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| 00:08.36 | Oksana | Question: can telepathy provide "somebody is typing" notifications/indicators? |
| 00:48.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | that depends first and foremost on the underlying protocol, I guess |
| 00:57.55 | Oksana | Hmm, should research... Side-note: playing chess with contacts would be nice https://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Tubes/ |
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| 01:04.27 | Oksana | Okay, on a making-sense point: just like audio-or-video-call takes whole screen, forcing user to switch windows for text messages, chess-game has full right to take whole screen, leaving any text messages in a separate telepathy-window |
| 01:05.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders how chess comes to IM |
| 01:06.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | wants a generic sensor-actor extension in XMPP ;-) |
| 01:07.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait, I guess this has already been demonstrated during last CCCamp |
| 01:08.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Projects:Teledildonics |
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| 01:11.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm not responsible for content of websites I'm linking to |
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| 01:17.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least you can bet on it becoming a big success story, when sex is involved |
| 01:18.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | just like video via internet, which... we know all why videos on internet got "invented" to start with |
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| 01:56.54 | Oksana | Huh, at least link is clear enough that most people would recognise risks before opening it |
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| 02:58.26 | klopsi-u3 | i need your donations |
| 02:58.34 | klopsi-u3 | for a new website |
| 02:59.08 | klopsi-u3 | about jewish priests sucking baby cocks |
| 02:59.14 | klopsi-u3 | yumyumbabypenis.com |
| 03:00.24 | klopsi-u3 | send money now |
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| 03:10.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
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| 05:24.30 | klopsi-u3 | why are there 171 people here |
| 05:32.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | why are you here? |
| 05:32.41 | klopsi-u3 | i am curious |
| 05:32.54 | klopsi-u3 | i use maemo |
| 05:33.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're close to a kickban for absolutely inappropriate XXX posts |
| 05:35.39 | joga | "close"? ;p |
| 05:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | joga: everybody deserves a warning |
| 05:41.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | though in this particular case I was very tempted to instantly use the banhammer |
| 05:52.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | also klopsi-u3 didn't troll so far, so I guess that was some mishap |
| 05:54.24 | klopsi-u3 | DocScrutinizer05: |
| 05:55.08 | klopsi-u3 | i got a legion of government assholes threatening me |
| 05:55.22 | klopsi-u3 | you are a mushroom |
| 05:55.34 | klopsi-u3 | i just stopped by to say hi |
| 05:55.55 | freemangordon | bot? |
| 05:55.59 | klopsi-u3 | you are a pustule |
| 05:56.03 | klopsi-u3 | on my skin |
| 05:56.06 | klopsi-u3 | i pop you |
| 05:56.22 | klopsi-u3 | what? |
| 05:56.38 | klopsi-u3 | i am a descendent of Charlemagne |
| 05:56.41 | klopsi-u3 | i am a king |
| 05:56.43 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 05:56.48 | *** mode/#maemo [+b klopsi-u3!*@*] by DocScrutinizer05 |
| 05:56.49 | *** kick/#maemo [klopsi-u3!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer05 (T900: "User terminated!") |
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| 05:57.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: nope, see chanlogs which have him as a reasonable user since nov 2015 |
