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| 05:38.15 | brolin_empey | Sicelo: My parents currently use the Android OS version 5 or higher as provided by LG on an LG G3 (stepmother) and LG G5 (father). My father said that on either the G3 or G5 â I forgot which one, the camera application can use speech recognition to control the shutter: without any hardware add-on, the camera application takes a picture when it heards a word chosen by the user. Maybe this feature will be useful for you? |
| 05:39.13 | KotCzarny | brolin_empey: its not about android :P |
| 05:44.16 | brolin_empey | s/heards/hears/ |
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| 13:51.38 | Linkandzelda | can anyone help me to compile and install this, ive not compiled for n900 before https://git.collabora.com/cgit/user/wjt/telepathy-idle/tag/?id=telepathy-idle-0.1.12 |
| 13:53.03 | bencoh | you'll need scratchbox |
| 13:53.57 | bencoh | dont we already have native IRC support ? |
| 13:54.12 | Linkandzelda | we have that plugin already on the repos, but |
| 13:54.27 | bencoh | http://maemo.org/packages/view/telepathy-idle/ |
| 13:54.36 | Linkandzelda | http://maemo.org/packages/view/account-plugin-idle/ |
| 13:54.42 | Linkandzelda | this is the one i used |
| 13:54.53 | Oksanaa | is it terribly out-of-date? |
| 13:55.03 | Linkandzelda | yes |
| 13:55.10 | bencoh | the account- one is for configuration ... but yeah, okay |
| 13:55.15 | Linkandzelda | the one on the repo does not have the fix which causes channels to part |
| 13:55.27 | Linkandzelda | making it basically useless |
| 13:55.47 | Oksanaa | thank you for trying to upgrade it :-) |
| 13:56.20 | Linkandzelda | there is a patched version from the guy with a fix, but i dont have a clue how to get it onto my device |
| 13:56.25 | Linkandzelda | let alone into the repos |
| 13:56.29 | Oksanaa | thought that telepathy-idle supports only private messages, not channels |
| 13:56.32 | bencoh | hm I see |
| 13:57.10 | Linkandzelda | Oksanaa: i tried it, joined a channel then it instantly part it, which is what the bug report mentions https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24273 |
| 13:57.12 | povbot | 04Bug 24273: was not found. |
| 13:57.27 | bencoh | well you could start from the scratchbox VM (or install SB "from scratch") |
| 13:57.31 | Linkandzelda | unless im mistaken in the expected behaviour |
| 13:57.46 | Linkandzelda | bencoh: im looking at the wiki now to install the SDK |
| 13:57.54 | Linkandzelda | a vm sounds good though |
| 13:58.27 | bencoh | ~sb |
| 13:58.27 | infobot | rumour has it, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 13:59.05 | bencoh | I've never tried it but it looks like people use it |
| 13:59.09 | bencoh | (the VM, I mean) |
| 14:19.31 | ceene | Sicelo: http://gwolf.org/node/4076 |
| 14:20.38 | ceene | and http://gwolf.org/node/4080 |
| 14:21.43 | KotCzarny | did you see its specs? |
| 14:21.51 | ceene | 512MB ram |
| 14:21.58 | ceene | wifi and bt it seems |
| 14:22.52 | ceene | http://docs.getchip.com/chip.html#chip-hardware |
| 14:23.10 | ceene | 4gb nand |
| 14:23.31 | KotCzarny | its small, but also limited in utility because of small ram |
| 14:23.38 | ceene | well |
| 14:23.42 | ceene | it's twice of n900... |
| 14:24.04 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 14:24.10 | KotCzarny | but if i look right, its single core? |
| 14:24.19 | ceene | i'd expect it to be, yes |
| 14:24.28 | KotCzarny | not worth the price then |
| 14:24.38 | ceene | 9$? |
| 14:24.46 | KotCzarny | +shipping (~29usd) |
| 14:25.10 | ceene | then buy at least 10 |
| 14:25.21 | KotCzarny | already bought orange pi plus 2e |
| 14:25.23 | ceene | so it's only 12$ |
| 14:25.32 | ceene | you can build a cluster of these things |
| 14:25.55 | KotCzarny | right, you didnt se my orange cluster yet |
| 14:26.03 | KotCzarny | http://imgur.com/a/tJvqk |
| 14:26.14 | ceene | weren't there a kind of cluster that allowed to see lots of machines as a single machine with tens of cores? |
| 14:26.28 | KotCzarny | 8 core for the price of ~50usd |
| 14:26.40 | KotCzarny | and 3gb ram total |
| 14:26.52 | ceene | very nice |
| 14:27.26 | KotCzarny | i should get me some tool to cut holes better than dremel |
| 14:27.50 | ceene | i worked on 2003 on a small company that intended to provide video on demand services for hotels |
| 14:28.00 | ceene | so each room had a small diskless computer |
| 14:28.12 | KotCzarny | maybe sicelo will get one and join the linux-sunxi community :> |
| 14:28.23 | ceene | i had access to a cluster of 400 computers in a single hotel |
| 14:28.24 | ceene | :D |
| 14:28.35 | ceene | all of them dedicated to people watching p0rn, of course |
