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06:39.03KotCzarnyTotal wall clock time: 1d 14h 48m 19s
06:39.03KotCzarnyDownloaded: 440602 files, 84G in 18h 18m 31s (1.31 MB/s)
06:39.12KotCzarnymodland archived. ;)
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07:51.34jonwilhi
08:05.15DocScrutinizer05hi
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10:01.50jonwilI have come to the conclusion that anything involving audio algorithms is a nightmare to reverse engineer.
10:01.58jonwilPulseAudio stuff is a nightmare.
10:02.07jonwilAnything involving unknown audio codecs is also a nightmare.
10:16.13drathirjonwil: clean alsa if possible always the best... pulse always problems...
10:22.10jonwilyeah I know that but Nokia made the decision to use PulseAudio
10:22.38jonwilSo we have no choice but to reverse engineer the nokia blobs
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11:52.28bencohaudio isn't that much of a nightmare, but pulseaudio .... pff :)
11:58.05KotCzarnyno, but for driver to be mainlined/distributed it matters greatly
11:58.15KotCzarnyeh, wrong chan
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18:51.34DocScrutinizer05promoted https://maemo.org/packages/view/fcam-drivers/ according to peterleinchen's request
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19:08.47CatButtshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqP0SIAcazc unrelated
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19:22.16KotCzarnyso, was it tested?
19:22.34KotCzarnyor we are switching now 'dev reqiested promotion' part?
19:27.04KotCzarnynot saying anything about package itself, because i dont use it, but it shows the sad state of things when even such useful software cant gather 6 votes
19:29.31KotCzarnyjust use armbian's one
19:30.04KotCzarnynope.
19:30.09KotCzarnyits a regular file
19:30.18KotCzarnysits in boot partition
19:30.31KotCzarnycalled script.bin (compiled fex)
19:33.54KotCzarnyhttps://github.com/igorpecovnik/lib/tree/master/config/fex
19:35.51KotCzarnydamn. wrong chan
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19:37.27fishbulbautocomp edit comes up with an error sayng "unknown dictionary"
19:37.48fishbulbit's definitely a known dictionary
19:37.55fishbulbbecuase it's english
19:38.10fishbulbI dunno any other way to edit the autocomplete settings
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20:06.47sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: It depends on the term "promoted", promoted to or from where. fcam-drivers has for a long time caused dependency chaos IIRC.
20:07.04KotCzarnyapparently from extras-devel to extras
20:07.13sicelofishbulb: you can delete the dictionary and start with clean slate
20:07.24KotCzarnyand version promoted was from 2010 or 2011
20:07.46sixwheeledbeastpromotion maybe from devel to testing for example, which means it would still require QA
20:08.07sicelohow many votes has oscp now? i did vote ;)
20:08.08KotCzarnynah, dev can promote to testing himself
20:08.23KotCzarnysicelo: oscp version in testing is OLD
20:08.31KotCzarnyquite a lot bugs fixed on the way
20:08.49sixwheeledbeastAlso it maybe the case, that votes have been completed but dev has not accepted promotion.
20:08.51KotCzarnybut i may get around to promote again
20:09.03KotCzarnyswb: 0 votes on that package
20:09.39sixwheeledbeastEither way there has always been a option for CC to promoted/demote packages under special circumstances.
20:09.59KotCzarnyahm, nvm, it was from -devel to -testing
20:10.20KotCzarnybut that could be done by author o.o
20:10.49sixwheeledbeastlook at speedpatch etc
20:10.53sicelosome don't, or forget, etc.
20:11.22siceloi tried to vote for autocompedit .. it's still in devel .. maintainer hasn't promo'ed it
20:11.34sixwheeledbeastsicelo: exactly
20:11.43KotCzarnysicelo, 'package karma: 8 out of 10' thanks anyway :)
20:12.09sicelolol
20:12.16siceloneed two more guys
20:12.44KotCzarnybut as i said, even then it would require voting again on new version
20:12.49siceloi thought non-free needed 9 votes, not 10?
20:12.53sixwheeledbeastideally you need a new maintainer to promote but this can also be a brick wall if you can't contact original maintainer
20:12.55KotCzarny10 afair
20:13.19KotCzarnyswb: isnt maintainership transfer proper solution?
20:13.20sixwheeledbeastfree = 6 non-free 10 IIRC
20:13.39sicelowonder where i go the 9
20:14.22sixwheeledbeastyou can be added to the maintainers list but only by a current maintainer so if the package it no longer maintained you need CC to get an admin to do this.
20:14.34DocScrutinizer05>>shows the sad state of things when even such useful software cant gather 6 votes<< please don't comment on stuff you don't understand or bothered to try and understand. I just promoted the package to testing, so how could it possobly have gathered a single vote yet?
20:16.45sicelogood info sixwheeledbeast .. will check up on irssi maintainership
20:17.13KotCzarnyDocScrutinizer05: doc, as i said already, i overlooked the fact it was devel-testing promotion
20:17.55sixwheeledbeastI agree it's been hard to get packages promoted for a long time, however, it's a tried and tested QA procedure.
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20:23.13DocScrutinizer05promotion should work again. There been a known issue where packeages didn't get built anew even on revision bumps
20:23.27DocScrutinizer05please holler when you spot any such issue
20:24.14DocScrutinizer05and watchout with your revision string, it needs to be *exactly* formed like defined for maemo
20:25.47DocScrutinizer05((I just promoted the package to testing,))  >>fcam-drivers 1.0.7-2Fremantle Extras-testing free armelPackage is in testingSystem2016-08-18 19:46 UTC<<
20:25.54DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/packages/view/fcam-drivers/
20:28.02DocScrutinizer05((cam-drivers has for a long time caused dependency chaos IIRC.))  >>1.0.6-1  Now compiles a version for the power kernel and a version for    the vanilla kernel and packs them both into the same .deb<<
20:29.09DocScrutinizer05which also means you need to uninstall and reinstall fcam-drivers to get the right module, after you switched from stock to power kernel
20:29.45DocScrutinizer05or meay a mere apt-get install suffices, dunno
20:30.03DocScrutinizer05s/meay/maybe/
20:31.49DocScrutinizer05fcam-drivers is a nice example for a upgrade that's not really fitting into extras-*
20:32.20DocScrutinizer05like powerkernel
20:32.41sicelowhere should it be?
20:32.45DocScrutinizer05both sort of work but are actually core system updates
20:33.00DocScrutinizer05I'd think they belong to CSSU-*
20:33.09DocScrutinizer05possibly into optional packages there
20:33.15KotCzarnywasnt cssu argued as 'only updates to system packages' ?
20:33.24bencohfcam-drivers is in extras (?)
20:33.44DocScrutinizer05how's kernel and a kernel driver not a system package?
