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| 07:00.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh what?? don't ever dry cats or bake PCB board in a *MICROWAVE* oven |
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| 07:08.48 | Vajb | awww but it would make such nice sparkles |
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| 07:32.23 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 07:32.32 | KotCzarny | maybe a tiny 'splosion even? |
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| 08:04.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | sparkling cats |
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| 08:11.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<Sicelo> wut! just worked now)) some router tables fixed themselves? there must be quite a number of routers beween your server and the PC/N900 |
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| 08:15.12 | xelo | wow, I'v lefet yesterday and you talked about microwave / hot-air oven comparison, an now: still microwaves. seems to be a "hot" topic |
| 08:15.26 | xelo | * I've left |
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| 08:24.04 | bencoh | yeah, probably docs reading the backlog ;) |
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| 08:29.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
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| 11:02.51 | Oksanaa | thinks that while replacing pulseaudio with alsa-only may be a noble goal, pulseaudio is way too deeply integrated with other parts of the system to go easily |
| 11:03.50 | Oksanaa | Okay, mstardict5,I am not sorry to see you go : you should have known better than to depend on pulseaudio-utils |
| 11:07.49 | Oksanaa | mstardict* |
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| 11:11.31 | bencoh | awww |
| 11:11.40 | bencoh | mstardict is cool though |
| 11:12.08 | bencoh | even if I still need to fix RTL support in it |
| 11:15.25 | Oksanaa | Yes, it's cool, even if it would have been preferable to not hard-code espeak dependency. flute could hypothetically work as tts, even if it always gave me trouble |
| 11:16.48 | Oksanaa | remembers there was a feature request to have selectable text in mstardict |
| 11:17.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hardcoding that sort of dependencies is always a knockout criterion at least for the good-programming-style award |
| 11:19.47 | Oksanaa | Well, even libre-chess depends on gnuchess, instead of thinking on possibility of alternative chess engines |
| 11:21.41 | Oksanaa | is more sad about dependency on pulseaudio-utils; why is it here at all? |
| 11:23.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | good question |
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| 11:39.48 | bencoh | Oksanaa: it can play sound through some text-to-speech module iirc |
| 11:40.08 | bencoh | ah, you already saw all that :) |
| 11:40.33 | bencoh | ah, utils.... |
| 11:42.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly the usual clueless aproach that every app takes care by itself about assumed optimum audio mixer config |
| 11:42.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | lately firefox started to set my master volume @ 63% whenever I play a video |
| 11:42.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | which **SUCKS** |
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| 11:43.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what a clueless audio server implementation gives you. Many thanks Poettering! |
| 11:43.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | on maemo we got alsaped for that |
| 11:44.52 | Oksanaa | alsaped? |
| 11:44.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | which to me is pretty much a misnomer, since aiui it enforces PA policies onto PA and maybe ALSA mixer |
| 11:45.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | root 764 0.0 0.5 4872 1292 ? Ss Jun19 0:01 /usr/sbin/alsaped -p 4 -f /usr/share/policy/etc/current/alsaped.conf |
| 11:50.10 | Oksanaa | Looking at alsamixer is... confusing. Its volume (playback or capture or all) does not correlate with hildon-volume, afais? |
| 11:51.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | *aiui* somewhere around OHM-* there's a config file with a long list of program names|audiopattern tuples, so the according audio setup (from /usr/share/policy/etc/current/alsaped.conf ?) gets set as soon as the accordingly named process gets started |
| 11:51.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksanaa: alsamixer control names are pretty 'random' |
| 11:52.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually they correlate to the mixer chip pin naming, not the actual signal purpose on the particular platform |
| 11:52.29 | Oksanaa | chip: pulseaudio |
| 11:52.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 11:53.08 | Oksanaa | card: pulseaudio |
| 11:53.24 | Oksanaa | in short, looks like a wrapper |
| 11:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | we have two cards afaik: card0 and card1, and they correspond to modem IIS and to the TLV320AIX34 audiocodec mixer chip |
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| 11:56.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/69813474 |
| 11:57.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't ask me about card1, it doesn't apply. amixer blows chunks on -c1 |
| 11:57.30 | Oksanaa | alsamixer -c 0 gives much more interesting results. card: rx-51 |
| 11:57.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | so nfc what's default (omitting -c) |
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| 11:57.40 | Juest | lspci? |
| 11:59.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/49067404 |
| 11:59.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah not card1, device1 |
| 12:00.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe not, really a mess |
| 12:01.03 | Juest | alsamixer should be a clean/clear way to see audio devices.... i dont understand how oksanaa gets confused |
| 12:01.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/56647251 |
| 12:01.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | Juest: you would if you tried yourself |
| 12:01.44 | Juest | I dont have a maemo, is xephyr the same? |
| 12:02.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/06/30/plasma-desktophL2277.png |
| 12:02.52 | Oksanaa | xephyr should be similar enough, never tried it myself |
| 12:03.25 | Juest | oksanaa: its the fremantle sdk btw, a ubuntu lucid VM enviorment |
| 12:03.37 | Oksanaa | used MADDE on Windows as development environment, ages ago |
| 12:04.10 | Juest | and its impossible to do shift+control combinations/hotkeys because shift+control = grab/release input in Xephyr |
| 12:04.30 | Juest | i wish there's a way to run the emulator in a separate X |
| 12:04.34 | Juest | rather than Xephyr |
| 12:05.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | alsamixer -c0 :: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/06/30/plasma-desktopPp2277.png |
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| 12:08.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | funny enough, according to man alsamixer -c0 is allegedly default |
| 12:09.35 | Oksanaa | fun |
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| 12:15.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/06/30/plasma-desktopBA2277.png |
| 12:17.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/15170424 |
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| 13:07.55 | Vajb | i think i have spotted the problem with callerx blacklist mode |
| 13:09.32 | Vajb | blacklistfile is at mydocs and after i plug my phone to pc it refuses all calls so problem seems to be that it doesn't recover from mydocs being mounted to pc |
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| 13:39.18 | drathir | still wonder why its keep using non ext fs... |
| 14:08.47 | bencoh | so that it could be mounted on non-linux computers :) |
| 14:09.01 | bencoh | and the only "universal" fs at that time was fat |
| 14:09.12 | bencoh | (it still is more or less ....) |
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| 14:35.17 | erlehmann | so i will probably get a replacement n900 |
| 14:35.19 | erlehmann | the one from my ex |
| 14:35.30 | erlehmann | that DocScrutinizer05 repeatedly flashed when it did not work |
| 14:35.42 | erlehmann | is there someone in berlin who has done the springfix, though? |
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| 18:36.11 | KotCzarny | erlehmann: why dont you just buy used n900 in 100% working condition? |
| 18:36.26 | KotCzarny | 20-30usd |
| 18:37.11 | erlehmann | KotCzarny, I got one from my exgf |
| 18:37.14 | erlehmann | just now |
| 18:37.22 | erlehmann | also because money is tight right now |
| 18:37.23 | KotCzarny | you've said it was problematic |
| 18:38.09 | erlehmann | i don't know the thing |
| 18:38.25 | erlehmann | i will test it |
| 18:39.51 | erlehmann | also i think that if i have 2 half-working things i might be able to put together 1 working thing |
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