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| 06:38.49 | juiceme | The list spew out old automailer messages for all the peol |
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| 15:52.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | BTC mining for BTC dummies anybody to help me out? |
| 15:57.29 | buZz | why |
| 15:57.33 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: i mean |
| 15:57.37 | buZz | what do you wanna know |
| 15:57.45 | buZz | its quite a wide subject :P |
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| 15:57.48 | buZz | but i know all, AMA |
| 15:58.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah. I got an Avalon3 Nano here and try to make sense of it. TOTAL BTX noob |
| 15:58.14 | buZz | snugs up to DocScrutinizer05 |
| 15:58.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | never used BTC |
| 15:58.37 | buZz | man |
| 15:58.48 | buZz | to be fair, thats pretty much a waste of time |
| 15:58.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 15:58.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 15:59.02 | CatButts | and electricity |
| 15:59.03 | buZz | 6 months after a ASIC gets released, its practically worthless :P |
| 15:59.07 | buZz | it can be used, sure |
| 15:59.23 | buZz | its the fastest devaluating electronics in the world |
| 15:59.36 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: this seems kinda verbose; https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon_nano |
| 16:00.15 | buZz | you want cgminer or bfgminer, grab a upstream version, enable right configure flags for avalon (i guess --enable-avalon , not sure) and run it |
| 16:00.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I try to use that, and get a "page not available" on https://ozcoin.net/ - I gather I'd need an account first |
| 16:00.26 | buZz | i mine on https://www.nicehash.com/ |
| 16:00.40 | buZz | just make a bitcoin address in your wallet, it is now your username |
| 16:00.43 | buZz | password can be 'x' |
| 16:01.07 | buZz | host stratum+tcp://sha256.eu.nicehash.com:3334 |
| 16:01.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, >>just make a bitcoin address in your wallet, it is now your username<< is already above my head |
| 16:01.25 | buZz | ok, do you have a wallet ? :D |
| 16:01.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 16:01.34 | bencoh | useful during winter or if you get power for free, but... |
| 16:01.53 | buZz | bencoh: i have flatfee power ;) mining is about 40% of my monthly income |
| 16:01.55 | buZz | its been gud |
| 16:02.12 | bencoh | oh, flatfee is nice in that case :) |
| 16:04.26 | buZz | :) |
| 16:04.35 | buZz | i can pay rent + food just from btc |
| 16:04.43 | buZz | all my wages are just disposable income now |
| 16:04.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | to start with, http://paste.opensuse.org/34810795 gives me a /dev/tty1 (and tty10?) but no ttyACMx |
| 16:05.28 | buZz | i think thats fine DocScrutinizer05 |
| 16:05.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | bfgminer -S ICA:/dev/tty1 -o stratum+tcp://sha256.eu.nicehash.com:3334 -O mikeqin.avalon:1234 --set-device ICA:baud=115200 --set-device ICA:reopen=timeout --set-device ICA:work_division=1 --set-device ICA:fpga_count=1 --set-device ICA:probe_timeout=100 --set-device ICA:timing=0.22 --api-listen |
| 16:05.48 | buZz | not all of em are serial devices it seems , this is a USB HID interface, wont give you a /dev/ttysumting |
| 16:05.57 | buZz | hmm |
| 16:06.05 | buZz | modprobe usbserial ? :D |
| 16:06.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pretty sure -O mikeqin.avalon:1234 won't fly |
| 16:07.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | saturn:/sys/bus/usb-serial/devices/ttyUSB0 # lsmod|grep usbserial |
| 16:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | usbserial 44819 1 pl2303 |
| 16:07.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is a USB->tty adapter cable for my UPS |
| 16:08.29 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: this ; https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon_nano#Hardware_version_2.0 |
| 16:08.35 | buZz | you have version 2.0 which is HID |
| 16:08.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 16:08.58 | buZz | waw , chrome based miner :D |
| 16:09.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | so...? wheres TFM? |
| 16:09.28 | buZz | TFM? |
| 16:09.31 | buZz | whats TFM |
| 16:09.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | RTFM |
| 16:09.36 | buZz | oh |
| 16:09.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah you already provided the link, eh? |
| 16:09.58 | buZz | seems to only work in cgminer |
| 16:10.08 | buZz | yes |
| 16:10.08 | buZz | :D |
| 16:10.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* now I wasted an hour to get that other dang miner |
| 16:14.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> Software installation Installation was successful<< http://software.opensuse.org/package/cgminer |
| 16:16.03 | buZz | ooo magic |
| 16:16.13 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: and luke-jr is one of devs of bfgminer aswell :P |