| 14:29.07 | KotCzarny | and for science and stuff |
| 14:29.31 | ceene | funnier thing was that we had like 12 hotels or so all over spain |
| 14:29.36 | ceene | the server had an ADSL line |
| 14:29.41 | ceene | but as a backup, it was also modem connected |
| 14:29.46 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 14:29.58 | ceene | it was funny as hell dialing to someone from 12 different numbers all around the country :D |
| 14:30.49 | KotCzarny | btw. chip is smaller than n900 |
| 14:30.55 | KotCzarny | unless you talk board size alone |
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| 14:32.59 | bencoh | "The declared commercial value is US$450" wtf |
| 14:33.10 | ceene | well, 50*9 is 450 |
| 14:33.38 | ceene | some people seem to be made of silver :D |
| 14:33.40 | bencoh | ceene: https://getchip.com/pages/pocketchip |
| 14:34.10 | ceene | like a minigameboy! |
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| 14:36.28 | bencoh | to me it looks like a miniterminal ... but yeah ;) |
| 14:36.31 | KotCzarny | you get better games on n900 :P |
| 14:37.06 | ceene | i don't play that much, to be honest |
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| 14:52.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Linkandzelda: you also may find the SB VM at http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/ under then name Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z |
| 14:53.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll need to combine the name with the URL yourself, I don't want it getting publicly posted for the search engine spiders |
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| 16:09.37 | Linkandzelda | DocScrutinizer05: thanks |
| 16:09.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 16:17.48 | Sicelo_ | ceene: i'm with gwolf at the debconf :) |
| 16:18.31 | Sicelo_ | i'm trying to get my hands on .. he has 50 to give away .. dunno if i make the grade, haha |
| 16:25.45 | Sicelo_ | (re - chip) ^^ |
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| 18:10.58 | Sicelo | by the way, i did get a BBB (which I've been looking for for quite a while now) |
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| 18:36.36 | Sicelo | ordered two new genuine batteries ... |
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| 18:38.12 | Sicelo | collected them today ... and they seem really original, as far as the eye can tell. for some other reason, the seller gave me third one for free, as well as genuine nokia headset free |
| 18:39.06 | Sicelo | wh-102 ... not necessarily the best headphone from nokia, but still |
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| 19:25.05 | Linkandzelda | what do i do next after i have the scratchbox sdk vm booted? |
| 19:25.33 | freemangordon | Linkandzelda: /scratchbox/login |
| 19:25.54 | Linkandzelda | thanks |
| 19:25.58 | freemangordon | assuming you've logged in and started a terminal |
| 19:26.05 | Linkandzelda | yes |
| 19:29.28 | bencoh | I'd try apt-get source of the current package you're trying to upgrade |
| 19:29.58 | bencoh | to see if you can build it successfully (you'll have to install the build deps for that) |
| 19:30.36 | bencoh | (in SB, of course .... you might need to set the sources.list as well) |
| 19:31.11 | Linkandzelda | apt-get update gives a gpg error for Release |
| 19:31.47 | bencoh | yeah, nokia keys expired a long time ago |
| 19:32.01 | Linkandzelda | was able to download the source for telepathy-idle using that, thanks |
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| 19:34.07 | brolin_empey | Sicelo: Did you read my message about the camera remote control? |
| 19:35.13 | freemangordon | Linkandzelda: hmm, iirc telepathy-idle should have newer code in cssu |
| 19:35.55 | bencoh | freemangordon: it's in -extras, so .... |
| 19:35.58 | bencoh | extras-* |
| 19:36.29 | Linkandzelda | freemangordon: its in extras-devel, where the latest version is 0.1.6 and the latest source looks to be 0.1.12 |
| 19:36.39 | freemangordon | hmm, yeah, it is telepathy-gabble, my bad |
| 19:37.04 | freemangordon | wasn't telepathy-idle google chat? |
| 19:37.11 | Linkandzelda | its IRC |
| 19:37.16 | freemangordon | oh |
| 19:37.18 | freemangordon | :) |
| 19:37.59 | bencoh | gabble includes google/jingle I guess? :) |
| 19:38.35 | Arch-TK | Is there some kind of working noscript for n900 MicroB ? |
| 19:38.36 | Linkandzelda | bencoh: i did ./configure and now its doing make, after that i guess make install? even though i have nothing else that it needs |
| 19:39.09 | bencoh | freemangordon: hmm do you know what was the status of openmax support on n900? |