20:33.44bencohI dont exactly understand your point here
20:34.02bencoha kernel driver isn't necessarily a base "system" package
20:34.16bencoh(neither is a kernel to be fair, but .... let's say a kernel is "base")
20:34.21DocScrutinizer05nevermind
20:34.42sicelosixwheeledbeast:  http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qnotted/0.0.3/ <== just voted ;)
20:34.58bencohKotCzarny: cssu was designed to "upgrade packages in stock / nokia repositories"
20:35.21bencoh(that would normally be upgraded through SSU)
20:35.47KotCzarnybencoh, yeah, something like that. i remember someone arguing about things cssu is NOT for
20:36.31fishbulbafter updating cssu most apps that I did use don't work anymore
20:36.37sixwheeledbeastsicelo: :)
20:36.40sicelosorry
20:37.17sicelosixwheeledbeast: thank ginggs
20:37.18fishbulbnot most, I should be accurate, some
20:37.46bencohDocScrutinizer05: would you happen to know why https://maemo.org/packages/view/fcam-drivers/ explicitely requires authentification (at least here) while http (no ssl) doesn't?
20:38.01bencohie I can't view the https page (I get the login page instead)
20:38.09fishbulbwhere is the autocorrect dictionary?
20:38.22sixwheeledbeastsicelo: I did, I am grateful he bumps my testing campaign thread on TMO
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20:39.38sicelofishbulb: check out the thread for autocompleteeditor .. i forgot the location
20:39.50KotCzarnyhmm, didnt know mainainer can vote on his own package
20:40.03KotCzarnymaybe that's the magic 9
20:40.05bencohhe can also downvote it
20:40.11sicelolol KotCzarny .. yes, vote for oscp
20:40.18KotCzarny:)
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20:41.56DocScrutinizer05bencoh: no idea
20:42.12DocScrutinizer05bencoh: rewrite rule?
20:42.40bencohmayb
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20:43.02KotCzarnyhmm, cant vote
20:43.17KotCzarnylets try another browser
20:43.35sixwheeledbeastI have noticed recently *.maemo.org will not resolve with HTTPS everywhere addon. I guess cert issue somewhere?
20:44.26bencohcertificate has changed 2 weeks ago
20:44.35sicelofishbulb: /home/user/.osso/dictionaries ... although mine is empty .. there might be another one somewhere
20:44.37DocScrutinizer05((after updating cssu most apps that I did use don't work anymore)) I'd usually make a big alarm about it, but given the source of that report....
20:44.45DocScrutinizer05pebkac as usual?
20:45.26KotCzarnyok, i need one more user/tester
20:45.45KotCzarnypity voting is for such old version
20:46.12bencohKotCzarny: or you could go for a really FOSS version ;)
20:46.18bencohand push to -free
20:46.20KotCzarnywill do, will do
20:46.47KotCzarnybut at current state it wouldnt chew through autobuilder
20:47.08bencoh:)
20:47.46KotCzarnyit needs newer gcc
20:47.53bencohbut ... why?
20:48.03KotCzarnylibav doesnt compile with 4.2 afair
20:48.13DocScrutinizer05o.O
20:48.16bencohdepends on your libav version
20:48.26bencohit used to not so long ago (2 years?)
20:48.27KotCzarnyor something similar
20:48.54bencohand .... use ffmpeg anyway ;p
20:48.58bencohffmpeg still builds
20:49.10KotCzarnyyou know what's the difference between ffmpeg and libav?
20:49.13DocScrutinizer05I seem to recall CSSU team been pondering to get a new gcc version into autobuilder
20:49.17bencohI do, yeah ;)
20:49.21KotCzarny:)
20:49.43bencohDocScrutinizer05: there are a few implications there though
20:49.49DocScrutinizer05:nod:
20:50.05KotCzarnymaybe some .deb rule to select gcc version?
20:50.11DocScrutinizer05:nod:
20:50.47DocScrutinizer05thumb needs new compiler too iirc
20:50.50KotCzarnyimagines bundling gcc with source package and hacking build scripts to use it, he he
20:52.34DocScrutinizer05wasn't there quite some fun with autobuilder and packages for python 2.5|2.6|2.8|3.0 ?
20:52.55fishbulbsicelo, mine is empty too
20:53.24KotCzarnypython current setup sucks. it should install to /opt and use symlinks instead of mounts
20:53.29fishbulbmaybe that's why the autocorrect editor isn't working
20:53.34DocScrutinizer05((there might be another one somewhere )) find and locate are your friends
20:54.02sicelomine works fishbulb .. maybe read through the whole thread .. it was quite informative .. but i haven't used it in a looong time
20:54.03DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny: :nod:
20:54.15fishbulbyour what works?
20:54.22siceloeditor
20:54.31DocScrutinizer05sicelo: find -newer
20:54.32fishbulbmine doesn't
20:54.47fishbulbafter the last stable cssu update
20:54.48DocScrutinizer05sicelo: ...after adding a term to autofoo
20:55.08sicelothat's why i'm suggesting you read through the thread on tmo, fishbulb
20:55.12DocScrutinizer05fishbulb: no, after you last time looked outa the window
20:55.32CatButtshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qchPLaiKocI unrelated
20:55.42fishbulbDocScrutinizer05, was that supposed to make sense?
20:56.13DocScrutinizer05CatButts: please stop it. doesn't show here anyway
20:56.33fishbulbwhich thread sicelo ?
20:56.36DocScrutinizer05fishbulb: does yours make sense?
20:56.39CatButtspfffft, ok
20:56.45CatButtsno musics then
20:56.59CatButtsget down it, though
20:57.00fishbulbI need to get rid of the dictionary wherever it is
20:57.06fishbulbwhere is it?
20:57.22sicelosearch .. :)
20:57.30DocScrutinizer05it's still where it always been, CSSU doesn't change that
20:57.30fishbulbfor what?
20:57.40DocScrutinizer05sicelo: find -newer
20:57.48siceloautocompleteeditor ..
20:57.59fishbulbI have autocomplete editor
20:58.02siceloDocScrutinizer05: i don't remember the file name either .. or what to 'find'
20:58.08sicelofishbulb: ?  :-/
20:58.22DocScrutinizer05find -NEWER 10 minutes
20:58.29sicelosearch for its thread .. that's what i'm saying
20:58.37fishbulbwhat's tmo
20:58.43DocScrutinizer05~tmo
20:58.43infobotextra, extra, read all about it, tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen.
21:00.41KotCzarny~t-mo
21:00.41infoboti heard t-mo is T-Mobile
21:00.45DocScrutinizer05sicelo: sorry, correctly `find  -ctime n`
21:01.25DocScrutinizer05negative 'n' means newer iirc
21:02.18fishbulbcan't find it
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21:02.45aLinuxhello ^^
21:02.52DocScrutinizer05hi
21:03.06sicelofishbulb: you aren't searching seriously enough :p
21:03.30sicelobtw, in that directory i gave above, the files are actually there .. but they are hidden files ;)
21:03.45DocScrutinizer05bwahahahaha
21:04.18aLinuxu guys/girls are still using n900 ?
