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| 02:48.51 | sunshavi | DocScrutinizer05: battery life is the answer, n800 even feeds my n900, and when no internet (cos of problems with the ISP), guess which device provides me a wifi network |
| 02:51.43 | sunshavi | s/wifi/wireless/ |
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| 07:41.24 | Vajb | i think i may have fixed my tracker problem. There was value to track /mydocs/.camera, but such folder didn't excist. |
| 07:52.08 | Sicelo | what was the tracker problem? |
| 07:52.56 | kerio | does the maemo media player play ALACs? |
| 07:52.58 | kerio | i never tried |
| 07:55.43 | Sicelo | likely not. |
| 07:56.38 | kerio | yeah it was opened in 2011 |
| 07:57.07 | KotCzarny | oscp plays alacs i think |
| 07:57.14 | KotCzarny | never had any to test tho |
| 08:00.42 | Vajb | Sicelo: when ever i closed gallery, hildon-thumbnailer went berserk. Used all my precious processing power. |
| 08:01.17 | Vajb | it didn't help, if i let it finnish |
| 08:01.25 | Sicelo | ah, i remember now :) |
| 08:01.30 | Sicelo | glad you solved it |
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| 08:37.53 | Vajb | yeah, me too. I just hope it lasts. |
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| 11:26.24 | sixwheeledbeast | I recall a similar issue with thumbnailer here. I still wonder what asked tracker to track a none existent file. |
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| 12:17.01 | Vajb | sixwheeledbeast: it was non existing folder here. Dunno if i have deleted it or why it was missing. |
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| 12:58.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's in trackercfg aiui |
| 13:01.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: no such folder on my system either |
| 13:04.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/35823959 |
| 13:10.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh btw there _were_ bugfixes to tracker that should ship with CSSU since long time |
| 13:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | which might explain why I don't see that problem |
| 13:24.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>CGroups: In the past some businesses (like Nokia) using Tracker on embedded systems have used CGroups to limit the resources the Tracker processes have.<< |
| 13:25.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Memory allocator watchdog - osso_mem_saw_enable(): Nokia implemented this to make sure processes didn't accidentally try to allocate too much memory. Tracker used it at some time or another, but no longer.<< |
| 13:25.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | a nice example of the reasons why maemo often incorrectly considered "proprietary" |
| 13:25.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tracker |
| 13:25.25 | infobot | ""Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit."" Between 50% and MAXLONG of memory? WHAT THE F*CKING HELL SUCKER?! https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker/Documentation/Configuration |
| 13:34.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | @cssu ^^^ |
| 13:34.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/35823959 |
| 13:36.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# grep ".camera" /home/user/n900-1/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg |
| 13:36.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | WatchDirectoryRoots=$HOME/MyDocs/.sounds/;$HOME/MyDocs/.documents/;$HOME/MyDocs/.videos/;$HOME/MyDocs/.images/;$HOME/MyDocs/.camera/; |
| 13:36.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ll /home/user/n900-1/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg |
| 13:36.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2859 2009-01-01 06:03 /home/user/n900-1/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg |
| 13:38.30 | FIQ | tracker |
| 13:38.48 | FIQ | isn't that the thing that constantly drains resources to index things you don't care about |
| 13:39.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF?! |
| 13:39.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ls -lb /home/user/MyDocs/._* |
| 13:39.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rwxrwxrwx 1 user root 4096 2010-03-30 16:58 /home/user/MyDocs/._ï© |
| 13:39.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: exactly |
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| 13:41.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | MEH!! >>^@^E^V^G^@^B^@^@Mac OS X ^@<< |
| 13:43.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway http://paste.opensuse.org/54703065 |
| 13:47.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | @cssu: we should provide a decent update for a properly configured /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg, possibly even as patch(1) |
| 13:48.11 | FIQ | DocScrutinizer05, can it be killed |
| 13:48.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | what? tracker? |
| 13:48.31 | FIQ | yes |
| 13:48.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can kill the tracker process but that doesn't do no good |
| 13:48.52 | FIQ | bah |
| 13:48.58 | FIQ | that's stupid |
| 13:49.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, tracker *is* stupid |
| 13:49.14 | FIQ | why couldn't nokia just have a setting |
| 13:49.19 | FIQ | "Enable indexing of media files" |
| 13:49.32 | FIQ | or at least allow one to do it oneself by terminal hackery |
| 13:49.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | because gallery, mediaplayer and whatnot else depend on working tracker |
| 13:49.47 | FIQ | aargh |
| 13:49.57 | FIQ | why |
| 13:50.00 | APic | -_- |
| 13:50.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | because... "user is stupid and doesn't grok the concept of pathnames" |
| 13:50.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply because "Aplle does it that way too" |
| 13:50.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | apple even |