| 05:58.55 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 05:59.34 | freemangordon | weird. maybe |
| 05:59.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | now he's wasting his own time sending me query |
| 06:00.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | drunk, I guess. Or on dunno which drug |
| 06:00.13 | freemangordon | :) |
| 06:01.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/30997158 |
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| 10:00.43 | bruce_lee | \(^_^)/ @all |
| 10:02.50 | bruce_lee | I can't make yappari/whatsApp work on my nokia n900 |
| 10:03.03 | bruce_lee | is yappari working for you guys? |
| 10:03.07 | KotCzarny | because WA is broken |
| 10:03.25 | KotCzarny | latest news are always in yappari thread on tmo |
| 10:03.59 | bruce_lee | what is "tmo"? |
| 10:04.08 | KotCzarny | talk.maemo.org |
| 10:06.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yappari is broken |
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| 10:46.38 | jon_y | bruce_lee: it is dead |
| 10:46.41 | jon_y | forever |
| 10:46.48 | jon_y | get an iphone :) |
| 10:47.11 | KotCzarny | jon_y: ceene gave up? or did i miss anything |
| 10:47.31 | jon_y | KotCzarny: WA implemented end-to-end encryption |
| 10:47.50 | jon_y | if someone broke it, sure, we'll have compatibility :) |
| 10:48.01 | jon_y | *mandatory encryption |
| 10:49.17 | KotCzarny | jon_y: yes, and ceene was working on it |
| 10:49.32 | jon_y | still working on it? |
| 10:49.50 | KotCzarny | jon_y: didnt see him giving up yet |
| 10:50.05 | jon_y | huh I got the impression he stopped permanently |
| 10:50.28 | KotCzarny | jon_y: link? |
| 10:50.52 | jon_y | let me get that |
| 10:52.05 | jon_y | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1503625&postcount=1397 |
| 10:52.58 | KotCzarny | jon_y: yeah, its a message about users not using yappari before he gets it working again and not to get banned |
| 10:53.11 | KotCzarny | because WA bans just for a wrong client |
| 10:53.20 | jon_y | yep |
| 10:53.36 | KotCzarny | but he didnt say he definitely dropped yappari |
| 10:53.58 | jon_y | I got the impression he meant something will replace it |
| 10:54.05 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 10:54.24 | KotCzarny | it will still be called yappari if he fixes encryption and protocol |
| 10:54.47 | KotCzarny | and you can see clearly in his message about that |
| 10:54.49 | jon_y | k |
| 10:54.58 | jon_y | oh well, no rush |
| 10:55.16 | jon_y | I've blocked most of my WA contacts anyway ;) |
| 10:56.00 | jon_y | insipid trash coming through otherwise |
| 10:56.09 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 10:56.42 | jon_y | I have no idea if facebook will be like that too if I do setup an account |
| 10:56.53 | KotCzarny | coers those good contacts to switch to telegram or jabber |
| 10:57.08 | jon_y | telegram? |
| 10:57.19 | jon_y | that telegram with the marconi set? |
| 10:57.27 | KotCzarny | nope, modern app |
| 10:57.28 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 10:57.37 | jon_y | huh, tell me more |
| 10:58.14 | KotCzarny | ask other former-yappers |
| 10:58.19 | KotCzarny | i use only irc |
| 10:58.28 | jon_y | jabber I know, but I doubt it will be easy to convince my friends to switch, since they have friends too that need convincing |
| 10:59.32 | KotCzarny | quick google: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91888&highlight=telegram+client |
| 11:00.04 | KotCzarny | but as i said, ask/google |
| 11:00.44 | jon_y | ok, never heard of it |
| 11:01.05 | KotCzarny | i think its one of the bigger im services |
| 11:02.16 | jon_y | the service has a really generic name |
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| 11:50.18 | Vajb | jon_y: i use jabber, but no point since none other wont |
| 11:50.37 | Vajb | i switched back to sms |
| 11:51.12 | Vajb | now im that old grumby mofo who refuses to adopt new tech |