21:04.19aLinux:)
21:04.28DocScrutinizer05disabled autofoo 2 days after unpacking his very first N900
21:04.28KotCzarnyn900 for life!
21:04.49aLinuxi got one today for 30$ and it looks brand new,and works perfect
21:04.53DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny: fail!
21:04.55DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142
21:05.04DocScrutinizer05;-)
21:05.30KotCzarnydoc, drop the price 10x and i will consider ;)
21:05.36DocScrutinizer05aLinux: congrats and welcome here
21:05.50DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny: I really wish I could
21:05.55KotCzarnyi know
21:05.59aLinuxin 2010 i had n900 and i sold it about 4 months later...
21:06.04DocScrutinizer05:´(
21:06.05aLinuxnow im back again here :D
21:06.18aLinuxi noticed ovi store is dead..
21:06.27aLinuxi use to install bounce from there
21:06.31KotCzarnyso, ready to reflash/update?
21:06.31aLinux:(
21:06.33DocScrutinizer05yeah, not that it ever really was alive and kicking
21:06.34KotCzarny~repos
21:06.34infobothmm... repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories, or see ~jrrepos
21:06.39bencohaLinux: welcome back then :)
21:06.43aLinuxthank you
21:06.45KotCzarny~flashing
21:06.45infobot[maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing
21:07.17bencohthere are ovi mirrors around as well
21:07.26DocScrutinizer05aLinux: KotCzarnyhas a point there
21:07.34DocScrutinizer05bencoh too
21:07.38KotCzarnybencoh, werent there ovi mirrors on muarf?
21:07.52bencohKotCzarny: yup, but password-protected (using nokia auth)
21:07.58aLinuxi dont remember... i forgot most of the tweaks i did..
21:07.59DocScrutinizer05hahaha
21:08.17DocScrutinizer05the awesome ""password""
21:08.31bencohyeah the one that's available freely on wiki.m.o ;)
21:08.35KotCzarnyaLinux: talk.maemo.org is your friend
21:08.45KotCzarnyand w.m.o of course
21:08.51aLinux^^
21:09.05aLinuxi just wanted to see who is online here ^^
21:09.23KotCzarnyafter you reflash:
21:09.23bencohaLinux: still a few people as you can see :)
21:09.24KotCzarny~cssu
21:09.25infoboti guess cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
21:09.25DocScrutinizer05or ask here. Actually always ask here before assuming and guessing. Mostly folks here are a nice and helpful bunch
21:09.52KotCzarnythere is a chance previous owner already installed cssu
21:10.03DocScrutinizer05irrelevant
21:10.04KotCzarnybut if you reflash, you will have to redo
21:10.11DocScrutinizer05do a full reflash
21:10.31DocScrutinizer05~fushbulb
21:10.36DocScrutinizer05~fishbulb
21:10.36infobothmm... fishbulb is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:22:18
21:10.49KotCzarnytwo things to watch out:
21:10.55DocScrutinizer05http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:29:50
21:11.03KotCzarnyusb and modem (dont push keys too hard)
21:11.26KotCzarnyand always plug/unplug usb carefully and without skewing
21:11.39DocScrutinizer05yep USB jack is a known flimsy thing and source of defects
21:11.45DocScrutinizer05~usbfix
21:11.45infobotusbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt
21:12.01sicelofishbulb: i'm feeling 'generous' today .. there's your thread - https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55884
21:12.03KotCzarnyaLinux: are you taking notes?
21:12.19DocScrutinizer05sicelo: you're just too nice :-D
21:12.27aLinux:D some ,yes
21:12.40DocScrutinizer05((notes)) http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog
21:12.41KotCzarnyaLinux: you can just note bot commands
21:12.53KotCzarnyso you can ask bot again if you forget
21:12.57aLinux10 min ago i flashed my n900 with pr 1.3 to remove the bload
21:13.10aLinuxbloat..
21:13.14DocScrutinizer05:-))
21:13.26DocScrutinizer05see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:29:50 please
21:13.39DocScrutinizer05you also *might* find useful:
21:13.42DocScrutinizer05~jrtools
21:13.42infoboti guess jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
21:13.54DocScrutinizer05though that's for power users mostly
21:14.07aLinuxthank you
21:14.10DocScrutinizer05yw
21:14.17DocScrutinizer05thanks you for dropping by here
21:14.33aLinuxshould i install CSSU ?
21:14.36KotCzarnydefinitely
21:14.37DocScrutinizer05definitely yes
21:14.40bencohyup!
21:14.42aLinuxalright !
21:14.43KotCzarny:)
21:14.51DocScrutinizer05see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:29:50 please
21:15.03KotCzarnybiggest plus of cssu is faster package manager
21:15.13KotCzarny30x faster than stock (as some claim ;)
21:15.17aLinuxsweet
21:15.38aLinuxi cant belive im holding a n900 again.. after 6 years !!
21:15.49DocScrutinizer05I don't claim that, I tested it :-P
21:16.03DocScrutinizer05feels good, eh? ;)
21:16.15aLinuxit feel pretty damn good!
21:16.19aLinuxsolid..
21:16.51fishbulbsicelo, thanks, but the last post is in 2011
21:17.00DocScrutinizer05first to ~lazyflashing, the ~jrrrepos
21:17.07fishbulbit was working a few months ago the last time I tried it
21:17.13sicelofishbulb: so?????????????????
21:17.19sicelogives up
21:17.22KotCzarny:>
21:17.22fishbulbwell in 2011 it was DEFINITELY working
21:17.31DocScrutinizer05sicelo: told ya youre too nice
21:17.35fishbulbthe dictionary directory is empty
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21:18.34fishbulbDocScrutinizer05, aren't you about 60? you act like 14 or something
21:18.52sicelofishbulb: it is NOT empty .. i mentioned it contains "hidden" files
21:19.10fishbulbI'm looking at it wth root though
21:19.17bencohls -la ?
21:19.20fishbulbI don't know how else to see hidden fles
21:19.21fishbulbfiles
21:19.45sicelowhat bencoh shows you
21:19.45KotCzarnyi dont know if he trolls or lacks basic linux knowledge and ability to learn/do things exactly as told
21:19.52DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/41760466
21:20.32fishbulbI lack terminal knowledge
21:20.33DocScrutinizer05headdesks a little
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21:20.51Youbi~flasher
21:20.51infobotfrom memory, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
21:20.57KotCzarnyyoubi:
21:20.59fishbulbcan I just delete the dictionaries or o I have to remove flags
21:21.01KotCzarny~flashing
21:21.01infobotrumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing
21:21.11DocScrutinizer05~lazyflashing
21:21.11infobotsomebody said lazyflashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach
21:21.26aLinuxreplaced nokia core repos,installed cssu.. now i got updates ^^
21:21.34YoubiKotCzarny: thanks :)
21:21.39sicelofishbulb: that's what you'll find out from the thread .. see the puzzle coming together now
21:21.53Youbi~firmware
21:21.53infobotfirmware is probably please see ~combined ~emmc ~flasher
21:21.54DocScrutinizer05Youbi: actually use lazy
21:22.10DocScrutinizer05it's really easy
21:22.12KotCzarnyyoubi: just use the script from the bot link, it downloads firmware itslef
21:22.32DocScrutinizer05since *I* am lazy ;-P
21:22.40sicelofishbulb: very first post explains everything, including how to produce a clean dictionary
21:22.57YoubiOk doing it :)
21:23.06aLinuxi got about 57mb of update and i get "unable to update libqtm-bearer conflicting application packages continue installing?"
