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05:45.51Vajbthis summer i paid 46€ for n900 which is in very good condition. Came with box too.
05:47.13Vajband about breaking stuff. There was webpage or yt series where they tested will various items blend. I recall seeing ipad blend.
05:47.35DocScrutinizer05will it blend?
05:48.30DocScrutinizer05http://www.willitblend.com/
05:50.10Vajbyes that's it!
05:50.41Vajbmaybe they have n900 as well.
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07:29.26enycVajb: what sacriledge!
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13:04.00felanggaHello
13:04.09felanggaFrom indo
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13:11.21felanggahello
13:12.06felanggahow can i contribute to this community
13:14.43sixwheeledbeastcontribute?
13:15.29felanggais this maemo project dead already
13:15.34felangga?
13:16.29felanggaI'm new user of maemo
13:16.51KotCzarnyare you a programmer?
13:17.40felanggayes, android programmer
13:18.08felanggabut I never touch qt before
13:18.34felanggaor anything related with maemo programming
13:18.57KotCzarnyconsider maemo as classical linux with bits of system integration on top
13:19.28KotCzarnyyou are not stuck on any particular framework
13:19.35KotCzarnyor language, that is
13:19.44felanggaoh, i see
13:20.10felanggabtw is maemo still developed by community?
13:20.32KotCzarnydefine 'developed'
13:23.17felanggaI mean, is there still any update or support by the community?
13:23.25KotCzarnyyup
13:23.37felanggalike new features  maybe, or fixing  bugs
13:23.41KotCzarnybut, i assume you bought it second hand and didnt flash yet
13:23.43KotCzarny~flashing
13:23.43infobotextra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing
13:24.11KotCzarnyTHEN you should update repos (nokia's ones are dead, but there are mirrors)
13:24.14KotCzarny~maemo-repos
13:24.14infobotextra, extra, read all about it, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
13:24.23KotCzarnyTHEN you can install community updates:
13:24.28KotCzarny~cssu
13:24.28infobotwell, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
13:24.38felanggayes, I'm buying it second hand
13:25.01felanggaI'm running on cssu tester
13:26.21felanggaversion 21
13:27.10KotCzarnysome n900's heroes work on getting mainline kernel working, which would unlock ability to update glibc and other system libs to newer versions, but for now you are mostly stuck with stock+cssu
13:28.14KotCzarnyunless you dont mind losing some functionality, then with a bit of hacking there is a possibility to run other linux distros
13:28.33felangga21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 is it the latest version?
13:29.13felanggahmm well
13:31.14felanggawhy they can't unlock that? is it open sorce right?
13:31.24KotCzarnykernel has blobs
13:31.45KotCzarnywhich means those blobs have to get reverse engineered and drivers have to be rewritten
13:31.45felanggawhat is that
13:31.58KotCzarnyblob == binary without the source available
13:32.08felanggaoohh I see
13:32.32felanggadid nokia not share the code ?
13:32.56KotCzarnyapparently not, there are software blobs too
13:34.50felanggabtw, is there any social media apps that still active on maemo?
13:35.13felanggafsacebook,twitter,etc
13:35.24KotCzarnyim not a social media person, so you will have to wait 'till someone else shows up
13:37.46felanggaohh okay, what apps do you use for communication?
13:38.12felanggawhatsapp like or telegram like for maemo?
13:38.24KotCzarnyssh
13:38.39KotCzarnythen screen -rd with my irc/im sessions
13:39.38felanggawkwkwk well I love that
13:43.41bencohfelangga: welcome to maemo :)
13:44.18bencohwe no longer have whatsapp (because whatsapp is banning phone numbers of 3rd-party apps)
13:44.34felangga@bencoh hello, I'm still newbie
13:44.40felanggahehehe
13:44.41bencohI think we still have a working twitter (tweetian)
13:44.48bencohas for facebook .... I dunno
13:45.38felanggalast time I installing twimgo, but it not working
13:45.52bencohthen you should definitely try tweetian
13:46.02felanggawait, i will try tweetian
13:46.35felanggahmm.. which repo do you use
13:46.56felanggai cannot find any in my app manager
13:47.10felanggaf
13:47.16KotCzarnyextras or extras-devel
13:47.28KotCzarnybut dont keep extras-devel enabled after installing
13:47.41bencohor using apt pinning
13:48.57felanggawait, updating catalogue
13:50.18felanggabencoh: what command is that
13:50.41bencoha few lines of conf for apt
13:53.00bencohapt being part of the (dpkg) package management system used in maemo, inherited from debian
13:53.34felanggaalready added extras and extras-devel but still cannot find the packages
13:53.57felanggahttp://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/
13:53.58bencohah errr, tweetian has never been included in extras for maemo I think
13:54.11felanggaoohh
13:54.21felanggalet me google that first
13:54.22bencohthere is a post in talk.maemo.org with all needed info
13:54.35KotCzarnybencoh, so its debian app not related to maemo?
