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| 19:16.11 | vectis3_ | Hi all, I've just aquired a second n900 as a non-working phone. When I put the battery in, the nokia logo shows (no backlight) and it vibrates every 30 secs. Flasher doesn't see it. Any ideas? |
| 19:16.32 | KotCzarny | try reascueos |
| 19:16.36 | KotCzarny | *rescueos |
| 19:16.40 | KotCzarny | if it boots then there is hope |
| 19:17.17 | KotCzarny | maybe its usb is broken too? |
| 19:21.46 | vectis3_ | the nokia logo shows up the instant I put the battery in, I don't power it up. When I plug a usb cable in, it flashes briefly. |
| 19:23.20 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:23.54 | KotCzarny | maybe someone was hacking bootprocess and failed |
| 19:25.44 | vectis3_ | ok, I'll take a look at rescueos. |
| 19:30.44 | sixwheeledbeast | I assume the battery is OK and fully charged? |
| 19:34.19 | KotCzarny | arent hands thing that will show much later? |
| 19:35.22 | sixwheeledbeast | nokia and nokia hands are at different stage of booting |
| 19:36.05 | KotCzarny | thats why its strange that hands show immediately |
| 19:36.15 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 19:36.18 | sixwheeledbeast | if dim nokia logo and then quick yellow then flat battery or no booting? |
| 19:36.21 | KotCzarny | its nokia logo, nvm |
| 19:36.31 | KotCzarny | ~flatbat |
| 19:36.33 | sixwheeledbeast | ~flatbattrecover |
| 19:36.38 | KotCzarny | ~flatbat-recover |
| 19:36.45 | KotCzarny | ~listkeys flatbat |
| 19:36.49 | sixwheeledbeast | ~flatbatrecover |
| 19:36.49 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) |
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| 19:38.29 | vectis3_ | hmm, no luck. I've tried several batteries, including the one from my working phone. |
| 19:38.53 | sixwheeledbeast | ah |
| 19:38.57 | sixwheeledbeast | ~bootloop |
| 19:38.58 | infobot | i heard bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. |
| 19:40.24 | vectis3_ | Should I get the nokia logo as soon as the battery is inserted? shouldn't I have to power it up to see that? |
| 19:41.10 | KotCzarny | do you have spare charged battery? |
| 19:41.35 | vectis3_ | yes, the one from my working phone. |
| 19:44.45 | KotCzarny | check it. it will confirm if its battery or boot process |
| 19:47.13 | vectis3_ | It powers-up my good, working phone. |
| 19:47.33 | KotCzarny | then just charge the battery |
| 19:49.03 | sixwheeledbeast | eh |
| 19:49.16 | vectis3_ | x2 |
| 19:50.08 | sixwheeledbeast | the "broken phone" will not boot with known good fully charged battery, correct? |
| 19:50.22 | vectis3_ | correct. |
| 19:50.27 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: |
| 19:51.18 | sixwheeledbeast | When you insert battery are you holding U key down? |
| 19:51.44 | vectis3_ | on the faulty phone, yes. |
| 19:53.12 | sixwheeledbeast | Have you used the flasher before on another N900 to prove it's not an issue with flasher? |
| 19:53.37 | vectis3_ | not on a n900, but with a n810. |
| 19:54.48 | sixwheeledbeast | Are you using the n900 flasher then? |
| 19:54.59 | sixwheeledbeast | 3.5 |
| 19:56.13 | vectis3_ | hmm, I thought there was only the Nokia flasher, and 0xFFFF. |
| 19:57.15 | vectis3_ | flasher-3.5 is the one I'm using, on Debian. |
| 19:57.26 | sixwheeledbeast | ok |
| 19:58.21 | KotCzarny | and flasher wouldnt see the device with weak battery |
| 19:58.29 | sixwheeledbeast | N8x0 was flasher 3.0 IIRC |
| 20:00.28 | vectis3_ | I installed it from debian, and I run "flasher-3.5" as the command. It shows up as flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) though. |
| 20:00.58 | sixwheeledbeast | I believe that's right |
| 20:02.16 | vectis3_ | Am I correct in thinking that nothing should start on the phone when I just insert the battery? |
| 20:02.37 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 20:02.53 | KotCzarny | phone starts in actdead sometimes |
| 20:02.59 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: |
| 20:03.04 | KotCzarny | dont remember what are the prereqs |
| 20:04.18 | sixwheeledbeast | Is the USB logo in the top corner when you try to flash? |
| 20:06.12 | vectis3_ | no. the nokia logo only, no backlight. Every 30 seconds the screen goes completely blank for a split second, and the phone does a single quick vibrate. |
| 20:07.35 | sixwheeledbeast | that sounds like ~bootloop to me |
| 20:09.21 | sixwheeledbeast | you should have the USB logo in the top corner for flashing |
| 20:14.50 | vectis3_ | no usb logo. |
| 20:19.39 | sixwheeledbeast | So the flasher is loaded with "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" then you hold U while connecting |
| 20:19.49 | sixwheeledbeast | ~flashing |
| 20:19.49 | infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing |
| 20:22.30 | vectis3_ | yes, thats correct. I have just tried it on my working phone to confirm that I am doing it correctly. |
| 20:24.06 | KotCzarny | might be broken usb port |
| 20:24.49 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: possible |
| 20:25.38 | vectis3_ | is there any way to check, other than taking the phone apart? Port feels solid, phone looks in v/good condition. |
| 20:26.32 | sixwheeledbeast | Even visual inspection may not show broken usb |
| 20:26.50 | sixwheeledbeast | ~usb-fix |
| 20:26.50 | infobot | hmm... usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt |
| 20:28.13 | sixwheeledbeast | I have an N900 that wrongly detects PC connection every now and again |
| 20:29.16 | sixwheeledbeast | Port is mounted solid but bad connection somewhere |
