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| 02:35.20 | Vajb | Oksana: i have exactly same settings. I think they r default settings. Because i can't recall changing any. |
| 02:36.25 | Vajb | Are we going to have newer Irssi? I got notice from freenode so i suppose there is some problems with older versions. |
| 02:37.40 | Vajb | they are urging 08.20 and we have 08.17 |
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| 04:01.08 | sicelo | Vajb: what does the notice say? |
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| 04:15.26 | sicelo | Vajb: i wonder if the maintainer is still active .. i wouldn*'t mind maintainig it. anyway, there's a perl script they provided which should achieve the same benefits (and we can use scripts on n900) .f) |
| 04:24.02 | Oksana | Sure about perl scripts for irssi? I thought that N900's irssi had perl scripts disabled |
| 04:33.30 | sicelo | i compiled a perl version some time ago ... see tmo |
| 04:33.43 | Vajb | Oksana: they were disabled but sicelo fixed it |
| 04:35.18 | Vajb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.18 | Vajb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.38 | Vajb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.38 | Vajb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.39 | Vajb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.10 | Vajb | sicelo: ^ |
| 04:36.56 | sicelo | thanks. |
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| 05:28.31 | hexnewbie | So my Nokia N900 got stolen and I got it back. I want, without booting into it, to create an image of the MyDocs and rootfs, then possibly examine the contents, and possibly flash it. Is there a way to do this? The flasher can only write an image to the device, but not read one. |
| 05:34.53 | sicelo | ~bm |
| 05:34.54 | infobot | rumour has it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install |
| 05:35.17 | sicelo | hexnewbie: the above |
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| 05:36.06 | sicelo | i don't know why booting would be a problem by the way? |
| 05:38.21 | hexnewbie | Dunno, wanted to create a full image before doing any modifications (including booting). Also judging by the contents of the SD card, it may have been flashed with Android (don't know if that's possible) or something. |
| 05:40.16 | hexnewbie | I read the BackupMenu thread, but I got the idea I had to install in on the device, so I went on reading about rescueOS. Did I get it wrong? :) |
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| 05:52.05 | sicelo | i don't remember if rescueos can do ackups |
| 05:52.13 | sicelo | *backups |
| 05:52.31 | sicelo | booting shouldn't change anything imo |
| 05:56.41 | hexnewbie | Thanks. I will read more about both, and decide what to do here. (But yeah, I suspect booting may not change anything, but I prefer to be sure, and especially avoid installing things. I may be attempting to restore deleted files (conboy notes, possibly contacts) afterwards - which may be pointless, but whatever.) |
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| 06:02.10 | sicelo | hexnewbie: use rescueos, and export t the emmc via usb |
| 06:04.00 | hexnewbie | Thanks |
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| 09:40.18 | freemangordon | anyone interested in testing libglib2.0 from ubuntu 14.04 on maemo? It is needed so newer libgnutls to be available as well (and newer libsoup, so cutetube to work with newer youtube SSL requirements)? |
| 09:40.41 | KotCzarny | what needs to be done? |
| 09:40.58 | freemangordon | well, debian packaging for maemo |
| 09:41.35 | KotCzarny | so you just want to grab ubuntu pkg src and compile for maemo? |
| 09:41.48 | freemangordon | also, forward-porting a couple of maemo patches |
| 09:42.13 | freemangordon | I already did it, but compiled with ./cofigure, make etc |
| 09:42.26 | freemangordon | (grabbed ubuntu package that is) |
| 09:42.47 | freemangordon | but it has dependencies to 5 other packages, 3 of them non-existing in maemo |
| 09:43.10 | freemangordon | (ffi, nettle and gmp) |
| 09:43.30 | KotCzarny | http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/libglib2.0-0 |
| 09:43.32 | KotCzarny | this one? |
| 09:44.21 | freemangordon | I built all of those under SB, (winth configure and make) |
| 09:44.31 | freemangordon | oh, wait, it is not from ubuntu |
| 09:44.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:44.43 | freemangordon | glib2.0-2.33.12+really2.32.4 |
| 09:45.01 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: https://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/glib2.0 |
