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| 04:37.19 | luke-jr | fwiw, I managed to remove the stupid magnet USB thing |
| 04:40.38 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 04:50.16 | luke-jr | I was going to wait until after vacation, but found out it didn't even charge properly :< |
| 04:50.27 | KotCzarny | ooh? |
| 04:50.32 | KotCzarny | how come? |
| 05:10.47 | luke-jr | no idea |
| 05:11.13 | luke-jr | more annoyingly, the "P" in dial number doesn't actually owrk |
| 05:11.41 | luke-jr | oh well, I'll live |
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| 07:12.43 | souljack | I'm having an issue with getting CSSU stable to update, it is missing packages libhildon-thumbnail0 and some others. Is there a repository I'm supposed to be using other than the CSSU one? |
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| 07:27.16 | KotCzarny | pastebin the error |
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| 07:36.17 | souljack | http://pastebin.com/qLBRh6vG |
| 07:41.06 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 07:41.06 | infobot | i guess maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 07:42.18 | KotCzarny | what are your reopos? |
| 07:44.09 | KotCzarny | keep in mind, you are not supposed to use cssu-testing |
| 07:47.13 | KotCzarny | and i think you are missing muarf repos (mr0, apps) |
| 07:47.51 | KotCzarny | #deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ |
| 07:47.51 | KotCzarny | #deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ |
| 07:47.55 | KotCzarny | those two |
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| 08:08.09 | souljack | haha I was about to post those |
| 08:08.49 | KotCzarny | keep in mind app manager has its own config in /etc/apt/hildonsomething/ |
| 08:08.57 | KotCzarny | and it will overwrite your changes |
| 08:09.07 | souljack | I entered them into the app manager |
| 08:09.38 | KotCzarny | updated repos and still the same error? |
| 08:09.55 | souljack | it wants libhildon-thumbnail0 |
| 08:10.10 | souljack | same version as in pastebin |
| 08:10.31 | souljack | (>=3.0.51+0m5) |
| 08:10.35 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/libhildon-thumbnail0_3.0.51+0m5_armel.deb |
| 08:10.49 | KotCzarny | so tell me, what and where have you entered |
| 08:12.09 | souljack | I added a repo, added the first address (apps), left dist and components blank (this then defaulted to distribution "/" ) |
| 08:12.16 | souljack | the same with the other |
| 08:12.33 | souljack | this got rid of most the the dependancy problems when updating CSSU |
| 08:12.44 | KotCzarny | ok, lets check it in another way, please pastebin the apt respos config |
| 08:12.51 | KotCzarny | *repos |
| 08:13.22 | KotCzarny | though if it worked then there might be some dependency version conflict |
| 08:17.32 | souljack | where is it located |
| 08:17.47 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.08 | souljack | that's what I thought |
| 08:18.20 | souljack | /etc/apt -ls |
| 08:18.39 | souljack | there's no hildon here |
| 08:19.38 | KotCzarny | sorry, /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 08:20.38 | KotCzarny | for easy time you can use curl and transfer.sh instead of typing: curl --upload-file somefile http://transfer.sh |
| 08:22.22 | KotCzarny | http://pastebin.com/raw/6XBcEe0a |
| 08:22.24 | KotCzarny | this is mine |
| 08:22.41 | KotCzarny | (dont enable extras-devel, it might break things) |
| 08:23.43 | souljack | yeah, don't need it |
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| 08:34.28 | souljack | hm, it didn't generate a link |
| 08:35.45 | KotCzarny | true. wonder why |
| 08:36.02 | KotCzarny | < HTTP/1.1 503 Service Unavailable: Back-end server is at capacity |
| 08:36.16 | KotCzarny | poor transfer.sh got hammered |
| 08:36.27 | KotCzarny | (hint: add -v to curl ;) |
| 08:36.58 | souljack | ffs |
| 08:37.45 | KotCzarny | i think there was some other pastebin that had cmd line client |
| 08:38.17 | souljack | yeah |
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| 08:39.31 | souljack | http error before end of send |
| 08:40.02 | souljack | back end server is at capacity |
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| 08:45.36 | souljack | http://pastebin.com/s0swRjmn |
| 08:47.47 | KotCzarny | change / to ./ |
| 08:47.59 | KotCzarny | and fremantle-1.2 to fremantle |