| 20:30.30 | vectis3_ | Ok, thanks for your time and help. I bought it as non-working, so I've got what I paid for. |
| 20:31.13 | KotCzarny | well, usb is fixable |
| 20:31.24 | KotCzarny | as its almost always physical breakage |
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| 20:32.11 | KotCzarny | requires precise soldering skills tho |
| 20:34.49 | sixwheeledbeast | Is it likely that someone has tried to flash before and given up and sold it on? |
| 20:37.07 | vectis3_ | I guess so, I bought it knowing that it had the described symptoms. |
| 20:40.50 | vectis3_ | I'll pull it apart soon for inspection. It's in a better condition than my working one, so ideal for spares. |
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| 21:14.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell vectis3_about lazyflashing |
| 21:14.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell vectis3_ about lazyflashing |
| 21:14.24 | KotCzarny | his usb ir probably broken, so. |
| 21:14.29 | KotCzarny | *is |
| 21:14.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | this will fix your bootloop |
| 21:15.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see a proof or strong indication for a broken USB |
| 21:16.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | to check VBUS, you hold 'U' key while plugging in charger |
| 21:17.13 | KotCzarny | vectis, when you connect usb cable, do you get orange light? |
| 21:17.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | to check USB D+/- you ideally connect the phone to a linux box while less +F /var/log/[messages|syslog} |
| 21:18.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | to check VBUS, you hold 'U' key while plugging in charger - on a POWERED DOWN phone |
| 21:18.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | you even rather remove battery, connect to charger, hold 'U', then insert battery. Then check if USB logo on NOKIa screen stays |
| 21:19.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | what vectis3_ encounters is a very clear ~bootloop which first of all needs reflashing |
| 21:20.35 | sixwheeledbeast | ~lazyflashing |
| 21:20.35 | infobot | methinks lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach |
| 21:20.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | use lazyflashing, according to the interactive instructions given, and see if it works |
| 21:21.23 | sixwheeledbeast | that flash it all script? |
| 21:21.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:22.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | it en passant clears any R&D flags etc that may make the device behave funny when inserting battery |
| 21:26.36 | sixwheeledbeast | I am reading through it now, clear script I don't know why it wasn't thought of before :) |
| 21:26.45 | sixwheeledbeast | checks md5sums too |
| 21:27.52 | sixwheeledbeast | s/clear/clever/ |
| 21:28.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-08-20 Sat 22:22:30] <vectis3_> yes, thats correct. I have just tried it on my working phone to confirm that I am doing it correctly. [2016-08-20 Sat 22:24:06] <KotCzarny> might be broken usb port [2016-08-20 Sat 22:24:49] <sixwheeledbeast> :nod: possible |
| 21:28.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nope, most likely the device boots as soon as you enter battery, and when you connect it to PC then the flasher can't talk to the bootloader anymore since the device already booted. All reboots in bootloop are warmboots afaik which don't involve NOLO |
| 21:29.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | use ~lazyflashing according to the instructions and most likely everything just fine :-) |
| 21:29.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: thanks |
| 21:30.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 21:31.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((clever script)) it even has sufficient legalese and obfuscation to cover my ass from trolling lawyers ;-P |
| 21:32.00 | sixwheeledbeast | lazyflashing does look to be a fool proof method. Hold U while inserting battery was suggested |
| 21:32.06 | sixwheeledbeast | Personal use only... |
| 21:32.32 | sixwheeledbeast | strictlymyworkingdir :) |
| 21:32.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 21:33.25 | sixwheeledbeast | the things we do to keep maemo alive |
| 21:33.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I mainly developed it for myself since I'm lazy and testing a few dozen phones gets boring quickly |
| 21:34.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | soon I have to test another 40 |
| 21:35.05 | sixwheeledbeast | at least thats a potential 40 more neos |
| 21:35.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | eventually I need to put fiascogen to a purpose, to create a customized rootfs that runs tests automatically |
| 21:35.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | (40 more neos) that's exactly the purpose |
| 21:38.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if I could turn the magic incantation >> (wget http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz -O - 2>/dev/null| tar xvz)&&cd maemo-my-private-workdir&&sudo ./flash-it-all.sh << into a file with name flashitallstart.sh and mimetype application/shellscript or whatever, so users on linux PC only click the icon and it starts a shell - DUH! :-o |
| 21:39.00 | sixwheeledbeast | :) |
| 21:41.08 | sixwheeledbeast | Only for the fact that you are doing a job 40x, makes writing a script efficient time. I guess many have only flashed there N900 a handful of times |
