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| 04:25.19 | KotCzarny | luke-jr: probably some prototype and chinese knock-offs which might have been of similar quality. my guess is on the mini version of qi charger (which they wasnt able to optimize for higher power transfer in tiny package |
| 04:30.42 | KotCzarny | which is kind of stupid, because they could have just exposed pins in the usb adapter and add spring pins in the cable attaching to i |
| 04:30.44 | KotCzarny | t |
| 04:31.40 | KotCzarny | there could be patents involved too, but for chinese it shouldnt be a problem, so if you know any chinese vendors/manufacturers you might suggest such design to them ;) |
| 04:59.42 | KotCzarny | http://www.dx.com/p/cwxuan-micro-usb-metal-magnetic-adhesion-charging-cable-white-120cm-417173 |
| 04:59.49 | KotCzarny | cheap enough to try? |
| 05:01.50 | KotCzarny | review says: pros: pretty, cons: doesnt work |
| 05:06.31 | KotCzarny | http://www.dx.com/p/universal-dustproof-plug-type-micro-usb-magnetic-charging-cable-white-champagne-415356 |
| 05:06.39 | KotCzarny | this has a bit better reviews |
| 05:08.35 | KotCzarny | but i guess they are the same |
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| 05:40.12 | KotCzarny | sunshavi: i've mentioned 4.5 because chroot works fine there, but fails in 3.4 |
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| 05:41.43 | sunshavi | KotCzarny: ok. 4.5 on n900 sounds interesting to me |
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| 05:46.15 | KotCzarny | btw. did that oscp build worked? ie. played files etc? |
| 05:49.18 | sunshavi | it is working,I am not using a lot cos I have been out. But until now works. a lot of buttons |
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| 05:50.13 | sunshavi | I have not tested the streams yet. That is a pendant task. does it supports dbus? |
| 05:51.09 | sunshavi | as my touch is failing typing with the virtual keyboard is not easy (uncalibrated) |
| 05:51.54 | sunshavi | btw You mentioned a cli interface? |
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| 05:52.40 | sunshavi | KotCzarny: Do You have a new version with the menu enabled? |
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| 05:56.58 | KotCzarny | sunshavi: you can use file interface, i think it's in /tmp/ |
| 05:57.33 | KotCzarny | also, you can run oscp-remote.py on pc and control it from there |
| 05:57.44 | KotCzarny | you can also do it via telnet |
| 06:02.14 | sunshavi | ok, I am going to check it |
| 06:03.10 | KotCzarny | you can directly open urls/files from gui too when you press 'o' |
| 06:03.20 | KotCzarny | or just prepare .m3u playlist |
| 06:05.52 | sunshavi | KotCzarny: mine is an n800, no keyboard ;) |
| 06:06.37 | sunshavi | cat I activate kbd from gui? |
| 06:07.00 | sunshavi | s/kbd/virtual-kbd/ |
| 06:07.30 | KotCzarny | i think there is a way to call vkb from any place on n800 |
| 06:08.07 | sunshavi | Sure?. That would be nice |
| 06:10.25 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.26 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 06:11.15 | KotCzarny | but i think it only works sometimes |
| 06:11.56 | KotCzarny | you have to have the marker in a text field for the middle button to work |
| 06:11.58 | KotCzarny | ahm. |
| 06:12.03 | sunshavi | lol, Does NOT work on my case. Nice try :) |
| 06:13.51 | KotCzarny | you can also ignore the gtk gui if you prefer more keyboard. close core ('x' button under gears icon), clos gui, start xterm, run: oscp -d 0 |
| 06:15.26 | sunshavi | I have started it from ssh, and it starting playing a song. Is that ok? |
| 06:15.48 | KotCzarny | sure, if you dont want autoplay add -a 0 |
| 06:17.29 | sunshavi | ok, on this curses interface Can I add an stream address? |
| 06:17.55 | KotCzarny | 'o' |
| 06:20.26 | sunshavi | when pasting on the terminal the stream url. oscp freezed |
| 06:20.57 | KotCzarny | what was in the copy buffer? |
| 06:21.11 | KotCzarny | it might be trying to open the stream too |
| 06:21.37 | sunshavi | mmm, more than a min until now |
| 06:23.07 | KotCzarny | its not saying anything about opening? |
| 06:23.22 | sunshavi | default media player opens it without an issue |
| 06:23.30 | KotCzarny | also, what was the link? |
| 06:23.40 | sunshavi | http://67.212.179.138:8300 |
| 06:24.20 | sunshavi | cli interface responded |
| 06:24.41 | KotCzarny | works here (on banana pi, same build tree) |
| 06:25.09 | sunshavi | with the cli interface? |
| 06:25.13 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 06:25.23 | sunshavi | too weird |
| 06:25.34 | KotCzarny | i'll grab my n800 today and test |
