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| 14:52.00 | Sicelo | what tool/utility could i use on linux/n900 to figure out what keys a bluetooth device sends? it's a bluetooth camera remote |
| 14:55.38 | Sicelo | xmodmap? |
| 14:56.12 | L29Ah | xev |
| 14:57.03 | Sicelo | awesome. thanks. will try that |
| 15:04.01 | bencoh | that is, if it shows as an input for xorg :) |
| 15:12.25 | Sicelo | i hope it does :) |
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| 15:36.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | when it doesn't, you have another class of problem already |
| 15:37.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno if wireshark would help to dump raw data from BT socket |
| 15:38.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | but "which keys" implies it's a kbd device of sorts, so should show up in /dev/*/* |
| 15:39.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | then it's xev, yes |
| 15:39.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | or a brute force dump of the /dev/*/* input device |
| 15:40.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | possibly helpful sites: http://compsoc.man.ac.uk/~shep/pedals.html http://homepages.cwi.nl/~aeb/linux/kbd/scancodes-8.html#kccb2 |
| 15:44.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | (xev) or evtest |
| 15:46.51 | Sicelo | thankfully, the device *does* show up as a keybaord. first problem gone |
| 15:46.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 15:47.00 | Sicelo | time to figure out the key |
| 15:47.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | when xev shows something, you're more than halfway there already |
| 15:48.07 | Sicelo | it does, but i think useless info :-/ |
| 15:48.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | paste the line |
| 15:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait, xev is multiline iirc |
| 15:48.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | so pastebin |
| 15:48.58 | Sicelo | PropertyNotify event, serial 16, synthetic NO, window 0x3008c58, atom 0x14a (_NET_WM_USER_TIME), time 67423988, state PropertyNewValue |
| 15:49.23 | Sicelo | even pressing any N900 key shows the same :-/ (mostly) |
| 15:49.30 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: err, xev only helps with *X* input devs, not general inputs |
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| 15:50.18 | bencoh | Sicelo: xev needs focus |
| 15:50.47 | Sicelo | it has focus (active window) |
| 15:52.17 | bencoh | iirc/afaict it doesn't take focus (without the help of wmctrl maybe) |
| 15:52.50 | bencoh | plain X11 windows support is half-broken with mb2 |
| 15:53.24 | bencoh | rather x11 clients should set a hint/property and they dont, which is one mb2 doesn't give it focus |
| 15:53.43 | bencoh | s/one/why/ |
| 15:53.51 | Sicelo | okay. seems uphill battle :) |
| 15:54.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: I know |
| 15:54.21 | bencoh | fixing it usually takes a 4lines patch and a rebuild |
| 15:55.06 | Sicelo | i'm with N900 only here :p |
| 15:55.28 | Sicelo | so it will have to wait for next week |
| 15:56.03 | bencoh | http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=d3caee2cc for mupdf for instance |
| 15:56.08 | bencoh | ah... |
| 15:56.49 | bencoh | maybe we should actually add said patch and push it to -extras, actually |
| 15:57.00 | bencoh | (or patch mb2 so that it doesn't need it ....) |
| 16:03.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | what is mb2? |
| 16:04.25 | APic | DocScrutinizer05: Is the Neo900 Project still alive? |
| 16:04.28 | Sicelo | matchbox |
| 16:04.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | APic: yes |
| 16:04.37 | APic | Nice |
| 16:04.38 | APic | ⺠|
| 16:05.08 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: matchbox |
| 16:05.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | rhugh I'm severely struggling with everything and more getting offloaded to my responsibility, which originally absolutely wasn't the plan |
| 16:05.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: ta |
| 16:06.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, matchbox is half-broken when you challenge it on a proper X11 level |
| 16:07.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, it prolly could use some patches to fix several of those flaws |
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| 16:55.34 | KotCzarny | cat /dev/input/something ? |
| 17:02.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | od -An -N3 -tx1 -w3 /dev/input/mouse1 |
| 17:03.21 | KotCzarny | as for the headset buttons i think i've used dbus monitor |
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| 18:14.51 | Sicelo | had stepped away. dmesg shows it coming uu[83072.050964] input: i shutter as /class/input/input6 |
| 18:14.59 | Sicelo | dmesg |
| 18:15.01 | Sicelo | meh |
| 18:15.04 | Sicelo | [83072.050964] input: i shutter as /class/input/input6 |
| 18:15.27 | KotCzarny | cat /dev/input/event6 ? |
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| 18:17.23 | Sicelo | doesn't exists. only in /sys |
| 18:17.26 | Sicelo | :-/ |
| 18:18.36 | KotCzarny | pastebin /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 18:19.23 | L29Ah | mknod? |
| 18:19.45 | KotCzarny | nah, probably different name |
| 18:19.47 | L29Ah | /sys/class/input/event6/uevent will suggest you the args |
| 18:20.04 | Sicelo | it goes to /dev/inpitu/eventX |
| 18:20.12 | Sicelo | just reconnecting the thing |
| 18:20.16 | Sicelo | *input |
