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| 10:24.31 | fishbulb | hey I'm having trouble with the bluetooth connection between my tablet and this new handset I just put together |
| 10:24.52 | KotCzarny | ~pan |
| 10:24.53 | infobot | somebody said pan was https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN |
| 10:25.15 | fishbulb | honestly I don't want another phone, I just put togehter an n900 which is virtually new, but it's still basically a text/call/gps device and sometimes internet, it's rough trying to respond or read emails and stuff |
| 10:25.42 | fishbulb | is pan the one where it doesn't use as much battery? |
| 10:29.34 | fishbulb | no I need to connect my android tablet to the n900 for data |
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| 10:30.57 | fishbulb | could someone PLEASE help me out |
| 10:33.14 | fishbulb | I'm running CSSU |
| 10:33.44 | fishbulb | also the linenoise and muarf repos don't contain all the stuff |
| 10:34.39 | fishbulb | unless they're conflicting with each other, I tried just the linenoise repos, and just the muarf ones, I couldn't find a lot of the software I used to use like the dictionary autocorrect thing or... really anything else, FMMS even wasn't there, I'm wondering if they're all in some dev repo? |
| 10:35.15 | fishbulb | please I am ready to do all that's necessary right now, I just got home from several hours on trains, could someone help |
| 10:35.56 | KotCzarny | 1/ use either muarf OR linenoise, they are the same mirrors |
| 10:36.10 | KotCzarny | 2/ quite a bit of software is in extras |
| 10:36.20 | fishbulb | where is extras? |
| 10:36.40 | KotCzarny | 3/ extras-devel has even more, BUT! only enable it to install package, then disable it |
| 10:36.44 | fishbulb | almost all of what I need is in extras, I don't need mirrors for standard nokia shit |
| 10:36.48 | fishbulb | I know that |
| 10:36.57 | fishbulb | where are those repos now though? |
| 10:37.03 | KotCzarny | ... |
| 10:37.20 | KotCzarny | read the repos wiki page again |
| 10:37.26 | fishbulb | where? |
| 10:38.50 | fishbulb | please, please help with this PAN, my android tablet is wifi/bluetooth only, I need to connect it to the data and wifi kills the n900 battery in a VERY short time |
| 10:39.04 | fishbulb | and it's WEP and ad-hoc only |
| 10:39.32 | fishbulb | ~repos |
| 10:39.32 | infobot | it has been said that repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories, or see ~jrrepos |
| 10:42.10 | fishbulb | do you use these extras and extras testing on CSSU? |
| 10:43.45 | fishbulb | CAN YOU FUCKING HELP PLEASE |
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| 11:38.29 | Wizzup | do you still need beagleboard xM's? |
| 11:38.32 | Wizzup | er |
| 11:38.34 | Wizzup | wrong channel |
| 11:45.35 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 14:02.23 | sicelo | fishbulb ... PEBKAC! |
| 14:03.27 | sicelo | use only one set of repos at a time ... the N900 should handle having all, i guess, but it will obviously take very long to update repo information |
| 14:03.48 | sicelo | just follow the steps that KotCzarny and others give |
| 14:07.23 | KotCzarny | sicelo, he apparently asks the same questions everyday, hoping for new answer maybe? |
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| 14:30.13 | fishbulb | what same questions every day |
| 14:30.32 | fishbulb | maemo is your life |
| 14:30.54 | fishbulb | notmine |
| 14:45.56 | sicelo | ~ask |
| 14:45.56 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 14:46.13 | sicelo | always loved the last sentence :p |
| 15:06.45 | _maniac_ | "Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic." -- pick any two |
| 15:07.16 | Humpelstilzchen | comma before and? |
| 15:11.13 | jnc | Yes! |
| 15:12.47 | KotCzarny | yes, and? |
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| 17:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | fishbulb starts to annoy |
| 17:38.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fishbulb is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:22:18 |
| 17:38.06 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 17:40.40 | KotCzarny | he doesnt do what he is told |
| 17:40.50 | KotCzarny | that's the main problem |
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| 17:50.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-08-11 Thu 17:23:37] <DocScrutinizer05> that fishbulb, tztztz <DocScrutinizer05> always so "I want that, and I want it now! and no, I won't do it the way you suggest, I want it *my* way" |
| 17:51.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then such BS like [2016-08-15 Mon 16:30:32] <fishbulb> maemo is your life [2016-08-15 Mon 16:30:54] <fishbulb> notmine |
| 17:52.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that was true then STFU |
| 17:52.43 | L29Ah | MAEMO IS LIFE |
| 17:52.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo's answer '~ask' was exactly to the point |
| 17:54.55 | Wizzup | L29Ah: :D |
| 17:55.10 | L29Ah | Wizzup: how's your gentoo? :3 |
| 17:55.30 | Wizzup | Still running, not actively being used until I finish a few other personal projects |
| 17:55.38 | Wizzup | I expect to work more on it in a few weeks |
| 17:58.17 | _maniac_ | does anyone has binhost with gentoo packages for n900? |
| 17:58.36 | Wizzup | No, I guess I could set one up. |
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| 20:35.42 | fishbulb | ~bluetooth |
