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05:57.19zGrrmoin :)
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07:27.34KotCzarnywiki.maemo.org uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate expired on 8 września 2016 16:16.
07:27.52KotCzarnywho is web admin?
07:31.04KotCzarnyxes, ^^^
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07:43.59xesKotCzarny: ok
07:59.34WizzupL29Ah: yeah, sorry, life been busy. let me note that and do it soon
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12:02.52xeshttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2470429/samsung-to-remotely-deactivate-galaxy-note-7-handsets-after-six-year-old-injured
12:03.53xesremotely deactivate.. great feature
12:07.32siceloyes, saw that yesterday .. backdoors
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12:25.18KotCzarny:)
12:25.29KotCzarnyits not a backdoor, its a feature
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12:52.41ceeneone does not know which of both features is worse... either the exploding phone or the remotely deactivated one
12:53.02ceenei guess the remotely exploding phone would be the funniest
12:53.03KotCzarnyboth are kinda destructive
12:53.08KotCzarny:)
12:53.12KotCzarnyyou think?
12:53.20ceenefor some meaning of "funniest", of course
12:56.28siceloi didn't follow the news too well .. the explision is battery, i suppose?
12:57.04siceloso if i'm tech savvy enough to open up the phone and change battery or whatever is neeeded, .. now have to deal with their remote-locking .. grr
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13:22.28L29Ahneo900 needs such a feature
13:23.10CatButtsyeah, remote self-destruction
13:28.59_maniac_jokes aside, I would love some way of remotely tracking my phone if it were stolen
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13:43.05sicelo_maniac_: smscon ..
13:43.23siceloyou can program anything you want for that
13:43.30siceloL29Ah, CatButts ^^
13:44.11L29Ahi don't have a sysfs entry for the battery explosion :(
14:23.53KotCzarnyhmm, can battery chip be misprogrammed to NOT to safeguard the charging?
14:24.12KotCzarnyie. is it possible to overcharge the battery?
14:25.04HurrianL29Ah: install kernel-cssu v666 to enable /sys/class/power_supply/battery/self_destruct ;)
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14:41.45siceloKotCzarny: likely not .. i think it's part of the design of that chip .. could be wrong however ..
15:03.16DocScrutinizer05((remotely deactivated one)) prety nice evidence why you do NOT want OTA updtae of modem firmware and a modem that has full DOM0 on your device
15:04.15DocScrutinizer05and no such feature in Neo900, by design
15:05.10HurrianDocScrutinizer05: another reason to steer well clear of Qualcomm phones
15:05.32DocScrutinizer05snapdragon, yes
15:06.20Hurrianthe alternative SoCs usually use HSI, which is pretty much chip-to-chip USB
15:08.21DocScrutinizer05hmm, dunno. Samsung Exynos is also modem-on-chip SoC
15:09.14Hurrianthey integrated the Shannon now?
15:09.26DocScrutinizer05thought so
15:09.54Hurrianmy Note 4 N910C has a ST-Ericsson Thor connected via HSI
15:10.24DocScrutinizer05the novathor used shared RAM
15:10.39DocScrutinizer05note4 used early Thor
15:11.05Hurrianwelp, looks like everyone's moving to the lazy option
15:11.15DocScrutinizer05cheaper option
15:11.42Hurriani don't blame them, bringup on HSI modems suuuuucks
15:11.58DocScrutinizer05and I know _for sure_ about Thor, I debugged the chip at ST-E
15:12.16DocScrutinizer05Radium, Thorium etc
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15:12.46DocScrutinizer05HSI sucked donkey balls on OMAP4
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15:13.08Hurriansure doesn't help that it's next to impossible to buy the non-modem version of chips
15:14.20DocScrutinizer05OMAP4 losing wake-IRQ from HSI - doooooom
15:15.09Hurrian:o
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15:15.39DocScrutinizer05and all customers bashed ST-E why the modem blows chunks after a while
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15:16.44DocScrutinizer05while with lots of tricking and icky soldering and waiting we finally could show modem asserted HSI IRQ but OMAP didn't ever service it
15:17.16Hurriandid you have to run out the traces for scoping on a customer board?
15:17.24DocScrutinizer05TI: WONTFIX for omap4
15:17.35DocScrutinizer05sort of, yes
15:18.22Hurriannot surprised at all from TI, they kinda gave up on chips shortly after OMAP4
15:18.46DocScrutinizer05workarround: modem wiggles HSI IRQ so eventually OMAP4 notices it
15:18.55xy2_is an n900 good? looking for a new phone
15:19.21DocScrutinizer05I bet you can find 50% of users in here say "best phone ever, still"
15:20.19DocScrutinizer05YMMV though, depends on your needs
15:20.23Hurrian...though tbh, it's not the N900's hardware that make it the best I've ever used, it's the software ;)
15:20.29xy2_just want an easily 'hackable' phone
15:20.40DocScrutinizer05yes, you found it
15:21.22DocScrutinizer05on maemo5 you can hack till you're blue in the face
15:22.31DocScrutinizer05many nice features other phones don't have or onöy provide in friggin apps are only a 3 or 4 lines of python code away on N900
15:22.53DocScrutinizer05~dbus-scripting
15:22.58DocScrutinizer05hmm
15:23.06DocScrutinizer05~phonecontrol
15:23.06infobotit has been said that phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
15:24.00DocScrutinizer05however what you won't find: any of those dang closed blob free social apps, like whatsapp
15:24.18DocScrutinizer05"free"
15:24.19xy2_don't care for that :P
15:24.48DocScrutinizer05good, you will be *amazed* how you survived on any other phone so long
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15:26.05xy2_alright, ty
15:26.50DocScrutinizer05jr@saturn:~> ssh root@t900
15:26.51DocScrutinizer05BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+0m5) built-in shell (ash)
15:26.53DocScrutinizer05Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.
