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| 13:31.44 | ceene | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/microsoft-bangs-the-final-nail-in-nokia-devices-coffin-fires-the-last-1850-workers/ |
| 13:32.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:32.12 | ceene | great plan that of MS |
| 13:32.25 | KotCzarny | they only needed IP (patents) |
| 13:32.34 | KotCzarny | and they got it almost free |
| 13:32.52 | ceene | nokia hardware designers were fucking brilliant |
| 13:33.12 | KotCzarny | well, crazy too |
| 13:34.30 | ceene | in other news, ahycka and i may be fired today |
| 13:34.39 | ceene | we'd have lots of free time to work on yappari and neo900 |
| 13:35.34 | KotCzarny | is it beer related? |
| 13:35.40 | ceene | lol |
| 13:35.40 | ceene | nope |
| 13:35.41 | ahycka | no xD |
| 13:35.57 | ceene | it's related to being assigned a project to be done in one month when our stimates are or at least 6 months |
| 13:36.27 | ceene | so, odds are they try to make as work on august, which is the complete opposite of our contract as employees here |
| 13:36.35 | ceene | s/as/us/ |
| 13:36.40 | ahycka | but, they live in another universe with 48h per day, 60days per months and 30 months per year |
| 13:36.57 | ceene | so, if that happens, we'll have to say "screw you and your alternate universe" |
| 13:37.28 | ahycka | ceene you must relax before the meeting |
| 13:37.34 | ahycka | play tetris! |
| 13:37.35 | ceene | funny thing is the company has like 9 employees (3 of them which have been contracted this week) |
| 13:37.46 | ahycka | 9? |
| 13:37.56 | ceene | so, if the only two guys that do the real work (ahycka the PCB and myself the embedded programming) go away |
| 13:37.57 | ahycka | last year we were 4 xD |
| 13:38.04 | ceene | the full company will fall down in a matter of minutes, really |
| 13:38.31 | ahycka | nooo ceene, our job is very easy |
| 13:38.37 | ceene | JC, JB, JP, Nacho, Parraga, you, me, new Alvaro, Simon and the hamradio guy |
| 13:38.41 | ahycka | it can be done buy a monkey |
| 13:38.42 | ceene | we're like 10 guys |
| 13:38.52 | ceene | only ahycka and me do the products... |
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| 13:39.08 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 13:39.16 | ahycka | s/buy/by |
| 13:39.23 | ceene | you're missing a final / |
| 13:39.27 | ahycka | s/buy/by/ |
| 13:39.31 | ceene | lol |
| 13:39.32 | ahycka | hahahahahaha |
| 13:39.37 | KotCzarny | maybe they got bought |
| 13:39.50 | ceene | oh, no, but they think they've got a contract with a big company |
| 13:39.57 | ceene | that's the project to do on 1 month |
| 13:40.06 | ceene | i say "think" because they haven't signed anything yet |
| 13:40.13 | ceene | but he's still contracted 3 new people to help work on that |
| 13:40.49 | ahycka | without money xD |
| 13:40.59 | ceene | of course they'll only be doing the things that can, more or less, be done in one month |
| 13:40.59 | ahycka | hmm, 3months holidays loooooooool |
| 13:41.07 | KotCzarny | or the whole thing is a scam and your boss is going to run away with moneys ;) |
| 13:41.30 | ahycka | nah, my boss is stupid |
| 13:41.38 | ceene | our part of the job, which requires a 12 layer PCB with an FPGA, DDR chip, a couple of ADCs, etc... and the firmware to load on that FPGA, of course has to be done on one month too... |
| 13:41.58 | ahycka | and its the biggest part of the project |
| 13:41.59 | ahycka | so |
| 13:42.01 | ahycka | no product |
| 13:42.03 | ahycka | no money |
| 13:42.08 | ahycka | no company |
| 13:42.12 | ahycka | holidays!!!!! |
| 13:42.17 | ceene | just the time that manufacturing that PCB takes is almost beyond the 4 weeks timespan we've got for that |
| 13:42.42 | ceene | so we've redacted a couple of pages with a realistic timeline and we'll see what happens |
| 13:42.58 | ahycka | holidays!!!! |
| 13:43.00 | ceene | last time i had a conversation with our boss about pcb design timing he just told me to "let's work harder then!" |
| 13:43.07 | ceene | so... |
| 13:43.13 | ceene | it isn't look very good now |
| 13:43.14 | KotCzarny | well, usually being first to the market is better |
| 13:43.30 | KotCzarny | who knows, there might be some plan in that madness |
| 13:43.35 | ceene | lol |
| 13:43.37 | ceene | there isn't :) |
| 13:43.38 | ahycka | looooool |
| 13:43.52 | ceene | we don't do consumer electronics |
| 13:43.59 | ahycka | nope |
| 13:44.03 | ceene | and this is a special project managed by the european space agency |
