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| 04:00.39 | vahe | Hi all help please |
| 04:00.42 | vahe | https://bpaste.net/show/6adec7ab162b |
| 04:01.09 | vahe | Repo only maemo devel extras |
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| 04:09.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | NEVER EVER do apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 04:12.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even apt-get upgrade |
| 04:13.44 | vahe1 | https://bpaste.net/show/6adec7ab162b which repositories to install that would make everything run smoothly? |
| 04:13.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo repos are _not_ maintained to support those 'usual' debian versioning schemes. Particularly whole maemo is one huge metapackage |
| 04:14.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing will make apt-get (dist-)upgrade run smoothliy |
| 04:14.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrrepos |
| 04:14.29 | infobot | from memory, jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ |
| 04:15.28 | vahe1 | what is it? |
| 04:15.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | never do apt-get autoremove either |
| 04:16.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | you probably already messed up your system fubar |
| 04:16.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | by dist-upgrade & autoremove |
| 04:17.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((what is it)) isn't the webpage clear enough on what it is? |
| 04:18.17 | vahe1 | DocScrutinizer05: thanks,I worked on the principle of Debian |
| 04:18.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | that doesn't pan out for maemo |
| 04:19.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia introduced / used a quite 'inventive' mess of handling dependencies and updates in maemo |
| 04:19.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | not compatible with what you'd expect was 'the right thing' to do, from Debian |
| 04:20.06 | vahe1 | I know what is .install but do not understand what and why they are needed |
| 04:20.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia's base repos are no more |
| 04:20.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why |
| 04:20.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~repos |
| 04:20.49 | infobot | from memory, repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories, or see ~jrrepos |
| 04:21.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | muarf is a mirror to catch up the fallout of Nokia repos gone south |
| 04:21.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | lemme try... |
| 04:22.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mp |
| 04:22.02 | infobot | somebody said mp was Northern Mariana Islands |
| 04:22.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, fail |
| 04:22.14 | vahe1 | DocScrutinizer05: that is autoremove not to do? |
| 04:22.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | please rephrase |
| 04:24.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Note Carefully: [2016-06-23 Thu 06:16:09] <DocScrutinizer05> you probably already messed up your system fubar by dist-upgrade & autoremove |
| 04:25.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | a reflash is the commonly recommended fix for that |
| 04:25.56 | vahe1 | ah ok |
| 04:26.01 | vahe1 | DocScrutinizer05: sorry ,I badly understand and write in English , I am not a developer and just a person who loves everything with open source |
| 04:26.41 | vahe1 | ty :) |
| 04:26.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | a rule of thumb: with apt-get the only safe options basically are 'update' and 'install' |
| 04:27.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | and possibly "purge" |
| 04:27.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | though that depends on what you're purging |
| 04:27.47 | vahe1 | everything is clear,tell me the last question, what is the latest version of the OS? |
| 04:28.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | please resort to Hildon Application Manager, which takes care to protect you from the nastiness in apt-get and the Nokia way of maintaining repos |
| 04:28.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | latest version official is pr1.3 |
| 04:28.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr13 |
| 04:28.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.3 |
| 04:28.36 | infobot | it has been said that pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 04:29.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | the recommended latest update is CSSU though |
| 04:29.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 04:29.04 | infobot | i heard cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 04:29.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU is no complete OS release but only a update, as the name suggests |
| 04:29.49 | vahe1 | ah ok |
| 04:29.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's based on PR1.3 |
| 04:30.19 | vahe1 | DocScrutinizer05: thanks :) |
| 04:30.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw :) |