| 20:35.42 | infobot | hmm... bluetooth is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Is%20anyone%20working%20on%20Bluetooth%20for%203870 or at http://dnsv6.iihe.ac.be/iPAQGPRSv6/BtConfig.html .. and you might wanna take a look at http://bluez.sourceforge.net/contrib/HOWTO-Mobile-Phone, or at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/chan_btp+%E2%80%94+Bluetooth+Presence+Tutorial |
| 20:35.56 | fishbulb | ~pan |
| 20:35.57 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, pan is https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN |
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| 20:39.34 | fishbulb | is pan or dun used to give internet to a tablet |
| 20:40.13 | KotCzarny | depends. usually pan |
| 20:41.45 | fishbulb | its' an android tablet that's wifi only |
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| 20:42.40 | fishbulb | I can't use any of the wifi stuff because it won't connect to an open ad-hoc connection, and the wifi destroys the battery |
| 20:44.13 | KotCzarny | dun is usually for older things |
| 20:44.33 | fishbulb | I can't find a report of pan working with android tablets |
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| 20:44.48 | fishbulb | it's running cyanogenmod if that makes any difference |
| 20:44.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | dun is Dial Up Network, and as this name suggests, is used to dial up to a network with a modem |
| 20:45.15 | fishbulb | I was reading the wiki page |
| 20:46.00 | fishbulb | can someone please help setting up pan? I cant' really even use gmail on the n900 |
| 20:46.06 | KotCzarny | http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/12572/are-there-any-android-phones-that-allow-bluetooth-pan-off-the-shelf |
| 20:46.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's like the difference of filling your glas from the bottle on the table vs ordering a new glass of wine at the waiter |
| 20:47.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | the latter is dun, the former pan |
| 20:47.22 | fishbulb | cyanogenmod seems to do the most |
| 20:47.49 | KotCzarny | see the link, android since ver 4.x does pan (and maybe 3.x) |
| 20:48.01 | fishbulb | yeah the tablet is fine |
| 20:48.28 | fishbulb | how do I ssh into the n900 through usb ? |
| 20:48.38 | KotCzarny | ~usbnet |
| 20:48.38 | infobot | usbnet is, like, at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking or and usbnet in 2.4.18 (desktop) is broken, you want to use > 2.4.19-pre2 or see windows usbnet for windows support or a patched version is at http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/usbnet/, or at http://zorian.kicks-ass.org/files/usbnet-2.4.21-rc7.tar.gz, or http://handhelds.org/~mallum/usbnet-2.4.20.patch, or dhcp over usbnet, ... |
| 20:48.43 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 20:48.53 | KotCzarny | wrong factoid |
| 20:49.03 | KotCzarny | and very old |
| 20:51.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues usb.*network |
| 20:51.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues usb |
| 20:51.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys #maemo.*usb.* |
| 20:52.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys #maemo*usb |
| 20:52.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys #maemo usb |
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| 21:07.14 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
| 21:07.23 | fishbulb | I never have devel enabled |
| 21:07.37 | KotCzarny | you shouldnt enable testing neither |
| 21:07.53 | fishbulb | I've got one or two things, yappari mainly when it worked, and an IR remote thing |
| 21:08.06 | fishbulb | and a few other things that were only in devel |
| 21:08.23 | fishbulb | which repo do I use with cssu though |
| 21:08.35 | KotCzarny | ~cssu |
| 21:08.35 | infobot | i guess cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 21:08.40 | fishbulb | what do I put as the distribution |
| 21:08.53 | KotCzarny | you dont. use cssu installer |
| 21:08.57 | KotCzarny | it does work for you |
| 21:09.11 | fishbulb | this phone has cssu |
| 21:09.37 | fishbulb | so what do I put as the distribution? |
| 21:10.03 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/community/community-fremantle.install |
| 21:10.13 | KotCzarny | open on a computer |
| 21:10.20 | KotCzarny | or use wget -O- http://repository.maemo.org/community/community-fremantle.install |
| 21:10.50 | fishbulb | what is it? |
| 21:10.54 | KotCzarny | but installer does few more things to repos |
| 21:11.01 | KotCzarny | its just a text file |
| 21:11.20 | KotCzarny | you broke your system, you can break it further |
| 21:12.00 | fishbulb | look man I just need to fill in the repos, I managed to assemble a new phone |
| 21:12.05 | KotCzarny | see above |
| 21:12.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fishbulb |
| 21:12.16 | infobot | fishbulb is probably http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:22:18 |
| 21:13.44 | fishbulb | that's creepy and also depressing |
| 21:13.53 | fishbulb | also I did what you said |
| 21:14.27 | fishbulb | obviously I used backup menu to transfer the stuff onto this new phone, but the repos got deleted |
| 21:14.36 | fishbulb | by me, at some point |
| 21:15.31 | fishbulb | the line noise ones are fine, I need extras and extras testing, I'm not sure what to put in the "distribution" field |
| 21:15.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | you usually don't want extras-testing |