| 06:25.41 | sunshavi | did u typed it? or pasted? |
| 06:25.51 | KotCzarny | shift-insert via ssh |
| 06:26.03 | sunshavi | then pasted |
| 06:26.13 | sunshavi | that is the same I am doing |
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| 06:26.54 | KotCzarny | its a bit experimental build, not sure if everything works, that's why i didnt post the deb to repo yet |
| 06:28.22 | sunshavi | now I have typed it. Waiting to see what happens now |
| 06:28.59 | sunshavi | nothing |
| 06:29.18 | sunshavi | should it update the listing? |
| 06:29.28 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 06:29.46 | sunshavi | it is not happening |
| 06:30.09 | KotCzarny | then something is broken, does it open when you put that link in .m3u file? |
| 06:30.37 | sunshavi | I am going to try it |
| 06:31.51 | sunshavi | yes it works |
| 06:32.04 | sunshavi | and also have some hiccups |
| 06:32.18 | sunshavi | when I type on the irc |
| 06:32.44 | sunshavi | very weird |
| 06:32.58 | sunshavi | the built-in media player plays it without hiccups |
| 06:33.34 | KotCzarny | will debug it in the evening when i have my n800 here |
| 06:34.15 | sunshavi | probably You are not going to get the effect. My setup goes this way: |
| 06:35.09 | sunshavi | RAM: 94MiB / 123MiB |
| 06:35.24 | sunshavi | I have emacs loaded there |
| 06:35.57 | sunshavi | mail, mbsync, chat |
| 06:36.29 | sunshavi | and my uptime is 5 days until now |
| 06:37.29 | KotCzarny | mhm |
| 06:37.50 | sunshavi | do You use the osso-media-player from within oscp? |
| 06:38.01 | KotCzarny | nope, all software decoding |
| 06:38.11 | sunshavi | mmm, that's the reason then |
| 06:38.15 | KotCzarny | which means it can decode just everything |
| 06:38.20 | KotCzarny | but eats cpu |
| 06:38.40 | sunshavi | on devices like n900 it is not an issue, but remember 400 mhz here |
| 06:38.58 | KotCzarny | n900 has 600mhz, overclockable too |
| 06:39.07 | KotCzarny | but 600 is enough |
| 06:39.20 | sunshavi | that is more than the double |
| 06:39.21 | KotCzarny | its more about missing neon optimizations for software decoding |
| 06:39.37 | KotCzarny | n800 had 400mhz afair |
| 06:40.20 | sunshavi | right, I have mentioned that 5 lines above |
| 06:40.22 | sunshavi | :p |
| 06:40.48 | KotCzarny | 600 is not more than the double 400 :P |
| 06:41.11 | KotCzarny | anyway, gonna debug later |
| 06:41.27 | KotCzarny | because ncurses act weird |
| 06:41.30 | sunshavi | built-in media player uses the dsp |
| 06:41.47 | KotCzarny | yes, but doesnt play all formats |
| 06:42.53 | sunshavi | my idea, from my experience with the n800 with is more than with the n900 is feeding more codeds to the default media player |
| 06:43.17 | sunshavi | i tested mplayer against built-in-mp |
| 06:43.40 | sunshavi | and built-in-mp gave me better battery life. That was 5 years ago |
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| 06:44.43 | sunshavi | oscp play more formats than mplayer?. It is a curious question |
| 06:48.23 | KotCzarny | try: oscp -H |
| 06:49.19 | KotCzarny | when i manage to get newer gcc in the sdk i'll enable assembly optimizations for libav formats |
| 06:50.05 | sunshavi | newer gcc?, modern than gcc 3.4.4? |
| 06:51.11 | sunshavi | a couple of years ago. I tried vanilla 4.9.2 on sb2 4 emacs compilation. But did not get beeter binary size, which was what I was looking for. |
| 06:51.21 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 06:51.46 | KotCzarny | 3.4 fails to build libav with arm assembly enabled |
| 06:52.13 | sunshavi | So. at that moment my conclusion was that codesourcery made some very good optimizations on gcc 3.4 |
| 06:52.33 | KotCzarny | its 2008 vs 2016 |
| 06:52.41 | KotCzarny | quite some things could've changed |
| 06:52.56 | KotCzarny | pah, even getting 4.2 will be nice |
| 06:53.02 | sunshavi | ok, do not take my word as rock solid then |
| 06:54.06 | sunshavi | mmm. I would be interested on trying ur results also :) |
| 06:54.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:55.02 | sunshavi | ok KotCzarny: time to sleep here. See u soon |
| 06:55.08 | KotCzarny | bb |
| 06:55.13 | KotCzarny | thanks for testing |
| 06:55.28 | sunshavi | no problem. |
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| 08:09.31 | vectis3 | KotCzarny: Does oscp use alsa on N8*0 tablets? |
| 08:15.21 | KotCzarny | vectis3: esd |
| 08:15.48 | KotCzarny | i could've used alsa, but then there will be no system sound |
| 08:15.58 | KotCzarny | unless there were other troubles |
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| 08:24.43 | vectis3 | Other troubles? issues with alsa? |