| 16:16.19 | buZz | he -isnt- of cgminer |
| 16:16.23 | buZz | ahwell |
| 16:16.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | cgminer has same truckload of parameters, just all different ones :-/ |
| 16:17.04 | buZz | yeh |
| 16:17.10 | buZz | anyway, you totally need a bitcoin wallet now |
| 16:17.17 | fishbulb | has anyone got PAN to work |
| 16:17.19 | buZz | make one, post me address, i'll send ya a euro |
| 16:17.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I first need to talk to that USB dongle |
| 16:17.29 | buZz | k k |
| 16:17.35 | buZz | keep at it then |
| 16:17.47 | buZz | i've just given you economic incentive though ;) |
| 16:17.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | want to see it work, then maybe wallet |
| 16:18.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | how would I make a wallet? |
| 16:19.33 | buZz | there's about 2983749283 ways :P |
| 16:19.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the problem |
| 16:19.44 | buZz | the 'most normal default' includes running a node |
| 16:19.55 | buZz | which requires you to sync full blockchain (about 82GB now iirc) |
| 16:19.59 | buZz | but, there are others |
| 16:20.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | 82GB download sounds like a PITA |
| 16:20.35 | buZz | hehe |
| 16:20.44 | buZz | yeah if only it was a -single- 82GB download |
| 16:20.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly even on my server with the Gb backbone |
| 16:20.50 | buZz | that would be sorta ok-able |
| 16:20.52 | buZz | :P |
| 16:21.00 | buZz | its all in 1MB parts, from all different sources |
| 16:21.01 | buZz | anyway |
| 16:21.04 | buZz | seeing you wanna avoid that |
| 16:21.10 | buZz | grab this tool ; https://multibit.org/ |
| 16:21.21 | buZz | once you start it, thats it, you have a wallet |
| 16:21.42 | buZz | it generates your first address, and you can generate infinite (well 2^256, still a lot) more addresses |
| 16:22.16 | buZz | it does need to sync a bit, but its like 100MB total i think |
| 16:22.20 | buZz | or maybe less.. |
| 16:23.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, will try it |
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| 16:33.07 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: all the luck? |
| 16:34.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | takes a while to create a new user for it |
| 16:36.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/24/plasma-desktopFU2277.png |
| 16:47.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/24/plasma-desktopag2277.png |
| 16:48.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<buZz> make one, post me address)) how? |
| 16:50.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | 15z94ExNwDumtQgY9BWmudC4dwULfGHYDM (this is one of your addresses) <-this one? |
| 16:51.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: ^^^^ |
| 16:54.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, I have a wallet now and dunno what to do with it ;-P |
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| 16:57.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NÇxau_ÇToma |
| 16:59.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>... unaware of the value of paper money, allowing (according to legend) his first earnings for The Gods Must Be Crazy to literally blow away in the wind<< |
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| 17:05.30 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: receive buttcoins |
| 17:05.34 | kerio | convert buttcoins into fiat |
| 17:06.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know anybody to receive btc from |
| 17:07.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | heck I wouldn't even know how |
| 17:08.10 | kerio | give people your address |
| 17:08.14 | kerio | and a reason to send you money |
| 17:08.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | how do I know my address? |
| 17:09.08 | kerio | you generate one in the wallet i think |
| 17:09.10 | kerio | i dunno |
| 17:09.11 | kerio | it's confusing |
| 17:09.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think above might be "one of [my] addresses" |
| 17:09.26 | kerio | so there you go |
| 17:09.28 | kerio | receive bitcoins |
| 17:09.31 | kerio | use bitcoins to buy drugs on the internet |
| 17:09.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | where can I find drugs on the internet? |
| 17:10.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | can I get hoockers and booze too? |
| 17:10.18 | kerio | why would you bother with bitcoins and shipping for booze |
| 17:10.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | why would I buy drugs? |
| 17:11.05 | kerio | TO GET HIGH AS FUCK |
| 17:11.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-))) |
| 17:11.42 | kerio | i honestly don't know of any other real purpose for bitcoins |
| 17:11.44 | kerio | like |
| 17:11.49 | kerio | you can exchange bitcoins for actual money |
| 17:11.59 | kerio | with people who want to buy drugs on the internet |