| 09:45.17 | freemangordon | that one |
| 09:45.42 | freemangordon | ok, so I built and tested on device with LD_PRELOAD and cutetube2 is able to play from youtube |
| 09:46.44 | freemangordon | building includes glib2.0-2.33.12+really2.32.4 glib-networking-2.32.3 gmp-5.1.3+dfsg gnutls26-2.12.23 libffi-3.0.10 libsoup2.4-2.38.1 nettle-2.7.1 |
| 09:47.12 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: but neither of those has working maemo packaging |
| 09:48.09 | freemangordon | also, libglib need https://github.com/community-ssu/glib/tree/master/debian/patches forward-ported (besides 40-gscanner.patch, which I already did) |
| 09:48.20 | freemangordon | :) |
| 09:50.10 | freemangordon | as CSSU seems to be no more, I can distribute through CSSU-thumb, once it is tested to not break something |
| 09:50.19 | KotCzarny | what? |
| 09:50.27 | KotCzarny | werent there recent cssu release? |
| 09:50.37 | KotCzarny | (around june) |
| 09:50.37 | freemangordon | were there? |
| 09:51.05 | freemangordon | yes, but merlin1991 is too busy and has no time, so we lack a maintainer |
| 09:51.36 | freemangordon | however, CSSU is another story |
| 09:52.14 | KotCzarny | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb |
| 09:52.24 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:52.37 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 09:52.41 | KotCzarny | 2014 vs 2016 |
| 09:53.27 | KotCzarny | though http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable is even more outdated |
| 09:53.43 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: wiki page lies ;) |
| 09:54.06 | KotCzarny | i know, but many people probably see that page |
| 09:54.06 | freemangordon | "10.10.2015 - 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11+thumb0" |
| 09:54.15 | freemangordon | see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829 |
| 09:55.43 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: cssu-thumb is more up-to-date as of now, it is based on the last cssu-testing out |
| 09:56.07 | freemangordon | which is "21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 (11.04.2015) " |
| 09:57.14 | freemangordon | anyway, I would like to get some help on packaging and testing newer libglib2.0 |
| 09:57.58 | freemangordon | I guess even the one from ubuntu 14.04 will compile without problems, I just took an older version to test with |
| 09:58.11 | zGrr | moin |
| 09:58.18 | freemangordon | hi! |
| 09:59.08 | KotCzarny | oh wow, so many unmet deps |
| 09:59.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:59.17 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 09:59.27 | freemangordon | see the list of libs ^^^ |
| 09:59.43 | KotCzarny | the worst ones would be related to build env debhelper/cdbs/dpkg-dev etc |
| 10:00.18 | freemangordon | or rather autofoo stuff, debian stuff would be easier |
| 10:00.36 | KotCzarny | i got in my devchroot: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 8.1.3) cdbs (>= 0.4.93) gnome-pkg-tools (>= 0.11) dpkg-dev (>= 1.16.0) libelf-dev libpcre3-dev (>= 8.11) desktop-file-utils gtk-doc-tools (>= 1.15) linux-libc-dev dbus-x11 shared-mime-info python-dbus python-gobject-2 libxml2-utils libffi-dev (>= 3.0.0) |
| 10:00.56 | freemangordon | those are not really needed for building |
| 10:01.23 | KotCzarny | yes, but requires to rewrite building scripts |
| 10:01.36 | KotCzarny | so they would work with older env |
| 10:01.40 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: do autoreconf in host OS |
| 10:01.58 | freemangordon | then configure script works in SB |
| 10:02.18 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: also, gcc4.2 fails to build gmp, IIRC |
| 10:02.23 | KotCzarny | i dont use host os utils, and im talking about debian specific scripts |
| 10:02.29 | freemangordon | you need SB thumb with gcc 4.7 :) |
| 10:02.40 | KotCzarny | [root@n900chr 10:00:54 /1/_src/debian/glib/glib2.0-2.33.12+really2.32.4]# dpkg -l|grep gmp |
| 10:02.41 | KotCzarny | ii libgmp3c2 2:4.3.2+dfsg-1ubuntu3 Multiprecision arithmetic librar |
| 10:02.42 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 10:03.37 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: yes, I know what you mean, the point is that you run autoreconf -v -f i in host OS, then run the produced configure script in SB. Without debian packaging ofc |
| 10:04.03 | KotCzarny | fmg: but point is to prepare packaging? |
| 10:04.21 | freemangordon | we can always use debian packaging from maemo libglib |