| 21:41.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also pondered to include a `find / -name *fiasco*` or somesuch, plus some filepicker requester magic, but... meh! |
| 21:42.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | hardcoded path ~/mymaemoworkdir ? |
| 21:42.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | still doesn't help with pre-downloaded fiasco files |
| 21:43.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | in the end I thought, in times where everybody and their dog has their own DSL internet, a 200 or 300MB download are just the easiest thing to do |
| 21:44.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody really cares if you did before already |
| 21:45.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the more fanc<y stuff I add, the higher the odds something will fail on some weird PC of some clueless user |
| 21:46.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | the libusb32 hack is fancy ;-P |
| 21:46.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and nost weird, seems to work |
| 21:46.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | most* |
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| 22:28.57 | vectis3_ | DocScrutinizer05: Thanks for the suggestion, will have to try it tomorrow. Phones in bits atm. |
| 22:29.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
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| 23:03.26 | vectis3_ | DocScrutinizer05: I couldn't wait. Still no luck though :( |
| 23:03.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I need more info to reply |
| 23:11.04 | vectis3_ | I downloaded your script and followed the instructions. I opted to flash all. Two bin files were downloaded and both were checked ok. phonet was disabled and then as instructed, I removed the battery from the phone, plugged in the usb cable and then replaced the battery. The phone instantly shows the nokia logo, but the "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." message remains on my laptop screen. |
| 23:14.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is an indication that your USB is defect or messed up then |
| 23:14.38 | KotCzarny | rly? |
| 23:14.39 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | could you please watch your syslog while plugging in (and inserting bat) the phone |
| 23:15.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: unlike you I'm not guessing or assuming |
| 23:15.36 | KotCzarny | he clearly said that flasher didnt see the device even on battery insert |
| 23:15.43 | KotCzarny | and no rd mode was set |
| 23:16.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I clearly said this is normal when the device is already powered up when connecting it |
| 23:16.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | and he can't even know if R&D mode is set or not - aside from me wondering how that's relevant here |
| 23:17.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, I didn't read anything about battery insert while device is already connected |
| 23:17.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I only read 'device boots up instantly on battery insert' |
| 23:18.29 | KotCzarny | anyway, it works on charged battery, so at least he got a parts donor/chance to repair |
| 23:18.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | no it doesn't work - it bootloops |
| 23:19.06 | KotCzarny | screen/body is ok |
| 23:19.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, please shut up. You're definitely not helpful for vectis3_ |
| 23:20.11 | KotCzarny | he also stated he got it 'not working', and your arent helping either |
| 23:20.17 | KotCzarny | *you're |
| 23:20.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha |
| 23:20.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least I don't tell him shit |
| 23:20.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw why he? why not she? |
| 23:21.11 | KotCzarny | because there are no girls on the internet |
| 23:21.21 | KotCzarny | thats a rule old as irc |
| 23:22.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | vectis3_: you said you got a working N900 too, right? |
| 23:23.15 | vectis3_ | http://pastebin.com/1YwMQFGh |
| 23:23.38 | vectis3_ | yep, I have one that is working. |
| 23:23.54 | vectis3_ | And no girls here. |
| 23:24.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | vectis3_: please do a "sudo less +F /var/log/messages" (or /var/log/syslog when you're on debian or another distro that doesn't have messages) and then plug your powered down working phone to your PC and watch what the diagnostic print in syslog. Then compare to the problem device |
| 23:24.22 | KotCzarny | hmm, differnt serial numbers |
| 23:24.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, you already did |
| 23:25.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | vectis3_: this pastebin looks like a perfectly working N900 |
| 23:26.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | though it actually looks like two devices plugged in, bith already powered up |
| 23:26.59 | KotCzarny | btw. those numbers are old, were you connecting your old n900 few hours ago? |
| 23:27.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather (from serial number) same device pluged in twice in a row, while already powered up |
| 23:28.01 | vectis3_ | Ah, yes. I've had both plugged in. |
| 23:28.24 | KotCzarny | disconnect both, connect only new one |
| 23:28.28 | KotCzarny | check if it shows up |
