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| 05:14.43 | KotCzarny | vectis: keep in mind software support is work in progress, ie. for android you have to swap image to something working, and for linux you still have to use legacy kernel on h3 based boards (which means chroots not working as expected, but that will change with mainline) |
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| 08:40.08 | Sicelo | pgp question (i probably should be asking elsewhere, but i guess you can help too) - i'm attending debconf, and there is apparently a key-signing party. i've never used PGP before, but would like to take advantage of this opportunity. is GnuPG the best way to go? what are the common gotchas i need to be aware of? |
| 08:51.23 | Sicelo | ah, deadline is not as soon as i thought it was .. still have a full week to read about this :) |
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| 10:06.18 | ginggs | hi Sicelo - do you already have a key? |
| 10:07.55 | Sicelo | not yet. will go throught the links on Anibal's mail. For some reason I thought the deadline was today, but have now realized it's next week |
| 10:08.05 | Sicelo | *through |
| 10:10.57 | ginggs | i *think* anibal's mail assumes you already have a key and want to participate in the key signing party |
| 10:11.18 | ginggs | do you have a debian or ubuntu computer to work from? |
| 10:11.23 | Sicelo | ah |
| 10:11.37 | Sicelo | yes, i use debian on my main pc |
| 10:12.19 | ginggs | that is the correct answer ;) |
| 10:12.38 | ginggs | https://keyring.debian.org/creating-key.html |
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| 10:15.46 | Sicelo | yes, been looking at that. seems easy enough |
| 10:16.05 | Sicelo | is it of any use though for a non-dev? :-) |
| 10:17.00 | ginggs | you can put 'keyserver hkp://keyserver.leg.uct.ac.za' in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf or specify 'keyserver.leg.uct.ac.za' when you upload your key - it will replicate to the rest of the world eventually |
| 10:17.33 | Sicelo | nice. will use that one ;) |
| 10:17.44 | ginggs | remember to bring a passport or some kind of identity document with you |
| 10:18.31 | Sicelo | will do. |
| 10:19.35 | ginggs | Sicelo: even non-devs need keys to sign or encrypt mail if they want |
| 10:20.45 | ginggs | you could generate a key and use it without ever being signed by other people |
| 10:21.29 | ginggs | but it's better if your key has been signed by other people (and the more the merrier) |
| 10:22.59 | azkay | Does the fremantle repo have fremantle1.2 in it? or do they have different stuff in them? I'm tring to mirror them to a local server, trying to figure out what I can get rid of to save space (just want n900 repos, ovi, community, extras, devel, testing) |
| 10:24.18 | KotCzarny | azkay, different stuff |
| 10:24.41 | KotCzarny | in the sense that deps are different, so its not good idea to mix them |
| 10:25.03 | KotCzarny | you only want fremantle not older things |
| 10:26.37 | Sicelo | ginggs: i'll participate. i may never get a similar opportunity ever (carpe diem) ;) |
| 10:27.42 | ginggs | Sicelo: \o/ |
| 10:28.26 | azkay | Thanks :) |
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| 10:31.14 | KotCzarny | also, bpi-m3 power req of only 2A is looking unrealistic |
| 10:33.18 | KotCzarny | i think tkaiser is biased because they didnt answer his bug reports |
| 10:33.46 | KotCzarny | and requests for schematics/info |
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| 11:39.49 | Sicelo | ginggs: does that keyserver support hkps:// ? |
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| 13:12.46 | Vajb | Sicelo: ur comment reminded me of seeing a boat named "carpe diem 2" at weekend. and i thought what happened to first one :) |
| 13:13.04 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 13:13.13 | KotCzarny | 'wife took it' |
| 13:13.14 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 13:14.04 | Vajb | hehe that or some quote from titanic "but this ship can't sink" |
| 13:14.32 | Sicelo | :) |
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| 14:23.14 | ginggs | Sicelo: no, i don't think it does hkps |
| 14:42.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | hkps is overrated |
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| 14:43.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | even way more than https is overrated for public websites |
| 14:45.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | when some MITM spy can sniff your traffic to the hktp server, they also can sniff all your pop/imap/smtp traffic and thus already know which mails and from whom you received |
| 14:46.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | they however invariably can _not_ fake signatures or decrypt mails |
| 14:47.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, they can fake signatures just like they could by uploading them to the hktp key server |
| 14:48.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you verify the signature, it's worth nothing |
| 14:48.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what keysigning parties are all about |
| 14:48.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and fingerprints, published out of band |
| 14:50.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and signatures on a bazillion of emails on public ML that all should be identical to the one you just evaluate |
| 14:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I consider the latter one a stronger "verification" that a keysigning party where somebody allegedly checked your identity by looking at a random possibly fake document |
| 14:52.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ML posts are historic evidence |
| 15:00.10 | Sicelo | okay |
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| 15:13.08 | Sicelo | ginggs: it's done, and uploaded to that keyserver :) |
| 15:19.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | send me a signed mail |
| 15:21.53 | Sicelo | what's your email address? :) |
| 15:22.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | /ns info DocScrutinizer05 |
| 15:23.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | also share your fingerprint in here |
| 15:24.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're logged in so I consider that as sufficent authentication to believe you are Sicelo |
| 15:25.24 | Sicelo | let me see how encrypted mail works for mutt (first time) |
| 15:26.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | only sign, not encrypt, please |
| 15:27.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw your key is already public |
| 15:27.55 | Sicelo | that was quick |
| 15:27.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | also gmail really now? |
| 15:28.33 | Sicelo | it sets the standards :p |
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| 15:29.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has the failtards |