| 13:44.11 | ceene | already assigned to the bigger company we have the contract with |
| 13:44.29 | ceene | so, really, unless someone has been smoking crack, there's no fucking way to do this |
| 13:45.23 | ahycka | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7My0m7WSGlY |
| 13:45.39 | ceene | :D |
| 13:46.07 | ahycka | i need lisa's pills |
| 13:46.07 | ahycka | xD |
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| 15:49.46 | ceene | well, we're still employed |
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| 15:49.57 | ceene | at least until the company completely goes broke |
| 15:52.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:54.55 | Sicelo | ceene: i hope that doesn't happen though, lol .. or you're about to start your own company? |
| 15:55.47 | ceene | we'd be happy to work here forever, as long as they respect our working conditions and our work in itself |
| 15:56.01 | ceene | but more often than not, they forget about at least one of them... |
| 15:56.21 | ceene | bad news is Yappari will have to wait till the weekend |
| 15:56.30 | ceene | good news though is that some other guy from tmo has offered me his phone |
| 15:56.38 | ceene | there's a lot of good people in this community :) |
| 15:57.29 | Sicelo | i need yappari badly, lol ... but work comes first :) |
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| 15:59.19 | ceene | sorry, man :) |
| 16:03.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:03.34 | KotCzarny | ceene - the biggest number banner in the world |
| 16:03.35 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 16:03.43 | ceene | :D |
| 16:04.00 | KotCzarny | well, in WA world at least |
| 16:17.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | ceene: not even smoking crack helps to make a 12layer in 4 weeks, heck you won't get the PCB from PCBmanuf next 4 weeks even when you order it today |
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| 16:22.42 | KotCzarny | page_fault_in_nonpaged_area |
| 16:22.46 | KotCzarny | gotta love windows |
| 16:29.37 | Sicelo | :) |
| 16:30.00 | Sicelo | why you trying to open pages having reached the end of the book, haha |
| 16:36.31 | KotCzarny | mine is still 'in transit' |
| 16:37.26 | KotCzarny | um, wrong chan |
| 16:39.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | ceene: it's a tad worrying when ESA has such poorly managed projects |
| 16:53.01 | Vajb | ha! LMD: 3300mah |
| 16:56.49 | Vajb | KotCzarny: my friend got goog one with windows ME. "windows is repairing registry. Windows can not find registry" |
| 16:57.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:57.35 | KotCzarny | my favourite is: Error: no error |
| 16:57.52 | KotCzarny | or in another iteration: Error: operation completed successfully |
| 16:58.23 | KotCzarny | offtopic: using oscp on windoze in cygwin shell via ssh to play nfs mounted files |
| 16:58.47 | KotCzarny | doing things not the windoze way. checked! |
| 16:58.59 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: how "upstream" is cygwin? |
| 16:59.19 | KotCzarny | fmg: i dont understand that question |
| 16:59.36 | freemangordon | as I am planning to use it to do some rsync over ssh, so I wonder about the security |
| 17:00.14 | KotCzarny | hard to say, but its updated and maintained, so i guess cygwin is as good as it can be assuming different worlds and apis |
| 17:00.17 | freemangordon | well, how in sync is cygwin with upstream version s of th epackages |
| 17:00.31 | KotCzarny | rsync works nicely on windoze |
| 17:00.39 | freemangordon | I know :) |
| 17:00.56 | freemangordon | already tested it, now we're in process of making the final product |
| 17:01.25 | KotCzarny | 3.1.2-1 |
| 17:01.35 | freemangordon | what is it? |
| 17:01.44 | KotCzarny | rsync version available |
| 17:01.57 | KotCzarny | so i say its quite upstream |
| 17:02.01 | freemangordon | well, I am more worried about openssh |
| 17:02.15 | KotCzarny | 7.2p2-1 |
| 17:02.16 | freemangordon | as rsync runs over ssh tunnel with public key auth |
| 17:02.58 | freemangordon | hmm... |
| 17:03.01 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.18 | freemangordon | good :) |
| 17:03.20 | freemangordon | OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.7 |
| 17:03.23 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 17:03.44 | KotCzarny | turns up the volume and goes back to shooting aliens |
| 17:06.07 | Venemo_j | freemangordon: what's up with your effort to make linux 4.x workable on N900? |
