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| 10:13.09 | x-system | Hello! When it will be new version maemo for n900? |
| 10:13.57 | Sicelo | what do you mean? |
| 10:14.46 | Sicelo | Maemo was abandoned by Nokia long ago, so there'll not be any new versions. Only Maemo 5 |
| 10:14.51 | Sicelo | there is CSSU however |
| 10:14.53 | Sicelo | ~cssu |
| 10:14.53 | infobot | cssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 10:18.00 | x-system | Hello! When it will be new version maemo for n900? |
| 10:18.33 | Sicelo | um .. didn't i answer that already? |
| 10:21.38 | x-system | I suppose, CSSU develiping maemo 5: fix bugs, adding new fitch. It true? |
| 10:22.03 | Sicelo | yes |
| 10:23.24 | Sicelo | there's obviously a limit to the addition of new features .. as the purpose of CSSU is to maintain close-to stock/standard behaviour, while fixing bugs, and optimizing performance |
| 10:23.28 | x-system | Now I have 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 - it last version? |
| 10:23.41 | KotCzarny | nope, cssu is latest |
| 10:24.01 | x-system | um.. |
| 10:25.13 | x-system | how can I see version in my n900? |
| 10:26.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | FSCK YOU gmail!!!! |
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| 10:28.46 | x-system | When changelog last version maemo5? |
| 10:37.04 | x-system | I realy confused. Now I have 21.2011.38-1 Tmaemo11, but you tell me what it not last version. But https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#Tmaemo10.1 last version 11.04.2015. I can't understand ) |
| 10:39.04 | KotCzarny | last firmware available is the one you cited |
| 10:39.17 | KotCzarny | but to get all updates it requires cssu |
| 10:39.38 | KotCzarny | as there is no firmware release from cssu |
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| 10:59.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: freemangordon: get a decent mail provider!! |
| 10:59.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and that's to you too, Greg KH! |
| 11:00.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | linuxfoundation can't afford to run their own decent MX :-/ |
| 11:00.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | linuxfoundation uses GOOGLEmail! |
| 11:01.02 | Pali | yes, torvlads too |
| 11:01.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | rotfl |
| 11:01.13 | Pali | *torvalds |
| 11:01.26 | Pali | sometimes pull requests for him are going into google spam |
| 11:01.28 | Pali | we know that |
| 11:01.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | didn't expect they were SUCH NOOBS ;-P |
| 11:01.49 | Pali | and so for sending patches and pull requests is ideal only gmail |
| 11:02.11 | Pali | because gmail --> gmail transport does not end in spam |
| 11:02.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 11:02.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | als OM->gmail ends in spam regularly lately |
| 11:03.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | and NO, I will NOT suggest to Paul Wise (OM admin) to create a SPF record for OM |
| 11:04.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | OM mail servers are known-good since ... 8some years |
| 11:05.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw LKML seems to be down too |
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| 11:13.28 | Pali | DMARC and SPF are one big shit |
| 11:14.12 | Pali | for supporting DMARC, kde bugzilla decided to remove and mangle From headers |
| 11:14.33 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: see my reported bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359603 |
| 11:14.40 | Pali | of course closed as INVALID |
| 11:16.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | as usual :-/ |
| 11:17.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | linux suffering an invasion by highly qualified total ignoramuses |
| 11:23.42 | Pali | "In regards to email standards, they're not relevant here." |
| 11:24.01 | Pali | "What commonly used email providers dictate as being required is relevant" |
| 11:24.19 | Pali | "as what people care about is getting their email in a readable form" |
| 11:24.40 | Pali | "GMail, followed by Yahoo are our top destinations for email delivery. So they set the rules." |
| 11:28.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359603#c7 says it all, those fools assign higher priority to gmail defacto "standards" than to RFC |
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| 12:41.35 | jonwil | hi |
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| 13:17.36 | x-system | Okey, 21.2011.38-1 Tmaemo11 - it last frimvare for my n900? |
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| 13:45.12 | Shapeshifter | the camera on my n900 appears to have stopped working. black picture in the camera app, grey in fcamera. what do? |
| 13:46.00 | bencoh | I suppose you tried rebooting and made sure it wasn't software-related? |
| 13:46.20 | Shapeshifter | I rebooted. could be software, not sure how to debug |
| 13:46.21 | bencoh | (like, you didnt play with cam drivers) |
| 13:46.35 | Shapeshifter | I didn't break it knowingly, no. |