| 11:51.51 | Vajb | but there is jabber client for android and probably for other os as well |
| 11:52.30 | Vajb | i installed one to my tablet to see if it works and it does |
| 12:06.48 | jon_y | Vajb: yeah well, friends are sending me pictures |
| 12:07.03 | jon_y | and the service provider 3G doesn't work |
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| 12:26.57 | Vajb | for me they started showing them straight from their phone screen's |
| 12:43.29 | jon_y | "3G service is not activated for this phone!" |
| 12:43.34 | jon_y | oh well |
| 12:43.39 | jon_y | I can live without mms |
| 13:05.12 | kerio | rip mms |
| 13:06.06 | ceene | jon_y: i haven't still given up, but i'm pretty near, to be honest |
| 13:06.30 | jon_y | ceene: care to share some technical details? :) |
| 13:06.30 | ceene | i got a french number from a fellow tmo user, so i'm using it to debug yappari |
| 13:06.36 | ceene | sure |
| 13:06.39 | ceene | there are two issues right now |
| 13:06.48 | ceene | one is that i've gotten banned at least once just because |
| 13:07.02 | ceene | the other one, that is make yappari completely useless |
| 13:07.08 | ceene | is that i can't get it to work with the ciphering protocol |
| 13:07.22 | jon_y | you found the cipher already? |
| 13:07.25 | ceene | for some reason i'm not able to acquire encryption keys of receipients |
| 13:07.51 | ceene | i've got an implementation that was supposedly working on sailfish |
| 13:08.00 | ceene | it's also very similar/identical to the one that yowsup uses |
| 13:08.09 | ceene | but there's something missing some place that i've yet to discover |
| 13:08.19 | jon_y | the keys are unique to each user? |
| 13:08.27 | jon_y | PGP style? |
| 13:08.38 | ceene | yes, not only that but they're also session keys |
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| 13:08.45 | ceene | so they change from time to time |
| 13:08.53 | jon_y | interesting |
| 13:09.14 | jon_y | btw, are there any plans to make it work with the web interface? |
| 13:09.21 | jon_y | it tells you to scan some QR code |
| 13:09.22 | ceene | https://www.whatsapp.com/security/WhatsApp-Security-Whitepaper.pdf |
| 13:09.31 | ceene | no, not at all |
| 13:09.36 | jon_y | ok |
| 13:09.37 | ceene | i still got to make it simply work |
| 13:09.46 | ceene | so no new functionality at all unless the basics start working |
| 13:09.55 | jon_y | sure, I guess that can come later |
| 13:10.40 | jon_y | ceene: is it expected that Yappari crashes a few times during normal operations? |
| 13:10.53 | ceene | it is not expected for yappari to work at all |
| 13:10.53 | jon_y | mysterious exits |
| 13:11.09 | jon_y | I mean a few months back before the encryption kicked in |
| 13:11.15 | ceene | so if it somehow works for you... you really should stop using it, as you will get banned sooner or later |
| 13:11.29 | ceene | that's something that used to happen from time to time, yeah |
| 13:11.39 | ceene | it was almost completely fixed, though |
| 13:11.53 | jon_y | memory limitations? |
| 13:11.53 | ceene | but if you missed some update it's very easy that you suffered from that, yes |
| 13:12.01 | ceene | no, protocol mismatch |
| 13:12.09 | jon_y | oh ok, that explains |
| 13:12.29 | jon_y | since I don't update too often (or use yappari often) |
| 13:12.51 | jon_y | only found out about it being broken a month or so |
| 13:13.11 | jon_y | *a month or so ago |
| 13:13.12 | ceene | lucky you then :) |
| 13:13.45 | jon_y | yeah messages from busy muted contacts suddenly stopped :) |
| 13:18.27 | jon_y | ceene: so, is there a way to check if you're banned without starting yappari? |
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| 13:29.50 | ceene | you can use yowsup |
| 13:30.23 | ceene | yowsup-cli registration -m MCC -n MNC -p PHONE -C CountryCode |
| 13:30.30 | ceene | it'll try to register your phone |
| 13:30.42 | ceene | if you receive the sms, everything's okay |
| 13:30.50 | ceene | that line is lacking -r sms at then |
| 13:30.54 | ceene | s/then/the end/ |