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21:23.23DocScrutinizer05bounces up and down a little, like a rubber ball
21:23.40DocScrutinizer05ooooooh this is soooo exciting. A new user willing to learn
21:23.57DocScrutinizer05two already
21:24.02KotCzarnyyeah
21:24.47aLinuxfor some reason i cant update.. :/ it says i already have the files.. and it asks to continue then it fails :(
21:24.54DocScrutinizer05Youbi: after you flashed, don't miss:
21:24.59DocScrutinizer05~jrrepos
21:24.59infobothmm... jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/
21:25.09aLinuxam i missing something ?
21:25.13YoubiI’m flashing again because I have the problem of the boot loop :(
21:25.23KotCzarny~bootloop
21:25.23infoboti guess bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device.
21:25.27YoubiDocScrutinizer05: what are those repos for?
21:25.28DocScrutinizer05you're not updating via apt-get, do you?
21:25.39aLinuxim in application manager
21:25.43DocScrutinizer05Youbi: they replace dead nokia repos
21:25.48YoubiYeah the battery is charged at approximately 70%
21:25.49KotCzarnyyoubi: remember, bootloop can be as stupid as putting some bad command in ~/.profile
21:25.56YoubiYep but that’s note.
21:25.59Youbinot*
21:26.05DocScrutinizer05aLinux: old HA; takes literally 15 min
21:26.13DocScrutinizer05HAM even
21:26.22aLinuxso i should ignore and wait ?
21:26.43YoubiI went to outdoor camping (don’t know the exact english word) and my N900 went out of battery and since then, I have the loop :/
21:27.09KotCzarnyyoubi, try charging in different battery or:
21:27.16YoubiAnd I ordered a new battery, the first time I recharged it and boot up, it worked.
21:27.36DocScrutinizer05as long as HAM doesn't show a requester asking you to make a decision, you just wait a 15 min until it shows something
21:27.51DocScrutinizer05requester or list
21:27.59DocScrutinizer05or menu
21:28.18aLinuxim not sure i understand "HAM"..
21:28.27bencohor ... just edit apt conf :>
21:28.28KotCzarny[edit] ~flatbatrecover
21:28.29YoubiHildon Application Manager
21:28.29DocScrutinizer05~ham
21:28.29infobotmethinks ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham
21:28.35KotCzarny~flatbatrecover
21:28.35infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop)
21:28.35bencohor manually install cssu ham
21:28.38bencoh;p
21:28.52aLinuxok thank you i understand
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21:29.46DocScrutinizer05~speedyham
21:29.47infobotSpeedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb.  SpeedyHAM is included in CSSU now
21:30.01DocScrutinizer05so...:
21:30.03DocScrutinizer05~cssu
21:30.04infobotmethinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
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21:30.27YoubiLast time I was here and talked about a faster application manager, someone told me that it was bad to use it beauce of some problem with package management which could broke the system.
21:30.31DocScrutinizer05HAM *really* sucks
21:30.41DocScrutinizer05~fapman
21:30.41infobotfapman is probably Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam
21:30.59aLinuxwell... hildon is slow.. but i like it ^^
21:31.18YoubiYEAH white light at boot
21:31.20Youbi4 dots
21:31.25YoubiOh my. Orange led…
21:31.27bencohaLinux: then you will love "speedyham"
21:31.35YoubiOo 5 dots again
21:31.55bencohYoubi: no battery?
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21:32.19DocScrutinizer05Youbi: wait for at least 90s
21:32.28YoubiYep I’w waiting and letting it boot :)
21:32.43DocScrutinizer05if after 2 minutes it still seems to reboot, you got a bootloop
21:32.43siceloin the meantime .. something isn't right with WiFi on my N900 .. if I leave the connection idling, it basically ends up 'dead' although the icon still shows connection. either i have to reconnect, and sometimes even need to unload the driver. no, i've never installed any auto(dis)connect utilities on the N900
21:32.44Youbibencoh: nope I think it’s the post-flashing system init which take a while.
21:33.10DocScrutinizer05yes, that takes even 5 min maybe
21:33.12KotCzarnysicelo: might be the router side too. see dmesg?
21:33.14aLinuxi cant find "speedyham" on application manager.. and i installed cssu
21:33.24KotCzarnyaLinux: speedyham is just a nickname
21:33.41DocScrutinizer05aLinux: (speedy)HAM is in applications "applications"
21:33.51KotCzarnyonce you have cssu, you have it in place of ham
21:33.55bencohDocScrutinizer05: isnt it in latest CSSU?
21:33.56bencohah :)
21:33.57KotCzarnylooks the same, works much better
21:34.01DocScrutinizer05it's the system's normal application mamager
21:34.06aLinuxi forgot to open cssu after install
21:34.23DocScrutinizer05yeah, a very common mistake
21:34.25aLinuxi open it now.. and it shows me some packs to install
21:34.33DocScrutinizer05:-)))
21:35.02YoubiLock code… Hands with the MARVELOUS nokia song.
21:35.10DocScrutinizer05is sooo happy aLinux didn't say "I clicked *all* until it was installed"
21:35.25CatButtscurious
21:35.26aLinuxdownloading...38.3 MB :D
21:35.31aLinux:D
21:35.41CatButtsN900, midi ringtones
21:35.55DocScrutinizer05CatButts: won't fly
21:36.02CatButtswhat does the N900 come with by defaul....
21:36.04CatButtsdangit
21:36.07DocScrutinizer05CatButts: you need to convert them to a decent format
21:36.08KotCzarnymp3/aac
21:36.54DocScrutinizer05CatButts: N900 comes with $anything-digital-samples you like
21:37.00CatButtsI was hoping I'd have a field trip with whatever the N900 would have had in place for rendering midi by default
21:37.00siceloogg is suitable for rington iirc .. i think i ave an ogg
21:37.15aLinuxwill the n900 still sync google contacts ? id like to use it tomorow for one day instead of my note 4 !
21:37.20KotCzarnyCatButts: you can render midi to wav/mp3
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21:37.34DocScrutinizer05sicelo: in fact it conferts every ringtone you select to a .wav and stores that file somewhere
21:37.58DocScrutinizer05aLinux: prolly not
21:37.59YoubiRah, I thought my apps would be still there. I forgot that the rootfs flash would erase all -_-
21:38.02CatButtshttp://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/Sagem_my-v55/ take this fucker par example
21:38.10YoubiSo, next step is CSSU?