| 17:12.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems people have massive problems getting payments from USA to EU |
| 17:12.47 | kerio | people have massive problems getting payments through with BTC |
| 17:13.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, how nice |
| 17:13.01 | kerio | because the network is oversaturated |
| 17:13.12 | kerio | and the transfer fees get higher and higher |
| 17:13.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 17:13.42 | kerio | and the devs who are currently in control of bitcoin core don't want to make the blocks bigger |
| 17:13.51 | kerio | because otherwise the chinese miners would have an advantage |
| 17:13.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the whole BTC hype bursted like a soap bubble the monet I try to finally approach it? |
| 17:14.10 | kerio | no way man |
| 17:14.13 | kerio | it's going TO THE MOON |
| 17:14.26 | kerio | https://www.reddit.com/r/buttcoin is my source of info |
| 17:15.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | starts to have a hunch why those 40 Avalon2 dongles were a gift ;-P |
| 17:16.00 | kerio | those what now |
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| 17:18.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wb |
| 17:18.48 | infobot | It's great to be back! |
| 17:19.05 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: bitcoin works but has some issues i feel |
| 17:19.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | needing a 82GB and counting in every client is a dead end concept |
| 17:19.56 | kerio | nah that's not really necessary for actual clients |
| 17:20.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's like having a book with all legit series numbers of bank notes with you, to do any payment |
| 17:20.51 | kerio | there's lighter clients |
| 17:21.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, how would I receive BTC in theory? |
| 17:21.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | will they magically show up in my wallet? |
| 17:21.42 | kerio | ye |
| 17:21.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | will I receive a email? |
| 17:21.55 | kerio | no |
| 17:22.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 17:22.06 | kerio | you don't "receive" money |
| 17:22.09 | kerio | someone sends you money |
| 17:22.29 | kerio | you can send money to a nonexistent address |
| 17:22.29 | kerio | and the money is just gone |
| 17:22.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow |
| 17:22.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | great feature ;-P |
| 17:23.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, bank notes also burn, albeit terribly bad |
| 17:24.31 | kerio | luke-jr can explain why that's good for bitcoin to you |
| 17:24.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | how friggin "useful"¡ http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/24/plasma-desktopvx2277.png |
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| 17:26.50 | kerio | the bigger the blocks, the more latency will affect the miners |
| 17:27.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+uptime |
| 17:27.18 | kerio | and because of the friggin great firewall of china, it would give an advantage to whatever side of the firewall has the greater hash power |
| 17:27.26 | kerio | right now it's on the china side |
| 17:28.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, what a political mess |
| 17:28.34 | kerio | it could be worse |
| 17:28.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | the inventors of BTC for sure never thought it would turn into a fight China vs longnoses |
| 17:29.16 | kerio | instead of running a very simple bytecode interpreter, the clients could run a language loosely based on javascript, enabling "smart contracts" |
| 17:29.35 | kerio | and then people could put the equivalent of 100M USD in a smart contract that ends up having a critical bug |
| 17:30.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | you seem to know this shit |
| 17:30.37 | kerio | /r/buttcoin is amazing |
| 17:31.35 | kerio | the DAO, renamed "the D'OH" by /r/buttcoin, was an Ethereum smart contract |
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| 17:31.56 | kerio | ie a program running on the "ethereum VM", the decentralized computation thing that powers the ethereum blockchain |
| 17:32.20 | kerio | it was supposed to hold funds to be used to fund companies and proposals |
| 17:32.28 | kerio | where people who put money in could vote |
| 17:32.54 | kerio | someone found a possible bug in a bunch of smart contracts, the dao creators said "we're not affected" |
| 17:32.58 | kerio | they were affected |
| 17:33.12 | kerio | someone started pulling out funds |
| 17:33.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I feel like closing thos IRC chan tabs #ozcoin #bitcoin-otc gribble |
| 17:33.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | NFC what to do with them |
| 17:33.43 | kerio | in a 100% legitimate fashion |
| 17:33.47 | kerio | because "the code is law" |
| 17:34.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like "steer clear err "STEER CLEAR!!!!" |