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| 14:15.26 | ceene | Pali DocScrutinizer05 may that wrong headers be the thing that corrupts mails in modest? |
| 14:15.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 14:16.04 | Pali | ceene: which erong headers? |
| 14:16.20 | ceene | Pali: those From: someone via whatever thing |
| 14:16.21 | bencoh | wtf with that bug report oO |
| 14:16.37 | Pali | ceene: which From:? |
| 14:16.45 | ceene | from the bug report DocScrutinizer05 pasted before |
| 14:16.57 | ceene | And now in this week I got emails from KDE Bugzilla which format of From header is: From: via KDE Bugzilla <bugzilla_noreply@kde.org> |
| 14:16.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 14:17.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 14:17.19 | Pali | ceene: that is bug in KDE bugzilla |
| 14:17.26 | Pali | which I reported |
| 14:17.33 | ceene | yes, but what if modest receives a message formated like that? |
| 14:17.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the problem I ran into is gmail SUCKS |
| 14:17.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | formated like what? |
| 14:18.08 | ceene | From: via KDE Bugzilla <bugzilla_noreply@kde.org> |
| 14:18.13 | Pali | ceene: modest and also any other email client (gmail web too!!!!) show what is in From: header |
| 14:18.14 | ceene | and other random shit |
| 14:18.33 | Pali | so you will see "via KDE Bugzilla <bugzilla_noreply@kde.org>" |
| 14:18.50 | ceene | Pali: thing is, I've been experiencing glitches on the way modest displays emails after receiving on the n900 a mail originated in linux kernel mailing list |
| 14:19.08 | ceene | so i thought it could be related to that |
| 14:19.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ceene: that bug is unrelated to modest. But modest is known to cock up on all sorts of slightly unusual mail structures |
| 14:19.45 | Pali | modest in cssu-devel has fixes for some retarted bugs |
| 14:19.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I already said that |
| 14:20.22 | ceene | uhm, i must have missed that |
| 14:20.28 | ceene | to be honest, i don't know what i'm running right now |
| 14:20.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you run CSSU, you shouldn't even start to wonder why modest doesn't work |
| 14:20.37 | Pali | and if there are still big problems in cssu-devel version, write me proper description of that problem... and I can start thinking if that problem is a bug and if is possible to fix |
| 14:20.53 | ceene | i'll have to wait for it to break again |
| 14:21.00 | ceene | so i can check the offending mail |
| 14:21.02 | bencoh | pretty sure ceene runs cssu |
| 14:21.04 | Pali | merlin1991 wrote me that new cssu-stable is on go |
| 14:21.04 | bencoh | ;) |
| 14:21.14 | bencoh | Pali: woohoo for -stable \o/ |
| 14:21.16 | Pali | so security and bug fixes should be there |
| 14:21.33 | ceene | i'm running cssu, i just don't know if i got something from cssu-devel or not |
| 14:21.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | sighs at "postfix HowTo for dummies" |
| 14:23.09 | Pali | anyway, I'm fixing perl modules which generate and parse email (those from Email:: namespace) and I believe that we will have RFC compliant email support in perl :-) |
| 14:23.24 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: hm? |
| 14:23.28 | bencoh | regarding the From: rewrite? |
| 14:23.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 14:23.43 | Pali | shut up with From: rewriting! |
| 14:23.44 | Pali | :D |
| 14:23.53 | bencoh | haha |
| 14:23.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | regarding I had to *guess* that postconf might be a helpful command |
| 14:24.04 | bencoh | ah |
| 14:24.20 | Pali | From: header is filled by sender |
| 14:24.35 | Pali | and not modified or rewritten |
| 14:24.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | is there a good "HowTo postfix" for non-debian systems? |
| 14:24.54 | bencoh | yeah ... at least that's what should happen |
| 14:24.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | only the basics |
| 14:25.25 | Pali | try official postfix documentation? |
| 14:25.27 | Sicelo | arch usually has good wiki |
| 14:25.35 | Pali | there is documentation for postfix config file |
| 14:25.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | like this? http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html |
| 14:25.40 | Pali | for each config line |
| 14:26.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's pretty much useless since: it has no hint about e.g. postconf |
| 14:26.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't want to learn about 380 config options |
| 14:27.06 | Pali | $ man 5 postconf |
| 14:27.23 | Pali | and search for what you need |
| 14:27.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~> man 5 postconf|wc -l |
| 14:27.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | 7542 |
| 14:27.52 | Pali | yes that is full description |
| 14:27.57 | Pali | but what do you need? |
| 14:28.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | how am I supposed to know what I need before I read a friggin 7542 manpage lines? |
| 14:28.46 | Pali | if you need to change configuration of some specific setting, you can grep that documentation |