21:38.11KotCzarnyyoubi: for future:
21:38.13KotCzarny~bm
21:38.13infobotextra, extra, read all about it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install
21:38.22CatButtsI have this phone just because of nostalgia and its soundbank
21:38.23siceloaLinux: not since google killed their activesync implementation
21:38.24KotCzarnyafter you get your perfect setup, do a backup
21:38.25CatButtsfor midi
21:38.31KotCzarnyyeah, cssu
21:38.33aLinuxsad!
21:38.36DocScrutinizer05Youbi: next is repos
21:38.47DocScrutinizer05~jrrepos 'recommended'
21:38.49YoubiKotCzarny: oh, well, that’s not a big loss for the apps though.
21:38.51KotCzarnydoc, cant cssu installer take care of them?
21:38.54DocScrutinizer05~jrrepos
21:38.54infobot[jrrepos] http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/
21:39.16DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny: it could, prolly even should. But they are "illegal"
21:39.46KotCzarnydoc: seriously, illegal is wrong word. untrusted is better
21:40.00DocScrutinizer05it they were legal, we'd host them on maemo.org, you see?
21:40.02KotCzarnybut i would trust bencoh more than m#
21:40.03KotCzarnym$
21:40.31DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny: here 'illegal' is exactly the right word
21:40.51DocScrutinizer05we must not use them officially
21:41.12KotCzarnythat would explain why i had troubles with cssu installer
21:41.22KotCzarnyand had to fix repos manually
21:41.23DocScrutinizer05we'd get into troubles both the maemo crew and the one who host s the repos
21:41.38sicelowhat are the two of you on about? :p  ... ringtones?
21:41.52DocScrutinizer05sicelo: muarf
21:42.03DocScrutinizer05linenoise
21:42.19sicelowhat's illegal to have in the mirrors?
21:42.42siceloah .. i see now :)
21:42.44DocScrutinizer05don't arhue with us, ask Nokia/M$
21:42.51siceloillegal mirrors ..
21:42.55DocScrutinizer05yep
21:43.12DocScrutinizer05Nokia explicitly forbid we mirror their base repos
21:43.23DocScrutinizer05then they took them down
21:43.28DocScrutinizer05suckers
21:43.44CatButtspew pew pew pew pew
21:43.45siceloon tmo people still have hopes
21:43.53YoubiHum, the jrrepos are very recent
21:43.53DocScrutinizer05bwahaha
21:44.10DocScrutinizer05Youbi: I got them tested, yep
21:44.23DocScrutinizer05~ DocScrutinizer
21:44.24infobothmm... docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko
21:44.50DocScrutinizer05~joerg_rw
21:44.54DocScrutinizer05~joerg
21:44.54infobotit has been said that joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko. Usually known as DocScrutinizer. Initiator of http://neo900.org
21:45.06CatButts~ CatButts
21:45.14CatButtsrip
21:45.29YoubiOk :) Because last time I flashed and updated my n900, I don’t think it existed. (I may be wrong though)
21:45.49DocScrutinizer05nope, those mirrors are "new"
21:47.14YoubiOk, cool to see that things are moving on :)
21:48.09DocScrutinizer05well, for me N(eo)900 literally is my life right now, so...
21:49.26DocScrutinizer05CSSU had a stable release only a few weeks ago it seems
21:50.02DocScrutinizer05I can't tell since I'm using cssu-testing
21:50.13DocScrutinizer05~cssu
21:50.13infobotwell, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
21:50.40DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable#21.2011.38-1Smaemo8_.2810.06.2016.29
21:51.26DocScrutinizer05>> community-ssu-enabler  >>> disables dead nokia repos to prevent installation errors<< \o/
21:53.27YoubiOh, Neo900 is a great project, even though I won’t buy a phone for $1000 :/
21:53.39CatButtssame
21:54.06YoubiArgh, my n900 won’t list my router’s wifi, even if I put it next to the antenna…
21:54.18DocScrutinizer05o.O
21:54.22KotCzarny5ghz?
21:54.28DocScrutinizer05802.11a?
21:54.35KotCzarnycheck if its not set to n-only
21:54.49KotCzarnyor was n900 already bgn?
21:55.02DocScrutinizer05err, good question
21:55.14DocScrutinizer05bg prolly
21:55.37sicelonot n
21:55.43YoubiNo, my router is bgn, not a. But I bet this is because there are too much SSID aroud my flat.
21:55.58DocScrutinizer05hmm, unlikely
21:55.59aLinuxall updates installed
21:55.59aLinux:D
21:56.09KotCzarnystill check if you didnt set it to 5ghz or n-only
21:56.17DocScrutinizer05indeed
21:56.31DocScrutinizer05or install wifi-eye
21:56.32aLinuxrooting now :D
21:56.38DocScrutinizer05lol
21:56.50DocScrutinizer05HAM install rootsh
21:56.51KotCzarnyoh noes, you are voiding your warrantY!
21:57.01DocScrutinizer05X-P
21:57.04aLinuxyes !!! :D
21:57.16YoubiKotCzarny: I’m sure that I didn’t, one of my laptop is 2.4Ghz.
21:57.29Youbi(but maybe n-only, which would be strange)
21:57.35DocScrutinizer05or install wifi-eye, and use it
21:57.35KotCzarnyyoubi: wpa-eap then?
21:57.47YoubiNope
21:57.58DocScrutinizer05hidden SSID?
21:58.01DocScrutinizer05;-P
21:58.07YoubiHum. That may be it.
21:58.09sicelowpa-eap works fine on n900 (depending what you mean exactly thoug :p )
21:58.17YoubiBut. I don’t remember setting it to hidden x)
21:58.31KotCzarnysicelo: some configs had troubles with certs
21:58.39aLinuxdone,replaced repos,installed cssu,updated,root ,rebooted and it works great ^^
21:58.47YoubiRah, those hands are so dumb
21:58.54KotCzarnyyou can disable them
21:58.54DocScrutinizer05~jrtools
21:58.55infobot[jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
21:59.06KotCzarnyhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Slimming_OS
21:59.06sicelobougs error .. certs aren't actually a problem  n900 pops up a dialog to override that
21:59.12YoubiYep I know, I wait for this moment x)
21:59.18sicelo*bogus
21:59.29aLinuxsicelo open cssu and update
21:59.29DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#replace_shaking-hands_video
21:59.50siceloaLinux: why? ;)
22:00.06YoubiOk. Why. I put my SIM card in the phone, and after a reboot the first SSID is mine.
22:00.09siceloi'm on cssu-thumb aLinux
22:00.21aLinuxnvm ^^
22:00.44DocScrutinizer05Youbi: unusual
22:00.52aLinuxwere i can find bounce ?
22:00.53KotCzarnymight be bogus
22:01.11DocScrutinizer05aLinux: bounce?
22:01.14aLinuxyes
22:01.20sicelothe game
22:01.20DocScrutinizer05an app?