| 17:06.30 | freemangordon | Venemo_j: well, it works :) |
| 17:07.32 | freemangordon | we have everything, but cameras SGX and DSP driver upstreamed (unless I miss something), with cameras send as RFC on linux-media ML |
| 17:08.02 | freemangordon | ~fptf |
| 17:08.03 | infobot | rumour has it, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
| 17:08.15 | Venemo_j | cool |
| 17:08.34 | Venemo_j | does hardware graphics acceleration work? |
| 17:08.35 | freemangordon | Venemo_j: see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1503893&postcount=159 and the following post |
| 17:08.43 | freemangordon | Venemo_j: yes, with maemo |
| 17:09.37 | Venemo_j | yup, I saw that post |
| 17:09.42 | Venemo_j | very nice work! |
| 17:10.07 | freemangordon | well, since then we put IRTX driver in shape, I expect it in 4.7 |
| 17:10.25 | Venemo_j | why just with maemo? how about any other OS? |
| 17:10.44 | freemangordon | Venemo_j: because this is what I use |
| 17:10.47 | freemangordon | :) |
| 17:11.38 | freemangordon | Venemo_j: but I don;t see any problem with other OSes running as well, besides HW accell |
| 17:11.57 | freemangordon | though this should be achievable as well IMO |
| 17:12.03 | KotCzarny | fmg: we also dont have pvr driver! |
| 17:12.04 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:12.15 | Venemo_j | why wouldn't the hw accel work with other oses? |
| 17:12.17 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: SGX == PVR ;) |
| 17:12.30 | freemangordon | Venemo_j: missing userspace drivers |
| 17:12.41 | Venemo_j | doesn't ti offer some binaries? |
| 17:12.48 | KotCzarny | ahm, you didnt use ',' |
| 17:12.57 | KotCzarny | thought its some special camera mode ;) |
| 17:13.16 | freemangordon | Venemo_j: yes, but I've never played with it, so have no idea if they work |
| 17:13.46 | Venemo_j | will just have to see for myself someday |
| 17:14.43 | freemangordon | yeah, please share the result when and if you do it |
| 17:14.47 | Sicelo | Wizzup is using some other OS .. forgot which .. maybe he's tried that too |
| 17:15.31 | freemangordon | there is some networking distro on TMO as well, never tried it |
| 17:15.58 | Venemo_j | networking distro? |
| 17:15.59 | freemangordon | also, DocScrutinizer05 said that devuan guys are going to make n900 image |
| 17:16.29 | freemangordon | Venemo_j: yep, something with "rolling" in its name :D |
| 17:16.46 | Venemo_j | ah. |
| 17:16.53 | freemangordon | hmm, Iguess it is Kali linux |
| 17:17.35 | freemangordon | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96573 |
| 17:18.36 | Venemo_j | interesting |
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| 17:20.34 | Venemo_j | and freemangordon, how does your 4.6 fare with regards to power management? |
| 17:21.17 | freemangordon | still problems, but OMAP maintainer(tmlind) has posted some patches lately |
| 17:21.44 | freemangordon | he said the last one is musb, though I doubt a bit :) |
| 17:21.59 | Venemo_j | musb=? |
| 17:22.06 | freemangordon | usb controller |
| 17:22.52 | freemangordon | Venemo_j: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg139978.html |
| 17:23.14 | Venemo_j | ah, cool |
| 17:23.25 | freemangordon | hmm, wait, this is the old series |
| 17:23.41 | Venemo_j | it's a bit suprising to see that there is still activity on such an old chip |
| 17:24.11 | freemangordon | Venemo_j: that one http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg140687.html |
| 17:24.50 | freemangordon | hmm, which reminds me I have to find time to test it |
| 17:25.16 | Venemo_j | cool stuff |
| 17:25.19 | freemangordon | is going afk, bbl |
| 17:25.25 | Venemo_j | thanks for showing me freemangordon :) |
| 17:25.30 | freemangordon | np :) |
| 18:04.12 | Pali | hi! what is state of new CSSU?? |
| 18:10.51 | Sicelo | no new CSSU :) |
| 18:10.55 | Sicelo | or there is? |
| 18:11.19 | Pali | there are couple of updated packages on github since last CSSU-T and also CSSU-S |
| 18:15.25 | Vajb | there is new thumb version atleast |
| 18:21.43 | Venemo_j | what exactly was the problem with thumb on the n900 anyway? |
| 18:21.53 | Venemo_j | all I remember is that it was broken |
| 18:28.17 | Vajb | there was two bugs in hw, but they got fixed by sw. At least that's how i understood it. Look for CSSU-Thumb from maemo.org |
| 18:29.33 | Venemo_j | I saw it on the wiki |
| 18:29.39 | Venemo_j | but it didn't say |
| 18:42.13 | freemangordon | Venemo_j: read the cssu-thumb thread on TMO |