| 13:55.36 | FIQ | DocScrutinizer05, they know how computers work somehow |
| 13:55.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can use mediaplayer with plain file pathnames by simply clicking the file in any integrated filebrowser (mimetypes?), for gallery I don't know of any alternative to using tracker for the thumbnails |
| 13:56.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, prolly clicking on a .jpg etc should work too |
| 13:57.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly tracker somewhat 'works' at least for gallery, when configured correctly |
| 13:58.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | for mediaplayer YMMV, it fscks up pretty thoroughly at least when you have same song title in several albums resp storage locations |
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| 14:00.06 | Sicelo | thinks tracker is a much lesser evil than the Apple concept. that sucks to the max |
| 14:11.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | spotlight? |
| 14:12.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | or the iOS concept? I'm not fully aware how that works, I guess it has fenced storage areas for each app and you need some "conduits" to access data owned by another app? |
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| 14:33.39 | KotCzarny | fiq: you can just use any other apps instead of tracker hostages |
| 14:36.29 | ceene | maybe someone here knows how to solve a problem i'm having |
| 14:36.37 | KotCzarny | ceene: format c: |
| 14:36.41 | ceene | xilinx_emaclite 40e00000.ethernet eth0: Link is Up - 100Mbps/Full - flow control rx/tx |
| 14:36.46 | ceene | xilinx_emaclite 40e00000.ethernet eth0: Link is Downxilinx_emaclite 40e00000.ethernet eth0: Link is Down |
| 14:36.51 | ceene | over and over again |
| 14:36.52 | ceene | first up |
| 14:36.53 | ceene | then down |
| 14:36.58 | KotCzarny | autoneg troubles? |
| 14:37.05 | KotCzarny | try adding switch in between |
| 14:37.13 | ceene | there's already a switch |
| 14:37.18 | ceene | and cable is fine and all that |
| 14:37.34 | ceene | it's a device tree issue, or maybe a hardware issue (hardware that is implemented on an FPGA) |
| 14:38.48 | KotCzarny | link up/down is handled by PHY part |
| 14:39.07 | KotCzarny | try setting it to fixed speed? |
| 14:39.13 | KotCzarny | mii-tool etc |
| 14:40.43 | ceene | i can try that |
| 14:40.46 | ceene | i have to compile ethtool first |
| 14:41.26 | ceene | my phy is a texas instruments' DP83848 |
| 14:41.30 | KotCzarny | try connecting to pc and set the link on the other side (or just disable autoneg) |
| 14:41.43 | ceene | it has a driver on linux, but it isn't configurable by any parameter on the device tree |
| 14:41.51 | ceene | so i guess It Should Just Work TM |
| 14:43.01 | ceene | Cannot get current device settings: Operation not supported |
| 14:43.01 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.01 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.03 | ceene | uhm |
| 14:43.09 | ceene | i guess emaclite doesn't support so many things |
| 14:45.19 | KotCzarny | you may try moving it somewhere, maybe its e-m noise |
| 14:45.30 | ceene | no, that's not it |
| 14:45.40 | ceene | this thing works fine with a different firmware |
| 14:46.08 | ceene | it's either a matter of linux dts configuration or fpga firmware on which i've done something wrong |
| 14:46.12 | ceene | but cannot see what :/ |
| 14:48.35 | KotCzarny | http://www.microchip.com/forums/download.axd?file=0;712250&where=&f=dp83848c_pdf.jpg |
| 14:50.13 | ceene | uhmmmm |
| 14:50.22 | ceene | maybe i need to tell this thing to work on rmii mode |
| 14:50.52 | KotCzarny | http://www.microchip.com/forums/m705650.aspx |
| 14:50.57 | KotCzarny | from this talk |
| 14:51.08 | KotCzarny | maybe you will get any useful hint |
| 14:52.59 | ceene | uhmmm nope :( |
| 14:53.06 | ceene | linux driver takes care of all that by himself |
| 14:55.17 | KotCzarny | if you have both firmwares sources you can try comparing drivers |
| 15:01.31 | ceene | i think it's fpga firmware what's wrong |
| 15:01.37 | ceene | yep |
| 15:01.39 | ceene | definitely |
| 15:01.55 | ceene | xilkernel doesn't work for this fpga firmware, but does for a simpler one |
| 15:02.05 | ceene | so i've done something wrong probably |
| 15:02.10 | ceene | but what? |
| 15:07.33 | ceene | tomorrow'll be another day |
| 15:07.33 | ceene | cya! |
| 15:07.36 | KotCzarny | bb |
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| 16:48.33 | Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: I have cssu-testing. That thing was in trackercfg by default. So far it seems this is working. Cpu usage drops to normal almost instantly when i close gallery. Earlier it could stay maxed for hours. |
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| 17:33.57 | char | hello, I would like to compile a modern console xmpp client on my N900. Do you think it's feasible? I installed gcc for maemo and I've also read about tcc as C compilers. However, I'm not sure what kind of programs I should expect to be able to compile and install succesfully. Would you please advise me? |
| 17:35.35 | char | I tried installing MCabber and would probably try Profanity as well. I thought that console programs were easier to "port" to Maemo, but I'm not very programming-literate |
| 17:36.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not exactly recommended to build on target platform. There's scratchbox SDK for that |
| 17:36.38 | KotCzarny | depends on lib requirements |
| 17:36.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb |
| 17:36.50 | infobot | well, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 17:37.06 | KotCzarny | some apps require current libraries to build/run |
| 17:37.18 | KotCzarny | and maemo is stuck in 2009 mostly |
| 17:37.46 | char | I will have to look into scratchbox, thanks for mentioning it |