| 04:31.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | just for the records: actually the truly last and latest PR is 1.3.1 |
| 04:31.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | included in CSSU though, so it doesn't make a difference |
| 04:32.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.3.1 |
| 04:32.23 | infobot | somebody said combined was the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 04:32.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | just use |
| 04:32.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lazyflashing |
| 04:32.57 | infobot | i guess lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach |
| 04:33.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | the insatll CSSU |
| 04:33.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | it basically takes care about everything |
| 04:33.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | then just watch out to not mess up your system with apt-get! |
| 04:33.51 | vahe1 | aha ,you need to read it all))) |
| 04:33.58 | vahe1 | thanks |
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| 04:34.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | lazyflashing is easy and fast, and installing CSSU is also not hard |
| 04:34.47 | vahe1 | I do not understand all this ,I had to read |
| 04:35.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, when you assume that flashing is a full new start and you accept to lose all your data and configs, you can safely ignore the very fine info in http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware and just do what the last section tells you |
| 04:36.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you have problems understanding what to do, please don't hesitate to ask *first* before you try anything |
| 04:37.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | in here we usually prefer talking newcomers through a standard install, than to talk them through a complicated system fixing session ;-) |
| 04:38.24 | vahe1 | :) understood |
| 04:38.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | so whatever the topic - if in doubt, please *ask* |
| 04:39.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | (after trying to understand the HowTo/manula/readme/whatever) |
| 04:41.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | vahe1: you say you're not a developer, but I understand you're moderately familiar with commandline/shell? so maybe you benefit from my terse "HowTo" at |
| 04:41.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 04:41.49 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 04:42.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that's getting too complicated, just stop reading ;-) |
| 04:43.39 | vahe1 | maemo for me just a hobby, and Yes I like to use gnu/linux and all that freesoftware |
| 04:44.18 | vahe1 | but all you have shown is very difficult and we must all learn and I have not much time to learn |
| 04:45.52 | vahe1 | I installed using maemo flasher |
| 04:46.38 | vahe1 | https://cloud.mail.ru/public/C1CJ/ehhyHojrf |
| 04:46.50 | vahe1 | this is an old? |
| 04:48.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know for sure off top of my head if that's recent or not. please use lazyflashing, it takes care about everything |
| 04:49.44 | vahe1 | ah ok |
| 04:50.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I released version3 some time ago, that even takes care about the library issues |
| 04:50.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's really as simple as copy&paste this one commandline into terminal on linux PC, and then follow the intructions |
| 04:51.39 | vahe1 | it is difficult for me lazyflashing |
| 04:51.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | hwy? |
| 04:51.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? |
| 04:52.30 | vahe1 | flasherbole more convenient |
| 04:52.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | never heard of that |
| 04:52.52 | vahe1 | is there a video instruction? lazyflashing |
| 04:53.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, it's just "copy and paste the command line into terminal, hit <ENTER>" |
| 04:54.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | just do it. When any questions ariste during the process, pretty please come here and ask me so I can improve the script |
| 04:56.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need to learn anything except copy&paste for lazyflashing |
| 04:57.24 | vahe1 | (wget http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz -O - 2>/dev/null| tar xvz)&&cd maemo-my-private-workdir&&sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 04:57.26 | vahe1 | yes/ |
| 04:57.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks about right |
| 04:57.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | for full flashing the answer is YES, not yes |
| 04:58.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you probably don't need full flashing |
| 04:58.45 | vahe1 | that is, it is only necessary to write in the terminal computer ,and need to connect the phone to the computer |
| 04:58.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | the damage done to your system will get fixed by a COMBINED only flashing |
