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| 01:04.00 | luke-jr | Oksana: how is that relevant? |
| 01:04.09 | luke-jr | the 848x480 dimension is speaking of the camera.. |
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| 03:00.09 | Oksanaa | 848x480 about camera is not exactly relevant, true, but I am not sure where to find native resolution of N900. Resolution of Nokia's welcome video is probably relevant, and it seems to be 800x480 |
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| 05:57.39 | bencoh | Oksana: there is no hw decoding support for those video formats anyway, so dont expect it to play properly |
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| 07:34.01 | KotCzarny | bencoh: depends on decoder cpu requirements |
| 07:36.07 | bencoh | KotCzarny: do you seriously think you can live decode 480p theora on omap3@600MHz? |
| 07:36.20 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: NOTIFY_SOCKET=/run/systemd/notify systemd-notify "" |
| 07:36.29 | kerio | pid 1 stuck in a pause system call |
| 07:36.31 | kerio | as a user |
| 07:36.32 | bencoh | :] |
| 07:36.36 | bencoh | kerio: yay |
| 07:36.40 | kerio | QUALITY |
| 07:36.51 | KotCzarny | never tried, and tbh, im not using n900 as a video player anyway |
| 07:37.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, no? :-D |
| 07:39.07 | KotCzarny | code quality ftw |
| 07:39.20 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: apparently some folks need to try multiple times for that to break the system |
| 07:39.25 | kerio | yay for race conditions in pid 1 |
| 07:39.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 07:39.50 | KotCzarny | systemd is an inside job! |
| 07:40.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly GREAT: you can't even shut down the system anymore |
| 07:40.15 | kerio | yeah yeah pid 1 gets stuck |
| 07:40.27 | kerio | no changing runlevels or whatever systemd calls them |
| 07:40.51 | kerio | hell, no reaping child processes |
| 07:41.12 | kerio | every reparented process gets stuck in a zombie state once it closes |
| 07:41.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | the conclusions in that blog are however the more relevant part in that |
| 07:41.52 | kerio | idk if i necessarily like the `for (;;) wait()` pid 1 |
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| 07:42.05 | KotCzarny | how come this trash piece of shit got into stable releases |
| 07:42.09 | kerio | "stable" |
| 07:42.20 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: that init won't help you shut down the system for instance |
| 07:42.27 | KotCzarny | named stable, not being such ;) |
| 07:43.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Systemd's problems run far deeper than this one bug. Systemd is defective by design<< |
| 07:43.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>... The systemd developers understand none of this, opting to cram an enormous amount of unnecessary complexity into PID 1<< |
| 07:44.33 | KotCzarny | "Talking to systemd from a Web Browser." |
| 07:44.34 | KotCzarny | ehehe |
| 07:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>In particular, any code that accepts messages from untrustworthy sources like systemd-notify should run in a dedicated process as an unprivileged user.<< |
| 07:46.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>This is called privilege separation and has been a best practice in security-aware software for over a decade. Systemd, by contrast, does text parsing on messages from untrusted sources, in C, running as root in PID 1.<< |
| 07:46.34 | ceene | on the other hand |
| 07:46.37 | ceene | assert(n>0); |
| 07:46.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 07:46.46 | ceene | is assert something recommended to be left on production? |
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| 07:46.57 | ceene | If the macro NDEBUG was defined at the moment <assert.h> was last included, the macro assert() generates no code |
| 07:47.04 | ceene | The purpose of this macro is to help programmers find bugs in their programs. The message "assertion failed in file foo.c, function do_bar(), line 1287" is of no help at all to a user. |
| 07:47.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, of course every bug can get fixed. Except the bugs in foundation design |
| 07:47.31 | KotCzarny | its a pity that such mole got introduced on leading distros |
| 07:47.39 | ceene | no, I mean, is it considered a good thing to leave assert() on production code? |
| 07:47.43 | ceene | specially on pid 1... |
| 07:47.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | definitely no |
| 07:48.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | what do you do on an assert(), quit pid1? ;-P |
| 07:48.23 | ceene | that's what I meant |
| 07:48.27 | ceene | the whole codebase is filled with those |
| 07:48.33 | ceene | so any other case of failing an assert |
| 07:48.41 | ceene | will make the same thing happen |
| 07:48.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, poetterisms |
| 07:49.15 | ceene | so, it's a matter of spending a couple hours looking at all those assert |
| 07:49.21 | ceene | and thinking of possible ways of causing them |
| 07:49.28 | ceene | i'm sure there are more like that |
| 07:52.48 | ceene | so forgetting to change the umask (which has already happened twice) creates a file that works but is a potential security vulnerability. |
| 07:52.55 | ceene | that blog post is a gold mine |
| 07:58.20 | KotCzarny | im sad that trash is promoted, eh |
| 07:58.38 | KotCzarny | linux was doing great while it was sticking to 'do one thing, but do it perfect' |
| 07:59.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it is |
| 07:59.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 07:59.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | radioactive gold |