| 18:20.37 | Sicelo | it seems to disconnect after a while (to save battery i suppose) |
| 18:23.43 | Sicelo | damn thing sends a whole lot of characters |
| 18:24.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't want to cat any /dev/input7* |
| 18:25.05 | Sicelo | it seems a lost cause ... will test it properly when back on a pc (next week) |
| 18:25.37 | Sicelo | or just give it to a friend with android/ios phone |
| 18:25.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 18:25.47 | Sicelo | isn't a photos person any way |
| 18:26.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what's the purpose of that thing anyway |
| 18:26.34 | Sicelo | it's a remote shutter |
| 18:26.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 18:26.49 | KotCzarny | heheh |
| 18:26.59 | KotCzarny | might require proper software |
| 18:27.18 | Sicelo | could be |
| 18:27.59 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: for taking pictures while camera is at a distance (they use them in selfie sticks for example) |
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| 18:28.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it's basically a kbd |
| 18:28.37 | Sicelo | yes, N900 bluetooth interface sees it as keyboard |
| 18:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | then I don't understand the problem |
| 18:29.36 | Sicelo | i need to know what 'key/character' it sends .. so i can remap it to the 'C' key if possible, which nicocam uses for capturing |
| 18:29.50 | Sicelo | or anyone has better idea than this? |
| 18:29.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you read the links I suggested? |
| 18:30.09 | KotCzarny | what is the name/model of th thing? |
| 18:30.34 | Sicelo | chinese thing i think. DocScrutinizer05, i did. will go through them again |
| 18:30.44 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: chinese thing .. let me see |
| 18:30.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | od -An -N3 -tx1 -w3 /dev/input/$* |
| 18:31.40 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: nothing specific (no surprise) .. just "i shutter" |
| 18:31.51 | KotCzarny | https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2016/02/cheap-bluetooth-buttons-and-linux/ |
| 18:33.26 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: n900 doesn't like some of the arguments there .. not sure which one |
| 18:34.35 | KotCzarny | sicelo, see the link, code is there too and debug commands |
| 18:34.59 | KotCzarny | also in the comments section |
| 18:35.50 | Sicelo | looking :) |
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| 18:37.37 | Sicelo | yes, this might be the exact same... the remote also has two buttons (android/ios) |
| 18:39.01 | KotCzarny | most are clones anywat with the same hw |
| 18:40.50 | Sicelo | i gues though, it will be a bit more useful on a pc than N900 |
| 18:41.24 | Sicelo | could use it to control a media player, or at least mute/unmute |
| 18:41.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:41.47 | Linkandzelda | is there any obvious reason why the battery %/mah reading in the system tray dropdown menu has basically stopped updating automatically? it was at 2% and i let it charge overnight, reported 2% until a reboot was done, same thing happens with discharging |
| 18:41.50 | KotCzarny | you can use n900 to control media player |
| 18:42.28 | Sicelo | yes :& |
| 18:43.09 | Sicelo | Linkandzelda: i get that too .. dunno really. haven't looked at it deeper. probably should |
| 18:43.37 | Linkandzelda | Sicelo: the only way i can fix it is to use the advanced power which has its own daemon to report the info |
| 18:44.08 | Sicelo | i don't like those :-/ |
| 18:44.14 | Linkandzelda | me neither |
| 18:44.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: try cat /dev/input/event42|od -An -N3 -tx1 -w3 |
| 18:44.38 | Sicelo | wants minimal system .. no duplicate software doing the same thing |
| 18:45.08 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: that won't work too .. -A -N are not in N900's od :( |
| 18:45.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | substitute 42 by whatever the new input device you see when connecting the thing |
| 18:45.18 | Sicelo | i ended up testing only the -x |
| 18:45.46 | Sicelo | i think i'll leave this for a proper pc :) |
| 18:46.03 | Sicelo | so will ping you all again next week |
| 18:46.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | use proper gnu od |
| 18:46.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | messybox hardly understand what od *is* |
| 18:46.48 | Sicelo | i was given an old Thinkpad X40 today, lol .. dunno how useful that is/will be |
| 18:47.13 | KotCzarny | sicelo: grab msata to ide adapter and make it soar |
| 18:47.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you see a new input device when pairing the thing? |
| 18:47.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | err connecting |
| 18:47.39 | KotCzarny | remember to get 3,3V one |
| 18:47.48 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: it's got SSD apparently .. not yet sure the size as it has no power cable |
| 18:48.18 | KotCzarny | x40 is a little marvel |
| 18:48.29 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: dmesg doesn't seem to register anything, but it does get created as /dev/input/event4 |
| 18:48.36 | KotCzarny | sing;e core hurts performance though |
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| 18:49.14 | Sicelo | i can imagine. no wifi too .. maybe if i'm lucky will find a card for it |
| 18:49.27 | KotCzarny | just plain minipci |