22:01.21aLinuxthe game,that was in ovi store
22:01.23DocScrutinizer05aah
22:01.28DocScrutinizer05~pkgs
22:01.28infoboti heard #maemo pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/
22:01.49DocScrutinizer05ooh ovi store
22:01.59siceloisn't there .. look in the muarf/maemo-repos.com mirrors
22:01.59DocScrutinizer05that's a tad tricky then
22:02.12sicelothere are also debs in the wild
22:02.13KotCzarnyhttp://maemo.linenoise.info/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle1.2/ovi/bounce_1.0.1_armel.deb
22:02.27aLinuxPackage has been removed
22:02.27DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny to the rescue :-)
22:02.36aLinuxthank you
22:02.54DocScrutinizer05download and dpkg -i
22:03.19DocScrutinizer05some claim it also works by clicking on *.deb in browser
22:03.29DocScrutinizer05never did for me
22:03.29siceloit does :p
22:03.31KotCzarnyyes, it should install the pkg
22:03.34aLinuxohh man the link is so long...
22:03.34siceloeven file manager
22:03.49KotCzarnyalinux: open channel log on n900's browser
22:03.56KotCzarnythen click the link mayb
22:03.57KotCzarnye
22:03.59DocScrutinizer05sicelo: yes, *locally* it works
22:04.24DocScrutinizer05http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog
22:04.47KotCzarnyalinux: http://tiny.pl/g9snq
22:05.04aLinuxsweet thank you
22:05.06DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny to the rescue :-) AGAIN!
22:05.24KotCzarnybut seriously, installed root, but not ssh?
22:05.34DocScrutinizer05hahaha
22:06.08DocScrutinizer05does a few silly things in his ssh session to IroN900 on PC
22:06.10KotCzarnyits one of the biggest points of n900 vs droid
22:06.39DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# uptime
22:06.40DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
22:06.57KotCzarnyooh
22:07.01KotCzarnyits after midnight
22:07.04KotCzarnysleepy time folks
22:07.12DocScrutinizer05breakfast time folks
22:07.19siceloKotCzarny: UTC+2?
22:07.33KotCzarnyand if you ever find builtin media player too clicky, remember, there are oldskool alternatives
22:07.37KotCzarnysicelo: yeah
22:07.47sicelosame here :)
22:08.02DocScrutinizer05cmd: Fr 19. Aug 00:08:01 CEST 2016
22:08.04KotCzarnynah, your time sone is utc+2+6months
22:08.17DocScrutinizer05JRTZV here
22:08.23DocScrutinizer05and always
22:08.26DocScrutinizer05~ugt
22:08.26infobotmethinks ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
22:08.51YoubiI guess once I installed the jrrepos, I have to update?
22:09.06DocScrutinizer05can't hurt
22:09.25DocScrutinizer05though those repos are unchanged since 2011
22:09.59YoubiHum. On the web page it said Apr. 2016
22:09.59DocScrutinizer05make sure you disable maemo-extras-testing catalog though!
22:10.27DocScrutinizer05err sorry
22:10.35DocScrutinizer05make sure you disable maemo-extras-DEVEL catalog though!
22:10.45aLinuxwhat is the default sudo password ?
22:10.52DocScrutinizer05none
22:10.58aLinuxsudo passwd ?
22:11.00aLinuxto change it ?
22:11.05YoubiJuste use the root pkg to get root
22:11.29DocScrutinizer05`sudo gainroot`, or rather `root`
22:11.54DocScrutinizer05also see ~jrtools
22:12.45YoubiHum. The repos list takes a while to load. Is there a way to edit it in CLI?
22:13.24DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#.22root.22_your_device  and  "# fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot" in http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#random_stuff_to_config_.2F_fix_.27things.27_.28c.26p_to_shell.29
22:13.40DocScrutinizer05Youbi: strongly deprecated
22:14.10YoubiHum, ok. I’m looking for apt process.
22:14.52DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/session-log_enable-catalogs_README.txt  http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs
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22:16.30aLinuxsweet.. i just played bounce :D its just like i remember it..
22:17.42aLinuxso what do you guys do with n900 in 2016 ?
22:17.50YoubiDocScrutinizer05: should I run the commands that are in the README?
22:18.15DocScrutinizer05Youbi: look into the script http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs, it has a help
22:18.22fishbulbaLinux, I try to keep it working
22:18.48fishbulbit's an 8 year old phone and most apps that are compatible with the rest of the world don't function anymore
22:19.07DocScrutinizer05terse howto: enable-catalogs save FOO; enable-catalogs FOO (to restore)
22:20.11DocScrutinizer05aLinux: IRC, ssh, occasional browsing of "lightweight" webpages, *phone*...
22:20.26YoubiHum. I get it, but now that I have the jrrepos, won’t it be a problem?
22:20.33DocScrutinizer05Fahrplan (still works like a charm)
22:21.00DocScrutinizer05Youbi: nope, you save current config to restore it later on
22:21.31DocScrutinizer05I got "all" (with extres-devel et al) and "basic" which is plain for updates etc
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22:22.36DocScrutinizer05so to install ACME-of-extras-devel app I do `update-catalogs all`, rhen I install, then  `update-catalogs basic`
22:23.23YoubiOk, so you won’t update the whole system with *-devel releases, right?
22:23.35DocScrutinizer05I created those two saved settings using HAM 'catalogs' to enable/disable stuff as needed, then `enable-catalogs save basic`
22:23.42DocScrutinizer05right
22:24.08YoubiOk, maybe I should install sshd first to access my phone and run commands easily
22:24.20DocScrutinizer05s/`update-catalogs / `enable-catalogs /
22:24.31DocScrutinizer05yes!! :-D
22:25.02DocScrutinizer05this is soooo awesome to talk to your phone with decent monitor and kbd
22:25.10Youbiyep ^^
22:25.16DocScrutinizer05whike phone is next room actually
22:25.33DocScrutinizer05WiFi FTW
22:25.33YoubiWell. First I have to install sshd, and HAM is taking its time to load the pkg list…
22:25.54DocScrutinizer05then you don't have speedyHAM yet?
22:26.02DocScrutinizer05aka CSSU
22:26.07YoubiI guess not. I just clicked on the link to jrrepos
22:26.16DocScrutinizer05aaah, install CSSU
22:26.42YoubiOk, I was wondering if I may have missed something --"
22:26.50DocScrutinizer05RTFM! it's easy to miss the important second half of CSSU installation
22:27.05DocScrutinizer05~cssu
22:27.05infobotmethinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
22:27.17DocScrutinizer05recommends cssu-testing
22:27.38YoubiYep, I think that was I was using before my battery died.
22:27.54DocScrutinizer05but that's up to you, particularly now thta we have a recent cssu-stable again
22:28.22DocScrutinizer05*needs* breakfast now
22:28.25DocScrutinizer05BBL
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22:32.28YoubiIs backup menu the stock app for backups?