15:26.54DocScrutinizer05t900:~# uptime
15:26.56DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
15:27.39DocScrutinizer05(MB I got properly set up PKI infra, so no password asked)
15:27.45DocScrutinizer05NB even
15:28.48_maniac_just curious, why PKI instead of simply having your ssh keys in agent (for purpose of not typing password when ssh'ing)
15:29.03DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/67210088
15:29.26DocScrutinizer05well, that's what I meant
15:29.38DocScrutinizer05sorry, caffeine deficit
15:33.42DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/30793864
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15:37.12DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/42351754
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15:54.53KotCzarnyxy2_: n900 is quite plain linux system
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16:21.24siceloKotCzarny: want to recommend best python tutorial that will scale well to N900 use? :)
16:21.44CatButtsperks ears
16:21.58CatButtswe have 3.4, yes?
16:22.22sicelowe seem to
16:22.29sicelodunno if anything uses it
16:22.29CatButtsdepends on watcha want to do, sicelo
16:22.54CatButtsdo you want to display crud on screen?
16:23.09CatButtsdo you need to use lotsa memory?
16:23.12siceloi meant .. if we already have applications using it .. just checked .. pastebinit does
16:23.17CatButtsdo you output sound?
16:24.59siceloi am not a dev at all .. want to learn. i think python is a simpler start for someone with limited time, no organized lessons ..
16:25.14siceloCatButts: ^
16:26.05CatButtswell, I make scripts for stuff I want done
16:26.23CatButtsmaybe I want to make a scraper for certain site
16:26.40CatButtsor maybe I make http uploader with usernames
16:26.49CatButtsor an IRC bot
16:27.13CatButtspersonally, I loathe tutorials
16:27.29CatButtsand just go do what I need done
16:27.38CatButtsbut you may be different mindset
16:27.55CatButtsin which case, I have no tut I can reccomend you
16:28.06CatButtsI literally google the functions I need
16:28.21KotCzarnysicelo: you can simply read /opt/oscp/bin/oscp-remote.py
16:28.36KotCzarnyit covers most of the things needed to write an app on n900
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16:29.15KotCzarnyfrom init, through popups, config, logic, etc
16:29.29sicelookay. will look at that. thanks :)
16:30.05KotCzarnyit might not be the prettiest, but most of python is self explaining anyway
16:30.22KotCzarnyand indentation is required by language itself
16:30.54KotCzarnyalso, you mean pygtk, because python dont know about ui toolkits
16:31.31KotCzarnyso for console apps python is enough, to display window and react to clicks, pygtk/pyqt is required
16:31.59sicelobetween pygtk/qt .. which one would you recommend the most?
16:32.37KotCzarnyi hate qt personally, but that's up to personal preference
16:33.15KotCzarny(most of the hate comes from the size and c++ affinity of qt)
16:33.45CatButtsI suppose my python pc console scripts will work out of the box with required dependencies installed
16:33.47KotCzarnyand incompatibilities between versions
16:34.02siceloi seem to have convinced myself years ago that there is more GTK than QT on N900 .. so pygtk does sound the better option
16:34.14sicelo(i could be wrong ..)
16:34.40KotCzarnyas i said, its personal preference, start with basics, then check what suits you better
16:35.28KotCzarnyif you look at .py programs, first function that executes is the __main__ at the bottom usually
16:35.35KotCzarny(or was it __init__)
16:35.52KotCzarnythen you can just trace the functions flow
16:36.09KotCzarnycreation/registeration of buttons and events etc
16:37.04siceloi have two ideas of applications (that will not be of use to anyone else however, lol) .. both will need sqlite integration, and one needs network too. guess i start with the one that doesn't
16:37.24KotCzarnyi think python has sqlite modules
16:37.47siceloyes, it does. tbh, i want to kick myself for not learning earlier
16:38.11KotCzarnyi know the pain (so many things i could've done in 2010 ;)
16:38.39KotCzarnybut im happy that i've done them anyway, even if it took me 6 years
16:39.56siceloi don't think it's naive to think that if i manage to get the applications the way i want them, they should run reasonably well on my linux pc as well?
16:40.16KotCzarnythere might be some minor glitches, but yes
16:41.00KotCzarnyyour might concern might be jump between python 2.7 to python 3.4 (and pygtk with similar major version jump)
16:41.29KotCzarnystill, oscp-remote.py works everywhere there is pygtk
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22:08.50WizzupL29Ah: didn't manage today, but i'm trying hard to get it done asap now
22:08.54Wizzup(re blog post
22:08.55Wizzup)
22:12.29L29Ah:*
22:14.00_maniac_Wizzup: would like to read too. my last try ended with every emerge hanging on install phase.
22:14.43WizzupI don't run portage from the n900, fwiw
22:16.15_maniac_I ran into some issues with crossdev, but that was awhile ago, and I didn't care enough since.
22:16.51Wizzupmy main work machine/laptop is also arm, so I just chroot
22:18.26_maniac_well, lucky you!
22:18.32_maniac_any chance of setting up binhost?
22:36.54Wizzup_maniac_: can do that
22:37.57_maniac_I can mirror/host it
22:39.04Wizzupthe problem is keeping it up to date
22:39.33WizzupI don't use the phone as much as I planned to do, yet, so I don't keep it up to date, and I don't want to build packages everytime someone requests something ;-)
22:40.06_maniac_I'll make another try at setting up arm building env later. now I need some sleep.
22:41.22Wizzup_maniac_: buy an arm device
22:41.25Wizzupthat's the easiest way to do it
22:41.40Wizzupget an Olimex OLinuXino LIME2, attach HDD over SATA, done
22:41.47Wizzupcosts you about 80 eur
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