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| 09:19.54 | souljack | now it wants n900-frmx-enabler |
| 09:20.53 | souljack | and the rest from before |
| 09:23.53 | souljack | upgrading |
| 09:34.17 | souljack | looks like it found it |
| 09:46.31 | souljack | brilliant, thanks |
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| 11:24.46 | KotCzarny | good |
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| 12:59.36 | KotCzarny | hrm, there is no 'remember/reset password' on maemo.org ? |
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| 14:21.04 | fishbulb | hey |
| 14:21.14 | fishbulb | the autocorrect dictionary canme back with an error |
| 14:21.24 | fishbulb | there's dozens of errors now, almost nothing is working anymore |
| 14:21.44 | fishbulb | what the hell is going to be on the neo900 |
| 14:22.09 | fishbulb | considering that NOTHING is open source. none of the modern chat programs with full file support that everyone uses |
| 14:24.52 | fishbulb | considering nearly all girls have all those stupid chat things, and every iphone/android normal user uses them too, two phones are required? one for rose tinted glasses nostalgia n900 purposes, and the other for normal modern phone use |
| 14:25.24 | KotCzarny | i use n900 as a phone (and audio player, and few other things) |
| 14:25.29 | KotCzarny | one is enough |
| 14:25.41 | KotCzarny | as for the girls, just go out and talk to her irl |
| 14:26.05 | fishbulb | you know there's an extra step now with whatsapp and all that bullshit |
| 14:26.43 | fishbulb | especially in any bigger city where they're reluctant to meet |
| 14:26.58 | KotCzarny | b*shit |
| 14:27.04 | fishbulb | but the n900 is crippled as it is |
| 14:27.09 | KotCzarny | you dont want those girls |
| 14:27.16 | fishbulb | there's a barely functional browser |
| 14:27.36 | fishbulb | the gps needs the specific address usually with zip code and everything |
| 14:28.30 | fishbulb | it doesn't have a search function like google maps, you have to put the specific address in (this is the only way I can still have this as my phone because gps is essential) |
| 14:28.41 | fishbulb | and then... linux commands, fine if you're logging into some computer |
| 14:29.24 | fishbulb | but otherwise youtube and shit doesn't really work, the browsers will work with mobile sites, it's probably doing pretty well for a 7 year old phone |
| 14:30.05 | fishbulb | but it's severely behind even 4yo android phones |
| 14:30.36 | KotCzarny | my n900 has oscp |
| 14:30.42 | KotCzarny | which is > any other phone |
| 14:30.56 | Wizzup_ | KotCzarny: not sure if I'd see that as the best argument, but yeah, n900 is awesome |
| 14:31.03 | Wizzup_ | I've never needed whatsdown |
| 14:31.24 | fishbulb | whatsapp? |
| 14:31.27 | fishbulb | it's very useful |
| 14:31.34 | fishbulb | what the hell is oscp |
| 14:31.43 | Wizzup_ | Can you explain why it is useful |
| 14:31.53 | fishbulb | file transfers, nothing else on the n900 does it |
| 14:32.05 | fishbulb | to normal people with normal phones. |
| 14:32.06 | Wizzup_ | Email isn't a thing anymore? |
| 14:32.19 | fishbulb | not really, no. |
| 14:32.24 | Wizzup_ | I figured that sshfs/scp and a server is just fine |
| 14:32.32 | Wizzup_ | but it sounds like you have a lot of incentives to fix it yourself |
| 14:32.35 | Wizzup_ | Looking forward to it |
| 14:32.42 | fishbulb | its' all impossible |
| 14:32.49 | Wizzup_ | Because just bitching about whatsapp isn't making anyone in here happy |
| 14:32.52 | fishbulb | zero of these are open source |
| 14:33.01 | Wizzup_ | Yet another reason to spit on whatsapp |
| 14:33.02 | fishbulb | none of them will ever work on the neo900 |
| 14:33.04 | Wizzup_ | Cheers |
| 14:33.22 | fishbulb | without some expenditure on the developers part probably |
| 14:33.25 | fishbulb | which will never happen |
| 14:33.30 | Wizzup_ | It is only impossible because facebook doesn't want it to happen |
| 14:33.39 | Wizzup_ | They are super hostile towards third party implementations |
| 14:33.49 | Wizzup_ | So why don't you direct your anger at them instead |
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| 14:45.31 | KotCzarny | fishbulb, ever heard of http/ftp ? |
| 14:45.34 | KotCzarny | or torrent? |
| 14:46.39 | KotCzarny | wizzup: speaking from personal perspective, as everyone has something favourited regarding apps |
| 14:49.54 | fishbulb | ftp to someone elses phone |
| 14:50.01 | fishbulb | you realise phones are mainly for communicating to other people |