| 17:38.06 | char | KotCzarny: indeed, but I thought that you can compile them too, right? |
| 17:38.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | building on target (N900) is some fancy exercise for hackers |
| 17:38.20 | KotCzarny | char, also, old compilers |
| 17:38.49 | KotCzarny | on device there is 4.2 as newest |
| 17:38.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you won't succeed unless you go in depth into installing a easydeb chroot environment etc |
| 17:39.01 | KotCzarny | s/4.2/5.3/ |
| 17:39.24 | KotCzarny | in scratchbox you have to hack a bit and get 4.7 |
| 17:39.57 | char | I love Maemo and wouldn't want to change it. However, would it be better on the Xubuntu version for the n900? |
| 17:40.21 | KotCzarny | we are stuck with some binary blobs still |
| 17:40.41 | KotCzarny | if you dont mind phone part stopping functioning, you can install almost anything |
| 17:40.56 | char | thanks a lot guys, I learned a lot to think about |
| 17:41.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | when did you start looking into maemo? |
| 17:41.15 | char | only last year, I'm very late |
| 17:41.25 | KotCzarny | char, for starters just acquire sb and try |
| 17:41.35 | KotCzarny | there is a chance things will work out of the box |
| 17:41.36 | char | I will |
| 17:41.48 | char | read you later |
| 17:41.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I can 'smell' some beginners' misconceptions about how stuff is done in maemo land |
| 17:42.08 | KotCzarny | ~vmsdk |
| 17:42.12 | KotCzarny | ~sdkvm |
| 17:42.22 | KotCzarny | ~sbvm |
| 17:42.27 | KotCzarny | drat. what was the factoid |
| 17:42.34 | KotCzarny | ~listkeys vm |
| 17:42.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo is highly optimized to work for the target platform and the standard usecases, which in case of N900 is a phone |
| 17:42.56 | KotCzarny | ~listkeys sb |
| 17:42.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | you also are constantly short on RAM in maemo |
| 17:44.06 | KotCzarny | ~listkeys image |
| 17:44.27 | KotCzarny | ~listkeys vmimage |
| 17:44.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget as cd image. this |
| 17:44.35 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot as cd image. this |
| 17:45.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget can you "file" both images and see if the format |
| 17:45.03 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot can you "file" both images and see if the format |
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| 17:46.32 | KotCzarny | ~listkeys muarf |
| 17:46.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues nuarf |
| 17:46.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues muarf |
| 17:47.01 | KotCzarny | ~tabletsdev |
| 17:47.01 | infobot | rumour has it, tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads, or http://maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ |
| 17:47.22 | KotCzarny | char: you can get vm image of the scratchbox from the last link |
| 17:51.26 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 17:53.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb |
| 17:53.33 | infobot | scratchbox is probably a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 17:54.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB/Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z |
| 18:04.41 | freemangordon | Sicelo: so, upgrading openssl to the one in cssu-devel has fixed gmail for you? |
| 18:05.20 | freemangordon | Sicelo: as it is not clear from your post :) |
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| 20:31.32 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
| 20:31.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, 90s |
| 20:31.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wb |
| 20:31.53 | infobot | thx |
| 20:32.03 | freemangordon | ~cssu-thumb |
| 20:32.03 | infobot | [cssu-thumb] <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb |
| 20:32.24 | freemangordon | char: that ^^^ one |
| 20:33.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggested ~sb multiple times already |
| 20:34.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | however "the VM route" seems way more convenient |
| 20:35.20 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 20:35.29 | char | DocScrutinizer05: I'm still downloading the virtual machine to follow your suggestion |
| 20:35.51 | char | freemangordon: I'm enabling CSSU |
| 20:36.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 20:36.33 | infobot | i heard cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 20:36.34 | freemangordon | char: good, but make sure to read the wiki and understand what is what (-stable, -testing, -thumb, -devel) |
| 20:36.49 | char | I'll go with stable first |
| 20:37.01 | char | and will then enable thumb |
| 20:37.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | in short, *-thumb is not recommended for beginners |
| 20:37.09 | char | okay |
| 20:37.15 | freemangordon | char: I'd recommend -testing first and then -thumb |
| 20:37.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 20:37.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ack |
| 20:37.42 | freemangordon | -stable has not been updated for a while. Which reminds me... |
| 20:37.47 | char | okay, will skip stable |
| 20:37.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | "testing is the new stable" - as always ;-P |
| 20:37.53 | freemangordon | merlin1991: ping |
| 20:38.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | seen this in OM, SHR, Freetz, and CSSU |
| 20:38.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | stable eventually bitrots beyond fubar |
| 20:39.30 | char | gcc-4.2base prevents me from enabling CSSU |
| 20:39.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | errn wut? |
| 20:39.46 | Sicelo | 22:15 < Sicelo> um .. gcc-4.2-base is in SDK repo |
| 20:39.56 | freemangordon | char: why is that package needed? for compiling on-device? |