| 04:59.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, like the instructions say |
| 04:59.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | the instructions will tell you when and how to connect phone |
| 05:00.07 | vahe1 | this team is clear, but where is the firmware? |
| 05:00.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | the script fetches it |
| 05:00.30 | vahe1 | this command will download the firmware? |
| 05:00.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | if yes |
| 05:00.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 05:00.41 | vahe1 | ok) |
| 05:00.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's really as simple as I told you |
| 05:01.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need to worry about anything, just do the C&P |
| 05:01.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | the rest is interactive instruction |
| 05:02.58 | vahe1 | DocScrutinizer05: min |
| 05:02.58 | vahe1 | let's ask |
| 05:02.58 | vahe1 | 1. is there a way to fix the problem of "upgrade" and which repositories you need to install that all worked |
| 05:02.58 | vahe1 | 2. I want to update to 1.3.1 |
| 05:03.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1. click ~jrrepo |
| 05:03.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrrepos |
| 05:03.44 | infobot | it has been said that jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ |
| 05:03.46 | vahe1 | ok |
| 05:03.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2: the script does that |
| 05:04.23 | vahe1 | there are 6 pieces |
| 05:04.35 | vahe1 | how to install everything? |
| 05:04.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1. this is: in N900 open internet browser, click on http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/recommended.install |
| 05:05.12 | vahe1 | ah~ ok |
| 05:05.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is all you need |
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| 05:06.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | #1 lazyflashing, #2 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/recommended.install , #2 CSSU install |
| 05:06.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | #3 the last one |
| 05:07.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, I should add that to thelazyflashing intructions :-) |
| 05:08.06 | vahe1 | :) |
| 05:08.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's in http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach |
| 05:08.51 | vahe1 | I saved the instructions ,if there are problems will make the firmware already so |
| 05:09.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | please rephrase |
| 05:09.36 | vahe1 | but like you said now I don't need another firmware |
| 05:09.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | did I? |
| 05:10.07 | vahe1 | I will keep manual flashing |
| 05:10.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | then I can't help |
| 05:10.44 | vahe1 | but you said now I don't have the firmware yet ,so I kept just for the future |
| 05:11.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, you lost me |
| 05:11.25 | vahe1 | now do the user manual .intall and solve problems upgrage |
| 05:11.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I smell flase assumptions |
| 05:11.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | false* |
| 05:12.46 | vahe1 | we don't understand each other, thank you, everything is clear :) |
| 05:12.55 | vahe1 | thanks DocScrutinizer05 :) bye |
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| 20:46.48 | Juest | Hello, Any clue why skype telepathy crashes when switching to video on a call? |
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| 20:47.53 | Sicelo | codec maybe? |
| 20:48.21 | Juest | entire app fails |
| 20:48.52 | Juest | ask Oksana when she comes, i am not the maemo user experiencing the issue but the testing partner |
| 20:49.45 | Juest | SIP doesnt seem to work because i receive nothing when she attempts to call me |
| 20:50.33 | Juest | also, if she calls me on google talk it doesnt work but if i do it does and no video |
| 20:50.41 | Juest | Ideas? |
| 20:52.38 | Sicelo | i think i've experienced that skype crash too .. i think it's a codec problem that then causes a hang .. i never troubleshooted further (i don't really use skype) |
| 20:53.17 | Juest | audio works great btw |
| 20:53.27 | Sicelo | yes :) |
| 20:53.49 | Juest | google talk issue is sort of weirder |
| 20:54.23 | Juest | because only if i call it connects properly, if she calls me it drops as soon i answer the call |
| 20:54.39 | Juest | i am using Jitsi on windows |
| 20:54.45 | Juest | and skype 6 fyi |
| 20:55.06 | Juest | Should i try with a older version of skype? |
| 20:55.34 | Sicelo | let me know what you find .. i don't really have anyone to test with because almost no one uses skype here. the one person who has an account hardly ever logs in |
| 20:55.46 | Sicelo | (it's a battery drain on N900 btw) |
| 20:55.52 | Juest | :( |
| 20:57.12 | Juest | thanks sicelo, i'll try later |
| 20:57.20 | Sicelo | you have syslog? |
| 20:57.38 | Juest | No idea |
| 20:57.55 | Sicelo | install it, and maybe dbus-monitor .. they might give you clues |