| 14:50.27 | KotCzarny | just fucking get out and socialize with them face to face |
| 14:50.46 | fishbulb | you live somewhere very small don't you |
| 14:50.50 | Wizzup_ | fishbulb: We are not here to fix your social problems, blame facebook for being agressive to third parties |
| 14:51.36 | fishbulb | you aren't here to fix anything. all the apps that no longer work on the n900 will never work again |
| 14:51.59 | KotCzarny | not true for open source |
| 14:52.09 | Wizzup_ | fishbulb: Are you a prohpet? |
| 14:52.17 | fishbulb | you're expecting this neo900 userbase to sort of materialise out of thin air |
| 14:52.37 | Wizzup_ | What are you on about |
| 14:52.47 | fishbulb | there are how many n900 users still active |
| 14:52.54 | Wizzup_ | Like seriously, what do you wnat? |
| 14:52.59 | Wizzup_ | Are you upset your programs don't work? Fix them |
| 14:53.27 | fishbulb | my programs work. these aren't my programs |
| 14:53.30 | Wizzup_ | Or do you think that the userbase you're talking about will grow just by whining here? |
| 14:53.37 | KotCzarny | he cant, he is a hostage |
| 14:55.24 | Wizzup_ | For me, maemo works just fine. Could do with a more up to date browser/ssh, but that's really it. You can always run your own linux distro on it. |
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| 16:27.16 | Vajb | now when whatsapp is nolonger working with n900, guess what my mates invented? They started calling and sms'ing to me! How inconvient at 2016, right? |
| 16:27.47 | Vajb | inconvinient, maybe... |
| 16:28.17 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 16:28.35 | KotCzarny | awfully, do they also send you .. mms? |
| 16:29.24 | Vajb | they do, rarely |
| 16:29.31 | KotCzarny | how cruel of them |
| 16:30.50 | Vajb | yeah. Im feeloing so old whenever they do ;) |
| 16:30.56 | Vajb | feeling* |
| 16:30.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:32.24 | Vajb | all in all this day is turning to the irritating side |
| 16:32.46 | KotCzarny | not good, mine on the other side goes quite well |
| 16:32.52 | KotCzarny | trimmed TODO quite a bit |
| 16:32.54 | Vajb | alltho i was able to fix my friends ipod i can't seem to fix my gps device |
| 16:33.28 | Vajb | im beginning to think that flash drive is failing on this one |
| 16:34.10 | Vajb | and poor thing is barely as old as my beloved n900... |
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| 17:47.54 | souljack | I wish the source of Teamspeak was available |
| 17:48.14 | souljack | so it could be ported |
| 18:03.05 | KotCzarny | write to them and ask for armel binary for glibc 2.5 ? |
| 18:04.00 | luke-jr | lol |
| 18:04.06 | luke-jr | or just use Mumble or something free? |
| 18:07.40 | souljack | the problem is users luke-jr, when they're comfortable using one platform they won't just up and leave or use two concurrently |
| 18:17.04 | Sicelo | i have DJ'ed for a small Internet radio station here in South Africa for about 4 weeks .. they are using a piece of rubbish called SAM Broadcaster Pro. damn thing has very nice interface, and works fine (when it does). But 99% of the time it crashes, skips tracks, or some such nonsense. so when i started, i asked the owner if i could use my own software, and the technical contact said nothing else can work, and i must use SAMBC .. after my first show, i c |
| 18:17.44 | KotCzarny | sicelo: it got cut 'after my first show' |
| 18:18.15 | Sicelo | get decent client :p |
| 18:18.23 | KotCzarny | nope, it got cut :P |
| 18:18.41 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.45 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.49 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.52 | Sicelo | so yes, souljack is absolutely right. |
| 18:19.17 | Sicelo | will check logs |
| 18:20.14 | KotCzarny | Åogs |
| 18:20.17 | KotCzarny | ~logs |
| 18:20.22 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ |
| 18:20.22 | KotCzarny | ~ping |
| 18:20.22 | infobot | ~pong |
| 18:21.57 | KotCzarny | yup, i was right, its YOU that should get a decent client respecting server's rules about string lengths :P |
| 18:22.52 | Sicelo | lol |
| 18:23.07 | Sicelo | i've never known about any limit |
| 18:23.28 | KotCzarny | they are usually in rfc and/or on server join |
| 18:25.12 | Sicelo | while looking at logs i see a question i asked yesterday |