22:33.35YoubiOh no. Well. I have to install it so.
22:35.59DocScrutinizer05~bm
22:36.00infobotbackupmenu is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install
22:37.07DocScrutinizer05I almost think the day my server goes south, maemo is dead X-P
22:37.32YoubiYep, I think too :D
22:37.49YoubiOk well, I remember that I canceled the install because… I’m dumb?
22:37.50DocScrutinizer05~listvalues http://maemo.cloud-7.de/
22:38.43DocScrutinizer05o.O
22:38.52DocScrutinizer05~unplug-usb
22:38.53infobotit has been said that unplug-usb is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140721_002.mp4
22:39.49bencohDocScrutinizer05: naah, we still have TMO and wiki ;)
22:39.49Youbi“Set new root password” Oo
22:39.57YoubiOk phone, I’ll do it.
22:40.07DocScrutinizer05installing sshd
22:40.09bencohnew root password?!
22:40.22bencohI dont remember mine asking me that, but ...
22:40.26YoubiOh, ok. That’s great ^^
22:40.27DocScrutinizer05it does
22:40.42bencohDocScrutinizer05: is it the user password?
22:40.52DocScrutinizer05nope, root
22:41.02DocScrutinizer05as the requester gives away :-)
22:41.03YoubiI don’t know what is the exact error message in english, but the update of backup-menu was aborted
22:41.16DocScrutinizer05~bm
22:41.16infobotsomebody said backupmenu was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install
22:41.59YoubiYep I did it with BM.install
22:42.04DocScrutinizer05there's a repo issue with BM
22:42.43DocScrutinizer05should get handled in http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install
22:43.44DocScrutinizer05there's a "details" tab when there's an install error in HAM
22:44.27DocScrutinizer05actually it's also moderately safe to root-run apt-get install backupmenu
22:44.57DocScrutinizer05however when the command doesn't return, check for requesters on your phone's screen ;-)
22:45.49DocScrutinizer05is slightly puzzled
22:45.55DocScrutinizer05I tested http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install
22:47.06YoubiI try to run it again, but it just open HAM.
22:47.52bencohhm I never paid attention, but we dont use shadow on n900
22:47.57bencohwonder why
22:48.21YoubiOh, minimized/maximized the HAM window and here we go
22:48.36YoubiOk, still the error with backupmenu upgrade…
22:51.30YoubiWell, apt-worker is not running, I’m rebooting in case it might fix things…
22:51.48YoubiOk O.O
22:51.52YoubiBOOT MENU on boot
22:53.58bencohYoubi: is that a fresh install/reflash btw?
22:54.15YoubiYep, I did it one hour ago
22:54.24bencohthen why bother with backup?
22:54.47YoubiWell… You’re right x)
22:55.44DocScrutinizer05because Youbi is a good user who actually reads and listens to instructions :-)
22:56.19bencohhuhu
22:56.30YoubiBut well, in this case I will be a bad user :Þ
22:56.36bencohI've never been too good with "sticking to the instructions"
22:56.40bencoh:)
22:56.56YoubiBut this is still strange, I don’t have root access, I have the setuid error
22:57.04DocScrutinizer05bencoh: we checked the passwd/shadow etc situation a few years ago, was a PITA to get anything fixed since several libs and messybox are not compiled with the right options to support something sane. Then OTOH this isn't really a multiuser system anyway
22:57.18bencohDocScrutinizer05: true, true
22:57.38bencohit's just ... silly and shitty not to have shadow passwd on a "modern" unix :)
22:58.30DocScrutinizer05etc/shadow is just to avoid disclosing password hashes in etc/password to rogue *local* users
22:59.10DocScrutinizer05anyway changing this deatail would break compatibilty to stock system
23:00.21DocScrutinizer05rather make sure your external access to device (particularly via WLAN ssh) is tighly secured
23:00.34DocScrutinizer05no paswordless access!
23:00.43YoubiIs there a tool like ifconfig to know the network config of the phone?
23:00.58DocScrutinizer05I configured mine so it pnly accepts pubkey auth
23:01.10Youbipasswordless but DSA key compulsory?
23:01.13DocScrutinizer05yes, it's called ... ifconfig ;-)
23:01.29YoubiOh, it’s not in my $PATH /o\
23:01.42DocScrutinizer05you're not root?
23:01.54DocScrutinizer05or your root PATH is broken?
23:02.00YoubiNope I’m not.
23:02.26YoubiNo I am, via ssh only
23:02.49DocScrutinizer05I'm logging in via ssh to root
23:03.14DocScrutinizer05first and only command in ash (messybox) history: root
23:03.18DocScrutinizer05err
23:03.22DocScrutinizer05first and only command in ash (messybox) history: bash
23:03.33Youbi:D
23:03.35DocScrutinizer05bash sets proper PATH etc
23:03.50DocScrutinizer05~jrtools
23:03.50infobotextra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
23:03.56YoubiRah. “Operation failed” when HAM open after I’ve clicked on testing CSSU…
23:04.20DocScrutinizer05o.O
23:04.43YoubiNokia-N900:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list
23:04.46YoubiNokia-N900:~#
23:04.48YoubiAha…
23:04.56bencohYoubi: sources.list.d
23:04.57DocScrutinizer05that's a bug you should report and have it get fixed
23:05.04YoubiOh well.
23:05.25DocScrutinizer05/etc/apt/sources.list  is *supposed* to be empty
23:05.46YoubiOh, the hildon sources.list does contain the muarf repos.
23:05.58DocScrutinizer05don't mess with editing those source-lst files manually!
23:06.21DocScrutinizer05HAM has its own ideas how stuff works there
23:06.27DocScrutinizer05see enable-catalogs
23:06.59YoubiYep, I didn’t edit the source.list files ^^
23:07.19DocScrutinizer05just a heads-up
23:07.39YoubiThe HAM logs tell me something though
23:08.20DocScrutinizer05here are a few very common mistakes users to when messing with maemo: apt-get upgrade, enabling extras-devel catalog, and editing sources.list
23:08.58DocScrutinizer05maemo basically is debian, but *very* special packaging and tools
23:09.13Youbihttps://dpaste.de/diUY/raw The HAM logs
23:09.39DocScrutinizer05apt-worker: too weak to get lock from 1993. WUT??
23:09.57DocScrutinizer05NFC
23:10.03DocScrutinizer05never seen this before
23:10.05YoubiYep, that’s strange.
23:10.22YoubiHum. I may charge my phone and flash it again
23:11.09DocScrutinizer05are you running cssu-stable?
23:11.14Youbihttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59387
23:11.18YoubiNope
23:13.30YoubiOk, that was just caused by the strength of my wifi signal
23:14.08DocScrutinizer05ok
23:14.29DocScrutinizer05don't check apt-worker, it should not need any user attention
23:15.02DocScrutinizer05just because you said someting about "apt-worker not running" before
23:15.22YoubiSo now HAM seems to be running the CSSU install, as opening the log display an error message telling me to wait for the running operation to finish.