| 08:26.01 | KotCzarny | no hardware mixing and probably weird audio device |
| 08:26.13 | KotCzarny | now that im starting to remember |
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| 09:05.50 | ceene | {"status":"fail","reason":"blocked"} |
| 09:05.52 | ceene | :( |
| 09:07.48 | KotCzarny | want my number? |
| 09:07.57 | ceene | that would be great |
| 09:14.51 | ceene | you and Sicelo we'll be forever remembered as those that sacrificed your virtual social life in benefit of every other yappari user |
| 09:15.04 | ceene | well, sicelo couldn't even get his number banned, as we couldn't register |
| 09:15.18 | ceene | thanks a lot! |
| 09:16.01 | KotCzarny | k, gotta run, cya! |
| 09:16.11 | KotCzarny | you can ban this number because i dont use wa |
| 09:16.21 | KotCzarny | bbl |
| 09:16.36 | KotCzarny | my social life is irc |
| 09:16.42 | KotCzarny | just saying. ;) |
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| 09:49.04 | jonwil | hi |
| 09:49.39 | ceene | hi, jonwil |
| 09:49.59 | ceene | what are you REing lately? :) |
| 09:56.23 | jonwil | nothing, had no time for N900 stuff :) |
| 09:56.34 | jonwil | other than the brief bit a while back figuring out who uses what inside openssl |
| 09:57.32 | ceene | i got committed my patch for disabling vulnerable ssl versions on QT :) |
| 09:58.12 | bencoh | cssu? |
| 09:58.29 | ceene | yes |
| 09:58.39 | ceene | don't know when will it be pushed to cssu-devel |
| 09:59.03 | ceene | i don't know which is the procedure there, i just assume it will make it to cssu sometime |
| 09:59.04 | bencoh | you'd have to ping merlin1991 I guess |
| 09:59.26 | ceene | well, they've commited it, so i guess it's a matter of time |
| 09:59.35 | ceene | i don't want to push anyone if there's already a stablished procedure |
| 09:59.42 | bencoh | or maybe fmg, but he kinda spends all his n900 time on kernel these days |
| 10:00.16 | bencoh | I'm not sure there is one :) |
| 10:00.33 | bencoh | (apart from "wait for the maintainer and maybe ping him if it takes a long time") |
| 10:00.59 | ceene | :) |
| 10:01.12 | ceene | i'm concentrated on yappari right now |
| 10:01.16 | ceene | i hate this thing |
| 10:01.19 | ceene | but i'm so near now |
| 10:01.38 | bencoh | hmm I guess we should update cssu/devel wiki |
| 10:01.52 | bencoh | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu isn't exactly up to date :) |
| 10:02.49 | bencoh | I suppose https://github.com/community-ssu is the current one ? |
| 10:03.03 | ceene | yes |
| 10:04.46 | vectis3 | ceene: I have a number you can use if it helps |
| 10:04.48 | bencoh | updated :) |
| 10:07.34 | ceene | thank you, vectis3! |
| 10:07.40 | ceene | i'm using KotCzarny's now |
| 10:14.38 | jonwil | Where did your qt patch get pushed? |
| 10:14.41 | jonwil | https://github.com/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo ? |
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| 11:44.21 | ceene | jonwil: yes, https://github.com/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/commit/8e8ccb76d28ff814045fd6f73fe77443ab05510c |
| 11:45.48 | ceene | and i have on the backlog a patch to make qt use openssl1.0.2 |
| 11:45.52 | ceene | but that is not ready yet |
| 11:45.58 | ceene | and i'm quite busy with yappari for the moment |
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| 12:39.21 | jonwil | I am sure you will overcome the hurdles and get WhatsApp working on the N900 |
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| 14:15.22 | luke-jr | KotCzarny: I'm worried about the reviews which say it latches in strongly.. might not be able to insert/remove without breaking it? :/ |
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| 14:25.38 | KotCzarny | luke-jr: add paper spacer? |
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| 16:00.07 | KotCzarny | i must say.. |
| 16:00.40 | KotCzarny | oscp on n800 manages better than n900 (even using software decoding) |
| 16:00.47 | KotCzarny | f*cking pulseaudio |
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| 16:14.17 | KotCzarny | sunshavi: i've checked oscp and it works here on n800 (pasting url via ssh) |
| 16:15.02 | sunshavi | mmm, ok, no idea, what happens on my side then |
| 16:17.58 | KotCzarny | maybe you've had something else/more in the paste buffer |
| 16:25.29 | sunshavi | no, for probing it I can try pasting a dbus script with the same address and it is going to work |
| 16:26.02 | sunshavi | s/address/stream-address/ |
| 16:26.46 | KotCzarny | anyway, you might try again, because it works here, and if it fails i will be interested in debug log then |
