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| 09:53.06 | KotCzarny | umkay, as expected 'telephony functions are disabled' |
| 09:53.26 | KotCzarny | and it booted with second screen |
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| 09:53.45 | KotCzarny | can i disable that 'telephony' popup somewhere? |
| 09:54.11 | KotCzarny | ~cssu |
| 09:54.12 | infobot | methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
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| 10:43.35 | KotCzarny | unkay. done. |
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| 11:29.36 | KotCzarny | hrm, seems that the lcd ribbon is damaged (but not the display--board ribbon) |
| 11:29.41 | KotCzarny | unreplace'able |
| 11:30.37 | KotCzarny | so, question remains, how to convince x server to start without display |
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| 12:56.15 | zGrr | moin :) |
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| 14:47.50 | _maniac_ | KotCzarny: I have n900 with display ribbon damaged too and was able to run X on it. I don't remember exact fb settings, will tell you in some 6 hours. |
| 14:49.19 | _maniac_ | I use that phone solely as a charging station for my main n900 battery ;) |
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| 15:34.41 | KotCzarny | _maniac_: that would be great!, also, would enable one to reappropriate n900 as a oscp headless server/player ;) |
| 15:34.53 | KotCzarny | (the one without modem/lcd) |
| 15:38.01 | _maniac_ | I am thinking of turning it into a youtube player connected to old CRT tv. |
| 15:38.47 | bencoh | right, I guess you wont notice the bad video quality and/or tearing there :D |
| 15:39.00 | bencoh | (actually you'll probably still notice the tearing, maybe even more) |
| 15:39.39 | _maniac_ | I have no idea, never tried tv-out on that thing. I bought trrs jack just last week. |
| 15:39.47 | KotCzarny | tvout works |
| 15:39.50 | bencoh | yeah, I meant cutetube's artifacts |
| 15:39.50 | KotCzarny | that's for sure |
| 15:40.04 | KotCzarny | but picture quality is.. well, crt like ;) |
| 15:40.05 | bencoh | _maniac_: how are you going to interact with the UI btw? |
| 15:40.32 | KotCzarny | maybe ts still work on his device |
| 15:40.53 | KotCzarny | then one could draw kb/buttons with marker on the screen ;) |
| 15:41.14 | bencoh | yeah but pointing on a TS with no display is ... uneasy |
| 15:41.46 | _maniac_ | ssh + vnc |
| 15:42.11 | _maniac_ | I want to make a clean install of maemo for a long time, but I will lose any connectivty to this device then. |
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| 15:49.38 | _maniac_ | iirc, all I did was set proper resolution and bit depth with fbset right before X server start in some init file |
| 15:51.44 | KotCzarny | _maniac_: check file dates in /etc |
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| 15:54.34 | _maniac_ | yeah that would work. but I didn't set up port forwarding to that device (and I even don't remember whether it is plugged in right now). |
| 15:54.57 | KotCzarny | dont have any ssh server at home? |
| 16:01.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just checked: you need to start up N900 with AV unplugged, you may plug in AV as soon as shaking hands audio starts. However I seem to recall when I had a broken flex cable on my N900 not even the AV output worked anymore |
| 16:03.07 | KotCzarny | av output worked, but was set to 1px height |
| 16:03.09 | KotCzarny | he he |
| 16:03.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | when flashing a new rootfs you're pretty much doomed when neither LCD nor AV out are working and you can't even log in via ssh, maybe not even create touch events from the digitizer |
| 16:03.52 | KotCzarny | _maniac_: if your method works, it would mean i can drive the tv with it, woo |
| 16:04.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | your only chance: create a custom fiasco image that already has the needed stuff installed and enabled |
| 16:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly have no faintest idea how a broken flex cable could impair the (basically unrelated) AV video output, but for me it did |
| 16:06.47 | _maniac_ | I was thinking of plugging working display from my phone and doing clean install |
| 16:07.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | that should work :-9 |
| 16:07.10 | _maniac_ | btw - that 1 pixel issue - that's what I was having and that's why I needed to set proper resolution with fbset |
| 16:07.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) even |
| 16:07.14 | KotCzarny | yes, that works |
| 16:07.20 | KotCzarny | (switching displays) |
| 16:07.27 | KotCzarny | because that's how i flashed mine |
| 16:08.02 | KotCzarny | _maniac_: but did it boot without av cable too? |
| 16:08.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm yeah, maybe something along video hardware init fails when the communication to LCD controller is broken, so it doesn't even try to config the video-out framebuffer correctly |