| 18:25.44 | Sicelo | does anyone know: how does N900 'know' that a wireless network it is connected to has no Internet access? I've noticed that it will switch back to 3G/2G automatically when Internet connection goes down on the AP (the AP is still connected 'locally'). So N900 sends some pings or something? |
| 18:29.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm there's actually only TOPICLEN=390 in the server capabilities info |
| 18:30.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | re AP without internet access: I never noticed maemo handling this |
| 18:31.34 | Sicelo | it has happened to me a couple of times .. unless something else also took place :-/ |
| 18:31.50 | Sicelo | i do notice that my WLAN is a little flaky of late |
| 18:31.57 | Sicelo | will test further |
| 18:32.34 | KotCzarny | sicelo, new neighbours maybe? |
| 18:33.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: check if your AP drops WLAN when the uplink goes down |
| 18:33.34 | KotCzarny | IRC messages are always lines of characters terminated with a CR-LF |
| 18:33.34 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.34 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.34 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.34 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.35 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.39 | KotCzarny | https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2812#section-2.3 |
| 18:33.57 | Sicelo | i've just killed the internet to it .. |
| 18:34.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly DHCP in AP might just proxy to a higher DHCP server at ISP |
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| 18:39.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | 123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789#123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789#123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789#123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789#123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789- |
| 18:39.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | 123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789#501_505_509_513_517 |
| 18:39.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmm |
| 18:40.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks like 440 |
| 18:41.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | but obviously that's Konversation doing that |
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| 18:44.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo "i have DJ'ed for a small Internet radio station here in South Africa for about 4 weeks .. they are using a piece of rubbish called SAM Broadcaster Pro. damn thing has very nice interface, and works fine (when it does). But 99% of the time it crashes, skips tracks, or some such nonsense. so when i started, i asked the owner if i could use my own software, and the technical contact said nothing else can work, and i must use SAMBC .. |
| 18:44.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | after my first show, i c"|wc -c |
| 18:44.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | 460 |
| 18:46.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly the remaining 50 chars are needed for IRC msg header |
| 18:46.23 | APic | IRC > 9* |
| 18:46.25 | APic | 8,1⺠|
| 18:46.38 | KotCzarny | f13e06e04l07i08n09g03 10l11u10c03k09y08? |
| 18:46.40 | APic | Yah |
| 18:46.49 | APic | playing at the http://JuNetHack.Net |
| 18:46.53 | APic | *Delight* |
| 18:47.09 | KotCzarny | 07g04o06o13d06 04o07l08'09 03m10i11r10c03 09d08a07y04s |
| 18:47.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | please don't |
| 18:49.04 | KotCzarny | hmm, forgot which char was doing the terminal blink |
| 18:49.10 | KotCzarny | i guess i'm old |
| 18:49.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | please don't |
| 18:49.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | other clients might act weird to such stuff |
| 18:49.52 | KotCzarny | even google isnt showing anything meaningful, which says a lot |
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| 18:50.54 | RST38h | ^G |
| 18:50.59 | KotCzarny | thats bell |
| 18:51.05 | RST38h | Also makes terminal blink. |
| 18:51.10 | KotCzarny | does it? |
| 18:51.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends |
| 18:51.22 | RST38h | That is a way to show bell with sound disabled |
| 18:51.23 | KotCzarny | there was a separate mode for terminal blink |