| 14:28.54 | Pali | I'm sure you find what you need |
| 14:28.55 | bencoh | ask your favorite search engine I'd say? |
| 14:29.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I need to *install* postfix |
| 14:29.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: guess what I did |
| 14:29.15 | Pali | ah, installation & first configuration |
| 14:29.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>The road to mail-server-setup is paved with carcasses of system administrators; one hand still clinging to their keyboards and the other reaching out to the light at the end of this gloomy path.<< |
| 14:29.30 | bencoh | haha |
| 14:29.41 | Pali | install it via package system |
| 14:29.49 | Pali | and then edit manually files in /etc/postfix/ |
| 14:29.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already did that |
| 14:30.15 | Pali | that http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html should be enough for normal basic settings |
| 14:30.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | edit config files - great! but WHAT in those 380 options in there? |
| 14:30.49 | Pali | leave default |
| 14:30.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess postconf command exists for a reason |
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| 14:31.08 | bencoh | yes, when you need to check actualy config |
| 14:31.28 | Pali | myorigin, mydestination and mynetworks is what you need to change |
| 14:31.45 | Pali | postconf is there as quick replacement for sed, ed and vim :-) |
| 14:32.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't believe that there's no 120 lines mini howto for setting up a basic working postfix |
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| 14:32.34 | Pali | what is wrong with that basic readme file? |
| 14:32.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | myorigin, mydestination and mynetworks? sounds simple enough |
| 14:33.04 | Pali | yes those are important |
| 14:33.23 | Pali | and if you have non retarded distribution then you have good default settings |
| 14:33.26 | bencoh | are you setting your own? |
| 14:34.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | wrong with readme basic? dunno, it was a tad intangible on first glance |
| 14:34.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe isn't |
| 14:34.23 | Pali | and if you need some specific configuration (e.g. enable STARTTLS only for specific port and reject emails which are not accepted under TLS tunnel) then you will find it in man 5 postconf... |
| 14:34.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 14:35.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess I'll find my way when it conmes to specific things |
| 14:35.19 | Pali | but if you choose manual e.g. for debian, it should work also on other distributions |
| 14:35.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | non retarded distribution - dunno, CentOS5 |
| 14:35.36 | Pali | it is same postfix, just files can be on different location |
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| 14:36.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | the manual for debian says the postinst script asks me for domain name and type of install (server, whatnot) - alas this doesn't apply to yum install postfix |
| 14:37.12 | Pali | yes, you need to skip those questions which are asked when installing |
| 14:37.25 | Pali | and go to steps, how to do that manually after installation |
| 14:37.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I thought "dang, they won't do that inside the postinst, so there must be a script for that" and thus found postconf |
| 14:38.30 | x-system | Hello. I have some problems with backupMenu. When I do backup I see "Error: cannot mount the eMMC. Try using FSK mode and see if that fixes it." I don't know what do. I try use FSCK - not changes. I not have memory card and do backup to MyDoc. Backupmenu version 1.2.0, frimevare - last testing. Can you help me? |
| 14:38.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | at that point I frowned at http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html |
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| 14:40.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | x-system: when eMMC is corrupted, you're usually out of luck when a first try with fsck (usually done automatically even, during boot) doesn't already fix it |
| 14:41.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | x-system: when you want to use BM to fix the problem, then you should flash vanilla before |
| 14:42.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you however want to make a *backup* of your already corrupted eMMC then you're possibly late |
| 14:45.13 | x-system | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, a (usually) soft hw-problem. IOW nothing a reflash won't fix |
| 14:48.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a tad unfortunate that flashing VANILLA also nukes /home, while you only need a fresh MyDocs aiui |
| 14:49.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe a mkfs on MyDocs would work |
| 14:49.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I'm busy |
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| 14:57.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: LOL http://paste.opensuse.org/65976032 |