| 16:08.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I had a green flatline, either vertically or horizontally in the middle of the screen |
| 16:09.41 | _maniac_ | I don't have AV cable (yet). I am going to build one this evening (vaguely european tz) if I won't be too exhausted from arguing with my servers. |
| 16:09.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | would be damn interesting to read console log aka dmesg from a boot with broken/missing LCD |
| 16:10.32 | KotCzarny | doc, is n900's debug uart plain 3.3v or 5v ? |
| 16:10.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, building AV cable is simple, though not worth it when ready made ones cost 3 bucks |
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| 16:11.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | however when getting a ready made one watch out to get the variant with GND=sleeve |
| 16:11.30 | _maniac_ | but I (should) have spare RCA connectors and I already bought trrs jack |
| 16:11.41 | _maniac_ | s/have/have enough/ |
| 16:11.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | not the fuckedup AHS variant with GND=1st-ring from nottom |
| 16:11.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | bottom |
| 16:12.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 16:12.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | GND/sleeve = bottom of TRRS |
| 16:12.23 | _maniac_ | pinouts.ru is pretty helpful in that matter. that site and a multimeter. |
| 16:12.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Video = ring next to bottom |
| 16:12.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 16:14.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://pinoutsguide.com/CellularPhones-Nokia/se_im700_nokia_ca-75u_pinout.shtml |
| 16:14.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yet that's wrong: left and right swapped |
| 16:15.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | (I think) |
| 16:16.55 | _maniac_ | http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-Nokia/nokia_n95_tvout_pinout.shtml this one lists tip as left |
| 16:18.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is correct according to my keysight and a CA75 cable |
| 16:19.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | and my notion about what means white and red plug |
| 16:21.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | counting tip to sleeve: left:1 right:2 video/mic:3 GND:4 |
| 16:21.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | left=white, right=red, mic/video=yellow |
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| 16:38.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.omtp.org/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf |
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| 17:01.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.ebay.com/gds/Headset-standards-OMTP-or-CTIA-/10000000176335062/g.html is pretty good except they call GROUND "signaling" which is complete bullshit |
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| 18:08.11 | sicelo | silly question - how does one update the profile on maemo.org? (not tmo) |
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| 18:35.00 | KotCzarny | they are magically linked |
| 18:35.52 | KotCzarny | ie. it gets data from garage.maemo.org |
| 18:36.01 | KotCzarny | and other subsites |
| 18:39.00 | KotCzarny | User update FAILED |
| 18:39.08 | KotCzarny | hehe,but magic faild sometimes |
| 18:47.30 | stryngs | Howdy =) |
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| 18:51.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Preferences |
| 18:53.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, http://maemo.org/profile/edit/ maybe |
| 18:54.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: please check if you can access the latter! |
| 18:55.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't tell if it's maybe only available to admins (like me) |
| 18:55.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | during migration a lot went south with groups and permissions in midgard |
| 18:57.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/09/06/plasma-desktopxg2309.png |
| 19:01.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | note that still we have three separate systems (maemo, wiki.maemo, bugs.maemo) aside of talk.maemo which is even more separate |
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| 20:25.48 | sicelo | thanks DocScrutinizer05 http://maemo.org/profile/edit/ ... wonder why i don't see it linked anywhere :/ |
| 20:26.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's "linked" in that edit toolbar that hovers *anywhere* on your page... or not |
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| 20:32.30 | sicelo | http://picpaste.com/maemo.png |
| 20:32.45 | sicelo | i know i've edited it before |
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