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| 10:04.34 | KotCzarny | i've tackled autofoo barfs in the past without problems |
| 10:05.22 | KotCzarny | we need debian-foo master |
| 10:05.25 | freemangordon | https://github.com/community-ssu/glib/tree/master/debian |
| 10:05.51 | freemangordon | with fixind build deps in debian/control ofc |
| 10:05.55 | freemangordon | *fixing |
| 10:06.22 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: gtg, be back in a couple of hours |
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| 10:43.15 | klydrar | i just received an n900 online, it won't connect or see any wireless networks, the only evidence it has a NIC is a mac address in the about section, how might i troubleshoot to see if it is hardware issue |
| 10:43.32 | KotCzarny | check dmesg too |
| 10:43.55 | KotCzarny | if you can pastebin dmesg |
| 10:44.03 | CatButts | someday, n900, someday |
| 10:46.52 | KotCzarny | klydrar: first thing to do with 2nd hand device would be flashing though |
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| 10:55.36 | klydrar | it would be easier if i could input a '>' with this keyboard :(, but I am seeing w11251: WARNING WLAN not ready, w11251: ERROR unsupported chip id: 0x0 |
| 10:56.22 | KotCzarny | either broken chip or bad firmware |
| 10:56.33 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 10:56.33 | infobot | [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing |
| 10:57.23 | klydrar | okay, so i've already done the fiasco and emmc flashing a few hours ago and result is same |
| 10:57.33 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 10:57.42 | klydrar | poor me, i hope the seller will send me one that works while i use this for basic text/calls ;c |
| 10:58.07 | KotCzarny | how much it was? |
| 10:58.26 | klydrar | i paid ~120 usd |
| 10:58.30 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 10:58.44 | KotCzarny | much. |
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| 10:59.31 | klydrar | where can i find one less? |
| 11:00.10 | KotCzarny | here they are quite cheaper, but i guess in usa they are rare |
| 11:01.24 | klydrar | physical keyboards on anything are very hard to find |
| 11:02.14 | KotCzarny | there are bt adapters |
| 11:02.39 | KotCzarny | if you have spare 1000usd you might be interested in neo900 |
| 11:03.03 | klydrar | i am interested in neo900, i was going to wait until they're available to order |
| 11:03.48 | Wizzup | so you are waiting for a possible 2nd run |
| 11:03.48 | klydrar | also, i wanted to hold an n900 to feel their inspiration, this phone is so comfortable |
| 11:04.29 | KotCzarny | wizzup: freenode disconnected you because ssl3? |
| 11:07.59 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: I upgraded irssi to .20 |
| 11:08.02 | Wizzup | and I tried /upgrade |
| 11:08.06 | Wizzup | but as always, that didn't work |
| 11:08.11 | Wizzup | so I had to /quit and start it again |
| 11:08.23 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: https://irssi.org/security/irssi_sa_2016.txt |
| 11:08.58 | Wizzup | I tried /reconnect after /upgrade, but still no workie |
| 11:08.59 | Wizzup | so yeah |
| 11:09.37 | klydrar | yeah i mean a neo900 is the optimal play, but i can handle dealing with the limited resources of n900 for now i'm thinking |
| 11:10.08 | KotCzarny | klydrar: it all depends on what is your use case |
| 11:10.46 | KotCzarny | it can phone/sms/mms, play media, do simple browsing, act like a linux box |
| 11:11.48 | klydrar | yeah, it's all i need really |
| 11:12.14 | klydrar | normally if i want something more i instead become content with having the basics |
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| 17:41.12 | freemangordon | Pali: ping |
| 17:41.24 | Pali | freemangordon: pong |
| 17:42.14 | freemangordon | Pali: hi! I am going to try to upgrade libglib2.0, however, it can't go in cssu, besides cssu-thumb (one of the dependencies won;t builg under gcc4.2) |
| 17:42.26 | Pali | ok |
| 17:42.50 | freemangordon | and in the light of the merlin1991 being busy, I wonder if we can focus on cssu-thumb only :) |
| 17:43.42 | KotCzarny | or make cssu-testing to build thumb too? |
| 17:44.07 | KotCzarny | which would result in one less tree to maintain |
| 17:44.28 | freemangordon | I know there is no cssu-thumb-testing, but I guess users will have to swallow the possibility of regressions |
| 17:44.48 | freemangordon | at least there will be something maintained |