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| 18:51.31 | Wizzup_ | 20:49 < DocScrutinizer05> other clients might act weird to such stuff |
| 18:51.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | but please don't send crap in channel |
| 18:51.34 | RST38h | Do you just want blink character attribute though? |
| 18:51.37 | Wizzup_ | Shouldn't the clients be fixed? |
| 18:51.51 | KotCzarny | i think only screen was acting weird on asc(132) |
| 18:52.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup_: I'm going to ruthlessly ban anybody that makes other clients segfault on purpose |
| 18:53.12 | Wizzup_ | A terminal blink shouldn't make any client segfault. |
| 18:53.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | a terminal blink shouldn't get posted in a channel |
| 18:53.41 | Wizzup_ | sighs |
| 18:54.05 | RST38h | Kot: ESC[5m |
| 18:54.10 | KotCzarny | good ol' terminal days |
| 18:54.14 | RST38h | Enjoy |
| 18:54.27 | KotCzarny | and era of BUGGED terminal EMULATORS |
| 18:54.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is an ascii only channel, and I enabled color only since users seemed to be mature enough to not abuse it |
| 18:54.50 | KotCzarny | doc: ascii? what about utf? |
| 18:55.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | deprecated |
| 18:55.07 | RST38h | Kot: In order to understand this phenomena, look at the official VT220 programming manual |
| 18:55.08 | Wizzup_ | ⺠|
| 18:55.15 | KotCzarny | rst, i know, i know |
| 18:55.24 | RST38h | Kot: Better have someone with you though, in the case of a bad trip |
| 18:55.37 | Sicelo | what causes the popup for usb mode to not come up sometimes? :-/ |
| 18:55.45 | Wizzup_ | Sicelo: bad usb connection/port |
| 18:55.52 | Wizzup_ | or cable |
| 18:55.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Support] CASEMAPPING=rfc1459 CHARSET=ascii |
| 18:55.59 | KotCzarny | wizzup, sicelo: sometimes daemon goes stuck |
| 18:56.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ freenode server cappanilities |
| 18:56.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | period |
| 18:56.32 | Sicelo | any known way to restart 'daemon' ? |
| 18:56.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | capabilities even |
| 18:56.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: /etc/init.d/daemon restart |
| 18:57.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: reason: often a race condition |
| 18:58.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | the kernel module(?) is testing D+/- short same time it detects VBUS |
| 18:58.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | or sth along that line |
| 18:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | though this particular race makes requester come up when mating charger |
| 18:59.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm almost sure dbus drops signals every now and then |
| 19:00.02 | Wizzup_ | 20:56 < DocScrutinizer05> ^^^ freenode server cappanilities |
| 19:00.03 | Wizzup_ | 20:56 < DocScrutinizer05> period |
| 19:00.06 | Wizzup_ | that is only for nicknames and such |
| 19:00.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly on heavy CPU load |
| 19:00.22 | Sicelo | it has come just a while ago while connecting charger |
| 19:00.23 | KotCzarny | wizzup, rfc? |
| 19:00.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup_: that is also chan policy |
| 19:00.43 | Sicelo | sometimes i also feel like simply thrashing the N900 and live normally :p |
| 19:01.03 | KotCzarny | sicelo, ref;lash! |
| 19:01.04 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:01.14 | Wizzup_ | DocScrutinizer05: you're going to ban everyone who uses unicode¿ |
| 19:01.16 | KotCzarny | but any phone has bugs |
| 19:01.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | no. unicode is just deprecated |
| 19:01.40 | Wizzup_ | That's not even remotely funny |
| 19:01.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | just like excessive use of color |
| 19:01.49 | Wizzup_ | And a very western way of thinking |
| 19:01.54 | Sicelo | lol ... won't play with reflash when this is happening .. what if i do have a broken USB (again) |
| 19:01.56 | Wizzup_ | 'It coverrs our latin character set' |
| 19:01.58 | Sicelo | got to be sure first |
| 19:02.11 | KotCzarny | sicelo, easiest test: reboot |
| 19:02.30 | Wizzup_ | Sicelo: you should fix your cables so they are less likely to break your port, btw |
