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| 06:32.15 | sicelo | for python programs with a GUI, the options on N900 are pyqt, pygtk i believe. any other? |
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| 08:13.41 | CatButts | ~skype |
| 08:13.41 | infobot | [~skype] Skype is a free VoIP software and service using a closed client and propritary protocol. Only commercial channel drivers exist, with most solutions being complex, complicated, and hack-ish . Digium's SkypeForAsterisk (see ~SkypeForAsterisk) is a new solution that is a cleaner non-dependent option. |
| 08:14.01 | CatButts | ~SkypeForAsterisk |
| 08:14.01 | infobot | well, skypeforasterisk is a Digium-made channel driver that allows Asterisk to connect to the Skype network using a Skype-supported connection method. Unlike all other solutions it does not require X11, kernel modules, or a Windows machine. See http://www.digium.com/skype for details, or http://slashdot.org/story/11/05/24/2010222/Microsoft-Kills-Skype-For-Asterisk |
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| 12:20.58 | zGrr | moin :) |
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| 12:24.26 | zGrr | ;) |
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| 15:15.55 | alien2003 | Hey! I need a fresh and clean BakcupMenu image to reflash my N900 because my USB is broken. Can you help me with this? |
| 15:16.21 | KotCzarny | um, just flash? |
| 15:16.33 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 15:16.41 | KotCzarny | you require a dump |
| 15:17.07 | alien2003 | just /home and / backup which I can use with BackupMenu |
| 15:17.22 | KotCzarny | ive never used bm, so cant help there |
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| 16:33.53 | sixwheeledbeast | ~bm |
| 16:33.54 | infobot | backupmenu is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install |
| 16:35.36 | sixwheeledbeast | I recall someone posted some in that thread but NFC what version of bm they used and if it will work |
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| 17:24.42 | CatButts | !python |
| 17:24.44 | CatButts | ~python |
| 17:24.45 | infobot | i guess python is Available at http://www.python.org Python is an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented programming language. It is often compared to Tcl, Perl, Scheme or Java. |
| 17:24.59 | CatButts | I guess so too |
| 17:26.11 | CatButts | my quick googling leads me to believe 3.4 is latest available for maemo |
| 17:26.50 | sixwheeledbeast | ~pkg |
| 17:26.51 | infobot | i heard pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 17:27.52 | sixwheeledbeast | would appear so |
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| 17:29.18 | CatButts | some day, n900, someday |
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| 17:55.48 | CatButts | not too long ago, I've been told to find a 20-30USD deal for the N900 |
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| 17:56.15 | CatButts | I got a feeling that holds for USA and less for regions outside it |
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| 18:24.42 | KotCzarny | CatButts: might be me. there are plenty of n900s |
| 18:42.50 | sicelo | there are almost none this side, but when there are, usually between 60-70USD |
| 18:43.41 | sicelo | N9 between 40-60 |
| 18:44.05 | KotCzarny | he he |
| 18:44.15 | KotCzarny | says something about n900 vs n9;) |
| 18:46.43 | CatButts | eh |
| 18:46.51 | CatButts | bite the pillow, fork out the cash |
| 18:47.20 | KotCzarny | even right now, quite good condition n900 for ~22usd |
| 18:47.26 | KotCzarny | with shipping |
| 18:48.38 | bencoh | KotCzarny: where? |
| 18:48.52 | KotCzarny | on local classifieds site |
| 18:49.20 | bencoh | I guess n9* where really popular there, then |
| 18:49.39 | bencoh | because they're quite rare on the over side of europe |
| 18:49.41 | bencoh | other* |
| 18:49.55 | bencoh | were* |
| 18:50.07 | bencoh | wtf with my spelling oO |
| 18:50.30 | KotCzarny | yeah. nokia is mostly european phenomenon for weird devices |
| 18:51.03 | bencoh | KotCzarny: by "other side of europe" I meant western europe (say, france) |
| 18:51.39 | bencoh | KotCzarny: can we order on that "local site" from france? |
| 18:51.46 | KotCzarny | bencoh, more hackers in the north/east |
| 18:51.53 | bencoh | (and have the device delivered?) |
| 18:52.01 | bencoh | maybe |
| 18:52.03 | KotCzarny | bencoh, risky, and costly |
| 18:52.08 | bencoh | ah... |
| 18:52.15 | bencoh | why? |
| 18:52.23 | bencoh | and how costly? |
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| 18:52.53 | bencoh | I wouldn't care much about a $30 delivery if device costs as low as $22 |
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| 18:52.59 | KotCzarny | because eventual returns will be costly |
| 18:53.09 | KotCzarny | i might buy/send you few if you want |
| 18:53.10 | bencoh | eventual returns? |
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| 18:53.33 | KotCzarny | you know, i happened tobuy fake n9, but seller agreed to return money |
| 18:54.12 | KotCzarny | now if it required additional shipping, you would be 2x shipping broke |
| 18:54.15 | bencoh | hmm well that might be an option .... I wouldn't mind having a second n900 |
| 18:54.52 | KotCzarny | let me check shipping to .fr |
| 18:55.02 | bencoh | that'd eventually allow me to tinker with kernel and "core" libraries |
| 18:55.27 | CatButts | I'm not too eager ordering stuff from abroad to Romania |
| 18:55.36 | CatButts | *eager about |
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| 18:57.36 | bencoh | CatButts: well in that case it'd stay in europe |
| 18:57.42 | KotCzarny | hmm, ~8 for a 'letter' and ~20 for a package |
| 18:58.06 | bencoh | and if KotCzarny can receive/check it, then there's no real issue :) |
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| 18:58.38 | bencoh | (the fact is I no longer live in europe anymore, but I still know a few people that could collect it in paris :D) |