| 14:58.36 | Pali | myorigin/mydestination/mynetworks is what you need to set according to your settings |
| 14:59.06 | x-system | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.19 | Pali | those settings must be configured by admin, not script... as only admin knows how he want to configure mail server |
| 15:00.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes. but even root could run a script that *asks* for those parameters |
| 15:00.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | x-system: please do a full reflash, then restore your backup |
| 15:01.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I gather you keep your backups on MyDocs, which means you've lost them |
| 15:02.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless somebody can talk you through a successful fsck session (something rarely ever seen for eMMC/MyDocs) |
| 15:04.26 | x-system | <DocScrutinizer05> Thank for you |
| 15:04.36 | Pali | x-system: if you have working bootmenu, you can export MyDocs block device via usb |
| 15:04.56 | Pali | and then run fsck on that exported block device from host computer |
| 15:05.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm yes, that might even work for fsck, no? |
| 15:05.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | beat me to it |
| 15:05.13 | Pali | it must work :-) |
| 15:05.39 | Pali | but if fs is totally damaged, then fsck will not be able to repair |
| 15:05.45 | Pali | just like local hdd |
| 15:06.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | scratches head at http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#myhostname |
| 15:06.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | myorigin = $myhostname (default: send mail as "user@$myhostname") |
| 15:06.36 | Pali | on linux does not matter if block device is local hdd, or some usb device connected to phone which is connected to mmc host controller |
| 15:06.58 | Pali | in both cases it is block device on which fsck can be started |
| 15:08.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | x-system: so first: start your system into backupmenu menu, attach to PC, select in BM menu to have MyDocs exported as USB storage |
| 15:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | attach to LINUX PC |
| 15:09.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | on linux PC run a fsck against the USB-attached new storage device |
| 15:09.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask here for details when you're there |
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| 15:20.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | x-system: if you want to do reflash, see |
| 15:20.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lazyflashing |
| 15:20.44 | infobot | from memory, lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach |
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| 15:31.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ((and if you need some specific configuration (e.g. enable STARTTLS only for specific port and reject emails which are not accepted under TLS tunnel) then you will find it in man 5 postconf...)) this is for sending mails via TLS POP3 from @anywhere, right? |
| 15:31.50 | Pali | no POP3, postfix is for SMTP |
| 15:31.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr nonsense, TLS SMTP |
| 15:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I hope it knows POP3 too, for fetching mails |
| 15:32.45 | Pali | you can enfore postfix to require TLS (either via STARTTLS or TLS tunel on decicated port 465) |
| 15:33.00 | Pali | postfix is not for fetching emails |
| 15:33.14 | Pali | it is SMTP server and relay |
| 15:33.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 15:33.41 | Pali | POP3/IMAP protocol for fetching emails is implemented e.g. in dovecot |
| 15:33.56 | Pali | postfix + dovecot is usual combination |
| 15:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I'm messing with shit postfix while I'm mainly interested in a facility to *receive* mails and fetch them from that facility via POP3 or IMAP |
| 15:34.51 | Sicelo | :-) |
| 15:34.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | headdesks |
| 15:35.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just learned why I *never* before touched that email shit |
| 15:36.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | postgray tricked me into thinking postfix was for receiving mails too |
| 15:36.47 | Pali | postfix implements SMTP protocol, and in SMTP is sender and receiver :-) |
| 15:36.56 | Pali | so it receive emails and put it them into user mailbox |
| 15:37.29 | Pali | but if you want to access that user mailbox from your server via internet to other computers, you need another protocol, either POP3 or IMAP |
| 15:37.37 | Pali | (or some web client) |
| 15:38.02 | Pali | and that part POP3/IMAP is implemented in dovecot, IMAP and POP3 server |
| 15:38.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah right. Thanks |
| 15:38.31 | Pali | it is like directory access |
| 15:38.46 | Pali | like tunned FTP or SFTP protocol specially for emails |
| 15:38.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | so postfix would suffice if I read my emails via ssh session on server ;-) |