| 16:28.33 | sunshavi | Ok. I am going to test |
| 16:46.37 | sunshavi | KotCzarny: It works after pasting the address is added to the playlist, then You should play the item on the playlist. Sorry for the noise |
| 16:48.36 | KotCzarny | nope, you shouldnt be needed to do that, it should create new virtual playlist when you paste |
| 16:49.22 | sunshavi | have u used firefox hello? |
| 16:49.33 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 16:49.57 | sunshavi | then. Let's try it |
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| 17:25.44 | luke-jr | KotCzarny: paper spacer? wat? |
| 17:29.57 | KotCzarny | force is proportional to distance |
| 17:30.21 | KotCzarny | if you add 0.1mm spacer so magnets wouldnt stick together it would be a bit smaller force |
| 17:30.46 | KotCzarny | s/proportional/inversely proportional to distance^2/ |
| 17:42.46 | Vajb | totally irrelevant, but polar loop used magnet to connect usb cable to device |
| 17:42.53 | Vajb | uses* |
| 17:43.24 | Vajb | it has magnet ring and 4 pins at the middle |
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| 19:49.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: link? |
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| 21:29.39 | luke-jr | KotCzarny: I'm talking about the side you insert to microUSB⦠|
| 21:30.27 | KotCzarny | hum |
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| 21:52.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops, sorry, EHILITE |
| 21:52.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: link? |
| 21:56.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | luke-jr: ((t latches in strongly.. might not be able to insert/remove without breaking)) actually not correct when you unplug it using the right method. grab the USB plug on the two small sideswith thumb and digit finger tips, so close to the body that you can actually pinch it out by pressing the tips of fingertips against the body |
| 21:56.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | after doing that a 50 or 100 times, it has adjusted itself and works way smoother |
| 21:57.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | also a tad of pencil graphite on the *outside* of the plug steel sleeve helps a lot |
| 21:57.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | just paint it with a pencil |
| 21:58.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | the USB receptacle hardly breaks from pulling forces, what kills it are bending forces |
| 21:59.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | also see |
| 21:59.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix |
| 21:59.05 | infobot | well, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt |
| 21:59.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>...**BEFORE** and after if breaks...<< |
| 22:00.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually >> Fixing USB port, before and after it is to late. (All info in one Thread)<< |
| 22:02.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you realy want to do something about the plug, just bend in the two latches with th /| shaped noses a tad, using your fingernail. You also can use a fingernail file to slightly round the shart tip of the /| noses. Do _not_ completely remove those noses though |
| 22:03.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and as always, a tiny bit of graphite at the | side of the noses does wonders |
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| 22:03.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need a sharp pencil for that |
| 22:03.39 | Sicelo009N | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 22:04.26 | Sicelo009N | not really impressive, but I'm happy about this much uptime, lol .. considering this N900 has been coming up with issues almost every week for the last 6 months :) |
| 22:04.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# uptime |
| 22:05.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | but mine lately comes up with terrible audio stuttering |
| 22:05.36 | Sicelo009N | i just need to pamper the battery to see how far i can go |
| 22:05.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | *never* had that before |
| 22:05.50 | Sicelo009N | this is daily N900 |
| 22:06.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | here too :-D |
| 22:06.07 | Sicelo009N | :) |
| 22:06.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why audio sucks terribly when even normal phonecalls only start working after 5 or 10s |
| 22:06.55 | Sicelo | tried any tricks to sort that? |
| 22:06.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess I have to roll back PA to stock, from CSSU. Just to make sure... |
