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| 08:09.25 | xes | i haven't found any tips about this: is there a way to trim the mA of current provided to the flash leds while using camera-ui2? |
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| 08:12.18 | Defiant | https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Flash_Torch this? |
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| 08:21.27 | xes | in fact i was talking about a setting to increase the power of the flash while taking a photo. Standard camera-ui flash is pretty weak. Testing the leds with lanterne shows that also with safe current levels flash leds can produce brighter light pulses. So, i was asking which is the current gived to the leds while using camera-ui and how change it |
| 08:31.35 | xes | @ 215 mA the leds can produce really more light than camera-ui while shooting photo with flash. It's easy to try, you can open lanterne in strobe mode at level 12(215 mA) and camera-ui at the same time and try one an the other in a dark room. I can see that very often camera-ui fails to focus because flash light in insufficient |
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| 08:35.08 | bencoh | silly question, but how do we know 215mA is a "safe level"? |
| 08:35.13 | bencoh | (datasheet?) |
| 08:37.12 | bencoh | camera-ui2 uses gdigicam to set flash mode |
| 08:37.52 | bencoh | (g_digicam_manager_set_flash_mode) |
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| 08:44.03 | bencoh | which in turns uses a gst-camerabin, which relies on gst_photography |
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| 08:49.47 | bencoh | (oh and, none of those specify a level, only a mode) |
| 08:52.12 | Defiant | maybe the mA is factory programmed in the ADP? |
| 08:58.38 | xes | https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/2153251/ |
| 08:59.17 | xes | .max_flash_intensity = ADP1653_FLASH_INTENSITY_REG_TO_mA(19), /* Must be limited to 320 mA in RX-51 B3 and newer hardware */ |
| 08:59.30 | xes | 215 mA is level 12 |
| 09:00.26 | xes | bencoh: so gdigicam has a setting for this? |
| 09:00.45 | bencoh | xes: nope, only a mode |
| 09:00.52 | bencoh | I dunno where the value is set |
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| 09:26.34 | xes | i searched a lot.. in all this years no one worried about flash intensity and poor camera focus in the dark? Seems weird, probably i'm missing something |
| 09:27.23 | bencoh | I suppose pretty much everyone just assumed camera would work poorly in bad light situations |
| 09:28.16 | sicelo | :) |
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| 09:46.04 | zGrr | moin ;) |
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| 10:37.47 | xes | :) v4l2-ctl --get-ctrl flash_intensity |
| 10:38.07 | xes | v4l2-ctl --set-ctrl flash_intensity=14 |
| 10:38.31 | KotCzarny | wiki material |
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| 10:40.20 | xes | KotCzarny: ? maybe.. Where? |
| 10:40.38 | KotCzarny | camera related page or phone control maybe |
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| 10:41.52 | KotCzarny | so many camera pages |
| 10:42.02 | KotCzarny | https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_camera_sensor https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_VGA_camera https://wiki.maemo.org/Video_camera |
| 10:42.03 | xes | KotCzarny: oh you too ar at the "maybe" point of the search.. Ok |
| 10:42.37 | KotCzarny | https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking |
| 10:43.20 | KotCzarny | https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/Camera_UI |
| 10:43.35 | KotCzarny | https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Flash_Torch |
| 10:43.43 | KotCzarny | this page is the best candidate imo |
| 10:43.46 | KotCzarny | (the last one) |
| 10:45.00 | KotCzarny | read it, it has some warnings |
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| 10:48.07 | KotCzarny | and this is second best guess for that control: https://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control (if you add it here, please add a link to the flash torch page so one wouldnt damage something) |
| 10:50.36 | xes | KotCzarny: sorry, have you read the backlog looking at the point of my question? |
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| 10:51.38 | KotCzarny | yes, but im doing something else so i might have misread something |
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| 13:40.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: interesting topic |
| 13:42.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: there's no UI for setting flashlight brightness that I know of |
| 13:44.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw did I spam this chan with http://neo900.org/news/migrating-away-from-eagle-to-kicad already? Now I did ;-) |
| 13:45.49 | bencoh | you did yesterday iirc |
| 13:46.16 | bencoh | oh, maybenot, nevermind |
| 13:46.21 | bencoh | (not this one :D) |
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| 14:54.10 | fishbulb | link for backupmenu please |
| 15:00.06 | fishbulb | ~bm |
| 15:00.06 | infobot | backupmenu is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install |
| 15:00.36 | fishbulb | sweet |
| 15:01.05 | fishbulb | how would I get this on a phone with no sim |
| 15:02.06 | sicelo | wifi? |
| 15:02.18 | sicelo | anyway, /me afk |
| 15:11.10 | fishbulb | and no wifi |
| 15:11.39 | bencoh | and no usb I guess? |
| 15:12.01 | fishbulb | actually it does have usb, the other phone that has backupmenu doesn't have usb |
| 15:12.15 | fishbulb | I just backed up my shit from that one, but the usb is shot |
| 15:13.33 | fishbulb | so I have a phone here, no wifi and no sim but yes, usb |
