IRC log for #maemo on 20160816

00:00.53DocScrutinizer05in firefox I see same effect/issue, and the only wiki.maemo.org cookie mediawiki_mw__session has a different content than before in konqueror
00:13.11DocScrutinizer05re cookies:   www.heavens-above.com ""                   "/"          1497924146    0 preferences          4    satMagLimit=3.0
00:13.24DocScrutinizer05plus a 140kB more of that
00:14.57DocScrutinizer05sure you can delete all that any time, 'just' a question of convenience
00:19.13DocScrutinizer05the nasty stuff right now is: KDE has some process in all running browser windows that rewrites the ~/.kde4/share/apps/kcookiejar/cookies file each time I open a page which sets cookies, so no matter how often I cp or cat > the file, it always gets deleted again :-((
00:19.41DocScrutinizer05I don't get it
00:20.34DocScrutinizer05lsof fails, many many thanks to friggin systemd  http://paste.opensuse.org/86306736
00:32.20DocScrutinizer05in case you wonder about those friggin cookies: kcookiejar4 --shutdown did the trick, now all cookies show up in a newly opened konqueror again
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06:54.40warfarewiki issue should be fixed now. Disk ran full, strangely no icinga alert.
06:57.54chem|stwarfare: ta
06:58.42chem|stDocScrutinizer51: freaking systemd? freaking kde!
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07:48.48sicelo:p
08:01.11DocScrutinizer05huh? how has >>lsof: WARNING: can't stat() cgroup file system /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd<< to do with KDE?
08:05.07DocScrutinizer05warfare: thanks a lot
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08:08.25DocScrutinizer05chem|st: I could have said "friggin cgroups" but cgroups would be fine if not fubared by systemd
08:09.10DocScrutinizer05KDE definitely unrelated
08:11.11enyc;p
08:11.28DocScrutinizer05though I wouldn't argue which is worse, KDE or systemd
08:11.44enyc;p
08:11.52enycuse Devuan and MATE instead ? ;-)
08:15.47DocScrutinizer05migration is what stopped me from doing so
08:16.30DocScrutinizer05if it wasn't for avoiding migration effort, I had abandoned KDE with the advent of KDE4
08:17.02DocScrutinizer05actaully that would have been the better choice, rather than migrating kde3->kde4
08:19.14DocScrutinizer05there's stuff like windows-hotkeys that *still* doesn't work yet in kde4 like it did in kde3
08:20.23DocScrutinizer05in kde3 I had my kmail on meta+M. In kde4 this works antil next X11 restart or dunno when it silently forgets that stuff
08:20.32DocScrutinizer05until*
08:21.48DocScrutinizer05actually faster forgotten than by X11 restart, the latter only happens 3 times a year, but kde forgets windows-hotkeys after a few days
08:22.08DocScrutinizer05maybe on app restart, read: window close
08:22.45DocScrutinizer05maybe that isn't *meant* to be persistent across window-close and re-open ;-P
08:41.31chem|stsuch first-world-problems
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08:49.57KotCzarnyseriously, using inferior clunky programs and complaining here?
08:50.04KotCzarnythat rand should go to #kde
08:50.07KotCzarny*rant
08:51.05KotCzarnynot to mention systemd, you know that in a few updates you might be forced to REINSTALL os because there would be no other easy way to fuck off the systemd out of the system?
08:52.02KotCzarnyon a lighter note, oscp just got adplug tunes support. they sound sooo sweet
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09:12.16zGrryeah, systemd. i am seriously considering to migrate my desktop back to FreeBSD
09:12.32KotCzarnyzgrr, just use slackware/gentoo/devuan
09:13.11zGrri do not like slackware.
09:13.15zGrrgentoo maybe.
09:13.26KotCzarnydepending what's your favourite os handling way
09:14.10KotCzarnyslack is for hardcores, gentoo is for 'recompile everything' people, and devuan is your usual 'just make it easy, but we cant promise you wont be f*cked up by dependencies' folks
09:14.29Wizzuprecompile everything luckily doesn't take any of my time :)
09:14.32Wizzuponly cpu time
09:14.51KotCzarnywizzup, its a nice way to use custom gcc flags
09:14.58KotCzarnyor config options
09:15.07KotCzarnythough slack is very close to it too
09:15.41WizzupNobody in their right mind does that (custom gcc flags)
09:15.53Wizzupstop reading funroll-loops.info ;-)
09:15.55KotCzarnypah, missed opportunity
09:15.56KotCzarny;)
09:16.08Wizzupyou get the freedom to do it, doesn't mean it's stupid
09:16.31KotCzarnyyes, that's what i had in mind when describing as 'recompile everything'
09:17.04KotCzarnybut one usually gets around just recompiling glibc, as its mostly used bunch of calls
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09:21.32jonwilhi
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09:24.49Wizzuphello jonwil
09:27.26jonwilMy god reverse engineering weird audio codecs is a nightmare :(
09:29.46Wizzupyou're working on the PA stuff?