| 18:59.18 | bencoh | KotCzarny: might be worth it then, if you come across a fully working unit |
| 18:59.50 | KotCzarny | it was with 'broken memory card/camera' so i suspect its just missing magnet |
| 18:59.56 | bencoh | hmm |
| 19:00.45 | KotCzarny | and new back cover is ~2usd |
| 19:00.50 | bencoh | you received one with a missing camera once, right? |
| 19:00.55 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 19:01.16 | KotCzarny | but someone in #maemo had one with broken back sensor |
| 19:01.19 | bencoh | which means roughly $24+20e for a working n900? |
| 19:01.21 | bencoh | ah |
| 19:02.25 | KotCzarny | and of course new battery, but that's obvious for almost any device, even 'brand new unopened' |
| 19:02.49 | KotCzarny | though for development even weak battery will do |
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| 19:04.35 | bencoh | yeah |
| 19:33.46 | KotCzarny | k, the one for 80pln is gone already |
| 19:38.45 | bencoh | ah |
| 19:39.12 | KotCzarny | asking another seller for the one for 15usd what damage it has |
| 19:39.30 | bencoh | thx :) |
| 19:42.05 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51! |
| 19:42.12 | kerio | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Systemd-Mount |
| 19:42.20 | kerio | it's happening! |
| 19:42.41 | KotCzarny | buahaha |
| 19:43.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | huh? |
| 19:43.35 | bencoh | kerio: it's actually a wrapper :) |
| 19:43.36 | bencoh | but yeah |
| 19:44.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | oooh systemd-mount |
| 19:45.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | fsck systemd |
| 19:45.43 | kerio | yes fsck is part of systemd-mount |
| 19:45.56 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:45.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | thought as much |
| 19:46.15 | KotCzarny | systemd - "removing gnu from linux/gnu" |
| 19:46.42 | KotCzarny | and a bit further away: systemd - "removing linux from linux/systemd" |
| 19:47.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | honestly, I wonder which part of poettering's brain is damaged for the feeble rest to come up with this systemd abomination ruining a complete OS |
| 19:47.43 | KotCzarny | doc: moneymoneymoney |
| 19:47.45 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: who's more foolish |
| 19:47.59 | kerio | the fool, or the people who follow him? |
| 19:48.37 | KotCzarny | kerio, thebest part is people saying 'if systemd is so bad, why all major distributions rolled with systemd" |
| 19:48.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | 'fool' is the completely wrong term. Evel or sinister is more to the point |
| 19:49.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | evil even |
| 19:50.04 | CatButts | looks at mikmod with spite |
| 19:50.31 | KotCzarny | catbutts: if you want playback use my player |
| 19:50.50 | CatButts | that's not the point of the mention :p |
| 19:51.13 | KotCzarny | CatButts: just saying :P |
| 19:51.28 | CatButts | I'll have to get an N900 first |
| 19:51.37 | KotCzarny | it works on x86/arm too |
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| 19:51.58 | CatButts | already have tools in place for that |
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| 20:06.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHRRRRGHAAAAAAARRGGHHHH!!! >> "instead of executing the mount operation directly and immediately, systemd-mount schedules it through the service manager job queue, so that it may pull in further dependencies (such as parent mounts, or a file system checker to execute a priori), and may make use of the auto-mounting logic." << |
| 20:06.40 | Antiguan | Under SEH Team |
| 20:12.52 | Wizzup | Focus on the good things. There are still decent distros that don't/will-never depend on systemd |
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| 20:46.43 | Antiguan | Under SEH Team |
| 20:51.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is SEH Team? |
| 20:56.15 | CatButts | Under butt theme |
| 20:56.25 | CatButts | rolls on his butt |
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| 22:48.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | one battery (thumb down one) I found in http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/N900_40_4*10_unboxing/box1with10/images.html was pretty 0.000 Volt (62.5kOhm, FWIW). Charging a completely flat battery with N900 is intriguing every single time: first 10s bright yellow, then 18s slightly darker yellow, then a NOKIA screen without backlight for a maybe 10s, during which switch to "fast" yellow breathing, then 2s jumping dorts and then dark screen and |
| 22:49.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | slightly slower yellow breathing |
| 22:50.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, all the time ~0.45A from Nokia charger |
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| 22:55.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe not _all_ the time. I suspect the bright to slightly dimmer steady yellow 10s after plugin was when low-current precharge ended and regular (high current) emergency charging started. Sorry I was too focused on LED and screen to look at the ampere meter at that point in time |
| 22:57.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll have to repeat that test with my 4chan scope attached to 1) USB current 2) batt voltage 3) a photodiode sensing LED brightness 4) a capacitive or inductive sensor probing emission from LCD display |
| 22:58.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | alternatively make 4) one of D+ D-, or even bootconsole UART |
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| 23:20.24 | bencoh | pfff dependency hell |
| 23:20.56 | bencoh | purple-hangouts needs a newer version of json-glib which in turns needs a more recent glib (>= 2.26) |
| 23:21.00 | bencoh | this sucks. |
| 23:22.07 | bencoh | (json-glib also needs a newer build env, but ....) |
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