| 23:29.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/PC_syslog_of_USB_enum for reference |
| 23:29.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | Product: Nokia USB ROM is supposed to be bootloader |
| 23:29.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is needed for flasher |
| 23:30.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | Product: Nokia N900 (Update mode) too - second stage bootloader |
| 23:31.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | Product: N900 (Storage Mode) is booted maemo already |
| 23:32.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | vectis3_: your log seems to lack the Nokia USB ROM which means it didn't coldboot when connected |
| 23:34.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | so did you really first plug the phone to USB PC and *then* insert battery? |
| 23:34.09 | vectis3_ | ok, when I plug in the non-working phone, nothing shows. |
| 23:34.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 23:34.22 | KotCzarny | try cold boot |
| 23:34.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's pretty much a proof of USB (or cable) dead |
| 23:35.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and ignore KotCzarny, there's no such thing he suggests. There's only "insert battery *after* plugging phone to PC" |
| 23:36.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | all phones with working CPU and USB need to show Nokia USB ROM on that battery insertion |
| 23:36.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | all N900 phones, that is |
| 23:37.04 | vectis3_ | lol, ok. I have definately been inserting the battery after plugging in the usb cable. |
| 23:37.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | then your USB is defect |
| 23:37.37 | vectis3_ | ok. thanks for the help. |
| 23:37.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 23:37.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix |
| 23:37.44 | infobot | i guess usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt |
| 23:38.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | also visually inspect the contacts of USB receptacle, often there's just debris or oxidation or somesuch |
| 23:40.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtah *might* help is carefully and gently setting the phone so it rests with USB plug on a tachbox. So the weight of phone alone (DO NOT press on screen or kbd or anything) slightly bends the USB plug and jack |
| 23:40.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | what* |
| 23:40.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | and matchbox |
| 23:41.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | do not apply more force that the weight of N900 would do in such situation. More force won't fix things, it will break them more |
| 23:41.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | vectis3_: ^^^ |
| 23:44.24 | vectis3_ | ok, that popped up the following: usb usb8-port2: Cannot enable. Maybe the USB cable is bad? |
| 23:44.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | also don't miss to try boot the device with kbd slider and camera door open, and while pressing camera trigger and vol+ button. Some users might have installed stuff that breaks out of the bootloop into whatever service mode, e.g. backupmenu would detect open slider and get you to a menu where you could enter a shell to fix stuff |
| 23:45.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, seen bad usb cables a dozen times or more |
| 23:46.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | from here on you're basically on your own (except for actual soldering howto etc), I provided all the known info/help relevant for your case |
| 23:47.26 | vectis3_ | I don't believe its the cable, it works fine with my other phone. Was thinking that pressing on the usb port as you suggested, made some sort of contact. |
| 23:49.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 23:49.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe repeat a few times. Eventually you might be lucky |
| 23:49.44 | KotCzarny | yeah, break the port more |
| 23:49.47 | KotCzarny | its helping |
| 23:49.48 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 23:49.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | STFU! |
| 23:50.05 | KotCzarny | you are not helping him, if he breaks the pads |
| 23:50.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're not helping when he explodes reading such shit |
| 23:51.07 | KotCzarny | you are drunk pushy bully |
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| 23:51.32 | KotCzarny | idiot. |
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| 23:53.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | vectis3_: try placing the device on matchbox with screen down |
| 23:56.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | vectis3_: but long term you'll need ~usbfix anyway, unless your cable is a very special breed that works only with your old N900 but not the new one |
| 23:57.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds are your N900's usb receptacle is about to come off the PCB |
| 23:57.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas a known issue |
| 23:59.20 | vectis3_ | It seemed solid when I took it apart earlier. Not to worry though, I bought it for spare parts and thats what I have got. Thanks for all the help and suggestions. |
| 23:59.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~unplug-usb |
| 23:59.51 | infobot | unplug-usb is probably http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140721_002.mp4 |