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09:30.18jonwilNo, its not N900 related :P
09:30.30jonwilIts a funky audio codec from a game :)
09:30.45Wizzup:)
09:31.09KotCzarnythats why RE is also funky
09:31.38jonwilAnything involving MPEG stuff automatically qualifies as "funky"
09:31.44bencohnah :)
09:31.48bencohnot that much
09:32.09bencoh(well, agreed, a bit :p)
09:32.40jonwilThe format I am working on is a format that's similar to MP3 but its not MP3
09:32.42jonwilso its based on MP3
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13:23.15Vajbis anyone interested upgrading pidgin in maemo, so it would be possible to send files via xmmp?
13:42.25siceloping the maintainer on tmo .. he's very helpful usually
13:44.45bencoh<PROTECTED>
13:44.47bencohwoops
13:45.22sicelobencoh: 666? :p
13:47.15bencohsicelo: I hope I'll never have that many irssi windows ;)
13:47.40KotCzarnyo.O
13:47.48KotCzarny66 chat windows?
13:47.49KotCzarnymadness!
13:47.59KotCzarnyhas 1
13:49.47siceloKotCzarny: how many channels in that windows?
13:49.56sicelo*window ... <== KotCzarny
13:49.57KotCzarny4
13:54.13siceloi tried doing split windows in irssi ... concept is a little difficult :p
13:54.27bencohsplit window is ... bleh
13:55.23siceloit's only nice if the chat is fast in the channels and you want to keep track in realtime
13:55.57KotCzarnyi usually part busy channels when im done asking questions
13:56.54KotCzarnyand having everything rolling without the need to switch windows is nice
14:00.41KotCzarnydid i mantion that adlib modules sound sweet?
14:00.50siceloyes, lol
14:00.54KotCzarny:)
14:01.20KotCzarnythey are the definition of electronic music
14:01.24KotCzarnyall synth
14:11.20KotCzarnybuzz, are you buzz-the-modland-admin?
14:15.02buZzno
14:15.08buZzat least , dont think so
14:15.19buZzKotCzarny: i'm easy to spot with the capitalization of first Z
14:16.05KotCzarnyis irc case sensitive?
14:16.13KotCzarnynope.
14:28.40buZzall good things in live are case sensitive
14:28.45buZzlife*
14:29.23buZzmodland.net -> search -> buzz -> 0 hits
14:29.42buZzhttp://www.modland.net/user/buzz/ <- 404 even
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15:21.13bencohoh wow, I completely forgot about stable release from june <3
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16:07.07sixwheeledbeastI think I will be switching to Devuan and MATE upon a stable release. I'd prefer MATE over the current default XFCE.
16:08.24KotCzarnybeauty of the old setups is that you can mix and match different software
16:08.48KotCzarnywith systemd/gnome cancer its not the case anymore
16:10.10L29Ahsystemd/gnome cancer ≠ new setups
16:10.49L29Ahthere are several mainstream distros that provide you with either option
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16:27.18DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: full ack, me too
16:29.37sixwheeledbeastMATE seems the obvious DE for long term Debian users IMO, unless they liked the look of GNOME3
16:30.07KotCzarnygnome3 was more touch friendly, but ugly for mouse
16:30.49bencohor you could just avoid using any DE :*
16:31.02KotCzarnyconsole is still DE :P
16:31.26KotCzarnyas ripped out walls are still walls
16:50.14zGrrWhat touch friendliness is good for if you cant get Linux compatible touch devices anyway?
16:50.37KotCzarnywishful thinking? cargo cult?
16:50.47L29Ahcan't i?
16:50.59L29Ahi've seen several guys with touch displays on laptops and linux
16:51.11KotCzarnyseriously
16:51.13zGrrIf you try REALLLLLY hard you can.
16:51.14KotCzarnywho uses that
16:51.18L29Ahthis looked horribly unusable but they insist it's comfortable
16:51.44KotCzarnyit was only acceptable in convertible tablet/laptop configurations
16:52.02KotCzarny(thinkpad x41t etc)
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16:53.08zGrrI think, those who introduced this shit into Linux world were just parroting Windows touch obsession, which obviously failed.
16:53.35KotCzarnywasnt gnome windoze copycat since beginning?
16:53.53KotCzarnybut it was usable around gnome2
16:53.59KotCzarnygnome3 was utter shit
16:54.19zGrrSo we are stucked to dysfunctional, unergonomic user interface.
16:54.24KotCzarnybring xeroxpark labs again into mainstream!
16:55.10zGrractually i loved SunOS OpenLook.