| 22:07.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, what tricks would you suggest for a system that works 5 years flawlessly before it starts cocking up |
| 22:08.19 | Sicelo009N | :) |
| 22:08.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could deactivate recaller, this might be an interesting test |
| 22:08.57 | Sicelo009N | ah yes.. recaller is known to have issues. you may find orechiette better. ymmv |
| 22:09.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible the kernel workload for writing to storage got inferior over time |
| 22:10.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | or the uSD I'm using sucks, or whatever |
| 22:10.15 | Sicelo009N | uSD for swap? |
| 22:10.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | **or**... PA fixes in CSSU are not really fixes |
| 22:10.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah |
| 22:11.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | but every other year I change my mind where music should reside |
| 22:11.43 | Sicelo | pebkac then :) |
| 22:11.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | occasionally I even change the camera DCIM dir storage location |
| 22:12.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 22:12.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | how's that pebkac? |
| 22:12.51 | Sicelo | lol. just saying |
| 22:13.02 | Sicelo | of late my MfE acting up :-/ |
| 22:13.19 | Sicelo | synchronization icon says it failed, but i get mail. |
| 22:15.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | it/me wonders how drager err tracker's inotify handles work, if they maybe get cloned for each subdir of a monitored sir |
| 22:15.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/sir/dir/ |
| 22:15.36 | Sicelo | anyway, still love my N900. sometimes the age of the hardware shows, but it's still quite capable :) |
| 22:15.56 | Sicelo | inotify .. you mean what initiates reindexing? |
| 22:15.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | that would mean my system lately seen a increase of inotify handles by factor 100 or even 1000 |
| 22:16.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, the inotify-watch thing tracker does |
| 22:17.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly needs to study the kernel code for inotify |
| 22:18.16 | Sicelo | report back any findings ;) |
| 22:18.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it *could* just be a sort of stringcomp() against each write() path |
| 22:18.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | or it's sort of a filehandle for each singe dir and all its subdirs |
| 22:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | single* |
| 22:19.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | needs a new kbd, L key is half dead |
| 22:22.12 | Sicelo | under domesheet? or you mean the mat? |
| 22:22.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | also wonders how much overhead active inotify-s cause for each open() |
| 22:22.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | err PC kbd |
| 22:22.33 | Sicelo | ah :) |
| 22:22.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | cheesy err cherry 9bucks kbd |
| 22:23.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | they are nice but really don't stay longer than max 2 years |
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| 22:24.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | then they key prints are gone on n,m, etc, and on this one yesterday the L keycap came off |
| 22:24.46 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer05: I soldered down my USB port in my first N900 and it still broke irrepairably |
| 22:25.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh wow, how did you manage *that*? |
| 22:25.07 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer05: which adapter is your experience with? |
| 22:25.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | adapter? |
| 22:25.28 | Sicelo009N | heads to bed o/ |
| 22:25.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | n8 Sicelo009N |
| 22:25.38 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer05: I had it plugged in, and it snagged as I was getting off the plane. the USB cable broke, but so did the port |
| 22:26.17 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer05: the topic was http://www.amazon.com/PLESON%C2%AE-Premium-Magnetic-Detachable-Motorola/dp/B01009NQGK which has reviews saying things like "So, as a word of caution, when you try to install this, you will have to push very hard to get the adaptor in your device. You may think that you are about to break your device, but you're not." |