| 19:39.12 | freemangordon | Linkandzelda: why not dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 19:39.19 | freemangordon | bencoh: deprecated? |
| 19:39.24 | bencoh | (I never got to make it work perfectly, but ...) |
| 19:39.25 | Linkandzelda | freemangordon: i dont know, this is all new to me |
| 19:39.28 | bencoh | oh, okay. simple as that. |
| 19:39.30 | bencoh | sad |
| 19:39.41 | freemangordon | bencoh: in favor of gst-dsp |
| 19:39.52 | bencoh | yeah, which forces gstreamer down your throat |
| 19:40.09 | bencoh | (with all the deps hell in case you'd like to upgrade) |
| 19:40.14 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 19:40.48 | freemangordon | Linkandzelda: well, this is a kind of debian after all, try with "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -us -uc" |
| 19:41.42 | Linkandzelda | looks like that did something |
| 19:42.17 | bencoh | :) |
| 19:42.22 | freemangordon | Linkandzelda: dunno what you're trying to achieve but anyway if you plan to push stuff in extras, you'd better use the standard way, not to say you'd better use .debs for installation |
| 19:43.02 | Linkandzelda | freemangordon: all im trying to do is compile this and see if it fixed the bug i had https://git.collabora.com/cgit/user/wjt/telepathy-idle/tag/?id=telepathy-idle-0.1.12 |
| 19:44.06 | bencoh | AC_DEFINE(GLIB_VERSION_MIN_REQUIRED, GLIB_VERSION_2_28, [Ignore post 2.28 deprecations]) |
| 19:44.06 | freemangordon | I see |
| 19:44.12 | bencoh | ewww :( |
| 19:44.13 | freemangordon | so? |
| 19:44.16 | bencoh | good luck |
| 19:44.20 | freemangordon | just relax it |
| 19:44.23 | Linkandzelda | whats that lol |
| 19:44.43 | Sicelo | i built a patches openvpn with that same cmdline freemangordon just posted, except i didn't have the fakeroot part. still dunno what the fakeroot thing is, and where it's needed |
| 19:44.50 | Sicelo | *patched |
| 19:44.53 | bencoh | freemangordon: massive API change in between iirc |
| 19:45.16 | freemangordon | Sicelo: fakeroot is needed for stuff that needs "root" :) |
| 19:45.20 | bencoh | it looks like can be worked around (since somebody did it recently) but still eww :) |
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| 19:45.56 | freemangordon | bencoh: it is 2.24 in cssu, ain;t? |
| 19:46.04 | LaZTest | test |
| 19:46.14 | freemangordon | merlin1991: ^^^^^ |
| 19:46.16 | bencoh | hmmm ... I'd need to check, but I think the massive change happened in .28 |
| 19:46.29 | freemangordon | what the hell has happened with CSSU update?!? |
| 19:46.39 | freemangordon | :( |
| 19:47.03 | freemangordon | bencoh: they removed deprecated functions? |
| 19:47.32 | LaZTest | looks like it will be hard to idle with this plugin, if the group notifications cant be disabled |
| 19:47.37 | freemangordon | or there will simply be a couple of warning? |
| 19:48.08 | bencoh | freemangordon: not sure, better check it |
| 19:48.09 | freemangordon | warnings even |
| 19:48.18 | bencoh | anyway we'll see if he succeeds :) |
| 19:48.26 | freemangordon | aah, not now, I just came home from an 8 hour drive :) |
| 19:48.35 | bencoh | haha |
| 19:48.40 | bencoh | back from holidays? |
| 19:48.50 | Sicelo | freemangordon: sounds simple enough. so i should have had it for openvpn tehn, which does need root to run :-/ |
| 19:48.52 | freemangordon | back from kavarna rock fest :p |
| 19:48.56 | bencoh | ah :) |
| 19:49.13 | freemangordon | Sicelo: this "root" is needed for building stuff |
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| 19:50.09 | Sicelo | ah :-/ |
| 19:53.07 | bencoh | like chowning stuff, packaging |
| 19:53.50 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 19:54.28 | bencoh | oh well, might be less painful than I thought considering glib online doc |
| 19:57.36 | Linkandzelda | how can i change im availablity on the sdk? |
| 19:58.21 | bencoh | are you testing from the VM (xephyr and all)? |
| 19:58.27 | Linkandzelda | yea |
| 20:05.00 | Linkandzelda | seems this other source doesnt have a configure script |
| 20:07.04 | Linkandzelda | configure: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.30.0, gobject-2.0 >= 2.30.0, gio-2.0 >= 2.30.0 ) |
| 20:07.21 | Linkandzelda | is this what you're talking about bencoh? |
| 20:09.47 | Arch-TK | another question: is there a working youtube client for the n900 ? (cutetube and cutetube-qml both fail to find anything from search results) |
| 20:10.43 | Linkandzelda | Arch-TK: cutetube2 in extras-devel works well |
| 20:11.11 | Arch-TK | And also, on that note, I have lost the webpage listing the details of all the n900 repositories |
| 20:11.53 | Arch-TK | never mind, found it |
| 20:12.50 | bencoh | Linkandzelda: yup |
| 20:13.11 | bencoh | Linkandzelda: try lowering those to what you have and see if it builds |