| 21:16.32 | fishbulb | no, not usually |
| 21:16.36 | fishbulb | rarely |
| 21:16.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | you *occasionally* and *temporarily* want extras-devel, for installing/updating packages that are not available in extras |
| 21:17.16 | KotCzarny | i dare to say almost no one should use 'testing' |
| 21:17.26 | sixwheeledbeast | the only people who need extras-testing are package testers |
| 21:17.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | extras-testing is a subset of extras-devel and extras |
| 21:17.31 | KotCzarny | it was meant for people doing tester's work |
| 21:17.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the latter two are all you ever need from extras-* |
| 21:18.36 | fishbulb | this phone has cssu and power kernel, I just need to know what I put as the distribution |
| 21:18.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fishbulb |
| 21:18.52 | infobot | hmm... fishbulb is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:22:18 |
| 21:18.52 | KotCzarny | try fremantle |
| 21:18.56 | sixwheeledbeast | fremantle? |
| 21:19.19 | sixwheeledbeast | that is the distribution after all |
| 21:19.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, usually fremantle is fine where it is needed (some repos need / though) |
| 21:20.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are one-click .install files for every repo afaik |
| 21:20.07 | sixwheeledbeast | ./ is in SSU repos IIRC |
| 21:20.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 21:20.14 | fishbulb | what? |
| 21:21.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | fishbulb: use one-click repo .install files |
| 21:21.22 | sixwheeledbeast | ~extras |
| 21:21.22 | infobot | well, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 21:21.25 | fishbulb | I like using faster application manager because it's faster |
| 21:21.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | they are meade to avoid such trouble like "which distro?" |
| 21:21.35 | sixwheeledbeast | ~fam |
| 21:21.35 | infobot | from memory, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam |
| 21:21.45 | fishbulb | you say this like it's something I should already know |
| 21:22.51 | sixwheeledbeast | FYI speedyham is now in all versions of CSSU as of latest stable |
| 21:23.25 | fishbulb | ok maybe I should upgrade cssu or something? |
| 21:23.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fishbulb |
| 21:23.34 | infobot | fishbulb is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:22:18 |
| 21:23.37 | fishbulb | this is probably the last n900 I can cobble together |
| 21:24.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | fishbulb: would you pretty please bother to *read* the info this URL points to? |
| 21:25.01 | fishbulb | what info |
| 21:25.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | the info this URL points to |
| 21:25.55 | fishbulb | sixwheeledbeast what do you mean "as of latest stable" ? when was the last latest stable? |
| 21:26.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 21:26.28 | infobot | well, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 21:27.21 | sixwheeledbeast | CSSU Stable Smaemo8 10th Jun 2016 |
| 21:27.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Changelog to answer that question (however I wonder of which relevance it is) |
| 21:27.34 | fishbulb | how do I find out which version I'm running? it was whatever was latest last time I checked |
| 21:27.45 | fishbulb | ok that is much later than whatever this phone is running |
| 21:27.48 | sixwheeledbeast | About Community SSU in Setting panel |
| 21:28.54 | fishbulb | 21.2011.38-1Smaemo7 stable |
| 21:29.04 | fishbulb | oh my god that was a long time ago |
| 21:29.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | only one increment away from Smaemo8 |
| 21:30.04 | fishbulb | so I should upgrade it? |
| 21:30.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:30.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | though it seems you nuked all your repos, I guess you rather go for a fresh install |
| 21:30.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:22:18 |
| 21:30.57 | sixwheeledbeast | "Since the release of the stable branch CSSU-S is meant to be the LongTermSupport hotspot for all N900 users/owners. " |
| 21:31.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lazyflashing |
| 21:31.36 | infobot | lazyflashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach |
| 21:32.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrrepos |
| 21:32.24 | infobot | jrrepos is probably http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ |
| 21:32.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 21:32.32 | infobot | methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 21:32.33 | fishbulb | I have the line noise ones |
| 21:32.33 | sixwheeledbeast | If it doesn't offer to upgrade to Smaemo8 then something is wrong as above. |
| 21:32.36 | fishbulb | what other ones do I need |
| 21:32.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 21:32.37 | infobot | [backupmenu] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install |
| 21:32.53 | fishbulb | I need the information on my phone, can you stop just spamming these links? I have all that installed |
| 21:33.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | YOU are the one asking how to do stuff right |
| 21:33.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | YOU nuked all your repos |