| 22:26.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 22:27.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | WOW, they stole my idea :-S |
| 22:27.40 | luke-jr | there's a bunch of these things now |
| 22:28.01 | luke-jr | http://www.amazon.com/SweetLF-Magnetic-Converter-Compatible-Included/dp/B01AJPS90I sounds potentially less risky |
| 22:31.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | sweeeet |
| 22:33.56 | luke-jr | hopes this is a case of "I'm glad they stole my idea" :P |
| 22:34.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, of course |
| 22:34.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | awesome |
| 22:36.30 | luke-jr | SweetLF's is apparently complaints of the magnet being too weak |
| 22:36.40 | luke-jr | which tells me "not likely to break the N900 ever" |
| 22:38.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just wonder how they manage to keep the right orientation (not 180° rotated) on those things. The first one has a fuzzy suggestion that they have a Graetz diode bridge for VBUS, and you need to watch orientation of the "plug" when you want to do data |
| 22:42.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm a tad worried that they never show how the adapter actualy looks from outside, when no 'plug' snapped on |
| 22:43.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway the second one looks better, if only because it actually has 5 pins |
| 22:43.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | gold plated. And cheaper |
| 22:43.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr |
| 22:43.58 | Juest | Interesting, why maemo on xephyr is missing some common packages? |
| 22:44.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh the first one also has 5 |
| 22:45.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | Juest: err, that's scratchbox, no? maybe you just need to intall them? |
| 22:45.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | or they are pointless on the emu, like dialer for example |
| 22:45.49 | Juest | They're unavailable |
| 22:45.57 | Juest | DocScrutinizer05 ^ |
| 22:46.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, depends. Which packages you're talking about? |
| 22:46.32 | Juest | this is on nokia lucid vm also |
| 22:46.58 | Juest | boots it |
| 22:47.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lucid is also a scratchbox emu environment afaik |
| 22:48.09 | Juest | ubuntu lucid |
| 22:49.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems our devels made a lot of funny stuff work in that emu, even down to the bootloader. But some "apps" simply make no sense and are not available in x86 version at all, nor could they run and do sth useful in a ARM emu environment, when they don't have the phone's hardware to mess with |
| 22:50.02 | Juest | basic stuff is missing lol |
| 22:50.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, /scratchbox/ in Ubuntu lucid |
| 22:51.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | detects some misconceptions about what to expect from the SB emu environment |
| 22:51.23 | Juest | I am trying to use maemo as a normal user with the device would /without the device/ |
| 22:51.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~scratchbox |
| 22:51.27 | infobot | it has been said that scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 22:51.38 | luke-jr | would be nice if these magnetic things had a 90 degree cable for the Pyra :x |
| 22:52.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Juest: the emu hardly can emulate a modem to allow you making calls |
| 22:52.30 | Juest | worse, since control+shift is grab/ungrab on Xepyr i cant do shortucts *facedesk* |
| 22:52.54 | Juest | not interested in calls LOL |
| 22:53.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | then I can't help when you don't want to be more specific what's the stuff you're missing |
| 22:54.12 | luke-jr | is there such a thing as a USB cable that can't do 2 amps? |
| 22:54.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | SB is meant as development environment to test your own stuff |
| 22:54.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | luke-jr: yep, you can bet there is |
| 22:54.35 | kerio | luke-jr: USB 2.0 is .5A |
| 22:54.44 | luke-jr | how do I find the ones that can handle 2A? :P |
| 22:54.55 | kerio | some people take minimum requirements as hard limits :> |
| 22:55.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | luke-jr: use the foce... ;-) |
| 22:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | force* |