23:15.54DocScrutinizer05rtfm
23:16.04DocScrutinizer05:-)
23:16.14YoubiYep, I have to wait :3
23:16.32DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation
23:17.19DocScrutinizer05point 3. is pretty obsolete now with the dead nokia repos
23:17.48DocScrutinizer05last time I tried to edit the wiki to fix this, I ran into a "dis-full" error on the servers
23:17.53DocScrutinizer05disk
23:18.34Youbiit's recommended you never disable the core Nokia SSU repositories.
23:18.36YoubiAha
23:18.49DocScrutinizer05>>it's recommended you never disable the core Nokia SSU repositories.<< is incorrect, obsoleted by 1.
23:19.04YoubiA new wiki with fresh info would be great ^^
23:19.23DocScrutinizer05a 'new wiki' will have zilch info ;-)
23:21.03DocScrutinizer05fixed
23:22.18Youbizilch ?
23:24.11DocScrutinizer05zero
23:24.16DocScrutinizer05none
23:24.43DocScrutinizer05purpose of a wiki is to stay, not get replaced by a new one
23:25.00DocScrutinizer05you update wikis
23:26.37YoubiHum. Well, I get your point.
23:30.13DocScrutinizer05tries to finally go AFK and BBL
23:30.21YoubiSo CSSU are community updates, and jrrepos are repository with cool stuff you maintain?
23:30.26YoubiAha x)
23:31.05DocScrutinizer05jrrepos is just a install file for oneclick I provided. The repos are muarf and linenoise - 'illegal' mirrors of Nokia
23:31.42YoubiOh, ok. And then CSSU add repositories with community-made packages?
23:31.43DocScrutinizer05CSSU are the LTE community project to continue what Nokia's SSU did
23:32.28DocScrutinizer05fixing packages that are usually supposed to be found in Nokia/linenoise/muarf
23:33.10DocScrutinizer05we can't even patch/update the 'illegal' mirrors since they still use the original nokia checksums etc
23:33.34DocScrutinizer05and CSSU got invented when Nokia repos still alive
23:34.10DocScrutinizer05basically CSSU does what Nokia did when Nokia was alive and supported maemo
23:34.22YoubiOk, I think I get it all :)
23:34.27DocScrutinizer05while extras are real community contributions
23:34.34YoubiI wish I could improve the SMS app this way
23:35.54YoubiBut why did Nokia needed to make SSU, while they could have just updated the official Nokia repositories?
23:35.59DocScrutinizer05you could, if there's a bug or highly desirable feature addon, and you can actually create a 100% identical replacement with that bugfix/improvement for the original SMS blob
23:36.35DocScrutinizer05SSU is basically based on Nokia repos
23:37.19DocScrutinizer05it's just maemo is one *huge* metapackage
23:37.46YoubiHum, that’s not a surprise ^^
23:37.46DocScrutinizer05so for updates of a singe package they used SSU instead of rolling a new revision
23:38.14YoubiIt makes sense, thank you for explaining it to me :)
23:38.34DocScrutinizer05it's not 100% accurate what I tried to explain, but close enough
23:39.20DocScrutinizer05btw this is also the reason why a apt-get (dist-)upgrade is not really a bright idea
23:39.53DocScrutinizer05CSSU rolls new metapackages
23:40.29fishbulbI deleted the dictionary files and that didn't remove anything
23:40.52fishbulbdo I delete the other files too
23:41.10DocScrutinizer05apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr
23:41.35DocScrutinizer05Youbi: ^^^
23:42.13YoubiWow, all those packages just for maemo
23:42.48DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# apt-cache search mp-fremantle
23:43.37YoubiW: GPG error: http://maemo.muarf.org ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546
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23:43.48DocScrutinizer05ignore it
23:43.51YoubiI get this when trying to update tar-gnu and backupmenu
23:44.00Youbiapt-worker: Ignoring version from wrong domain: mediaplayer-l10n-ptpt 6.0+r7987+0m5
23:44.02Youbiapt-worker:   /var/lib/apt/lists/maemo.muarf.org_apt-mirror_mirror_downloads.maemo.nokia.com_fremantle_ssu_mr0_._Packages
23:44.04YoubiAnd this, a lot.
23:44.24YoubiBut the tar-gnu and backup-menu update fails, I thought it may be related
23:45.05DocScrutinizer05you *may* set system date to 2011 to stop all that "KEYEXPIRED" shit
23:45.19DocScrutinizer05but it's only warnings
23:45.31YoubiOk, so it may not compromise the update
23:45.50DocScrutinizer05"W:"
23:46.25DocScrutinizer05>>apt-worker: Ignoring version from wrong domain:<< is prolly just diagnostic
23:46.52YoubiHum… So the logs won’t help me to find the problem with my updates
23:47.10DocScrutinizer05when there are problems, the logs should help
23:49.26YoubiIhttps://dpaste.de/LuRb/raw Oh, there it is
23:50.06Youbihttps://dpaste.de/LuRb/raw *
23:50.32DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/74374094
23:51.51DocScrutinizer05yeah, that looks like a problem in postinst, or rather a file missing
23:52.37YoubiBut I can’t uninstall those packages, there are deps x)
23:53.17DocScrutinizer05the /usr/share/doc/tar-gnu file prolly got nuked by docpurge already, no idea why optify wants to mv it
23:53.33DocScrutinizer05>/usr/share/doc/tar-gnu
23:53.35DocScrutinizer05done
23:54.02DocScrutinizer05looks like a weird bug in tar-gnu
23:54.57DocScrutinizer05>/usr/share/doc/tar-gnu && apt-get install tar-gnu
23:55.08DocScrutinizer05FFS it's needed by BM
23:55.12YoubiSo apt-get install may be safe in some usecases?
23:55.17DocScrutinizer05yes
23:55.20YoubiOk :)
23:55.31YoubiYep I think that’s why it was installed
23:55.47DocScrutinizer05actually it's mostly safe, but sometimes not, and it's not really simple to tell when it's not
23:56.32YoubiOk, so running apt-get install tar-gnu did fix backup menu too
23:56.44DocScrutinizer05actually tar should _not_ get optified at all, since needed by BM
23:57.13YoubiOh :/
23:57.24DocScrutinizer05you know, maemo has this incredible unbearable brainfuck called optification
23:57.28YoubiShould I install BM again, or not?
23:57.30DocScrutinizer05~optification
23:57.31infobotoptification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR,  http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3"
23:57.59YoubiAha, yeah, /usr to eMMC would be great.
23:58.29DocScrutinizer05try apt-get install backupmenu
23:58.32DocScrutinizer05can't hurt
23:58.42YoubiNo need to do that, now it’s up to date.
23:59.18DocScrutinizer05don't forget to disable catalogs! I guess some 'nasty' ones are installed and enabled now
23:59.36DocScrutinizer05enable-catalogs would come in handy ;-)

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