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| 08:48.07 | zGrr | what blog post? |
| 08:49.00 | KotCzarny | https://www.agwa.name/blog/post/how_to_crash_systemd_in_one_tweet |
| 08:49.01 | KotCzarny | this one |
| 08:49.16 | zGrr | thanks |
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| 08:57.39 | zGrr | yeah. good post |
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| 09:02.22 | antranigv | hi all! guys, any way to connect to Hangouts with maemo? |
| 09:02.35 | antranigv | I like xmpp, the pidgin client and the integrated client |
| 09:02.46 | antranigv | but a friend of mine needs hangouts to chat with me |
| 09:03.26 | ceene | the integrated client is apt for one 2 one hangouts conversations |
| 09:03.29 | ceene | it can't do groups, though |
| 09:04.31 | antranigv | it's ok, no need for groups |
| 09:05.00 | antranigv | what's `apt` ? o.O |
| 09:05.16 | ceene | apt |
| 09:05.16 | ceene | apt/ |
| 09:05.16 | ceene | adjective |
| 09:05.16 | ceene | adjective: apt; comparative adjective: apter; superlative adjective: aptest |
| 09:05.16 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.18 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.23 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:05.52 | ceene | from latin, aptus |
| 09:05.54 | ceene | in spanish, apto |
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| 09:20.11 | luke-jr | antranigv: Google is evil and uses non-standard protocols for Hangouts, so probably not. |
| 09:22.14 | antranigv | luke-jr: it did work with the default client, but not good, yes google sux, I hate that people uses 'em |
| 09:22.19 | bencoh | actually .... |
| 09:22.25 | bencoh | there is a libpurple plugin for hangout |
| 09:23.12 | bencoh | it needs a more recent glib-json though |
| 09:23.32 | luke-jr | antranigv: well, Google said a few years ago they were dropping support for XMPP |
| 09:24.10 | bencoh | which it turn needs a more recent glib, which conflicts with the ABI of maemo glib |
| 09:24.35 | KotCzarny | static compile? |
| 09:24.43 | bencoh | yikes |
| 09:24.52 | KotCzarny | sometimes you just want something to work |
| 09:24.55 | bencoh | static build of glib is .... *meh* |
| 09:25.15 | bencoh | KotCzarny: it prolly wouldn't work anyway |
| 09:25.21 | KotCzarny | fmg was fiddling with newer glib though |
| 09:25.21 | bencoh | since pidgin is using system glib |
| 09:25.30 | bencoh | KotCzarny: not new enough |
| 09:25.43 | bencoh | and plugin would embed its own symbols |
| 09:25.51 | KotCzarny | static compile for whole pidgin then? ;) |
| 09:26.07 | bencoh | I suspect it'd fail at load ... unless you play with symbol scope |
| 09:26.27 | bencoh | I seriously wouldn't want to do that with glib |
| 09:26.34 | KotCzarny | glib isnt that big |
| 09:26.39 | KotCzarny | gtk otoh.. |
| 09:26.49 | KotCzarny | and the rest of gnome libs |
| 09:27.14 | bencoh | go ahead, enjoy :) |
| 09:27.30 | bencoh | oh and ... it should build in extras as well ;) |
| 09:27.42 | KotCzarny | im porting oscp-remote.py to .c, so im busy atm ;) |
| 09:27.43 | bencoh | it'd have to, I mean. |
| 09:27.51 | bencoh | oh, that's actually good news |
| 09:28.50 | KotCzarny | most functions are 1:1, but some are handled better in python (better == less details to care for) |
| 09:28.58 | KotCzarny | s/less/fewer/ |
| 09:29.30 | bencoh | which basically means "I'll do stuff behind your back and it might change in the futur without further notice" |
| 09:30.56 | KotCzarny | well, those detailed things could change in futer versions too |
| 10:15.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ceene: or simply: |
| 10:15.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict apt |
| 10:15.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict 1 apt |
| 10:15.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict apt 1 |
| 10:16.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh! |
| 10:16.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict 2 apt |
| 10:16.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict 3 apt |
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| 10:24.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict 4 apt |
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| 20:31.02 | Oksanaa | Osso-mahjong might have a problem with graphics. I currently see only black background with white clock ticking and white " back " arrow in top right corner. No tiles, no background, no undo and redo buttons |
| 20:38.18 | sicelo | your memory/swap usage? |
| 20:39.33 | Maxdamantus | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.01 | Maxdamantus | wonders if he needs a new SD card (used as swap) |
| 20:40.06 | Oksanaa | How do I check it? And it's not like I have many windows open. 2 terminals, one webpage, and this channel |
| 20:41.44 | Oksanaa | And start-up was less than half an hour ago, after changing a battery, so " restart " would not necessarily be helpful. |
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| 20:42.59 | sicelo | Maxdamantus: that is annoying .. i've had it couple of times too .. doesn't seem to be swap, but something with the driver maybe? |
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| 20:54.06 | Maxdamantus | Dunno. I'll probably experiment later, since I'm at work atm |
| 20:55.25 | Maxdamantus | but the device seemed to freeze at some point other than the music playing through mpd, and after rebooting it continued to be laggy and have visual artifacts and produce that message. |
| 20:56.22 | Maxdamantus | after changing fstab to use a swap file on the eMMC and rebooting again, everything seems to be fine. |
| 20:57.09 | Maxdamantus | I've had a couple of SD cards stop working properly previously though. |
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| 21:03.40 | sicelo | interesting |
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