| 21:34.11 | fishbulb | you're creating a really nice environment here |
| 21:34.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, that's actually you |
| 21:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're asking the same wrong questions about repos sine a week already, every day |
| 21:35.31 | fishbulb | guess what will happen ONCE THEY ARE ANSWERED |
| 21:35.41 | KotCzarny | they were. |
| 21:35.45 | KotCzarny | multiple times |
| 21:35.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | the point is THEY GOT ANSWERED way too often already |
| 21:35.51 | KotCzarny | same question == same answer |
| 21:36.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and when we answer them you go like [2016-08-15 Mon 23:32:53] <fishbulb> I need the information on my phone, can you stop just spamming these links? I have all that installed |
| 21:36.53 | fishbulb | you're telling me to format my phone |
| 21:37.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, since you nuked it |
| 21:37.20 | fishbulb | I need the information on it |
| 21:37.38 | fishbulb | calendar texts and calls, and mms, and other stuff |
| 21:37.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | the info will persist as long as you only flash COMBINED but not VANILLA |
| 21:37.45 | fishbulb | 7 years of stuff |
| 21:38.05 | fishbulb | I don't know what either of those are |
| 21:38.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | however I *strongly* suggest to create a set of backups (both osso-backup and NM) before you do |
| 21:39.01 | fishbulb | using backupmenu |
| 21:39.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | to create a decent backup you need a uSD |
| 21:39.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/NM/BM/ |
| 21:40.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((I don't know what either of those are)) read!!: |
| 21:40.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 21:40.05 | infobot | hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing |
| 21:40.32 | fishbulb | what are you saying to flash |
| 21:40.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's explained in lovingly epic length there |
| 21:40.46 | fishbulb | I'm making a backup now |
| 21:41.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | do backup with BM *and* genuine osso-backup |
| 21:41.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | the latter is an app that ships with every maemo |
| 21:41.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | then do ~lazyflashing |
| 21:42.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | then... oh no I'm supposed to >>stop just spamming these links<< |
| 21:42.37 | fishbulb | you think reflashing the phone will be easier than typing the repos in? |
| 21:42.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and anyway I said that in http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:22:18 already |
| 21:43.12 | KotCzarny | yes, since all information you need is on ~maemo-repos factoid |
| 21:43.31 | KotCzarny | and for cssu repos i've pasted you the link to installer containing cssu infos |
| 21:43.36 | KotCzarny | you ignored them both |
| 21:43.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | given the unknown degree of messing up we need to deal with on your phone, a clean fresh install will probbaly be in order |
| 21:45.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | the correct sequence to install a phone has been given to you several times now |
| 21:45.00 | fishbulb | I need to keep my calls texts mms calendar appointments and contacts, and other info |
| 21:45.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | all those info get backed up by osso-backup in a very convenient way |
| 21:46.04 | fishbulb | and the programs? |
| 21:46.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | BackupMenu does a *complete* backup that's more comprehensive but also less convenient to extract particular data from |
| 21:47.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | the programs are a list of install instructions in osso-backup. VM backs them up completely |
| 21:47.14 | fishbulb | which is why I'm reluctant to flash the whole phone just to get the repos |
| 21:47.48 | fishbulb | I had to know which would work wth cssu |
| 21:48.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | everything works with CSSU |
| 21:48.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU is just an update repo on top of the basic repos |
| 21:50.03 | fishbulb | I've done the backup, I think I'll just upgrade to the new stable |
| 21:50.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, you *could* try to re-add the CSSU repo then |
| 21:50.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | or better yet, simply install CSSU anew |
| 21:50.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | It should 'just work' |
| 21:51.02 | fishbulb | I need all the stuff like I mentioned before |
| 21:52.04 | fishbulb | what's speedyham, because ham is absolutely not speedy |
| 21:52.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you will run into trouble when you messed up your repos, also when you used fapman too much, or did any other stuff that's known to destroy maemo |
| 21:52.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~speedyham |
| 21:52.25 | infobot | SpeedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb. SpeedyHAM is included in CSSU-testing now |
| 21:52.44 | fishbulb | so speedyham is in the latest stable then? |