| 15:39.01 | Pali | yes |
| 15:39.22 | Pali | running mutt on that server is enough |
| 15:39.34 | Pali | and lot of people prefer this over IMAP or POP3 |
| 15:39.54 | Pali | because all POP3 and IMAP clients sucks |
| 15:39.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | the rest uses webmailers ;-P |
| 15:40.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I will get that POP3 shit running after I replaced friggin cyrus by postfix, for inbound mails |
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| 15:43.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | as if I had no other 'funny' things to do, than to set up a new system with mailserver and webserver and all |
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| 16:21.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki lmtp |
| 16:30.06 | Sicelo | random musing: as much as most of us may not 'like' it, Outlook.com seems to have very good spam detection algo, beating Gmail by far |
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| 16:35.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | postfix --version => postfix: invalid option -- - |
| 16:36.47 | Sicelo | postfix blues today, eh |
| 16:36.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | OMG 2.3.3 |
| 16:42.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: could you help me out which is TLS-server and which client? |
| 16:43.35 | Pali | do not understand |
| 16:43.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | in my world the client initiates the session |
| 16:44.04 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: MTA<->MTA session you mean? |
| 16:44.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, prolly, yes. Rather MTA<->MUA |
| 16:45.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | or specifically thunderbird<->postfix |
| 16:46.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | thunderbird would initiate a TLS-SMTP session |
| 16:46.20 | bencoh | then the client issues STARTTLS |
| 16:46.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | is it client or server? |
| 16:46.29 | bencoh | afaict |
| 16:46.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | the cert lives on postfix side |
| 16:47.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | thunderbird wouldn't even check the cert for validity |
| 16:47.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, not really |
| 16:49.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: for a postfix install that is supposed to handle inbound SMTP requests from my MUA via TLS, is the postfix a TLS server or a TLS client? |
| 16:50.02 | Pali | ah, now I understand what you need :-) |
| 16:50.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for the possibly idiotic question |
| 16:50.22 | Pali | you need SMTP server which will accept emails from your TB and then send it |
| 16:50.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 16:50.36 | Pali | postfix is still SMTP server here |
| 16:50.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks :-) |
| 16:51.07 | Pali | in some relay mode |
| 16:51.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 16:51.26 | Pali | and you probably want to authenticate with name+pass |
| 16:51.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I however need to know if the SMTP server is also TLS server, or TLS client |
| 16:52.04 | Pali | it is TLS server |
| 16:52.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks a lot |
| 16:52.28 | Pali | as server listen for connection |
| 16:52.40 | Pali | TB does not listen for incomming connection |
| 16:53.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | smtpd_tls_security_level = may |
| 16:56.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | which isn't to be found in main.cf template :-/ |
| 16:59.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | sigh, nevertheless it's in main.cf.default |
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| 18:43.23 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: how do you say in german "subject: header of email"? |
| 18:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouphh, I'd probably not translate it ;-) |
| 18:44.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | lemme check what my mail client says |
| 18:44.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, english |
| 18:44.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I dunno the german words commonly used |
| 18:45.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | subject is maybe "Betreff" |
| 18:45.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | header most likely has no proper german term |
| 18:46.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Betreff: Header der email" |
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| 18:47.29 | Pali | ok, I will look into thunderbird or kmail language files... |
| 18:47.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | blockheads at Siemens would use "Betreff: Kopf der elektronischen Post" |
| 18:48.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | email is neo-german, and prolly header is as well |
| 18:50.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/06/08/plasma-desktophw2277.png |