| 17:34.38 | kerio | and then a bunch of meanies said "no the code isn't actually law, we're going to hard fork the whole thing and make that contract invalid" |
| 17:34.53 | kerio | and that's good for ethereum and bitcoin |
| 17:35.00 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the stupidest thing is |
| 17:35.15 | kerio | the whole organization or whatever PRIDED itself in being completely bound by the code |
| 17:35.20 | kerio | there was an explanation of how the voting and stuff worked |
| 17:35.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | shrugs |
| 17:36.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems like a problem for peopkle who don't have problems |
| 17:36.25 | kerio | but there was a big disclaimer at the beginning saying "this explanation is not at all binding, what's actually in the ethereum blockchain at address <whatever> is the only real description of what will happen, if there's any discrepancy between this explanation and the code then this explanation is wrong" |
| 17:37.09 | kerio | and then they hard forked the whole bloody thing to go "oops we didn't mean that" |
| 17:37.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | frowns at "one window tab more in taskbar", from that wallet thing |
| 17:37.22 | kerio | this DAO had no real relation to ethereum itself |
| 17:37.31 | kerio | it was just one of many smart contracts |
| 17:37.42 | kerio | and the bug was a bug in how smart contracts were written, not a bug in ethereum |
| 17:37.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: sorry, I can't follow, since err 10 min |
| 17:38.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm quite sure I shouldn't even try |
| 17:38.28 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: "code is law" except when some devs have money in a buggy distributed program |
| 17:38.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | 40 useless USB dongles - MEH |
| 17:38.59 | kerio | also, "let's make our blockchain run a turing complete language inspired by javascript" |
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| 17:39.18 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: bitcoin as a concept is very very neat |
| 17:39.30 | kerio | or, well, blockchains |
| 17:39.53 | kerio | trading cryptocurrencies for actual money or viceversa is a very risky proposition |
| 17:40.00 | kerio | because they're very volatile |
| 17:40.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the whole thing is pretty irrelevant for my personal life |
| 17:40.26 | kerio | however, you can receive bitcoins and convert them into fiat money very quickly |
| 17:40.31 | kerio | and you're mostly safe |
| 17:40.38 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: well you could buy like 10⬠of bitcoins |
| 17:40.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't know how |
| 17:40.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and why |
| 17:40.52 | kerio | and then track how much you're losing or gaining |
| 17:40.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh |
| 17:40.57 | kerio | idk man |
| 17:41.02 | kerio | to have the money of the future in your hands |
| 17:41.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsckit |
| 17:41.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got real work to accomplish |
| 17:41.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't afford learning for days and weeks how to handle that BTC mess |
| 17:42.11 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: https://www.reddit.com/r/sorryforyourloss |
| 17:42.17 | kerio | (not actually about grieving) |
| 17:42.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be highly intriguing but... I got a TV |
| 17:43.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | the world rather changes from iPhones than from BTC, I'd guess |
| 17:45.05 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oh right btc are also used by ransomware script kids to receive ransoms |
| 17:45.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | so? |
| 17:45.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | you won't unlock your data even when you pay |
| 17:45.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | no reason top mess with BTC |
| 17:45.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | to* |
| 17:45.56 | kerio | yes you will |
| 17:46.03 | kerio | some even have live tech support |
| 17:46.22 | kerio | it works BECAUSE you get your data back when you pay |
| 17:46.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I heard the opposite |
| 17:46.52 | kerio | you heard wrong |
| 17:46.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I won't test it X-P |
| 17:47.00 | kerio | i mean, there's outliers |
| 17:47.11 | kerio | there's one that just deletes your data and then asks for a ransom |
| 17:47.18 | kerio | but there's also one that doesn't touch your data at all |
| 17:47.25 | kerio | and just asks for money |
| 17:47.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I rather bo into BTC to get me a M134D and tech them script kiddies |