| 13:31.05 | ceene | if you're banned, yowsup will tell |
| 13:31.17 | ceene | status=fail, reason=blocked |
| 13:31.23 | ceene | or something like that |
| 13:48.41 | jon_y | huh ok |
| 13:48.51 | jon_y | thanks ceene |
| 13:49.21 | jon_y | I need to find out what the MCC/MNC values are |
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| 14:23.46 | jon_y | ceene: INFO:yowsup.common.http.warequest:{"status":"fail","reason":"no_routes","retry_after":3600,"sms_wait":0,"voice_wait":0} |
| 14:23.50 | jon_y | no route? |
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| 14:40.39 | ceene | i don't know the reason for that |
| 14:40.45 | ceene | it may be wrong mcc/mnc values |
| 14:40.57 | ceene | you should wait however 3600 seconds before trying again |
| 14:41.02 | ceene | or you may get banned if you're not already |
| 14:52.33 | jon_y | hmm ok |
| 14:54.12 | jon_y | ceene: does android/s40 matter? |
| 15:16.35 | bruce_lee | is it possible to use yowsub to write and read wa-messages? |
| 15:17.28 | ceene | jon_y: it shouldn't |
| 15:17.30 | ceene | bruce_lee: it should |
| 15:17.44 | jon_y | ok, still getting no_routes |
| 15:18.09 | jon_y | ceene: where do you store the password on the n900? |
| 15:20.39 | ceene | /home/user/.config/scorpius/yappari.conf |
| 15:22.17 | jon_y | thanks |
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| 15:36.42 | L29Ah | how do i SYNC THE TIME FUCKING NOW? |
| 15:36.49 | L29Ah | maemo's gsm syncing thing doesn't seem to work |
| 15:36.55 | L29Ah | openntpd doesn't seem to work |
| 15:36.56 | KotCzarny | sntp -s pool.ntp.org |
| 15:37.08 | L29Ah | `date` is too dump to eat http's timestamp |
| 15:37.26 | L29Ah | E: Couldn't find package sntp |
| 15:37.42 | KotCzarny | it should be in ntpd package |
| 15:37.59 | L29Ah | E: Couldn't find package ntpd |
| 15:38.18 | KotCzarny | you can also try rdate, but not all servers enable this older protocol |
| 15:39.05 | ceene | ntpdate |
| 15:39.11 | L29Ah | E: Couldn't find package rdate |
| 15:39.23 | L29Ah | E: Couldn't find package ntpdate |
| 15:39.26 | KotCzarny | hehe, just grab etch package and unpack ntpdate from there |
| 15:39.49 | sunshavi | this works for me 'sudo rdate -s ptbtime1.ptb.de' |
| 15:39.53 | KotCzarny | you will probably need one additional tiny package |
| 15:40.24 | L29Ah | maemo is dead :< |
| 15:40.35 | ceene | http://paste.debian.net/713217 |
| 15:40.41 | KotCzarny | no, its not |
| 15:40.42 | ceene | maybe that |
| 15:40.47 | KotCzarny | it's hacker's os |
| 15:40.50 | ceene | but it requires gpsd |
| 15:40.52 | L29Ah | -bash: gcc: command not found |
| 15:41.15 | L29Ah | gentoo is hacker's os |
| 15:41.16 | ceene | apt-get install easy-debian? |
| 15:41.24 | L29Ah | and maemo is just a rotten debian |
| 15:41.36 | ceene | time to go home! |
| 15:41.52 | KotCzarny | l29ah, stop complaining and acting like a spoiled ubunter :P |
| 15:42.03 | L29Ah | in gentoo everything just works ;P |
| 15:42.34 | L29Ah | Wizzup: did you bring up a GUI btw? :] |
| 15:43.06 | L29Ah | Wizzup: where can i read about your gentoo? |
| 15:47.57 | Wizzup | L29Ah: I have X, yeah. |
| 15:48.05 | Wizzup | L29Ah: I have a file with notes, didn't write a blog post yet |
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| 18:05.57 | KotCzarny | tkaiser: regarding sun upgrade, thats called technology progress |
| 18:06.18 | KotCzarny | also, it would be nice to see how stable those sbc are |
| 18:06.46 | KotCzarny | ie. if they burn out eventually due to constant activity |
| 18:07.29 | KotCzarny | oneinsect: increase ramdisk size? |
| 18:10.47 | L29Ah | Wizzup: what about a touch-friendly app launcher and window manager? |
| 18:10.56 | Wizzup | nope, haven't had the time yet |
| 18:12.41 | KotCzarny | drat, wrong chan again |
| 18:12.48 | L29Ah | i'd be nice if you post your notes to some wiki/vcs so i can jump in the fun someday :] |
| 18:12.54 | L29Ah | like https://wiki.maemo.org/Gentoo/N900 |
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| 18:28.16 | Wizzup | L29Ah: ok, right now I'm a bit busy/stressed, but I'll make a note to do it asap |