| 18:49.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you can get scancodes from input4 |
| 18:49.59 | KotCzarny | usb dongle in the worst case |
| 18:50.12 | Sicelo | seems to have IR too .. so maybe i can get more remotes for my N900 (pierogi) |
| 18:50.27 | Sicelo | or maybe not .. :-/ |
| 18:50.44 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: but yes, it looks good for an oldie thing |
| 18:51.11 | KotCzarny | i still use mine as console/webbrowser machine |
| 18:51.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /dev/input/event4|od -tx1 |
| 18:51.40 | Sicelo | how much ram it has? |
| 18:52.04 | KotCzarny | 512 soldered on + 1gb module |
| 18:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll need to press button several times until your broken od will spam out first printline |
| 18:52.39 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: no -t or tx on this one |
| 18:52.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy then use -x iirc |
| 18:53.08 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: i don't yet know if the 1GB was added, but hope to power it up soon and test |
| 18:53.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | however you get 16bit values then iirc |
| 18:53.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | with upper/lower byte swapped |
| 18:53.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is confusing like hell |
| 18:53.45 | KotCzarny | you might be unlucky to have the board with 256M soldered on |
| 18:54.03 | Linkandzelda | i find it funny that the n900 has a more up to date version of rsync than the latest os x release |
| 18:54.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck messybox! |
| 18:54.25 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: i expect that tbh |
| 18:54.57 | Sicelo | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X40 |
| 18:55.59 | Sicelo | at least it seems Gb ethernet was standard, if that wiki is correct |
| 18:56.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get install coreutils-gnu |
| 18:56.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly now |
| 18:56.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox |
| 18:56.37 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, diff as used by mc...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 18:56.52 | Sicelo | i have that DocScrutinizer05 |
| 18:57.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | then what the heck is your od? |
| 18:57.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# od --version |
| 18:57.24 | Sicelo | lol. maybe is should do 'god' |
| 18:57.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | od (GNU coreutils) 8.4 |
| 18:57.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 18:57.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# echo $PATH |
| 18:57.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 18:58.27 | Sicelo | i don't have that gnu path |
| 18:58.50 | KotCzarny | thats probably from installing some gnu utils |
| 18:58.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | no surprise, you need to fix your .bashrc for that ;-) |
| 18:59.05 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: that wdoesn't cause conflict with busybox's stuff? |
| 18:59.16 | KotCzarny | though seriously, its a wrong approach |
| 18:59.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | PATH=$(echo $PATH|sed "s.:/usr/bin:.:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:.;s.:/usr/sbin:.:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:.") |
| 18:59.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | export PATH |
| 18:59.34 | Sicelo | doesn't mind putting g at the beginning to be honest |
| 19:00.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: not for root at least |
| 19:00.41 | KotCzarny | why the heck cssu didnt fix those old utils? |
| 19:00.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | for user you might end up with a bootloop |
| 19:01.33 | Sicelo | so i will leave it as is .. and preprend g :) |
| 19:01.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 19:01.44 | infobot | hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 19:02.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#proper_bash_and_tools |
| 19:02.32 | Sicelo | i'm not looking forward to reflashing .. i know it's not difficult, but still .. and not when i'm 1000miles from home :) |
| 19:02.57 | KotCzarny | you need second n900 for experiments |
| 19:03.08 | Sicelo | i have ;) |
| 19:03.34 | Sicelo | there are about 10 N900 at the DebConf, seen one N9 too |
| 19:08.14 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: i had a short chat with Paul Wise today here at DebConf. just now i have a question: who pays for the openmoko infrastructure now? servers for example .. |
| 19:08.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik Harald Welte |
| 19:09.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? |
| 19:09.17 | Sicelo | just curios :) |
| 19:09.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | Paul should know |
| 19:09.33 | Sicelo | thought there'd be something like HiFO that side too |
| 19:09.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 19:09.56 | Sicelo | i didn't ask him as the question didn't come up in my mind at the time |
| 19:10.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody in a 1 mile radius around OM ever been insane enough to do such thing |
| 19:12.14 | Sicelo | :) |
| 19:12.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | meritocracy and management by anarchy just works for OM |