| 22:55.22 | Juest | weird, launching the script directly in terminal crashes, desktop shortcut works fine -.- |
| 22:55.23 | Juest | o.o |
| 22:55.34 | kerio | i kinda want to buy one of those musb magnetic adapters now |
| 22:55.47 | kerio | but i bet that it's a ne way street |
| 22:55.48 | kerio | *one |
| 22:55.50 | Juest | modified-hildon-desktop, some apps dont open |
| 22:56.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | one way? |
| 22:56.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | MHD is obsolete, the maintained version isw in CSSU |
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| 22:57.06 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: especially the first one |
| 22:57.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't get it |
| 22:57.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's your "one way" meant to say? |
| 22:57.59 | kerio | "So, as a word of caution, when you try to install this, you will have to push very hard to get the adaptor in your device. You may think that you are about to break your device, but you're not." |
| 22:58.15 | Juest | ... |
| 22:58.21 | kerio | i doubt that the n900's musb port will survive insertion *and* removal |
| 22:58.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, that sounds like an odd advice |
| 22:58.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd tweak that thing into shape, so it inserts normal |
| 22:59.42 | kerio | my musb port is having issues as of late .-. |
| 22:59.54 | kerio | probably time to buy an iphone or something |
| 23:00.15 | kerio | well, there's not really anything else |
| 23:00.42 | kerio | pyra with umts module? |
| 23:01.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | glares at eSATA backup HDD which still is active backing up the 800some GB of /home. Hopes it will finish before the primary HDD finally explodes |
| 23:02.33 | kerio | honestly |
| 23:02.46 | luke-jr | kerio: I'm going to Pyra |
| 23:02.52 | kerio | my options are: 1) another n900 or 2) iphone |
| 23:02.56 | luke-jr | why not Pyra? |
| 23:03.09 | kerio | because it's not a phone |
| 23:03.12 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 23:03.16 | luke-jr | neither was N900 |
| 23:03.26 | kerio | also i thought it wasn't out yet |
| 23:03.34 | luke-jr | it's not, but you can't wait a few months? |
| 23:04.08 | kerio | probably yeah |
| 23:04.15 | kerio | the pyra is thick as fuck tho |
| 23:05.01 | kerio | also, 745⬠|
| 23:05.06 | luke-jr | yeah, almost as thick as my C760 + N810 |
| 23:05.27 | luke-jr | kerio: but what alternatives are there? :/ |
| 23:05.34 | kerio | iphone |
| 23:06.00 | kerio | a 6s 64gb costs 700 moneys |
| 23:06.01 | luke-jr | srsly |
| 23:06.09 | kerio | i know :c |
| 23:06.58 | luke-jr | 4ft ReadyPlug® Retractable USB Data/Charger Cable for Maxwest Orbit 10QC - Extra Long (4 Feet) <-- QC = 2A? :/ |
| 23:06.59 | kerio | honestly my n900 is basically just an xchat machine at this point |
| 23:07.16 | luke-jr | kerio: Pyra prob serves that role better than iPhone :p |
| 23:07.18 | kerio | ye |
| 23:07.30 | luke-jr | I suppose there's the option of a cheap Android tethered to GPD Win? |
| 23:07.35 | kerio | LUL ANDROID |
| 23:07.47 | luke-jr | but phone batteries tend to suck these days |
| 23:07.51 | kerio | yeah no |
| 23:08.03 | kerio | i'm not going near that stupid student project OS |
| 23:08.09 | luke-jr | lol |
| 23:08.15 | luke-jr | hence the tether |
| 23:08.23 | kerio | why android then |
| 23:08.33 | luke-jr | because there's no alternatives |
| 23:10.27 | kerio | hrmpf, there's no entry-level umts microsoft phones |
| 23:10.33 | kerio | only 2g |
| 23:16.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | use an UMTS stick |
| 23:17.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno, do they sell non-smart phones anymore nowadays? |
| 23:17.32 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah that will look so cool on top of the pyra |
| 23:17.35 | kerio | XD |
| 23:17.50 | kerio | ye they sell a handful of S40-like phones |
| 23:17.55 | kerio | i have one |
| 23:18.00 | kerio | it's super legit |
| 23:18.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3G? |
| 23:18.06 | kerio | battery lasts forever |
| 23:18.11 | kerio | no, gsm nly |
| 23:18.14 | kerio | *only |
| 23:18.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | eew |
| 23:18.45 | kerio | well it was like 50� |
| 23:18.56 | kerio | pretty solid as an emergency phone |
| 23:19.54 | kerio | the battery with "microsoft mobile" on it made me really sad tho :c |
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