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| 17:45.00 | KotCzarny | ie. when building cssu-testing would build cssu-testing-thumb in the same time |
| 17:45.10 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: won;t work |
| 17:45.23 | freemangordon | see my note ^^^ for gcc requirement |
| 17:46.36 | freemangordon | Pali: that way we can try to upgrade as much libs as possible to newer version as I feel most of the stuff will stop working sooner than later |
| 17:47.08 | freemangordon | esp security related |
| 17:47.31 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 17:47.40 | KotCzarny | maybe compile -testing with 4.7 too? |
| 17:47.47 | KotCzarny | shouldnt cause regressions |
| 17:47.59 | freemangordon | what is the point? |
| 17:48.37 | freemangordon | also it *causes* regression, some of the packages in -thumb have fixes because of gcc |
| 17:48.57 | KotCzarny | things applied to -thumb wont hurt -testing, but enhancements to -testing would automatically show in -thumb |
| 17:49.32 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: we don;t have maintainrship power to support -testing and -stable anymore, sorry |
| 17:49.50 | KotCzarny | fmg, thats why the fewer trees, the better |
| 17:50.10 | freemangordon | it is not the trees, but the releases |
| 17:50.27 | freemangordon | also, cssu build is not automated |
| 17:50.33 | KotCzarny | s/trees/releases/ |
| 17:50.44 | KotCzarny | eh, that came out wrong |
| 17:50.47 | freemangordon | so you don't just add a new target in the builder |
| 17:50.50 | KotCzarny | but you see what i meant |
| 17:51.46 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: it needs time I don;t currently have |
| 17:52.28 | freemangordon | Only I can do is to continue with cssu-thumb. |
| 17:52.33 | freemangordon | only |
| 17:53.00 | KotCzarny | uhum, to be honest, i wonder if going thumb only wouldnt be better |
| 17:53.07 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 17:53.10 | KotCzarny | its in the wild for quite some time |
| 17:53.20 | KotCzarny | and there are no reports of things exploding |
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| 18:38.44 | sixwheeledbeast | wasn't there a reason for not being thumb only? |
| 18:49.57 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: well, the only problem is that it needs thumb kernel, however this is a problem for a kind of LTS like CSSU |
| 18:51.03 | KotCzarny | backupmenu should detect situation when rootfs is thumb enabled and kernel is not |
| 18:51.23 | freemangordon | I guess this is problem of backupmenu, not cssu-thumb |
| 18:52.39 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: in the meantime, there are 2 packages in cssu-thumb glib needs - gmp and nettle :). I guess you can use those if you plan to play with newer glib |
| 18:53.25 | KotCzarny | maybe i should add cssu-thumb as a package source in my chroot too |
| 18:53.44 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: "your chroot"? |
| 18:54.27 | KotCzarny | yeah, i dont use scratchbox-on-x86, just 4core arm machine with a7 |
| 18:54.44 | freemangordon | oh, yes then |
| 18:55.05 | freemangordon | which compiler is that? |
| 18:55.18 | KotCzarny | um? |
| 18:55.24 | freemangordon | gccNNN? |
| 18:55.30 | freemangordon | NNN=? |
| 18:55.40 | KotCzarny | the ones available in sb repos and/or cssu |
| 18:55.57 | freemangordon | well, you'll need gcc472 then as well |
| 18:55.58 | KotCzarny | currently 4.2.1 |
| 18:56.03 | freemangordon | ~cssu-thumb |
| 18:56.04 | infobot | rumour has it, cssu-thumb is <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb |
| 18:56.15 | KotCzarny | but i switch them on the needs |
| 18:56.23 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_%28gcc4.7.2-linaro%29 |
| 18:56.37 | KotCzarny | but that toolchain is for x86 afair |
| 18:56.39 | freemangordon | this is for SB ofc, but I guess you'll manage to reuse it |
| 18:56.39 | KotCzarny | right? |
| 18:56.42 | freemangordon | yes |
| 18:56.44 | freemangordon | :( |
| 18:56.56 | KotCzarny | no worries, i had 4.7 somewhere i think |
| 18:57.01 | freemangordon | ok |
| 18:58.06 | KotCzarny | wouldnt mind having native 4.9 or higher in repos ;) |
| 18:58.58 | KotCzarny | [root@n900chr 18:58:49 /1/_src/gcc-5.3/bin]# ./gcc -v |
| 18:59.02 | KotCzarny | gcc version 5.3.0 (GCC) |
| 18:59.19 | freemangordon | should suffice :) |
| 18:59.32 | KotCzarny | compiling locally is not a problem, but having properly packaged one wouldnt be bad |
| 18:59.40 | KotCzarny | even for ondevice devel |
| 19:00.42 | freemangordon | yeah |
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