| 19:02.33 | KotCzarny | wizzup, ascii doesnt cover latin afair |
| 19:02.44 | Sicelo | oh my .. now suddenly fine |
| 19:02.52 | Sicelo | looks at the trash bin |
| 19:03.27 | KotCzarny | ISO 8859 includes the 128 ASCII characters along with an additional 128 characters |
| 19:03.29 | Wizzup_ | KotCzarny: æ |
| 19:04.02 | KotCzarny | btw. escape/terminal codes ARE ascii |
| 19:04.08 | Wizzup_ | :p yep |
| 19:04.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup_: there are channel policies that are defined by chanops. Those are basically just "don't act like a dick". Plain ascii with an occasional unicode is ok. somebody starting to write chinese here, using ascii graphics, puposely sending rogue unicode sequences that are known to make some clients segfault, etc, will earn them a ban |
| 19:04.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty simple |
| 19:06.22 | Wizzup_ | I don't see sending colours or using unicode as being a dick, but your weird strict stance on it does qualify as such |
| 19:06.29 | Wizzup_ | w/e |
| 19:06.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | non-printable chars like ESC don't belong into an IRC channel |
| 19:06.50 | Wizzup_ | Neither do clients that segfault on unstrusted input |
| 19:06.53 | KotCzarny | is space printable? |
| 19:08.03 | KotCzarny | wizzup, good ol' ATZ days |
| 19:08.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup_: are you practicing trolling? when I send you a worm since your OS has an open port, you won't agree with me that I'm completely right in doing so and it's entirely your problem to fix the vulnerability. Should the vuln get fixed? YES. Should anybody exploit it on purpose? DAMN NO! |
| 19:09.27 | Wizzup_ | I never said I was in favour of people attempting to crash a client, but just sending colour codes and such does not equate to attempts to crash a client... |
| 19:10.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I said "Please don't" instead of setting the channel /mode -c or banning anybody |
| 19:10.43 | RST38h | Doc <== being too polite |
| 19:11.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: :-D |
| 19:11.29 | RST38h | Wizzup: People do not like seeing your blinking, flashing, beeping, unicoding technicolor shit. |
| 19:11.39 | RST38h | Wizzup: Which part you do not understand? |
| 19:12.00 | KotCzarny | rst, you didnt get it |
| 19:12.01 | Wizzup_ | Speaking of practicing trolling... |
| 19:12.07 | Wizzup_ | is amazed |
| 19:12.09 | KotCzarny | unless it got deeper |
| 19:12.13 | Sicelo | technicolor :p |
| 19:12.14 | Sicelo | haha |
| 19:12.22 | RST38h | Kot: Did I forget "crashing" part? =) |
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| 19:12.46 | KotCzarny | i would bet on theoretizing, but that would take fun away |
| 19:13.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: apropos, it seems xchat still vulnerable to rogue string |
| 19:13.13 | RST38h | Kot: Nah, the key is to produce more pandemonium with less text. |
| 19:13.24 | KotCzarny | so, asc(132) ? |
| 19:13.38 | KotCzarny | hard to get into fewer than 1 char |
| 19:13.41 | RST38h | Doc: Have just been doing JavaScript for the last week. I can believe anything about it by now. |
| 19:15.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/clean-N900xchat-scrollback-from-rogue-string.sh could you have a look? |
| 19:15.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ancient crap, but seemingly still an issue on maemo xchat |
| 19:17.51 | RST38h | Doc: checkout entry for "^" here https://github.com/0intro/drawterm/blob/master/latin1.c |
| 19:18.57 | RST38h | It contains that rogue sequence |
| 19:19.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, how to implement it into maemo? |
| 19:19.57 | RST38h | This is what DrawTerm is: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Drawterm/index.html |
| 19:21.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I don't understand what's the suggested way to fix the issue in maemo, in particular |
| 19:21.59 | RST38h | I am not trying to fix it, merely trying to figure out the cause |
| 19:22.23 | RST38h | It is a very specific string with no obvious meaning, so it must be some magic number of sorts |
| 19:22.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly, yes. I suspect a null pointer thanks to some illegal codepage or somesuch |
| 19:23.47 | RST38h | The shell code itself is really not that simple |