| 17:47.40 | kerio | "the point is, they robbed a bank with a telephone" |
| 17:47.55 | kerio | btc are also good for laundering money |
| 17:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I rather go into BTC to get me a M134D and teach them script kiddies |
| 17:48.04 | kerio | buy bitcoins, anonymize bitcoins, sell bitcoins somewhere else |
| 17:48.10 | buZz | 18:50:00 < DocScrutinizer05> 15z94ExNwDumtQgY9BWmudC4dwULfGHYDM (this is one of your addresses) <-this one? |
| 17:48.13 | buZz | woot |
| 17:48.16 | buZz | 1moment |
| 17:48.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | so? I don't need all that shit |
| 17:48.24 | kerio | don't send him cash |
| 17:48.32 | kerio | he might've uninstalled that shit |
| 17:48.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you didn't scare me enough yet |
| 17:49.05 | buZz | f72f2f18598545012cbe68a01c04d80eca8d8b599f5470f55a562bb6399a2f9f |
| 17:49.06 | buZz | :) |
| 17:49.40 | kerio | omg ;o |
| 17:49.42 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you're rich! |
| 17:49.50 | kerio | 7.40 USD richer at least |
| 17:50.09 | kerio | no wait |
| 17:50.13 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: the benefit, imho, of bitcoin, is having no third party requirement |
| 17:50.24 | buZz | kerio: ~ 1 euro |
| 17:50.36 | kerio | ye it was the second output |
| 17:50.41 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: 1 euro richer ;o |
| 17:50.46 | kerio | buZz: whos the first output |
| 17:50.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha |
| 17:50.52 | kerio | tell us ;3 |
| 17:51.28 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: so yea, he just sent you one euro |
| 17:51.49 | kerio | and paid like 5c to send you one euro and someone else 6ish euro |
| 17:51.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 17:51.49 | buZz | kerio: change |
| 17:52.03 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: MAYBE |
| 17:52.12 | kerio | wait for the transaction to be confirmed |
| 17:52.13 | kerio | https://blockchain.info/tx/f72f2f18598545012cbe68a01c04d80eca8d8b599f5470f55a562bb6399a2f9f |
| 17:52.18 | buZz | i think you can buy stickers from bitstickers.net from that |
| 17:52.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I got other tasks |
| 17:52.46 | kerio | buy one that says "nokla" |
| 17:53.05 | kerio | aww they're not custom stickers, lame |
| 17:53.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm honestly not interested in that whole intricate shit |
| 17:53.29 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: send me that euro! ;3 |
| 17:53.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: JUMP! |
| 17:54.24 | sicelo | how do you relate bitcon to 'real' currency? |
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| 17:54.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 17:54.37 | kerio | done |
| 17:55.46 | sicelo | so to use bitcoin, that dongle thing is needed as well? |
| 17:56.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: kerio suggested some weird freenode chan full of warnings, where it seems to me changing bitcoins to fiat money is a task like finding a new drug dealer |
| 17:56.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | MultiBit: |
| 17:56.59 | sicelo | :p |
| 17:57.02 | kerio | or you could use an exchange |
| 17:57.11 | kerio | and hope that they don't steal your btc |
| 17:57.13 | kerio | ;3 |
| 17:57.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | MultiBit: <DocScrutinizer05> how friggin "useful"¡ http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/24/plasma-desktopvx2277.png |
| 17:58.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | it happens I'm NOT in "North america" |
| 17:59.04 | kerio | Warning: Please be careful with your money. When sending funds to an exchange or other counterparty you are trusting that the operator will not abscond with your bitcoins and that the operator maintains secure systems that protect against internal or external theft. It is recommended that you obtain the real-world identity of the operator and ensure that sufficient recourse is available. Exchanging or storing significant funds with exchanges is not |
| 17:59.04 | kerio | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I wasted hours on a 40 useless dongles now |
| 17:59.15 | kerio | https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Comparison_of_real-time_trading_exchanges |
| 17:59.22 | kerio | why "wasted" |
| 17:59.24 | kerio | also which dongles are those |
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| 18:00.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | "wasted" because the whole thing is useless for me |
| 18:00.58 | kerio | holy SHIT level3 went down |
| 18:01.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | holy shit kerio what are you talking about? |
| 18:02.03 | kerio | it's a tier 1 isp |
| 18:02.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | then that's why wpwrak went offline |
| 18:02.45 | kerio | AS3356 |
| 18:03.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | for 52s |
| 18:03.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and infobot too? |