| 15:14.01 | bencoh | then you can install it over usbnet |
| 15:14.18 | fishbulb | I don't know what usbnet is |
| 15:14.21 | bencoh | ... |
| 15:14.35 | fishbulb | I've never used it |
| 15:14.49 | bencoh | there is a wiki page about that |
| 15:14.59 | fishbulb | :/ |
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| 15:22.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | why don't you use uSD card for BM and also to download backupmenu.deb and install that? |
| 15:23.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | that fishbulb, tztztz |
| 15:24.23 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: honestly i feel like an install of uboot is a must on any n900 that doesn't have a working usb port |
| 15:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | always so "I want that, and I want it now! and no, I won't do it the way you suggest, I want it *my* way" |
| 15:24.28 | kerio | even though it's dangerous |
| 15:25.06 | kerio | and also a must on any n900 that does |
| 15:36.23 | bencoh | it's a must everywhere yeah |
| 15:41.02 | kerio | because mostly regardless of what happens, you can boot something from a microsd |
| 15:41.37 | bencoh | almost |
| 15:41.49 | bencoh | yeah :) |
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| 16:06.57 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: in fact there is also a weird error about v4l2-ctl while reading flash control: v4l2-ctl -L ---> error 22 getting ext_ctrl Flash strobe |
| 16:09.00 | xes | Anyway, camera-ui restores v4l flash_intensity at every shot :( |
| 16:09.41 | xes | freemangordon: any idea about how set flash_intensity while using camera-ui? ^^ |
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| 16:13.51 | bencoh | I suspect this is not camera-ui itself but some function hidden in the v4l source module (of gstreamer), or something in omap3camd |
| 16:14.02 | bencoh | ... I guess :) |
| 16:14.18 | CatButts | this is unrelated |
| 16:14.18 | CatButts | http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/LILETEST.ogg |
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| 16:47.18 | _maniac_ | nice domain name btw |
| 16:47.40 | CatButts | yes |
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| 19:20.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | (domain) |
| 19:20.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | Thread 1 (Thread 0x7f1ae8f71780 (LWP 26957)): |
| 19:20.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | [KCrash Handler] |
| 19:20.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | #6 0x00007f1ae571f3e6 in __strcmp_ssse3 () from /lib64/libc.so.6 |
| 19:20.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | #7 0x00007f1aa29bea0e in QMetaType::registerNormalizedType(QByteArray const&, void (*)(void*), void* (*)(void const*), void (*)(void*), void* (*)(void*, void const*), int, QFlags<QMetaType::TypeFlag>, QMetaObject const*) () from /usr/lib64/libQt5Core.so.5 |
| 19:21.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Qt5Core my ass |
| 19:21.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik I don't even jave Qt5 |
| 19:22.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | have* |
| 19:22.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously I do, though |
| 19:24.05 | sicelo | where's that? |
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| 19:34.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/11/plasma-desktopwo2277.png |
| 19:40.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/11/plasma-desktopcx2277.png |
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| 19:43.05 | sicelo | ah .. kde |
| 19:43.35 | sicelo | tbh, i have had more nonsense with kde than gnome .. still asking myself why it's praised so much :-/ |
| 19:44.06 | sicelo | one of these days i'll lose my patience and go back to gnome |
| 19:45.41 | sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: seen the basic 'user' icon/avatar for KDE5? lol |
| 19:46.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | gnome gives you the windows UX, KDE is totally customizable |
| 19:47.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus I really hate that one available design in gnome |
| 19:47.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus when gnome published they unbearable first buggy version, I was on KDE already for years |
| 19:48.09 | sicelo | ah |
| 19:50.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | KDE1 was a PITA, but hey it was a baby. KDE2 was quite ok. KDE3 was mostly super, KDE4 is crap |
| 19:53.41 | sicelo | i never used KDE until KDE4 a few weeks ago .. tbh, i found it fine. now on KDE5 .. fine too. but i can't agree that KDE is the best thing since sliced bread. or maybe it's because i use terminal more than anything else .. and therefore don't use the 'good' parts of either DE |
| 19:56.03 | CatButts | the highlight of KDE up until v4 was ktuberling |
| 19:56.13 | CatButts | http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/ktuberling.png mildly nsfw |
| 19:56.13 | sicelo | and what's what? |
| 19:56.47 | sicelo | looks like crap thing |
| 19:57.07 | CatButts | it's one of the many toys that comes with KDE |
| 19:57.11 | sicelo | the most annoying problem i'm having with KDE5 (I did have it with 4 too, but not as bad as with 5) is that Wireless networks will suddenly not be connected to, due to "secrets were not provided" .. never had that with gnome |
| 19:59.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | KDE is only great when you make it your own |
| 20:00.34 | sicelo | :) |
| 20:00.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | the default config is too much windowsy shit inspired, just like gnome. just with kde you have the choice to change virtually every little aspect |