| 20:13.23 | bencoh | see configure.ac |
| 20:14.20 | bencoh | autotools/autoconf generates configure from configure.ac when you run dpkg-buildpackage. by the way |
| 20:14.42 | Linkandzelda | ok, will try that |
| 20:19.22 | Linkandzelda | Requested 'telepathy-glib >= 0.15.9' but version of Telepathy-GLib is 0.8.1 |
| 20:20.35 | bencoh | yeah you'll probably want to update that one as well |
| 20:20.49 | bencoh | and ... I think someone worked on that, check TMO |
| 20:21.57 | bencoh | (I actually had a very quick look a few months ago and haven't looked back at it) |
| 20:22.30 | Linkandzelda | i found this https://telepathy.freedesktop.org/releases/telepathy-glib/telepathy-glib-0.15.9.tar.gz |
| 20:30.13 | Linkandzelda | well i cant get that to build, it has similar glib requirements, was able to lower them but it does not build |
| 20:31.07 | bencoh | yeah :( .... see TMO |
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| 20:39.30 | Linkandzelda | i saw someone built 2.26.0 but nothing higher due to major changes that maemo needs or something.. guess thats the end of the road |
| 20:41.00 | Sicelo | you want IRC? i thought N900 had way better irc clients than what you can get through telepathy |
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| 20:50.33 | bencoh | Linkandzelda: 2.26 ... are you talking about glib? |
| 20:50.41 | Linkandzelda | yes |
| 20:51.08 | Linkandzelda | Sicelo: yea ive been using Xchat, does the job, just wanted to try something else |
| 20:51.08 | bencoh | you only want to build telepathy-glib |
| 20:51.58 | bencoh | actually using glib-2.26 and (back)porting the functions you need for telepathy-glib might be enough ... dunno |
| 20:52.20 | Sicelo | i seem to think there were others better suited to N900 UI elements .. i use irssi myself, so not too sure |
| 20:52.24 | Linkandzelda | seems like a lot of work just to try it out |
| 20:52.53 | Linkandzelda | i was thinking about making one in python |
| 20:57.24 | bencoh | Linkandzelda: then you can always backport the patch you mentioned |
| 21:00.58 | Linkandzelda | how exactly would that be done? |
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| 21:15.17 | Arch-TK | Linkandzelda: this is quite awesome |
| 21:15.55 | Arch-TK | I think I can finally ditch this android phone with a screen three times the size and a CPU which is many times more powerful, but which is fundamentally crippled by android, for this much better N900 :D |
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| 21:19.23 | Linkandzelda | Arch-TK: yes exactly, im transitioning slowly away from my galaxy note 3 which is android |
| 21:19.50 | Linkandzelda | maemo is such a nice os |
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| 21:23.30 | Vajb | +one for irssi |
| 21:23.45 | Arch-TK | uses weechat on all his machines |
| 21:24.10 | Vajb | there is even version with perl support at tmo |
| 21:34.22 | Sicelo | i should actually sort it out and put it through autobuilder so it goes on repos properly |
| 21:35.22 | Oksanaa | make sure toolptify |
| 21:35.55 | Sicelo | yes, that too |
| 21:42.39 | Linkandzelda | is there a guide anywhere detailing how to make GUIs with python on this sdk? |
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| 23:40.08 | Oksana | Linkandzelda: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/UI_tutorial/Getting_started /me prefers GTK+Hildon, without python or something. Have a little experience with GTK+C, currently trying to read-and-edit C++ / |
| 23:43.09 | Oksana | And while I use irssi, I would welcome telepathy-idle, especially if I can add IRC channels to contacts (it sounds weird, but yes, some people have pretty much personal channels, and some of contacts in my address book are organisations-not-persons and hence also may have dedicated IRC channels) |
| 23:54.05 | Linkandzelda | Oksana: one of the reasons i wanted to use telepathy idle is becuase a) less software/redundent software b) those native im notifications and bubbles (cant get xchat to do them) and c) the other irc apps, i cant imagine they feel very integrated with maemo |
| 23:55.06 | Linkandzelda | but i discovered today it doesnt look like i can mute certain channels notifications |
| 23:57.48 | Oksana | So, you want to IRC in several channels, and receive notifications-bubbles from some channels but not from others? Hmm, at best it could be telepathy-idle setting |
| 23:58.22 | Oksana | Somebody: what language to specify to GeSHi for correct syntax highlighting of autoconf? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/Maemo_Localization autoit is not even close (does not recognise #comments ) |
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