| 20:57.57 | Juest | you can ask her in about two hours btw |
| 20:58.15 | Sicelo | oh .. so Oksana is the one with problem? |
| 20:58.33 | Juest | Yes, I am with her but she's the maemo user not me |
| 20:58.36 | Sicelo | (/me didn't know is a "she") |
| 20:58.46 | Juest | lol |
| 20:58.47 | Juest | nvm |
| 20:58.55 | Sicelo | i see .. now i get the relevance of jitsi :p |
| 20:58.56 | Juest | its a russian name :) |
| 20:59.40 | Juest | using linphone client for sip anyway, but jitsi does sip and google talk :) |
| 21:00.51 | Sicelo | she can install those two i suggested |
| 21:00.57 | Sicelo | maybe they'll give a clue |
| 21:01.08 | Juest | ok |
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| 21:13.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | stock SIP works just fine for me |
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| 21:21.19 | Juest | Well no idea, using Linphone.org and it doesnt work |
| 21:21.33 | Juest | i dont receive calls on the pc |
| 21:24.51 | Sicelo | has two SIP accounts (free) .. no one to call, haha |
| 21:27.08 | Juest | And apparently i cant call to other networks because it asks authentication :| |
| 21:29.52 | Juest | Sicelo: linphone.org? |
| 21:29.58 | Sicelo | i have that too |
| 21:30.03 | Juest | Well, it does work but its sort of flacky :( |
| 21:30.26 | Sicelo | want to call? i've just put it online .. id is the same as my nick |
| 21:30.28 | Juest | feels dumb |
| 21:30.45 | Juest | Okay, with jitsi i'll try |
| 21:31.41 | Juest | Connecting... |
| 21:32.35 | Juest | Nothing happens :s |
| 21:32.47 | Sicelo | hmm |
| 21:33.15 | Sicelo | sip:<nick>@sip.linphone.org? |
| 21:33.50 | Juest | Yes |
| 21:34.12 | Juest | and sip: is optional |
| 21:34.15 | Juest | or maybe not |
| 21:35.09 | Sicelo | on my N900, only ever used sip with my asterisk server (3 years ago) ... never really used this linphone account |
| 21:35.20 | Sicelo | pm me yours i'll try to call |
| 21:35.35 | Juest | Sicelo: Did a notice... lol |
| 21:36.57 | Juest | There it is |
| 21:37.06 | Juest | (i am using stereo mix for microphone) |
| 21:37.16 | Juest | i'll try now... |
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| 21:37.28 | Sicelo | lol .. my battery died |
| 21:37.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | (linphone) oh, on PC. well I tested all that was available, like 10 years ago, and finally ended at twinklephone which evolved to become the defacto reference implementation carriers use to test their own services against |
| 21:37.47 | Juest | Apparently i have issues making calls with Jitsi |
| 21:37.58 | Juest | as well as receiving calls via google talk |
| 21:38.01 | Juest | lol rip |
| 21:38.38 | Juest | Thank you anyway buddy |
| 21:39.28 | Sicelo | my battery clearly has too much internal resistance .. had 26% |
| 21:39.39 | Sicelo | Juest: so did you get a call at least? |
| 21:39.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | only downside of twinklephone: it makes thorough use of ALSA unique features which are not available under PukeAudio's crappy ALSA emu |
| 21:39.49 | Juest | Yes, i got a call but i cant call you |
| 21:40.04 | Juest | And my SGS4 GT-I9500 battery sucks |
| 21:40.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you can't call out, your registrar server is not working |
| 21:40.18 | Sicelo | how do you do it? i used the format above .. |
| 21:40.20 | Juest | i cant use the phone for long periods of time else it drops dead |
| 21:40.40 | Juest | I am putting just <nick>@sip.linphone.org |
| 21:40.46 | Juest | which is the correct way |
| 21:40.53 | Sicelo | Juest: yes, what DocScrutinizer05 is saying .. linpohone is actually very fussy even on N900 |
| 21:41.00 | Juest | sip: prefix is accepted too |
| 21:41.08 | Sicelo | check your configs :) |
| 21:41.12 | Juest | Tried ekiga which was worse |
| 21:41.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | sip.linphone.org, ojmy |
| 21:41.15 | Juest | Jitsi. |
| 21:41.29 | Juest | On Windows |
| 21:41.34 | Sicelo | i thought sip: was mandatory .. but then .. /me doesn't use SIP .. wish I would, but no one wants to use it |
| 21:41.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | there were several such crappy "community originated services", I recall ekiga which also never really worked |
| 21:42.32 | Juest | it is mandatory somewhere else, i am not sure where |
| 21:42.42 | Sicelo | yes, ekiga can't work on N900 due to some setting they need, and N900 can't be set for it |
| 21:42.56 | Juest | ekiga only supports a certain REGISTER approach |
| 21:42.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm talking about the servers |
| 21:43.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | not the client |
| 21:43.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know, SIP oughta be SIP |
| 21:43.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | twinklephone can do it all |
| 21:43.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has a bazillion config options |
| 21:44.04 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: that's a server? or service? :) |
| 21:44.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | to accomodate the last idiotic server |