16:55.12KotCzarnyzgrr, you want which display ratio with that? ;)
16:55.20zGrrback in old days.
16:55.36KotCzarnyi like fluxbox, small, fast, functional
16:55.58zGrrthey for whatever reason switched to ugly as shit CDE and Motif.
16:56.43zGrrI never liked Gnome.
16:57.02zGrrIt was unstable at the beginning and ugly at the end.
16:57.48zGrrIt is a shame to see that Linux has become, what it always hated.
16:58.28zGrrBloated
16:58.43zGrrUser unconfigurable.
16:58.49KotCzarnymine still is
16:59.05zGrrand now, with systemd.
16:59.14KotCzarnynot mine.
17:00.04zGrrI don't even have enough spare time to resist.
17:02.12zGrrtime to go home.
17:02.17zGrrbye
17:02.21KotCzarny:)
17:02.33KotCzarnyzgrr, its quite easy
17:02.36sicelokde5 *is* windows
17:02.42siceloi'm using it ...
17:05.47siceloactually when i installed it, for a moment i had to be sure if i was still running linux, as the 'user' icon is exactly this one: http://www.troublefixers.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Interactive-logon-when-enabled.jpg
17:07.04siceloKotCzarny: was language is oscp written in?
17:08.13KotCzarnyc
17:09.17KotCzarnyroot@opipc:/1/_src/oscp# cat *.c|wc -l
17:09.17KotCzarny59285
17:09.24KotCzarnyalmost 60k lines of code
17:09.42KotCzarnyprobably twice-thrice as much after running through indent
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17:56.41sicelore: kde - this is it! can't stand any more issues with failure to connect to wifi. so, removing kde5
17:57.24KotCzarny:>
17:57.41KotCzarnyi got fed with all those wifi managers
17:57.50KotCzarnyand just wrote single script
17:58.05KotCzarnythat scans available networks, then just connects to one from predefined ones
17:58.28sicelonever had issue in gnome at all .. kde5 has some problem with losing passwords .. have to retype them
17:59.00siceloi'll try MATE just now perhaps
17:59.18sicelotbh, kde is fine ... but this is too much
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18:04.15fishbulbhow is the autocomplete edited?
18:04.57fishbulb"autocomplete editor" doesn't appear in the repos anymore
18:05.04sicelocomplicated. use the application .. autocomp edit
18:05.13sicelohmm, i installed it from them
18:05.31fishbulbit doesn't appear
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18:08.27fishbulbcan you check which repo it's in?
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18:09.40Sicelo009Ndevel
18:10.03Sicelo009Ngoes to vote for it
18:10.43fishbulbok that's why
18:10.45fishbulbthanks
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18:18.23fishbulbunknown dictionary
18:18.37fishbulban unknown dictionary ID has been found
18:19.08fishbulbI'm using english.
18:22.53fishbulbdoesn't work with any version of english
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18:23.29KotCzarnymaybe your version of maemo was pirated
18:24.25fishbulbha: ha.
18:27.35siceloKotCzarny: /me likes, haha
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18:47.08KotCzarnysicelo, still want that igo stowaway kb?
18:55.37siceloKotCzarny: i am interested, sure
18:56.17KotCzarnyto which country would the package have to go?
18:56.34KotCzarnyand what would be the cheapest option
18:58.08sicelosouth africa.
18:58.22sicelono idea about what options :-/
18:58.43KotCzarnydo you have any trip plans to .eu or have someone who would do such trip?
18:59.36sicelomyself no. i will ask around
18:59.45sicelowhere in EU are you btw?
18:59.54KotCzarny.pl
19:00.03KotCzarnybut any european address would do
19:00.30sicelookay. will let you know
19:00.33KotCzarnyk
19:00.45KotCzarnybecause i've found that kb and willing to send it
19:05.02sicelo:)
19:05.15siceloi am sure i'll work something out
19:13.02KotCzarnymy local post carrier says ~15usd, so if you find anything cheaper, shout
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19:15.06sicelothat's for South Africa?
19:15.08KotCzarnyfor pkg. when sending as 'letter' its ~3usd
19:15.18siceloor EU?
19:15.20KotCzarnyfor the whole africa
19:17.06KotCzarnywill probably get around and send it as regular letter
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19:17.20KotCzarnyhow big is the risk it will get missing on the way?
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19:18.23siceloSA postal service has been rather bad for last few years sadly
19:18.50siceloto the point that many international/online retailers no longer send items this way, lol
19:19.27KotCzarnyso it's either registered package or high risk of not reaching the destination
19:19.31KotCzarny:)
19:19.59sicelounfortunately :(
19:22.24KotCzarnylet me know if you find anyone, otherwise i will send it via post
19:34.03sicelogive me a couple of days.
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