| 20:01.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | even consoles aka shells/terminals are fine under KDE |
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| 20:55.13 | luke-jr | sicelo: KDE 3 was much better than 4/5 |
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| 20:55.55 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer05: +100 |
| 20:56.03 | CatButts | yeah, it had the better KTuberling |
| 20:56.32 | luke-jr | KDE 4 barely got tolerable around KDE 4.4, and then went downhill since |
| 20:57.04 | luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/screenshots/snapshot147.png <-- my desktop layout :p |
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| 21:00.33 | sicelo | lol, kde bug page, again :p |
| 21:02.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/11/plasma-desktopTD2277.png |
| 21:03.38 | sicelo | another thing i didn't quite like ... konqueror ... why it is both file manager & browser beats me :-/ |
| 21:03.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | looking closely you'll notice quite a number of customizations, and most of the ones I did are not even visible |
| 21:04.04 | sicelo | yes .. most browsers can file:/// etc ... but really konqueror |
| 21:04.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is what I like most about konqueror |
| 21:04.31 | sicelo | well i hate it :) |
| 21:05.42 | sicelo | maybe i'll come to love KDE .. but the last month has been unhappy month |
| 21:07.10 | sicelo | luke-jr: what's that next to the bitcoin icon (i assume bitcon ..) |
| 21:08.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/11/plasma-desktopIE2277.png konqueror as browser and filemanager of a variety of protocols |
| 21:08.37 | sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: what's the last icon in the middle group? |
| 21:09.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | last? |
| 21:09.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | left or right? |
| 21:09.22 | sicelo | i still don't like konqueror's doing that .. where did the KISS principle go to? out the window with Poettering? :) |
| 21:09.48 | sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: in the middle group .. the group that has Cups |
| 21:09.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | left or right? |
| 21:10.00 | sicelo | so last ... right :) |
| 21:11.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/11/plasma-desktopDx2277.png |
| 21:11.35 | sicelo | okay. thanks |
| 21:11.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/11/plasma-desktoprK2277.png |
| 21:14.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought you'd rather ask about that "gnome" footprint in left group (reboot infobot) or the battery symbol in right groups, well you maybe thought that's a laptop - it isn't and the battery starts the UPS monitor |
| 21:16.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack |
| 21:16.53 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: aw, gee |
| 21:16.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+uptime |
| 21:17.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks purl |
| 21:17.31 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: sure thing |
| 21:18.16 | luke-jr | sicelo: which side? |
| 21:18.49 | luke-jr | systray has: weather (sunny), bitcoin, clementine, psi, kteatime, kteatime, klipper, keyboard layout switch |
| 21:19.01 | sicelo | tbh i didn't think much of all of them ... when i started to use KDE (after using Gnome for many years, and having tested XFCE, LXDE, and a couple of others) -- any DE ends up nothing more than a launcher for me :) |
| 21:19.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | luke-jr: dang, you must be drinking a lot of tea :-) |
| 21:19.28 | sicelo | ah, so it'd be clementine then luke-jr |
| 21:19.44 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer05: I use it for everything :D |
| 21:19.47 | sicelo | what does clementine do? |
| 21:19.56 | luke-jr | sicelo: plays music :P |
| 21:20.04 | sicelo | ah |
| 21:20.07 | sicelo | :) |
| 21:20.59 | sicelo | i'll keep KDE on the laptop, although the wifi thing might end up frustrating me enough .. and i'll keep Gnome on the desktop |
| 21:22.32 | sicelo | how do i get Akregator to properly open a new tab in Firefox .. currently it opens up a brand new window, with two tabs. first one is %u or some such ... |
| 21:22.45 | sicelo | which is a problem in don't have in liferea :0/ |
| 21:23.09 | sicelo | (problem i don't have ...) |
| 21:23.47 | luke-jr | I hate GUIs trying to do networking. |
| 21:23.57 | luke-jr | network is a system-wide thing, not a user thing |
| 21:24.27 | luke-jr | (although wouldn't that be interesting, if wifi could do multiple frequencies at the same time.. let each user have their own networking stack :P) |
| 21:24.43 | sicelo | i understand they are trying to make it easy for the 'average' user who doesn't know anything about networking |
| 21:24.49 | sicelo | but they must do it right :p |
| 21:25.12 | sicelo | if i can't use my wifi .. then it's a biiiig problem (and i'm not the only one with this issue btw) |
| 21:27.55 | sicelo | just a question: gnome has gconftool (must like windows' regedit) .. i'm sure kde has something similar .. what would that be? |
| 21:28.05 | sicelo | s/must/much/ |
| 21:28.52 | sicelo | for example .. if i add a widget (kde sports many of them), where is the location of the widget saved? |
| 21:29.39 | luke-jr | sicelo: it doesn't. |
| 21:29.43 | luke-jr | there are config files |
| 21:30.02 | luke-jr | most everything is configurable by normal means |
| 21:30.08 | luke-jr | no need to tweak ugly registry values |
| 21:32.22 | sicelo | hmm, i've heard that said before .. |