| 21:52.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal speedyham |
| 21:52.55 | infobot | "speedyham" is "<reply>SpeedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb. SpeedyHAM is included in CSSU-testing now" |
| 21:52.58 | fishbulb | I have the linenoise mirrors |
| 21:53.31 | fishbulb | what do I do to install the new cssu stable, I don't want to wreck this |
| 21:53.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, speedyham is <reply>SpeedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb. SpeedyHAM is included in CSSU now |
| 21:53.39 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 21:54.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | fishbulb: go to ~cssu website, click "install" |
| 21:54.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you decided we might be right and it's wiser to do a xomplete fresh install of everything |
| 21:54.56 | fishbulb | I don't know you seem irate |
| 21:55.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | a tad, yes |
| 21:55.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, seems you feel uncomfortable with a fresh install, so go for CSSU install |
| 21:56.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | but first check your repos |
| 21:56.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need muarf or linenoise, and extras, and possibly tools which comes automatically with BM one-click install |
| 21:57.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU repo gets added by CSSU install procedure |
| 21:57.28 | fishbulb | I did the bm one click install and those repos weren't added |
| 21:57.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 21:57.58 | fishbulb | if I wanted to do a fresh install what would I do |
| 21:58.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | you make a set of backups to a uSD(!) card, then you do ~lazyflashing, then ~jrrepos, then ~bm, then ~cssu |
| 21:58.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you restore your data |
| 21:58.55 | fishbulb | I used your script for the last time I freshly installed anything |
| 21:59.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | from osso-backup |
| 21:59.21 | fishbulb | and ossobackup comes from where though |
| 21:59.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | it comes with every maemo |
| 21:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | called "backup" |
| 22:00.22 | fishbulb | I made the backups with BM already |
| 22:00.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | in your app icons |
| 22:00.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | you want a osso-backup TOO |
| 22:00.42 | fishbulb | I've never used it before |
| 22:00.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | then it's about time |
| 22:01.05 | fishbulb | ok seems like I used it twice before |
| 22:01.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's specialized to backup your data |
| 22:02.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | however neither BM nor osoo-backup do a backup of your 28GB directory that's exported via USB as a storage device!!! |
| 22:03.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | any photos and music there needs manual backup |
| 22:03.05 | KotCzarny | his usb is broken |
| 22:03.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know |
| 22:03.29 | fishbulb | I told you I took apart 3 broken phones and put a new one together |
| 22:03.35 | fishbulb | this is the last one I have |
| 22:03.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you need to copy any stuff from there to your uSD manually, using file manager or console command |
| 22:03.45 | KotCzarny | i would say to use tinysmb, but it would confuse him more |
| 22:04.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 22:04.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's avoid this |
| 22:04.07 | KotCzarny | not to mention doing it over wifi might be a pain |
| 22:04.53 | fishbulb | it's plugged into the usb right now, this is the last working phone I've been able to make |
| 22:05.07 | fishbulb | ok lets' avoid this, I'm installing cssu from the website |
| 22:05.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | installing CSSU is safe |
| 22:05.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least from histroical evidence |
| 22:06.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you did a backup, so you're fine |
| 22:10.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | eventually check your repo list - should look similar to mine, except maybe community-stable or the like instead community-testing, and fremantle vs fremantle1.3 |
| 22:10.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 22:10.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free |
| 22:10.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free |
| 22:11.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ |
| 22:11.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 ./ |
| 22:11.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway those are 4 repos that should show up there after CSSU install, maybe slighty different names |
| 22:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're NOT supposed to edit that file directly, rather use hildon application manager "cataloggs" to edit them |
| 22:13.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | is out for a dinner |