| 21:44.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | twinklephone.org |
| 21:44.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | err .com |
| 21:44.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.twinklephone.com/ |
| 21:45.06 | Sicelo | ah, client |
| 21:46.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm using it with https://www.sipgate.de/ service |
| 21:46.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | since like 10 years, always works |
| 21:46.47 | Juest | Oh well |
| 21:47.06 | Juest | So what SIP free service i should use/be using!? |
| 21:47.17 | Juest | hates himself |
| 21:47.19 | Sicelo | Juest: if N900 can do it, then Jitsi should be able .. just recheck your settings. :) |
| 21:47.34 | Juest | its just stuck on Connecting |
| 21:48.41 | Juest | Auto DTMF, REGISTER keep-alive, no authorization name, support for encrypted calls enabled (zrtp), SIMPLE presence |
| 21:48.48 | Juest | These are the settings |
| 21:48.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Juest: (which service) that clearly depends on where you're living |
| 21:49.15 | Juest | There's barely services.... |
| 21:49.22 | Juest | I am in argentina |
| 21:49.35 | Juest | Oksana's in Australia... |
| 21:49.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | also completely free services are very likely to be shitty, since nobody has something to give away for free |
| 21:49.52 | Juest | lel |
| 21:50.24 | Juest | most of them are european |
| 21:50.34 | Sicelo | transport - udp, outbound proxy - sip.linphone.org, port 5060, loose routing, REGISTER keep alive, |
| 21:50.49 | Juest | linphone uses TLS |
| 21:50.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess there must be international commercial services available now that allow call-out for tiny money, free call-in, and of course free intra-service calls |
| 21:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | free world dialup comes to mind, dunno if that still exists |
| 21:51.29 | Sicelo | Juest: can you call others besides Oksana? also, our N900 doesn't do ZRTP. as for TLS .. dunno .. but what i showed above are the 'working' settings that are currently on my n900 |
| 21:51.52 | Juest | No clue about working ZRTP and sip.linphone.org is the registar |
| 21:51.59 | Juest | Dont have anyone else |
| 21:52.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, twinkle was the first client to implement ZRTP |
| 21:52.15 | Juest | Well, i do but different networks doesnt work well |
| 21:52.31 | Juest | from linphone official client it asks me Realm Authentication |
| 21:52.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | get twinkle |
| 21:53.01 | Juest | Yes, theres still dial-up DocScrutinizer05, but most phones dont have such function |
| 21:53.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 21:53.15 | Juest | true dial-up which is phone call based |
| 21:53.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you lost me |
| 21:53.38 | Juest | > free world dialup comes to mind, dunno if that still exists |
| 21:53.59 | Sicelo | drifts off to other things ... |
| 21:54.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | "freworld-dialup" is a company: fwd or somesuch |
| 21:54.12 | Sicelo | let me know if you/Oksana ever find anything about the skype problem |
| 21:54.20 | Juest | Sure. |
| 21:54.31 | Juest | laters sicelo |
| 21:54.39 | Juest | have a good night man |
| 21:55.01 | Sicelo | i've ordered two supposedly original batteries .. getting them next week. i hope my N900 will get normal agin |
| 21:55.04 | Sicelo | *again |
| 21:55.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ |
| 21:56.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Free+World+Dialup |
| 21:58.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Sip+Trunking+Providers |
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| 22:01.35 | Juest | checks out |
| 22:02.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and again, twinkle. Eventually Michel deBoer implemented a setup wizard for some VoIP provider who probably paid for that to offer a decent client to their customers. Might still work |
| 22:04.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | with twinkle on both ends, decent DynDNS or fixed IP, and a tad of NAT fiddling, you could even do direct IP2IP SIP, without any registrar |
| 22:04.22 | Juest | :p |
| 22:05.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | if by any chance you could use the german locale in twinkle, try it. It's *awesome* (and by me ;-P ) |
| 22:06.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | suse has twinkle1.9 |
| 22:06.42 | Juest | lol |
| 22:07.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what they did for twinkle 1.5 to 1.8 |
| 22:09.44 | Juest | I guess i should disable encryption thing |
| 22:09.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ZRTP? why? |
| 22:10.20 | Juest | Because thats probably making it get stuck on Connecting |
| 22:10.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | it should 'just work' and remain inactive as long as far end doesn'T support |
| 22:10.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, ZRTP establishes connections absolutely transparent |