| 19:23.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc (it's long time since back when) the issue was in gtk, not in the app |
| 19:24.17 | RST38h | It contains a line of non-ascii chars |
| 19:24.47 | RST38h | 0xC3XX then 0xE1XX |
| 19:24.58 | RST38h | They are not ASCII and not UTF-8 |
| 19:25.38 | RST38h | Doc: what version is Maemo XChat right now? |
| 19:26.48 | RST38h | Other question: Can you make it crash with a coredump, then quickly look at the coredump with gdb, do a "bt" and tell me what the stack looks like? |
| 19:27.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | (version) good question. Could I find out on cmdline? |
| 19:28.26 | RST38h | Dunno. Since I do not have Maemo dev environment any more, nor do I have a Maemo device handy, need version number and relevant stack trace to look at this issue. |
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| 19:30.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, forgot to connect my N900 to charger |
| 19:31.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders how to make WLAN & sshd start before PIN dialog |
| 19:32.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# xchat --version |
| 19:32.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | xchat 2.8.6 |
| 19:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | now for the coredump/bt |
| 19:33.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd rather run it under gdb to start with |
| 19:33.55 | RST38h | either way is fine |
| 19:33.55 | KotCzarny | 2.8.8 compiles out of the box, but xchat IS old already and unmaintained mostly |
| 19:33.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | if only I had gdb installed on N900 :-( |
| 19:34.03 | KotCzarny | there are alternatives |
| 19:34.52 | RST38h | pulled 2.8.6 sources for now, to stay true to what Doc is running. Just need the stack trace |
| 19:35.25 | KotCzarny | also, it might be something maemo related too |
| 19:35.35 | KotCzarny | try 2.8.6 on pc just to be sure |
| 19:36.53 | RST38h | given the contents of that shell script, some glibc/gtk mumbo jumbo fails trying to process the string containing >127 chars |
| 19:37.25 | RST38h | most likely because it either treats char as signed (negative offset => illegal offset) or has some table that is [128] in size |
| 19:37.54 | RST38h | Other wonderful possibilities exist but are less likely (stack trace will tell) |
| 19:38.55 | Sicelo | i wonder what happened with xchat .. it's got probably the best looks of all linux IRC clients .. :-/ |
| 19:39.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: doesn't look promising: |
| 19:39.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | (gdb) run |
| 19:39.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Starting program: /usr/bin/xchat |
| 19:39.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | warning: Unable to find libthread_db matching inferior's thread library, thread debugging will not be available. |
| 19:39.33 | RST38h | Sicelo: Maintainer moved on. New "open source heroes" no longer know how to program in C |
| 19:39.51 | Sicelo | sucks |
| 19:40.04 | KotCzarny | sicelo, irssi |
| 19:40.16 | KotCzarny | learn, use |
| 19:40.35 | Sicelo | i use irssi of course, lol .. but xchat does look nice, although i've never made it *my* client |
| 19:41.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no segfault triggered by rogue string in /query |
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| 19:45.50 | Sicelo | after 1 hour, N900 didn't disconnect from AP .. so guess i was spreading FUD :p |
| 19:46.01 | RST38h | try more traffic =) |
| 19:46.02 | KotCzarny | same for usb ca ble :P |
| 19:46.10 | KotCzarny | told you, new neighbours |
| 19:46.21 | KotCzarny | and their emi |
| 19:46.38 | Sicelo | cable did have real problem .. i restarted ke-recv to 'fix' it |
| 19:48.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0x1DCD 0x1E12 seems strange in that sequence. Even my recent linux PC shell acts up and behaves strange when moving cursor over it |
| 19:48.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | so maybe my assertion that xchat still is vulnerable to this rogue string was incorrect |
| 19:51.21 | Sicelo | FUD :) |
| 19:51.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway sorry, I can't make it segfault |
| 19:51.44 | RST38h | hm |
| 19:53.03 | APic | FUD > 9* |
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