| 22:15.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I repeat: editing that file directly is *dangerous* since there are other files too which need to be in sync with this one |
| 22:15.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | use HAM "catalogs" to edit |
| 22:17.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | the file /etc/apt/sources.list is *empty* |
| 22:18.22 | fishbulb | you said the repos would be updated, no new ones were added |
| 22:20.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://termbin.com/nazo |
| 22:20.29 | fishbulb | ok they're greyed out, I'l figure out whch ones match |
| 22:20.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 22:21.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | it sucks the names shown in HAM do not necessarily match the URLs in ^^^ |
| 22:21.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | the grayed out ones are disabled |
| 22:21.53 | fishbulb | thanks for the help, I would like to get PAN working but typng out everything on the tiny keyboard is very annoying |
| 22:21.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | red ones are defect and should get disabled too, usually those are the original nokia repos |
| 22:22.47 | fishbulb | is this automatically speedyham? it doesn't seem that much faster |
| 22:23.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | for today getting your repo issue sorted and updating to CSSU Smaemo8 seems like enough for one day :-) |
| 22:23.52 | fishbulb | I have another 12 hours before I can sleep |
| 22:24.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you start the CSSU app after running install from the CSSU web site? |
| 22:24.28 | fishbulb | it's all installed |
| 22:24.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I asked if you started the icon |
| 22:25.02 | *** join/#maemo luke-jr (~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr) |
| 22:25.17 | fishbulb | I pressed a few thngs until it said "operating system sucessfully installed" |
| 22:25.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation |
| 22:26.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | 7. Once this is completed, close HAM and go into the applications menu. Tap the Community SSU icon. This will run through a series of scripts to ensure the community repository are set up. |
| 22:26.07 | fishbulb | eventually it said operating system successfuly updated |
| 22:26.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | 8. HAM will re-open and present you the real thing: a system upgrade called Maemo 5 Community SSU - probably you want to install it ;-D. This will take a while. Once installed, your device will reboot "into" CSSU. |
| 22:27.18 | fishbulb | ok I said what the last thing that happened was |
| 22:27.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | that doesn't answer my question and thus I'm out now, for good |
| 22:28.28 | fishbulb | go and eat |
| 22:28.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't expect people helping you when you decide which questions to answer in which way |
| 22:31.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's YOU to ask for help, and the ones trying to help you are asking questions for a reason, and they ask those questions since they know the answer is needed to understand what you did |
| 22:34.18 | fishbulb | I pressed everything until cssu was installed and it said "operating system successfully installed" so I am assuming it is successfully upgraded to that recent stable release |
| 22:37.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | headdesks |
| 22:38.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | you DO NOt WANT to answer a question, eh? |
| 22:38.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | "..I pressed everything..." OMG |
| 22:38.51 | fishbulb | it's upgraded |
| 22:39.00 | fishbulb | that is the answer, it is upgraded |
| 22:39.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you know everything then PLEASE don't pester us to help you |
| 22:39.35 | fishbulb | it has finished installing |
| 22:39.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | STFU! |
| 22:39.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | RTFM! |
| 22:40.07 | fishbulb | no this is important information that you're gettng relaly angry about |
| 22:40.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~question |
| 22:40.13 | infobot | from memory, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 22:40.23 | KotCzarny | doc, you have OCD, dont you? |
| 22:40.37 | KotCzarny | (ie. cant leave when there is question not answered, issue not finished) |
| 22:40.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 22:41.01 | fishbulb | go and take some fucking xanax or something |
| 22:41.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | but this is finished now, fishbulb has given sufficient proof the he(?) is not willing to cooperate, neither to RTFM |
| 22:41.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 22:41.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | thAT'S IT NOW |
| 22:41.41 | *** part/#maemo fishbulb (~fishbulb@unaffiliated/fishbulb) |
| 22:41.42 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 22:42.02 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 22:42.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | he been a tad faster than me |
| 22:42.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | pindering a +q ban |
| 22:42.51 | KotCzarny | you should chill |
| 22:43.04 | KotCzarny | and go already |