| 20:40.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | please follow the instructions on ~cssu, verbatim |
| 20:40.35 | char | freemangordon: I think so |
| 20:40.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already explained compiling on device is a very poor idea for everybody except leete hackers |
| 20:41.17 | char | DocScrutinizer05: I'm not ignoring that |
| 20:41.18 | freemangordon | char: you don;t really want to do that (compile on-device) |
| 20:41.39 | char | I get this error from the application manager, the GUI |
| 20:41.46 | freemangordon | char: well, remove that package then and install cssu-testing. I assume your device is freshly-flashed |
| 20:41.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | you got, like, ~100MB "free" RAM for the compiler |
| 20:42.04 | freemangordon | that much? |
| 20:42.08 | freemangordon | I doubt :) |
| 20:42.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | hrhrhr |
| 20:42.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm optimistic |
| 20:42.25 | char | freemangordon: not freshly-flashed.. but I will remove it |
| 20:42.41 | char | it is still proving missing by the way |
| 20:42.45 | freemangordon | char: but you flashed it after you bought it, right? |
| 20:42.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget a df -h |
| 20:42.58 | char | freemangordon: yes, last year or so |
| 20:43.01 | freemangordon | ok |
| 20:43.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrflashing |
| 20:43.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing-jr |
| 20:43.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn |
| 20:43.32 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: iirc HAM checks for the available disk space before upgrading |
| 20:43.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and that's pretty fubar too ;-) |
| 20:44.00 | freemangordon | are you sure? did you look at the code? |
| 20:44.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | until you got the CSSU fixes to that |
| 20:44.06 | Sicelo | char: i had thought you meant gcc-base was needed for mcabber. have just checked dependencies list, and that's not the case. just to clear any unintended confusion, i am also discouraging you from on-device compiling :) |
| 20:44.39 | freemangordon | Sicelo: so, you have cssu-devel enabled on your device without even knowing? |
| 20:45.02 | freemangordon | that's even worse than on-device compiling :p |
| 20:45.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: yes, I'm sure it had a friggin bug in calculating needed vs free space |
| 20:45.18 | freemangordon | hmm, ok |
| 20:45.24 | char | apt-get remove gcc-4.2base -> couldn't find package gcc-4.2base |
| 20:45.43 | freemangordon | char: dpkg -l | grep gcc |
| 20:45.50 | freemangordon | to find the package name |
| 20:45.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | resulting in "please use PC-suite" |
| 20:45.51 | Sicelo | freemangordon: i do :p |
| 20:46.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | a) purge |
| 20:46.37 | char | gcc-4.2, gcc-4.2-base, libgcc1 |
| 20:46.40 | Sicelo | it's just been a while, so i thought this openssl had come with thumb ... |
| 20:47.18 | char | I do have it, it's just a dash sign that makes them look different |
| 20:47.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not even sure that stuff will cleanly uninstall |
| 20:47.30 | freemangordon | char: well,... |
| 20:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all it's probably hardly ever been tested |
| 20:48.13 | char | I know what to uninstall, but it will still say it's missing when I try to install something. Right? |
| 20:48.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry folks, afk |
| 20:49.12 | freemangordon | char: you need gcc to compile, you you remove it, you won;t be able to, but HAM won;t complain as I am not aware of any package in maemo that has dependency to gcc |
| 20:49.39 | freemangordon | s/you you/if you |
| 20:49.40 | char | freemangordon: HAM is complaining about it though |
| 20:50.13 | freemangordon | (23,39,30) char: gcc-4.2base prevents me from enabling CSSU |
| 20:50.27 | char | it's a HAM operation |
| 20:50.30 | freemangordon | which means that it will stop complaining once you remove it |
| 20:50.41 | char | no it says it can't find it |
| 20:50.50 | freemangordon | you can;t uninstall that from HAM |
| 20:51.12 | char | it says you it needs that to install stuff, like the CSSU enabler |
| 20:51.24 | char | and it can't find it so it won't resume the installation process |
| 20:51.39 | freemangordon | you need to "apt-get remove gcc-4.2 gcc-4.2-base" iiuc |
| 20:52.06 | char | I'm doing it already |
| 20:52.19 | char | but it doesn't remove them either :\ |
| 20:52.32 | freemangordon | any error message? |
| 20:52.51 | char | unmet dependencies |
| 20:52.53 | Sicelo | dpkg -l | grep gcc* ? |
| 20:53.45 | freemangordon | char: pastebin please |
| 20:54.29 | Sicelo | freemangordon: seems mp-fremantle-generic-pr has dependency to gcc-4.2-base |
| 20:54.33 | char | sure, let me upload it |
| 20:54.47 | freemangordon | Sicelo: really? |
| 20:54.55 | Sicelo | check it |
| 20:55.23 | freemangordon | well, then only gcc-4.2 needs a removal imo |
| 20:56.19 | char | http://pastebin.com/Kr1kbRpJ |
| 20:57.07 | freemangordon | char: and what is the result of "apt-get remove gcc-4.2"? |
| 20:57.25 | char | in a second |
| 21:01.25 | char | http://pastebin.com/VGUkF88A |
| 21:02.45 | freemangordon | char: do you still have SDK repo enabled? |
| 21:03.11 | char | I didn't enable it |
| 21:03.17 | freemangordon | well, enable it |
| 21:03.32 | char | I'm still looking for it |
| 21:03.40 | freemangordon | char: see http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/g/gcc-4.2/ |
| 21:03.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache show mp-fremantle-generic-pr|sed "s/,/\n/g"|less +"/gcc-4.2"; FFS |
| 21:03.49 | freemangordon | the version you need is there |