| 18:45.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | or simply assume Vajb is right, though the fix was complicated and on kernel level |
| 18:46.38 | Venemo_j | freemangordon: okay |
| 18:46.58 | Venemo_j | is the fix upstream? |
| 18:47.14 | Venemo_j | in other words, is it includes in your 4.6? :) |
| 18:47.25 | Venemo_j | s/includes/included |
| 18:48.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | I think it would be cruft for generic kernels |
| 18:49.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's fixing a very specific bug in just one particular SoC |
| 18:51.04 | luke-jr | one of the fixes was linker-level IIRC? |
| 18:54.55 | freemangordon | Venemo_j: yes. |
| 18:55.03 | freemangordon | luke-jr: :nod: |
| 18:57.02 | Venemo_j | awesome |
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| 19:22.06 | freemangordon | yet another piece of the puzzle is going to be fit in place :) https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/5/25/335 |
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| 19:51.49 | Wizzup | Sicelo: yeah, but I don't use it regularly yet |
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| 22:33.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: any proper readme on ASoC explaining what exactly they talk abougt with 'sidetone'? |
| 22:34.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | I think ASoC people pretty much live in their own univertse which is largely unentangled with rest of the world |
| 22:34.47 | ds3 | what about sidetone? |
| 22:35.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | sidetone in my book is a term from phone specific mixer settings, unrelated to OMAP |
| 22:36.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | aiui it means a audio path from mic to earpiece |
| 22:36.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | same class like e.g. comfort noise |
| 22:37.31 | ds3 | okay.. the OMAP can do that in HW |
| 22:37.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | uhuh |
| 22:38.03 | ds3 | the McBSP has features to do that |
| 22:38.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | duh! |
| 22:39.20 | ds3 | ??? |
| 22:39.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | didnt know |
| 22:40.39 | Sicelo | sorry to brge in with unrelated question .. i read on wiki that dbus-monitor may be power hungry? if i need to keep track of a dbus signal continuously, what's best way to do that? |
| 22:40.45 | Sicelo | *barge |
| 22:41.18 | ds3 | the McBSP is a wonderful IP block |
| 22:41.44 | kerio | is it a BSP from mcdonalds? |
| 22:43.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | Sicelo: dbus-monitor should not be too power hungry |
| 22:45.17 | Sicelo | ah, that helps :) |
| 22:46.53 | bencoh | strace it to make sure .... it waits nicely for a syscall to return |
| 23:03.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure |
| 23:03.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | of course |
| 23:04.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's just not optimized to filer out only the interesting msgs/signals |
| 23:04.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | filter* |
| 23:05.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | but f course it sleeps as long as no traffic on dbus |
| 23:06.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | if you want sth a tad more optimized, check dbus-scripting package |
| 23:07.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | *very* convenient |
| 23:08.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | ds3: thanks for the info |
| 23:09.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~mcbsp |
| 23:09.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | thought as much |
| 23:09.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 23:09.36 | infobot | ~pong |
| 23:10.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | Multi Channel Bogus Synonym pingo |
| 23:11.02 | Sicelo | aha. will look at that too. thanks for hint |
| 23:11.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | Serial Protocol? |
| 23:11.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | multi chan buffered serial prot? |
| 23:12.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | bidcir? |
| 23:12.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | BiDir even |
| 23:13.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh, whatever |
| 23:14.57 | ds3 | MultiChannel Buffered Serial Port |
| 23:18.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | ta |