| 15:29.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind, I don't care |
| 15:30.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway with gmail I'd also want to receive and send only encrypted mail ;-P |
| 15:30.23 | Sicelo | :) |
| 15:32.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | share your fingerürint! |
| 15:32.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | print even |
| 15:33.10 | Sicelo | C47E979291E3357710767378C91D0E98B18C7117 |
| 15:33.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta |
| 15:33.36 | Sicelo | is new to this mumbo-jumbo |
| 15:34.48 | Sicelo | and mutt has lots of stuff to set, it seems |
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| 15:37.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, configuring email clients for PGP is a mess |
| 15:39.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway mit.edu hkp has a signed version of your key, according to my kgpg |
| 15:39.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I verified correctness of the key by comparing fingerprint out of band |
| 15:40.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't verify identity |
| 15:40.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | for that please join a signing party |
| 15:42.03 | Sicelo | hence, ginggs ... signing party as part of DebConf16 |
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| 15:43.23 | Sicelo | it's quite likely this is the only signing party i'll ever be in, so trying to use the opportunity to the ful |
| 15:43.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:43.36 | KotCzarny | dont forget party hat |
| 15:43.57 | ginggs | Sicelo: aren't you planning to going to debconf17 in canada? :) |
| 15:43.57 | KotCzarny | and bassblaster connected to your n900 |
| 15:44.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 15:44.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never got around to it, then otoh I never needed that sort of verification either |
| 15:45.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | the whole "bring your key so we can sign it" was too much hassle for every event I ever met, had other more important things to pack ;-) |
| 15:46.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | and other more interesting talks to join on the event |
| 15:46.29 | Sicelo | canada is enticing yes, haha .. will see i'f i'm rich enough by then ;) |
| 15:47.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | canada?= |
| 15:48.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you already re-download your own key? |
| 15:49.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm no expert on that stuff either, but it should have a signature by me |
| 15:50.08 | Sicelo | i see that there's extra signature. thanks |
| 15:50.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | nb you technically don't need to download your own pubkey, the signatures are relevant for everybody but you |
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| 15:51.53 | Sicelo | i sent you a gmail .. did i sign correctly at least? |
| 15:54.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know, kmail sucks at inline signatures |
| 15:58.23 | Sicelo | okay. anyway, got to get some RL stuff done here in the meantime |
| 16:02.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://userbase.kde.org/KMail/PGP_MIME >>KMail no longer does in-line signatures. OpenGPG has to be used instead.<< whatever that means |
| 16:06.05 | ginggs | fwiw, i sign mail with gpg and then copy-paste into gmail web interface |
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| 19:37.35 | vectis3 | My phone stays in headset mode after unpugging them, any way to fix this other than a restart? |
| 19:39.30 | Sicelo | N900? |
| 19:45.36 | vectis3 | Sicelo: Yes, N900 |
| 19:47.59 | Sicelo | maybe the more knowledgeable will chime in .. but headphone switching on N900 is through software afaict .. am sure there's some /sys node somewhere which detects the HP |
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| 20:04.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes indeed |
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| 20:05.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | the problem isn't unheard of, and the easy fix is to plug and unplug again the headphones |
| 20:06.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are however lockups cause by fancy sequences like "plug wired hp, connect BT HP, unplug wired HP, plug wired HP again" or the like, which need a reboot for all I know |
| 20:08.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | also keeping hold button pressed while connecting the headset will result in faulty detection of headset type and you can't recover from that with other means than a re-mating |
| 20:12.18 | vectis3 | plug/unplug isn't fixing it unfortunately. These are standard earphones btw, not bluetooth. |
| 20:14.00 | Sicelo | when plugged in, do you get audio through them? |
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| 20:15.04 | sixwheeledbeast | I recall an issue where my headset /sys value increased on every mate cycle leaving the device stuck in headset mode. I believe a reboot and cleaning the jack with isoproyl fixed it. |
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| 20:17.02 | vectis3 | Yes, sounds working headphones. |
| 20:17.43 | vectis3 | working *through* headphones |
| 20:18.51 | Sicelo | reboot is likely quickest 'fix' :) |
| 20:20.00 | vectis3 | Ok, thanks. |
| 20:20.27 | Sicelo | i don't know the daemo that keeps track of hp |
| 20:21.06 | Sicelo | and my N900 is currently switched off .. can't even check |
| 20:21.43 | vectis3 | thats ok, it's not a big problem. |
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| 22:16.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: kernel stuff to start with |
| 22:16.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | nokia_av.ko or somesuch |
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| 22:19.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch -d -n1 'for f in /sys/devices/platform/nokia-av/type /sys/devices/platform/nokia-av/detect /sys/devices/platform/nokia-av/autodetect /sys/devices/platform/nokia-av/eci* /sys/devices/platform/soc-audio/eci_mode /sys/devices/platform/nokia-av/madc; do echo "$f: `cat $f`"; done' |
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| 22:37.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway dbus system bus is your best friend here, I guess (whoever is sender 1.9) http://paste.opensuse.org/36168680 |
| 22:38.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd almost bet 1.9 is HAL |
| 22:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1.19 prolly PED |
| 22:42.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | a slightly more comprehensive log of a plug event: http://paste.opensuse.org/95991905 |
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