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| 06:47.30 | Oksana | Hmm, what about pushing bnf to Extras-testing? Sure, version 1.2 isn't more dangerous than version 1.0, is it? Because typo in sudoers file makes version 1.0 not quite use-friendly... |
| 06:47.52 | KotCzarny | who uses extras-testing? |
| 06:48.23 | Oksana | Those who do not want extras-devel enabled all the time? |
| 06:49.30 | KotCzarny | so, 1 user? |
| 06:55.20 | bencoh | probably more than that |
| 06:55.57 | bencoh | I personally use apt pinning so unless I explicitely force a version I'd end up with the one in extras or testing |
| 06:58.40 | KotCzarny | would be interesting to see extras-testing stats (updated to exclude search engines etc) |
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| 08:19.22 | fishbulb | hello |
| 08:20.13 | fishbulb | I really need to copy my info to my other phone, and then change screens, becuase the usb port is fucked and the keyboard is worn out now |
| 08:20.27 | fishbulb | what I'd like to do is a fresh install |
| 08:20.47 | KotCzarny | fishbulb: backup menu, then move backup data to new device, then restore |
| 08:20.50 | fishbulb | and copy over my contacts, messages, reinstall programs |
| 08:21.06 | fishbulb | where do I get backup menu from? all my repos are gone |
| 08:21.15 | KotCzarny | ~bm |
| 08:21.19 | infobot | somebody said backupmenu was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install |
| 08:21.26 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 08:21.26 | infobot | i guess maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 08:21.42 | fishbulb | will the one click install work if I have no repos? |
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| 12:19.28 | atk | What options are there for web browsers on the N900? |
| 12:19.45 | atk | Or better yet, does anyone know where I can find the source for tear? |
| 12:23.30 | bencoh | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/tear/trunk/ maybe? |
| 12:23.35 | bencoh | but that's *old* |
| 12:29.37 | atk | Well, anything is good, I want to at the very least change some issues I have with it and at best maybe base something new on it. |
| 12:30.05 | atk | any guide to how on earth developing something for the n900 works? especially the packaging side |
| 12:30.17 | atk | I can probably work out the API for the graphics stuff |
| 12:30.33 | atk | has never worked with debian before |
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| 14:21.49 | bencoh | atk: have a look a the scratchbox wiki page |
| 14:22.02 | bencoh | there is a basic guide to debian/maemo packaging |
| 14:22.22 | bencoh | (not that basic actually, it's pretty good :) |
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| 16:19.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb |
| 16:19.21 | infobot | hmm... scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 16:19.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation |
| 16:20.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide |
| 16:21.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Images |
| 16:21.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka ~sb |
| 16:27.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | atk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/Writing_a_new_maemo_application#Packaging_the_application |
| 16:28.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing |
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| 17:16.04 | Arch-TK | I don't need a cross compilation toolchain my distro provides decent packages and I could compile one if I needed to anyway. I was just curious about the packaging side. |
| 17:16.30 | Arch-TK | But thanks anyway. |
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| 18:04.33 | Sicelo | clean |
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| 18:25.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 18:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you want to package for maemo? then you are most likely wrong with >>my distro provides decent packages<< |
| 18:28.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also generaly recommed that building not getting done on target platform aka N900. If only for the meager RAM you got there |
| 18:28.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | so frequently you damn sure want a cross compiling environment/toolchain of sorts |
| 18:29.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | "of sorts" since scratchbox actually does genuine building in an emu environment |
| 18:29.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 18:29.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I heard gcc is pretty poor on cross compiling anyway |
| 18:32.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | however when you meant you want to build packages for some non-maemo system on N900, then you're neither interested in scratchbox *nor in maemo packaging*. You rather learn about packaging in context of that other distro |
| 18:34.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all packaging and package management is what ditinguishes distros one from another most |
| 18:35.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and maemo packaging is sort of a debian derivative, but significantly different in some details |
| 18:39.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | wild guessing: you're rather interested in https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/creating_packages ? |
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| 20:08.20 | bencoh | 21:29 < DocScrutinizer05> I heard gcc is pretty poor on cross compiling anyway |
| 20:08.21 | bencoh | ?? |
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| 20:41.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: ??? |
| 20:41.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | should I have said "doesn't know"? |
| 20:41.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just quoting |
| 20:43.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Tue 12 July 2016] [10:07:15] <whitequark> boru: I absolutely loathe using GCC for embedded because of their moronic cross-compilation policy |
| 20:43.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Tue 12 July 2016] [10:07:28] <whitequark> there is exactly zero reason to rebuild your compiler just to target a different triple |
| 20:43.26 | kerio | someone bought arm D: |
| 20:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | who? |
| 20:43.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | link! |
| 20:43.52 | kerio | softbank |
| 20:44.00 | kerio | http://www.wsj.com/articles/softbank-agrees-to-buy-arm-holdings-for-more-than-32-billion-1468808434 |
| 20:44.37 | kerio | ez brexit |
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| 20:50.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 20:51.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if that changes much, but no bright news anyway |
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