| 22:10.48 | Juest | "Indicate support of ZRTP in signaling protocol" |
| 22:10.57 | Juest | ^ a checkmark |
| 22:11.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 22:11.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is just a signal you're sending that your client can handle ZRTP |
| 22:11.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't cause any known problems |
| 22:12.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | but sure, disable it |
| 22:12.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't hurt |
| 22:12.07 | Juest | Then no idea why its stuck on "Connecting" when i tried to call |
| 22:12.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ethereal is your friend |
| 22:12.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | cone NAT? |
| 22:12.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | enable STUN! |
| 22:14.04 | Juest | About that... it works ok when calling over gtalk |
| 22:14.27 | Juest | it fails to establish ICE when incoming call connects |
| 22:14.29 | Juest | wtf |
| 22:14.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | gtalk is XMPP iirc |
| 22:14.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ICE ~= STUN |
| 22:15.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you have a nasty NAT |
| 22:15.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | open your port 5060 and the RTP ports your service recommends |
| 22:15.31 | Juest | I am on DMZ |
| 22:15.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 22:16.01 | Juest | The issue is on the other side because.... well |
| 22:16.10 | Juest | its a default NAT'd network |
| 22:16.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | DMZ still doesn't mean your outbound port also creates an inbound path on same IP:port tuple |
| 22:16.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly for UDP |
| 22:16.33 | Juest | When *she calls* is when the issue happens |
| 22:16.35 | Juest | not when i do |
| 22:16.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | *DIS*able ICE/STUN for testing |
| 22:17.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm out for a beer |
| 22:17.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ethereal is your friend |
| 22:18.01 | Juest | ICE, UPnP, Auto discover STUN/TURN, own STUN severs, Jingle Nodes |
| 22:18.44 | Juest | is what's available for gtalk in jitsi |
| 22:19.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno why we're talking jitsi - never even heard of it |
| 22:20.45 | Juest | Because i am using that client |
| 22:20.58 | Juest | it was previously known as SIP Communicator or something |
| 22:21.49 | Juest | I am here because of Oksana and i am not a maemo user but trying to troubleshoot some maemo issues with her :) |
| 22:22.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.sipgate.de/basic/signup |
| 22:23.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | so when she's using maemo then why is jitsi relevant in all this? |
| 22:23.43 | Juest | Because i am the Jitsi for Windows user |
| 22:25.28 | Juest | ~_~ ffs |
| 22:28.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and i'm a twinkle on linux user, still how's that relevant for Oksana's problem? |
| 22:29.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | your jitsi doesn't need any special settings to talk to maemo SIP client |
| 22:31.47 | Juest | Well |
| 22:31.54 | Juest | Linphone client didnt work |
| 22:32.17 | Sicelo | and we've partly 'proved' that maemo's SIP client is working fine .. deduction - oksana likely has no problrm either |
| 22:32.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | thinks it's extremely inefficient and silly to debug person C's problems by talking via proxy person B |
| 22:34.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | even the statements are highly ambiguous - I don't have a clue who's using linphone, on which platform, and why |
| 22:34.30 | Juest | linphone has an official app |
| 22:34.32 | Juest | LOL |
| 22:34.47 | Juest | She tried to call me with me using that application |
| 22:34.50 | Juest | and it did not work |
| 22:34.54 | Juest | nothing happened on my side |
| 22:34.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, linphone app eventually got an 'oggicial' server which is supposed to be crap |
| 22:35.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | original even |
| 22:35.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | err official |
| 22:35.31 | Sicelo | Juest: maybe N900 enforces 'sip:' convention? |
| 22:35.51 | Juest | ... |
| 22:36.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: nope |
| 22:36.11 | Sicelo | ah, it appends it .. just tesed |
| 22:36.23 | Sicelo | *prepend, rather |
| 22:36.44 | Sicelo | (tested) |
| 22:36.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | check the RFCs listed on twinklephone.com |
| 22:37.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo client is mostly compliant |
| 22:37.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | linphone (server / client) though, NFC if it's even SIP still |
| 22:38.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh linphone never worked for me with sipgate registrar |