13:54.45bencohKotCzarny: what, tweetian?
13:54.54bencohit was first released for harmattan
13:54.57felanggaoh crab, my keyboard keys is falling down
13:55.00felanggawkwkwk
13:55.03KotCzarnyuhum
13:55.36felanggalet me find some glue first
13:55.39felanggawkwkwkwk
13:55.47KotCzarnyo.O
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13:56.03KotCzarnyor just grab any broken n900 and replace them?
13:56.59felanggahaha, in my country, this device is so hard to find
13:58.24KotCzarnyabout 5usd here
13:58.26KotCzarny:)
13:58.42KotCzarnyapparently there was a truckload of users that loved it
13:59.04sixwheeledbeastfelangga: hi, there are lots of projects for Maemo. If you are more into developing applications then the sdk is a good start
14:00.40sixwheeledbeast~sdk
14:00.40infoboti guess sdk is http://privatepaste.com/e4a5b13fad or "wget http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt"
14:00.52sixwheeledbeast~pkg
14:00.52infobotpkg is, like, http://maemo.org/packages/
14:01.23sixwheeledbeastthe wiki is a world of knowledge if you need
14:01.33KotCzarnyand talk.maemo.org forum
14:01.40bencohhmm, this .txt returns 404
14:01.40sixwheeledbeast~tmo
14:01.41infobotwell, tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen.
14:02.22KotCzarnyinfobot: #maemo tmo is http://talk.maemo.org
14:02.22infobotokay, KotCzarny
14:02.25KotCzarny~tmo
14:02.26infobottmo is probably http://talk.maemo.org
14:02.39KotCzarny~wmo
14:02.39infobotextra, extra, read all about it, wmo is wiki.maemo.org
14:03.14KotCzarnyinfobot: no, wmo is http://wiki.maemo.org
14:03.14infobotokay, KotCzarny
14:03.17KotCzarny~wmo
14:03.17infobotwell, wmo is wiki.maemo.org
14:03.21KotCzarnymeh.
14:03.33KotCzarnyinfobot: no, #maemo wmo is http://wiki.maemo.org
14:03.33infobotokay, KotCzarny
14:03.36KotCzarny~wmo
14:03.36infobotwmo is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org
14:05.55felanggaKotCzarny: what only 5usd? i buy this device for 100usd
14:06.11sixwheeledbeasthmm I wonder where the sdk image is located now a days
14:06.22KotCzarnyfelangga: local ads, people dismantle used/broken phones for parts
14:06.26KotCzarnyand kb is ~5usd
14:06.33felanggaAnd for the parts cost 30usd
14:06.43sixwheeledbeast~sb
14:06.44infobotfrom memory, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB
14:06.55KotCzarny~sdkvm
14:07.01KotCzarny~vmsdk
14:07.10KotCzarny~listkeys sdk
14:07.16sixwheeledbeastit's there ~sb
14:07.25felanggasixwheeledbeast: hello, yes I will start with the SDK
14:07.30KotCzarny~maemosdk
14:07.30infobotextra, extra, read all about it, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation
14:07.40KotCzarnyhrm, might not be it
14:08.37sixwheeledbeastI suggest before you start writing from scratch you check out the available packages
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15:31.12DocScrutinizer05and I suggest before you go berserk on redefining factoids, you first check if they maybe are already there or named different than what you think they are. :-/
15:32.58DocScrutinizer05what do you think you did there? :
15:33.00DocScrutinizer05[2016-08-28 Sun 16:03:14] <KotCzarny> infobot: no, wmo is http://wiki.maemo.org
15:33.01DocScrutinizer05[2016-08-28 Sun 16:03:14] <infobot> okay, KotCzarny
15:33.03DocScrutinizer05[2016-08-28 Sun 16:03:16] <KotCzarny> ~wmo
15:33.04DocScrutinizer05[2016-08-28 Sun 16:03:17] <infobot> well, wmo is wiki.maemo.org
15:33.06DocScrutinizer05[2016-08-28 Sun 16:03:21] <KotCzarny> meh.
15:33.28DocScrutinizer05right, you redefined a factoid you didn't even know if it exists or what it been
15:36.39DocScrutinizer05particularly since you know listkey you also should know and use listvalues
15:36.52DocScrutinizer05~listvalues http://wiki.maemo.org
15:37.46DocScrutinizer05~listvalues ^http://wiki.maemo.org$
15:38.16DocScrutinizer05then use literal too!