| 21:04.17 | Sicelo | i'm just wondering now how other users upgrade :-/ |
| 21:04.37 | Sicelo | isn't this gcc-base supposed to be in one of the standard repos too? |
| 21:04.43 | freemangordon | Sicelo: seems somehow he managed to downgrade |
| 21:05.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrrepos |
| 21:05.11 | infobot | jrrepos is, like, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ |
| 21:06.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders which funny prankster introduced a dependency to gcc-4.2-base into mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 21:06.27 | freemangordon | char: or just grab the .deb from there and install it |
| 21:06.41 | char | it's what I'm doing |
| 21:06.46 | freemangordon | :) |
| 21:07.11 | Sicelo | is gcc-base 'bad'? /me doesn't know ... asking genuine question :) |
| 21:08.14 | Sicelo | i've got it too, but i've never tried to compile on device |
| 21:08.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I tried to show the files it provides |
| 21:08.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea why it's needed on stock maemo |
| 21:09.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | would be interesting what actually needs it |
| 21:09.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | what what in that pkg is needed |
| 21:09.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and what* |
| 21:09.22 | Sicelo | has no files :P |
| 21:09.24 | Sicelo | lol |
| 21:09.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | rotfl |
| 21:09.31 | Sicelo | this is crazy |
| 21:09.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Description: The GNU Compiler Collection (base package) |
| 21:09.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Size: 101654 |
| 21:10.12 | Sicelo | but on N900 this is also purged out |
| 21:10.23 | freemangordon | man pages? |
| 21:10.30 | Sicelo | there's no actual file from the package available on device :p |
| 21:10.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what does it provide? manpages? |
| 21:10.47 | Sicelo | yes .. docs |
| 21:10.49 | Sicelo | dpkg -L gcc-4.2-base |
| 21:11.01 | Sicelo | and of course maemo purges these |
| 21:11.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFL!!! |
| 21:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/copyright |
| 21:11.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/TODO.Debian |
| 21:11.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/README.Debian |
| 21:11.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 21:12.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that crap is Size: 101654 ? |
| 21:12.55 | Sicelo | makes sense .. |
| 21:13.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really |
| 21:13.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | way too many bytes |
| 21:13.33 | char | I still can't enable CSSU enabler due to HAM complaining about the missing gcc-4.2-base which I have installed |
| 21:13.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 21:13.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrrepos |
| 21:13.58 | infobot | i heard jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ |
| 21:14.22 | freemangordon | char: did you remove gcc? |
| 21:14.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | one-click install of sane working base repos |
| 21:15.27 | char | freemangordon: I'm confused now, don't I need it as it is a dependency? I can't uninstall it |
| 21:15.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you need gcc-4.2-base |
| 21:15.53 | Sicelo | char: gcc & gcc-base are different things |
| 21:16.05 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 21:16.15 | char | and should get rid of "gcc"? |
| 21:16.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:16.25 | char | let me try |
| 21:16.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | use purge |
| 21:16.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | just in case |
| 21:17.05 | char | purge gives unmet dependencies error |
| 21:17.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 21:18.07 | *** join/#maemo Sicelo009N (~sicelo@unaffiliated/sicelo) |
| 21:18.09 | char | I'm trying to install stuff on the vm you linked and it works there |
| 21:18.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least this little exercise gives you an idea why building on device isn't recommended ;-) |
| 21:18.30 | char | removing gcc, again unmet dependencies |
| 21:18.36 | freemangordon | char: pastebin of apt-get purge error |
| 21:18.59 | char | DocScrutinizer05: I didn't mean anything like this for sure... |
| 21:20.11 | Sicelo | i think he didn't go that way. seems to me there's just other problems on his N900 .. |
| 21:21.06 | char | Sicelo I may indeed have problems |
| 21:21.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, so maybe a combined reflash is prescribed |
| 21:22.02 | char | apt-get purge -> http://pastebin.com/P53vVGFA |
| 21:22.10 | char | combined? |
| 21:22.27 | Sicelo009N | not yet. will be soon though |
| 21:22.39 | Sicelo009N | ah, sorry, whrong chan |
| 21:23.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing-cmdline |
| 21:23.04 | infobot | well, flashing-cmdline is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:12 |
| 21:23.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~combined |
| 21:23.11 | infobot | i heard combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 21:23.23 | freemangordon | char: try with apt-get -f install. But make sure to carefully read the output before entering yes :) |
| 21:23.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ignore the second, it's not needed when you use my cmdline |
| 21:24.02 | char | DocScrutinizer05: only ~flashing-cmdline will do? |
| 21:24.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:12 |
| 21:24.12 | char | freemangordon: what does that do? |
| 21:24.15 | freemangordon | char: on which Nokia PR is your device? |