| 18:28.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | luke-jr: https://wiki.maemo.org/Gentoo/N900 !!! |
| 18:28.42 | luke-jr | ? |
| 18:28.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | just *read* the first 3 lines |
| 18:29.11 | luke-jr | ? |
| 18:29.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | are YOU "me"? |
| 18:29.35 | luke-jr | probably |
| 18:29.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 18:29.50 | luke-jr | lol |
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| 21:56.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-06-01 Wed 14:48:34] <Centurion_Dan> I proposed a Code of Conduct recently for the NZ Open Source Society, because all the others were far too wordy to be useful and effective. |
| 21:56.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-06-01 Wed 14:48:45] <djph> ... it's too bad "do unto others..." and/or "seriously, don't be a dick" aren't good enough. |
| 21:56.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-06-01 Wed 14:49:05] <djph> or rather, aren't seen as "good enough" |
| 21:56.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-06-01 Wed 14:49:18] <openfbtd> djph, but they are. âThere are no rules. There are no rules about moderation either, enjoy your ban.â :) |
| 21:56.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-06-01 Wed 14:50:22] <openfbtd> Conduct rules hurt communities more than they help, because when you have rules, you have a whole other class of trolls who game the system while technically not breaking any. |
| 21:56.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-06-01 Wed 14:50:22] <Centurion_Dan> It basically boiled down to that simple don't be a dick, and if you are a dick then we will deal appropriately with you if somebody complains about it. |
| 22:28.05 | Oksana | Telepathy sometimes swallows some of the recent incoming (not outcoming) messages in a conversation, and tried to forget name of the sender (Conversation title becomes " (xx)" where xx is number of unread messages). Probably caused by very large total number of messages in the conversation. Unpleasant bug... |
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| 22:35.29 | Oksana | Mussorgsky: take a look at ExFalso if you wish. ExFalso is not a competitor due to futuristic Python dependencies, but some of its code could give ideas on how to add more features to Mussorgsy (like Track Number, or something) |
| 22:37.20 | Oksana | is looking at id3lib , meanwhile |
| 22:46.21 | Oksana | dep: libid3-3.8.3c2a What kind of dependency is that?! /EasyTag in wheezy/ There is libid3tag0 0.15.1b in Maemo 5, how do they even correspond?.. |
| 22:47.58 | Oksana | Okay, this libid3-3.8.3c2a I can just fetch, it has no additional dependencies of its own |
| 22:52.41 | Oksana | It's easier to add Wheezy repository and install EasyTag than download one or two dozens of dependencies. But at least, all of them should be doable? Hopefully |
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| 23:38.54 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer05: beware the SJWs |
| 23:39.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf sjw |
| 23:41.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-06-01 Wed 14:55:52] <fsmithred> benevolent dictatorship is very useful and appropriate in some situations |
| 23:43.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-06-01 Wed 14:56:05] <djph> (1) "Don't Panic" (2) "Don't be a dick" (3) "If you're deemed to being a dick, mods will ban you" |
| 23:43.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-06-01 Wed 14:56:07] <openfbtd> Basically it's the âspirit of the lawâ vs âword of the lawâ |
| 23:43.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-06-01 Wed 14:56:49] <Centurion_Dan> Not really neccesarily, but in the NZOSS case we had to shut down the CoC discussion because it was turning into the sort of flamewar that would require a CoC to clean up the casualties. |