| 19:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | until bob ham chimes in and starts bitching |
| 19:12.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | OM's estel |
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| 19:16.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | the difference OM vs maemo is: OM always been in the hands of community, more or less. Nevertheless it never been administrated in a "democratic process" |
| 19:16.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | everybody understood that for such tasks a hierarchy works better |
| 19:17.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and nobody had concerns about meritocracy instead of democracy |
| 19:19.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | greetings to pabs err Paul when you meet him once more |
| 19:19.47 | Sicelo | democracy isn't always the answer, that's for sure |
| 19:19.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | see brexit ;-P |
| 19:20.17 | Sicelo | will gladly let him know. awesome guy :) |
| 19:21.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | democracy more often than not can turn into a dictatorship of the intellectual precariate |
| 19:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why pretty much all democracies have a representative democracy |
| 19:22.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | which for maemo was (is?) the council |
| 19:24.19 | Sicelo | brexit is very interesting |
| 19:24.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 'interesting' isn't the to-the-point term |
| 19:25.04 | Sicelo | :) |
| 19:25.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | not that I'm worried too much (I'm allergic to politics anyway), but it shows how the wrong thing is done thanks to populism and propaganda and blatant lies |
| 19:26.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | the unwashed masses are a very poor expert crew more often than not |
| 19:27.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | now everybody publicly admits that it was against own government more than about anything EU related, but now the damage is done |
| 19:28.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and more and more people in GB realize that the promises about what brexit will accomplish were blatant lies |
| 19:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I actually guess many already knew beforehand, and yet they voted for brexit to punish their own government |
| 19:29.52 | Sicelo | hmm, doesn't that also punish them too? |
| 19:30.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess they will realize that rather sooner than later |
| 19:31.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | would like to see a referendum about abolishing police and courts |
| 19:31.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet that would pass |
| 19:31.40 | Sicelo | i'd love that!! |
| 19:31.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | for 4 weeks maybe |
| 19:31.52 | Sicelo | i don't really like police at all .. |
| 19:32.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | just proves my point |
| 19:32.02 | Sicelo | but yeah, criminals :-/ |
| 19:32.45 | Sicelo | how do i properly kill/restart browserd? |
| 19:32.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | killall browserd |
| 19:33.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | comes in handy every now and then |
| 19:33.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 19:34.30 | Sicelo | i'm having a problem with a site that needs a client certificate |
| 19:34.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 19:34.51 | Sicelo | Outlook Web Access .. it has worked fine for a long time, but today not at all |
| 19:34.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | that gets tricky on maemo |
| 19:35.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | cert expired? |
| 19:35.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually client side cert is always tricky |
| 19:35.40 | Sicelo | only change i recently made was to save my username in the browser, but now the site doesn't work (which of course doesn't make sense) |
| 19:35.56 | Sicelo | cert not expired... good till 2018 |
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| 19:37.12 | Sicelo | hmm, now can't browse any pages, after killall browserd |
| 19:37.27 | Sicelo | it did respawn, but yeah, |
| 19:38.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 19:39.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | weird |
| 19:39.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | never faced any problems like that with killall browserd |
| 19:39.48 | Sicelo | it just keeps 'searching', i may say |
| 19:40.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you did that too often so dsme doesn't respawn the process any longer |
| 19:40.18 | Sicelo | the process is there |
| 19:40.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | are you sure it's not just your connection which might be pretty falwed, given it's a hacker congress. May explain your cert problems as well |
| 19:40.58 | Sicelo | $ ps aux | grep browserd 9269 user 36788 S /usr/sbin/browserd -d 9270 user 63612 S /usr/sbin/browserd -s 9270 -n RTComMessagingServer |
| 19:41.14 | Sicelo | it was working when i arrived :) |
| 19:41.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, when you arriver joe evilhacker hadn't installed his interceptor yet |
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| 19:42.55 | Sicelo | i sent a mail :p |
| 19:43.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | so? |