| 18:50.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | there is no fitting german term for header |
| 18:51.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | only for qualified header, like letter header = Briefkopf |
| 18:51.23 | Pali | I thought that there could be some technical word for it |
| 18:51.27 | RST38h | heard something similar about jars in German |
| 18:51.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | so email header would be "Email-Kopf" but I definitely never heard that |
| 18:51.41 | Pali | or something which is used... |
| 18:51.47 | RST38h | plenty of different jars, just not the jar in general. True? |
| 18:52.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 18:52.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | jar is "Glas" or "Topf" |
| 18:53.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can say "clean the 'Glas'" but when you say "write the 'Kopf'" you need an established context, talking about emails since 2 minutes already |
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| 18:55.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: though yes, we have 100s of "jars": Marmeladenglas, Gurkenglas, Uringlas... - but you have that in english with "beer glas" too |
| 18:56.24 | RST38h | Heh =) |
| 18:57.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ding even tells me >>jar [colloq] -> Glas Bier<< |
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| 19:09.56 | merlin1991 | oh the joys of postfix |
| 19:10.17 | merlin1991 | I set up mine to disallow plain text auth |
| 19:10.19 | merlin1991 | that took a while ... |
| 19:12.53 | merlin1991 | but iirc dovecot setup was even worse |
| 19:15.43 | bencoh | 19:47 < DocScrutinizer05> thunderbird wouldn't even check the cert for validity |
| 19:15.47 | bencoh | err, what? |
| 19:16.27 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: oh by the way, see saslauthd+postfix for your need |
| 19:41.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta |
| 19:42.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: :-// dovecot was next on my todo. Getting rid of cyrus |
| 19:43.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | which I never touched nor grok |
| 19:44.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | server move, incl bashing for bitrotten OS from provider, and a cyrus OOM today |
| 19:44.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | like xmas |
| 19:44.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-( |
| 19:44.49 | bencoh | dovecot is pretty simple |
| 19:45.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: ((check for validity)) I referred to using a self-signed cert |
| 19:45.49 | bencoh | ah |
| 19:45.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | so no CA shit involved |
| 19:47.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | sasl spams my log with brute-force failed logins |
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| 19:48.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly funny: Jun 8 21:28:44 lagrange saslauthd[2349]: do_auth : auth failure: [user=spam] [service=smtp] [realm=] [mech=pam] [reason=PAM auth error] |
| 19:49.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | frowning at no IP in that loglines, for fail2ban |
| 19:54.15 | bencoh | I wouldn't keep f2b around anyway, but your call |
| 19:54.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | why not? |
| 19:55.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: ^^^ |
| 19:56.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | not that I'd really worry anybody could do real harm by stuff like http://paste.opensuse.org/18962823 - but it sucks and bloats my syslogs |
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| 20:14.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: what is the killer argument to not simply share a working postfix/main.cf? |
| 20:14.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | ey al |
| 20:14.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | et* al |
| 20:15.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | honestly I'm tempted to write a job, doing some sed /// |
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| 20:29.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: what is the killer argument to not simply share a working postfix/main.cf et al? |
| 20:30.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | honestly I'm tempted to write a job, doing some sed /// |
| 20:30.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: please query me |
| 20:56.13 | Vajb | i have odd behaviour of bme-replacement. Battery is succesfully calibrated, but when charge comes around 7% left battery voltage is at 3248 region and device will soon turn off because of empty battery. |
| 20:57.41 | Vajb | first i thought that this is because my mugen battery is getting weak (after one year of use), but this keeps happening with my new battery as well. So either something is odd on my device or this is normal behavior and is just odd in my opinion. |
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| 21:36.56 | ShadowJK | I suspect you should more or less consider 6% empty, that's what I have always done.. |
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