| 21:24.42 | freemangordon | char: you can check in settings->about |
| 21:24.50 | Sicelo009N | i'm sure it will |
| 21:25.13 | Sicelo009N | damn.. sorry about these ECHAN messages :-/ |
| 21:25.57 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: chances are char's device is on PR1.1 or PR1.2 :) |
| 21:26.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 21:26.55 | char | Maemo 5 Version:21.2011.38-1 |
| 21:27.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks good |
| 21:27.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 21:27.09 | freemangordon | yep |
| 21:27.14 | freemangordon | bur: "mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: libgcc1 (= 1:4.2.1-4maemo13+0m5) but 1:4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5 is installed" |
| 21:27.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 21:27.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | get decent base repos!! |
| 21:27.36 | freemangordon | char: you should install latest libgcc as well |
| 21:27.47 | freemangordon | libgcc1 that is |
| 21:28.00 | char | what for? |
| 21:28.03 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: won;t help, as dependencies are alreadyy messed up |
| 21:28.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah! go to http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ on device |
| 21:28.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | click recommended |
| 21:28.20 | char | ok |
| 21:28.32 | freemangordon | char: "mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: libgcc1 (= 1:4.2.1-4maemo13+0m5) but 1:4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5 is installed" |
| 21:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: apt-get -f might work |
| 21:28.37 | freemangordon | yes |
| 21:28.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | when repos are fixed |
| 21:28.51 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 21:29.10 | char | DocScrutinizer05: I'll go to your URL, then will get back to you |
| 21:29.16 | *** join/#maemo bredebid (~bredebid@es-217-129-26-160.netvisao.pt) |
| 21:29.18 | char | hold on a sec |
| 21:29.21 | freemangordon | anyway, /me is going afk |
| 21:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might have a beer by then |
| 21:29.24 | freemangordon | night |
| 21:29.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | n8 freemangordon |
| 21:29.34 | char | night! |
| 21:29.54 | char | thanks for your help freemangordon |
| 21:30.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | char: seems you installed gcc and that pulled in incompatible libs |
| 21:31.34 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly a apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr might fix things, after you got "my" repos installed |
| 21:33.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | a apt-get -f also is sth you should try |
| 21:34.07 | char | DocScrutinizer05: I'm adding the repositories |
| 21:34.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that doesn't help, *I* would do a combined-only reflash, since I git a decent bm-backup ;-) |
| 21:34.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 21:34.14 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install |
| 21:34.32 | char | I don't have a backup |
| 21:35.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might wait until tomorrow when freemangordon and pali are available again, before you go for full combined reflash |
| 21:35.23 | char | no cmdline? |
| 21:35.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 21:36.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, wait until freemangordon is back |
| 21:36.05 | char | <DocScrutinizer05> ignore the second, it's not needed when you use my cmdline |
| 21:36.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | flashing combined is supposed to be considerably safe and not lose your data and config, but... |
| 21:37.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | you never know |
| 21:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could install BM and do a decent backup, then you can reflash all you like, since restoring is a matter of minutes |
| 21:38.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | but first, see if apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr does the trick |
| 21:38.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | should work after you enabled the working repos |
| 21:39.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm afk, for a beer out |
| 21:39.53 | char | okay |
| 21:40.01 | char | I'll have to wait for repos updates |
| 21:40.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | in case of "emergencies" highlight DocScrutinizer51 |
| 21:40.17 | char | sure ;) thanks |
| 21:47.00 | char | apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr -> unmet dependencies |
| 21:47.35 | Sicelo | -f ? |
| 21:48.37 | char | I've just launched HAM lol.. will wait for it open to close it and try -f |
| 21:50.50 | char | rebootin ... |
| 21:52.22 | Sicelo009N | yes. sad |
| 21:54.23 | char | using any other phone today would be sadder |
| 21:54.31 | char | almost up |
| 21:56.46 | char | -f won't fix the unmet dependencies problem |
| 21:57.07 | char | apt-get -f install? |
| 21:57.54 | Sicelo009N | you're in dependency hell .. sorry :) |
| 22:02.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/62586594 |
| 22:04.45 | char | should I install libgcc1? |
| 22:05.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe the right version, yes |
| 22:05.39 | char | apt-get install libgcc1 as per usual -> unmet dependencies |
| 22:06.01 | Sicelo | checks char's paste agan |
| 22:07.19 | char | well, if I can still find all the programs I currently use and restore phonebook and SMSes I think flashing it could be a solution |
| 22:07.36 | char | I would enable CSSU right away, update everything and see |
| 22:07.44 | char | I have never used CSSU in my life |
| 22:07.55 | char | and it's 2016 lol |