15:38.21DocScrutinizer05literal wmo
15:38.24DocScrutinizer05~literal wmo
15:38.24infobot"#maemo wmo" is "http://wiki.maemo.org"
15:39.15DocScrutinizer05~factinfo #maemo wmo
15:39.15infobot#maemo wmo -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Fri May  3 22:13:04 2013 (1212 days); last modified 1h 35m 42s ago  by KotCzarny!ariel@31.135.195.151; it has been requested 4 times, last by KotCzarny, 1h 35m 39s ago.
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16:34.00DocScrutinizer05~tmo
16:34.00infobotsee tmo
16:36.36DocScrutinizer05~tmo
16:36.36infobottmo is probably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen.
16:37.03sicelo~sicelo
16:37.20DocScrutinizer05this is special, you even ma< 'lock' it
16:37.25DocScrutinizer05may*
16:37.35sicelo~oscp
16:37.35infobotrumour has it, oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590
16:39.29DocScrutinizer05sicelo: syntax:
16:39.34DocScrutinizer05~+help lpck
16:39.38DocScrutinizer05~+help lock
16:40.51DocScrutinizer05~factinfo DocScrutinizer
16:40.51infobotdocscrutinizer -- created by DocScrutinizer <n=jr-N810@p5493F5D9.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Oct 23 11:54:37 2008 (2866 days); it has been requested 90 times, last by DocScrutinizer05 at Thu Aug 18 15:44:23 2016; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer.
16:42.13sicelo€DocScrutinizer
16:42.28DocScrutinizer05UTF-8 galore?
16:43.28sicelo~DocScrutinizer
16:43.28infobothmm... docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko
16:44.23sicelomy key bindings on N900 led to that utf8 thing
16:45.32DocScrutinizer05:-)
16:46.11DocScrutinizer05watch out, infobot is very stupid ->
16:46.13DocScrutinizer05[2016-08-28 Sun 18:44:58] <DocScrutinizer05> no, docscrutinizer is Jörg (signature: 'jOERG'), a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko
16:46.15DocScrutinizer05[2016-08-28 Sun 18:44:59] <infobot> i'm not going to learn illegal characters
16:46.37DocScrutinizer05~DocScrutinizer
16:46.38infobotmethinks docscrutinizer is Joerg (signature: 'jOERG'), a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko
16:50.26DocScrutinizer05~DocScrutinizer
16:50.26infobotrumour has it, docscrutinizer is Joerg (signature: 'jOERG'), a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko. See ~joerg and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:JOERG
16:52.02DocScrutinizer05~factinfo DocScrutinizer
16:52.02infobotdocscrutinizer -- created by DocScrutinizer <n=jr-N810@p5493F5D9.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Oct 23 11:54:37 2008 (2866 days); last modified 39s ago  by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 94 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 22s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer.
16:52.22DocScrutinizer05~factinfo joerg
16:52.22infobotjoerg -- created by jOERG <n=jr-N810@p5493F5D9.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Oct 23 12:00:02 2008 (2866 days); last modified at Fri Oct  3 21:44:08 2014 by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 84 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 3m 14s ago; it has been locked by jOERG.
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19:33.47fishbulbI am wondering if it's possible to send texts using a linux computer as the interface
19:34.20fishbulbinstead of the very small keyboard of the n900
19:35.14fishbulbbasically commanding the phone with the keyboard and potentially screen of a laptop. how would one do this?
19:36.16sicelovnc is one way
19:36.39sicelothere's also a cli sms tool somewhere
19:37.45fishbulbcould you tell me how to vnc into the maemo device?
19:38.44siceloinstall vnc server? like on any linux computer
19:41.27fishbulbwhich is a good vnc software?
19:55.31sixwheeledbeasttightvnc
19:57.59bencohI'd tend to think ssh would be enough for sms ;0
19:58.00bencoh;)
19:58.11sixwheeledbeastI would use ssh myself
19:58.18sixwheeledbeast:snap:
19:58.25sixwheeledbeast~phonecontrol
19:58.25infobotrumour has it, phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
20:02.13bencohyou probably want smssend for that
20:02.37bencohI wonder if there is a cli replacement for Conversation / sms UI
20:02.54bencoh(I doubt it, but that'd be great)
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20:07.24fishbulbit says telepathy is the recommended one
20:08.29fishbulbempathy for gnome apparently supports this
20:08.39fishbulbI think I need to switch back to KDE
20:23.00bencohI dont really think it only uses telepathy as a backend
20:23.09bencohI suspect there's another glue there
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20:24.24fishbulbok
20:24.50fishbulbso would usb networking be how you'd connect?
20:27.59bencohyeah
20:29.53fishbulbI don't use that either
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