| 19:43.25 | Sicelo | let me see how dsme works .. should be able to restart this properly |
| 19:43.45 | Sicelo | other browsing working ..just this OWA thing |
| 19:43.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | "dear Joe Evilhacker! please stop fucking with my internet traffic" |
| 19:44.46 | Sicelo | what's the file on N900 that's used for startup? |
| 19:44.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | other browsing is easier to intercept. That's why you got client cert for OWA |
| 19:45.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, please rephrase |
| 19:45.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | or reboot ;-P |
| 19:45.45 | Sicelo | yes, reboot is easiest |
| 19:45.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | dsme -b |
| 19:46.15 | Sicelo | haha, not that one for now |
| 19:46.26 | Sicelo | i want to restart browserd properly |
| 19:46.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess that will happen when dsme -bOOTS the device |
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| 19:48.35 | Sicelo | rebooting |
| 19:48.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch sorry, dsmetool -b of course |
| 19:52.25 | Sicelo | works after reboot |
| 19:52.33 | Sicelo | wish i knew what ha happend |
| 19:53.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | you never know what happened, on maemo. Way too complex |
| 19:53.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I even see a weird ps aux|grep dsme no listing the grep process |
| 19:54.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | never seen that before... http://paste.opensuse.org/27223723 |
| 19:55.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe grep wasn't started yet while ps already filled the pipe with results |
| 19:55.32 | ceene | that's something that happens sometimes, yeah |
| 19:55.41 | Sicelo | hey ceene :) |
| 19:55.55 | ceene | hi, Sicelo :) |
| 19:55.59 | ceene | while true; do ps faux|grep grep || echo nogrep; done |
| 19:56.03 | ceene | you'll see a few nogreps in there |
| 19:56.14 | ceene | gotta have dinner! |
| 19:56.15 | ceene | cya! |
| 19:56.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | cya |
| 19:57.33 | Sicelo | bon appetit |
| 19:58.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((you'll see)) not on my i5 ;-) |
| 19:58.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither with ps faux nor ps aux nor ps nor >/dev/null |
| 20:00.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly too many processes for ps to iterate over (and procps is pretty heavy), to allow for grep not even being started yet |
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| 20:04.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm no, not even IroN900:~# while true; do ps|grep -q grep || echo nogrep; done |
| 20:06.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even while true; do ps|cat|cat|grep -q grep || echo nogrep; done |
| 20:18.02 | ceene | i've seen a few |
| 20:18.52 | ceene | how is debconf going, Sicelo ? |
| 20:19.29 | Sicelo | ceene: awesome! really great. met two devs from your country |
| 20:19.55 | ceene | there a few, yes! |
| 20:21.02 | ceene | it's a nice feeling when you report a bug or whatever and it happens that the maintainer of one appreciated package happens to be almost a neighbour! |
| 20:21.45 | Sicelo | ;) |
| 20:23.04 | Sicelo | as user, it is quite cool to actually meet these guys, see how they work |
| 20:23.42 | Sicelo | some of them are people i've spoken to lots of times on IRC, and face to face meet always great |
| 20:24.31 | ceene | many systemd advocates? :P |
| 20:27.09 | Sicelo | i haven't heard it mentioned yet, but there is an upcoming talk about systemd |
| 20:28.55 | ceene | i guess most people just wants to do his own thing |
| 20:29.03 | ceene | and initiating a real life flame isn't as fun as it could sound |
| 20:29.05 | ceene | :) |
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| 20:32.22 | Sicelo | i will try to attend the systemd session, if it doesn't conflict with something i have more interest in |
| 20:33.57 | Sicelo | it's Tuesday .. conflicting with a session on ifupdown2 |
| 20:34.09 | Sicelo | maybe i go to systemd after all :p |
| 20:34.57 | ceene | it's always curious seeing there are people interested in the most boring things |
| 20:35.07 | ceene | what would *they* think of *my* interests? |
| 20:36.04 | Sicelo | lol what do you mean? |
| 20:36.54 | ceene | just... don't know, there are things that i would find boring as hell, yet people are passionate about them |
| 20:37.26 | ceene | ifupdown2 sounds like... whatever, what do i need that for? why would anybody spend time coding a strange replacement for something that's working already quite fine? |
| 20:37.50 | ceene | but i guess they would think the same of the things i do, so... |
| 20:39.16 | Sicelo | i don't even know ifupdown2 tbh .. so i would have chosen that .. of course, i'm also curious to see what will happen in the systemd session .. maybe i'll hear expletives :p |
| 20:41.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | sends Sicelo a rotten large fish, just in case Poettering attends too |
| 20:42.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~freee |
| 20:42.17 | infobot | methinks freee is http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZTdUmlGxVo0&t=3296 |
| 20:42.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | begs for a big fish in your hands |
| 20:44.41 | Sicelo | haha, |
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