| 22:38.43 | Juest | Yeah, linphone clients asks me for Realm Authentication when i try to call to a user on a different registrar |
| 22:39.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | first you need to know if the different registrar even allows dial-in |
| 22:40.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | most don't anymore |
| 22:40.11 | Juest | Even if it does it asks for login |
| 22:40.18 | Juest | i think |
| 22:40.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible, linphone isn't made to handle this scenario I guess |
| 22:41.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw neither is maemo telepathy SIP client |
| 22:41.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | the vast majority of SIP clients only knows INVITE via registar server as proxy |
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| 22:46.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/SIP |
| 22:49.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol |
| 22:49.45 | Juest | :|} |
| 22:50.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SIP_call_flow_between_UA,_Redirect_Server,_Proxy_and_UA.png |
| 22:57.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((SIP clients only knows INVITE via registar server as proxy)) directly calling the callee's registrar proxy would be directIP2IP SIP which most clients can't do. Sending an INVITE of a different registrar's client to your own registrar is often not working since most dervices have no interest to support calls to other services |
| 22:58.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/dervices/services/ |
| 22:58.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~useless |
| 22:58.44 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 22:59.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither do they usually support inbound SIP calls from foreign origin |
| 23:01.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | the result of doing such inbound SIP call nevertheless is the far end registrar probably answering a by a 401 UNAUTHORIZED which causes caller's UA to pop up a registration dialog to enter the credentials for that assumed account |
| 23:04.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | note that the INVITE you send to *your* registrar (so it might forward it to the destination) is identical to the INVITE to the foreign registrar if your registrar forwards it. So the foreign registrar will think it's one of their clients who "forgot to REGISTER" |
| 23:04.57 | Oksana | Sicelo, DocScrutinizer: Thanks a lot! As the very least, linphone now manages to sign in (previously got Network Error, tried different settings randomly; Sicelo's settings just work) |
| 23:05.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: if you want a decent SIP gateway, feel free to query me for cheating the data on sipgate.de registration |
| 23:06.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.sipgate.de/basic/signup |
| 23:06.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a trunking service only |
| 23:07.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | means it does SIP only to clients |
| 23:07.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | err customers |
| 23:07.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | it allows free landline call-in though |
| 23:07.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course free SIP calls between customers |
| 23:09.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | they once offered SIP dial-in too, but this feature got cancelled worldwide basically (all trunking providers) since spammers used that feature for unsolicited calls to victims |
| 23:11.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you find a better service provider in one of the tutorials sites I linked |
| 23:12.16 | Juest | Ok |
| 23:14.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.google.de/search?q=free+SIP+network+service+provider |
| 23:15.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Free+VoIP+Networks |
| 23:19.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | please forget linphone provider/registrar, it sounds just odd and prone to introduce problems of all sorts |
| 23:20.23 | Juest | Oh dear |
| 23:22.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think you shpould call me 'dear', Oksana may though ;-) |
| 23:22.59 | Juest | Lol |
| 23:23.08 | Juest | Oksana: ping |
| 23:40.13 | Oksana | pong. And will try out sipgate |
| 23:43.05 | Oksana | "Oh dear" is just a saying, I guess, not literal ;-) |
| 23:47.38 | Juest | :) |
| 23:47.40 | Juest | yes |
| 23:47.49 | Juest | Oksana: And do try logging too please |
| 23:48.04 | Juest | Oksana: apparently got told that skype issue is codec crash |
| 23:49.25 | Oksana | Do I understand correctly that sipgate requires a street address, and one in Germany at that?.. |
| 23:49.58 | Oksana | thinks that it is very nice of them to ensure proper emergency call functionality |
| 23:52.10 | Oksana | Though the website does resemble a maze, somewhat |
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| 23:53.14 | Oksana | goes back to https://www.sipgate.de/basic/ |
| 23:55.47 | Juest | o_O? |
| 23:55.58 | Juest | is confused |