| 22:43.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | insult as "thank you" for a 2h of help |
| 22:43.14 | *** join/#maemo andril (~andril@c-66-229-28-40.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 22:43.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | idiot |
| 22:44.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | does he really expect I redo a CSSU install to know when his friggin >>it shown "OS installed<<" shows up |
| 22:45.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | his refusal to answer my questin is evidence he has NFC if he clicked the CSSU installer icon or not, so I'm pretty sure he didn't |
| 22:46.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | common mistake, but Mr smartass fishbulb knows everything better |
| 22:51.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually the "it finished installation" is a proof it didn't. Otherwise he had said "it finished BOTH installations steps" |
| 22:54.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf of the week is [2016-08-16 Tue 00:34:18] <fishbulb> I **pressed everything** until cssu was installed and it said "operating system successfully installed" so I am assuming it is successfully upgraded to that recent stable release |
| 22:54.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 22:54.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf-of-the-week is [2016-08-16 Tue 00:34:18] <fishbulb> I **pressed everything** until cssu was installed and it said "operating system successfully installed" so I am assuming it is successfully upgraded to that recent stable release |
| 22:54.29 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 22:57.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>I gave every apt command I found, until it said "kernel updated" so I assume it installed that devuan distro now<< |
| 23:00.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | when there's a fine terse 9 points instruction manual (http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation), why the heck can't people simply follow it step by step and then answer a simple question regarding the process? |
| 23:03.38 | *** join/#maemo andril (~andril@c-66-229-28-40.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 23:07.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: >>Login error There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please hit "back" and reload the page you came from, then try again.<< |
| 23:08.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: repeatable |
| 23:11.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: solving the damn math 'captcha' doesn't allow saving the edited wiki page either, kicks me back to same edit page with a new math to solve |
| 23:11.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: warfare: ^^^ |
| 23:12.57 | *** join/#maemo andril (~andril@c-66-229-28-40.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 23:19.08 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: sounds like something wrong with your browser cache/cookies |
| 23:19.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, checing it, it creates a new session-end cookie each time I click on back in browser |
| 23:19.50 | chem|st | just was told a week ago "you have to use IE to use this website properly" my response was plain wtf |
| 23:20.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas I accidentally deleted *all* my cookies now, so I have way harder trouble that that wiki.m.o thing now |
| 23:20.51 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: sry no idea about wiki captcha, talk is just a google plugin, if that does not work it is your browser not liking content from another domain than tmo or something |
| 23:21.20 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: when deleting your cookies puts you into trouble, there is something wrong... |
| 23:22.13 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: but eekelund has issue with wiki too... |
| 23:22.35 | chem|st | maybe db is stalling again, do you get the same session id always? |
| 23:22.43 | chem|st | then it might be stuck |
| 23:23.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, when you don't consider deleting a bazillion config cookies a problem, then it probably isn't |
| 23:23.45 | chem|st | I don't |
| 23:23.54 | chem|st | cookies are like cache |
| 23:24.19 | chem|st | cache is like tmp and tmp is like /dev/null |
| 23:25.30 | chem|st | lets wait for xes or warfare to have a look |
| 23:28.27 | *** join/#maemo andril (~andril@c-66-229-28-40.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 23:38.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | curses konqueror "delete all" button in cookies management, and snapper for it being unbearably stupid to build a diff of whole volumes when you want to recover just one single file |
| 23:41.27 | *** join/#maemo andril (~andril@c-66-229-28-40.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 23:42.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | all cheers to btrfs though! and mc: /home/.snapshots/1393/snapshot/jr/.kde4/share/apps/kcookiejar |
| 23:43.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, snapper my ass - take 2h for a silly >> snapper -c home diff 1392..1394 /home/jr/.kde4/share/apps/kcookiejar/cookies |
| 23:56.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: how/where would I find session number? |
| 23:56.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | session id that is |