| 18:04.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack |
| 18:04.06 | infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 18:04.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+uptime |
| 18:26.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: thanks, payment arrived in Multibit wallet |
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| 20:14.08 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: \o |
| 20:14.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: are you gonna buy an ice cream ;o |
| 20:15.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't know how to |
| 20:16.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | it seems this MultiBit thing is convenient to manage BTC (receive, stash, send) but I hardly can see how to either convert BTC to fiat money or find a way to pay my ice cream with BTC |
| 20:17.21 | kerio | by sending the btc to someone |
| 20:17.28 | kerio | who has agreed to exchange it for services |
| 20:17.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also wouldn't want to stash more than a 50 mBTC in that thing |
| 20:18.36 | kerio | well, your local wallet is 100% secure, isn't it |
| 20:18.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I prefer to send real money, that's more convenient and way less restricting my option |
| 20:19.06 | kerio | and that just about sums the issue with bitcoin |
| 20:20.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and re "local wallet secure" I don't even have an idea if that thing is local, not to mention the stability of that BTC currency |
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| 20:20.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, I wasted way too much time into all that already |
| 20:21.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | for a pretty humble gain in experience and knowledge, and zilch improvement in my RL |
| 20:22.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could see a usecase for payments from US to EU, without the horrific fees for wire transfers. But then **only** if the amount arrives at my end as fiat money |
| 20:26.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to be the person with least BTC knowledge in the company, and all others so far failed to actually find a BTC processor that allows automatic (at least weekly) deposit of fiat money to a German bank account from inbound BTC transfers |
| 20:28.21 | kerio | #notworth |
| 20:28.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | now I have a (private) wallet and could receive BTC, but still no idea how to convert those into fiat money at all. Not to think of *automatic conversion* at time of payment, so the customer actually can know the amount (*in USD / EUR*) they paid |
| 20:28.46 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: if you have mucho bitcoin, maybe invest in a trezor (hardware wallet) |
| 20:29.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | shit please kill me if I ever "have mucho bitcoin" |
| 20:29.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already got plenty of options to make my life a misery |
| 20:30.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't need a wallet with "mucho BTC" on top |
| 20:31.11 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: i'd buy it from you ;) |
| 20:31.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | couldn't we forget about that BTC stuff and use cowry instead? |
| 20:31.49 | buZz | whats that |
| 20:32.00 | buZz | Cowry or cowrie, plural cowries, is the common name for a group of small to large sea snails, marine gastropod molluscs in the family Cypraeidae, the cowries. The word cowry is also often used to refer only to the shells of these snails, which overall are often shaped more or less like an egg, except that they are rather flat on the underside. |
| 20:32.05 | buZz | ? |
| 20:32.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.igrooveradio.com/cowries-its-wonders-and-history/ |
| 20:33.20 | buZz | WHY DOES THIS LINK HAVE MUSIC |
| 20:33.21 | buZz | HUUUU |
| 20:33.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, what an obscenity |
| 20:33.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
| 20:33.55 | buZz | ;( |
| 20:34.05 | buZz | ok, some exchange unit i guess |
| 20:34.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | used as currency in china, it seems |
| 20:34.24 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: maybe the lack of digital transferable ownership without third party |
| 20:35.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | let me check that new stuff my bank offers |
| 20:41.36 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: if you need to tx it to euro , i can buy em back :P |
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| 21:04.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry no idea what you say |
| 21:04.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.paydirekt.de/ |
| 21:07.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://github.com/paydirekt |
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