| 22:08.32 | char | maybe Pidgin would get updated as well, who knows |
| 22:08.56 | char | I'm pretty sure the OTR plugin would be a nightmare to install as it was last year but I had found a guide |
| 22:08.58 | Sicelo | lastest version for N900 is 2.10.11-0maemo1 |
| 22:09.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/tmp/apt-cache-policies.txt |
| 22:10.05 | char | DocScrutinizer05: I give up |
| 22:10.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | install backupmenu! |
| 22:10.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | make a backup |
| 22:10.44 | char | what can I do with it? I only have a few hundred megabytes free for backing up on my phone |
| 22:11.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, that's a little low |
| 22:11.13 | char | I mean, I have 20GBs of Wikipedia dumps |
| 22:11.45 | Sicelo | char: n900 stock backup will allow you to save just your phonebook in case you want to reflash |
| 22:11.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't you have a uSD card for the backups? |
| 22:12.08 | char | apparently my n900 doesn't read SD cards |
| 22:12.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 22:12.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | magnet missing? |
| 22:12.29 | char | magnet is there.. |
| 22:12.29 | Sicelo | my 2nd N900 also doesn't :( |
| 22:13.17 | char | I have no idea why that is |
| 22:13.38 | char | regardless the filesystem I format them with, none of them is recognized |
| 22:14.02 | Sicelo | does dmesg at least 'see' it |
| 22:14.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch |
| 22:15.40 | char | if you're curious to know I will disassemble it and put an SD card. Please, endure my English if I use weird words |
| 22:15.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch |
| 22:16.45 | Sicelo009N | DocScrutinizer05: on mine always 'open' |
| 22:17.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | either your magnet or the hall sensor is broken/missing then |
| 22:17.15 | Sicelo009N | magnet is in place, and the cover works fine on my other N900 .. |
| 22:17.24 | Sicelo009N | yes, sensor must be borked |
| 22:17.36 | char | always open |
| 22:17.42 | char | but the magnet is there |
| 22:17.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | see ^^ |
| 22:18.04 | Sicelo009N | i came to terms with it :) |
| 22:18.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | try another magnet while watch cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch |
| 22:18.24 | char | another magnet? |
| 22:18.33 | char | yeah I do have a fridge |
| 22:18.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, an arbitrary other magnet |
| 22:18.45 | Sicelo009N | i bought this N900 for like 15USD .. so didn't complain too much |
| 22:19.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | remove battery cover, move the magnet around the camera |
| 22:20.11 | char | always open |
| 22:20.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | :´( |
| 22:20.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder what kills all those hall sensors |
| 22:21.07 | Sicelo009N | char: you bought your N900 used? any signs it was ever opened? |
| 22:21.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway o/ |
| 22:21.45 | Sicelo009N | DocScrutinizer05: mine had been worked on by bad technician in its previous life .. probably bumped the sensour out or something |
| 22:21.46 | char | Sicelo009N: yes it was used and from what I can see it wasn't opened around the chassis |
| 22:22.25 | char | dead sensor -> no SD support |
| 22:22.29 | char | nice :( |
| 22:22.48 | char | I like the auto mount/unmount idea. Can we get rid of it? :P |
| 22:23.17 | Sicelo009N | yes .. hack the kernel module .. someone did it here .. forgot who |
| 22:23.21 | Sicelo009N | check tmo |
| 22:24.20 | Sicelo009N | g'nite |
| 22:24.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1457369#post1457369 |
| 22:25.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | char: you're a candidate for a full clean restart and a customized careful system config |
| 22:26.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | get some free space on your eMMC (aka MyDocs) install BM, do a backup, then do a full backkup of MyDocs to your PC via USB |
| 22:28.49 | char | goodnight Sicelo! |
| 22:29.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 22:32.02 | char | DocScrutinizer05: MyDocs is almost completely full |
| 22:32.33 | char | how much space do you think I need? |
| 22:32.40 | char | 1GB ? |
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| 22:34.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | char: to start with, you could try to mv /lib/modules/current/omap_hsmmc.ko /lib/modules/current/omap_hsmmc.ko_ORIGINAL, then download https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/13580235b433268f57ca/raw/bbfb5769f2937b485dfea5145f4db8f279ec8906/omap_hsmmc.ko and rename/mv it to /lib/modules/current/omap_hsmmc.ko |
| 22:34.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1GB is plenty |
| 22:34.44 | char | is this for the SD card? |
| 22:34.57 | char | do you think I should backup the system first? |
| 22:35.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | (/lib/modules/current/omap_hsmmc.ko) then reboot with a uSD inserted and see if cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch shows 'closed' and you can access the uSD |
| 22:36.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you're careful, you *probably* are safe with the omap_hsmmc.ko, you however could face a bootloop where kernel segfaults because of the module. Then you damn sure want a backup |
| 22:37.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | you *could* try modprobe -r omap_hsmmc; then replace the file, then modprobe omap_hsmmc and see if it throws errors |
| 22:38.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it looks good, you already can check cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch |
| 22:39.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | if modprobe omap_hsmmc throws any errors, you better restore the original file back into place |
| 22:41.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | also see man modprobe, you might try modprobe -f omap_hsmmc to override symbol incompatibilities |
| 22:43.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait! |
| 22:45.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | download the file to ~user, name it omap_hsmmc.ko, then for loading the module use: modprobe -vnfd ~user omap_hsmmc |
| 22:45.35 | char | okay, so backupmenu first |
| 22:45.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that looks good, actually do it: modprobe -fd ~user omap_hsmmc |
| 22:46.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is safe since you don't mess with the original module, so even when your kernel OOPSes, everything will be fine abfter the inevitable reboot |
| 22:46.57 | char | of course I can't install backupmenu either |
| 22:47.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I suggested the above approach |
| 22:47.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | you won't need a backup hopefully |
| 22:47.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | it *should* be perfectly safe |
| 22:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not giving any warranty though |
| 22:48.07 | char | even if the risk is slow I will avoid this, I'm too noob to risk this |
| 22:48.35 | char | I think I'd rather backup documents and MyDocs content, then reflash and reinstall with caution |
| 22:48.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're not changing anything in your system since you load the module from a place where the system never will look at by itself |
| 22:49.08 | char | ok |
| 22:49.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | so next boot will be exactly like last boot, no matter what you did with modprobe |
| 22:49.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | but first see if you even can unload the module with modprobe -r omap_hsmmc |
| 22:50.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that's not working, you don't even need to start with the next steps |
| 22:50.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | modprobe -r omap_hsmmc is definitely safe |
| 22:51.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I owe you 3 beers if not ;-) |
| 22:51.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you already try? |
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| 22:52.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | char: ^^^ |
| 22:53.23 | char | sorry, I was trying to locate the stuff to backup from MyDocs |
| 22:53.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest you bulk copy complete Mydocs to your PC |
| 22:54.03 | char | that's okay |
| 22:54.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you got a free 28GB there |
| 22:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | modprobe -r is ok? |
| 22:54.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | or was that to something else? |
| 22:55.36 | char | bulk copying is ok ;) |
| 22:55.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait! |
| 22:56.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just rebooted my device with modprobe -r ;-D |
| 22:56.48 | char | I will just copy everything in MyDocs to my computer |
| 22:56.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you don't mind a reboot, you still can try if it works for you, since you're supposed to have no mounted uSD |
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| 22:58.26 | char | DocScrutinizer05: it's rather hard for me to keep up with what you're explaining, let me backup everything first. I'm going to need it whether I reflash it and swap the module or tweak the existing installation |
| 22:58.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | if modprobe -r omap_hsmmc works and a lsmod doesn't show omap_hsmmc any more, download the file and try the modprobe -vnfd ~user omap_hsmmc which is still dryrun and shouldn't cause _anything_ except diagnotic output |
| 22:58.52 | kerio | ooh is that a replacement omap_hsmmc that pretend that the cover is always on |
| 22:58.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 22:59.05 | kerio | i probably want that |
| 22:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 22:59.10 | kerio | since my swap is on usd |
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| 23:00.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm out for a beer now, kerio could you help char a bit through that enterprise? |
| 23:00.35 | kerio | dude wtf it's 1am |
| 23:00.38 | kerio | i'm about to go to sleep |
| 23:00.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 23:00.45 | kerio | why are you going out for a beer |
| 23:01.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | because it tastes better when I nag the bartender ;-) |
| 23:01.04 | kerio | on a thursday, even |
| 23:01.14 | kerio | i mean, technically it's friday now |
| 23:01.28 | kerio | but that's not what normal people mean when they say they're going out friday night |
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| 23:08.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus I just saved 3 beer I'd otherwise owned char when I hadn't tested modprobe -r omap_hsmmc ;-) I will consume those now :-) |
| 23:10.15 | char | man, it's taking ages and I'm about to fall asleep in front of the screen |
| 23:10.35 | char | I'm saving everything we wrote |
| 23:10.46 | char | will resume soon :\ |
| 23:11.09 | char | thanks everybody for all the great support |
| 23:11.20 | char | goodnight *_* |
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| 23:19.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | m8 |
| 23:20.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | n8 even |
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