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| 05:20.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | moin |
| 05:24.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | (whatsup apps) even while I'm no fan, I think it's a tad unfortunate when they stop to work. Isn't there info form those whatsapp folks about their protocol? |
| 05:24.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | would a wireshark session help or is everything encrypted hard? |
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| 05:57.41 | pigeons | they use that axolotl "ratchet" system from moxie marlinspike that "text secure" uses |
| 05:58.50 | pigeons | https://whispersystems.org/blog/advanced-ratcheting/ |
| 05:59.11 | pigeons | i dont know about the rest of the protocol, but i guess they are not interested in being open |
| 05:59.45 | pigeons | it seems many (most?) messaging platforms aren't |
| 06:04.02 | kerio | is that the same protocol used by signal |
| 06:05.40 | pigeons | yes |
| 06:08.30 | pigeons | i think actual now its called libsignal instead of libaolotl |
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| 06:11.15 | pigeons | .title http://mashable.com/2015/03/25/whatsapp-developers-api/ |
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| 07:01.26 | ceene | pigeons is right |
| 07:01.32 | ceene | well, of you :) |
| 07:01.35 | ceene | s/of/all of/ |
| 07:03.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | what was my last comment on "axolotl"? |
| 07:03.16 | ceene | yes |
| 07:03.20 | ceene | ah |
| 07:03.21 | ceene | what |
| 07:03.24 | ceene | about wiresharking |
| 07:03.38 | ceene | some people has had success before |
| 07:04.14 | ceene | i'm try to pass yowsup tests on my code |
| 07:04.21 | ceene | i'm gonna try |
| 07:04.27 | ceene | i'm a bit mishanded today |
| 07:04.41 | ceene | i also have real work to do |
| 07:04.42 | ceene | :/ |
| 07:05.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | needs to sponsor mgedmin of PoV a hw upgrade for the server :/ |
| 07:06.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | 'search' takes *ages* |
| 07:06.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders if the data is stored on a tapedrive |
| 07:07.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-02-07.log.html#t2016-02-07T15:25:09 |
| 07:07.34 | ceene | yep |
| 07:07.44 | ceene | axolotl as a library is now extinct, as it is now called 'signal' |
| 07:07.50 | ceene | which is a shitty name in order to google for it |
| 07:08.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 07:09.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | guess why h-e-n isn't hen ;-) |
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| 07:11.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas this doen't help for google either ;-P |
| 07:11.18 | ceene | sometime ago, google lost the capability to search for special characters |
| 07:11.30 | ceene | they think they know better than me what i'm searching for |
| 07:11.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus long name hostmode-easy-now |
| 07:11.51 | pigeons | google used the excuse of "spam" to kill federation. Whatsapp wont release an api because "spam". |
| 07:12.41 | pigeons | yeah when G+ started +searchterm doesnt make it mandatory anymore |
| 07:13.16 | pigeons | but google never was good at that, that's why you had +fravia and +orc |
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| 07:16.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | google starts to suck |
| 07:16.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | even more than it already did |
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| 08:12.36 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer05: strangely, federation has never de facto stopped working for me |
| 08:12.56 | luke-jr | although spam has been an actual problem recently |
| 08:13.00 | luke-jr | all Russian |
| 08:13.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 08:13.15 | luke-jr | on XMPP |
| 08:13.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, never heard of all that. I know what's XMPP |
| 08:13.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | vaguely |
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| 08:31.55 | Wizzup | So seems like suspend to ram works on mainline n900 |
| 08:32.06 | Wizzup | Although upon wakeup it prints an error, but nothing too serious |
| 08:32.15 | Wizzup | That's pretty cool. Wondering about the power usage |
| 08:37.54 | luke-jr | Wizzup: IIRC suspend to RAM uses more power than just idling |
| 08:38.16 | luke-jr | (not during suspend, but to prepare/restore from it) |
| 08:39.17 | Wizzup | luke-jr: are you saying that doing S2R for 5 hours is more taxing on power than leaving the thing idle for 5 hours? |
| 08:40.16 | luke-jr | Wizzup: I'm not sure at what time S2R would use less |
| 08:40.37 | luke-jr | but idle, N900 should last like a week or two |
| 08:41.13 | Wizzup | I would expect it to last much longer on S2R? |
| 08:48.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: suspend2ram works according to freemangordon |
| 08:48.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | power usage is not worth it |
| 08:48.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | see~power |
| 08:48.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~power |
| 08:48.43 | infobot | i guess power is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 08:48.56 | Wizzup | That makes me deeply sad |
| 08:49.01 | Wizzup | I wanted to use it as a PDA that lasts very long |
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| 08:49.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | takes "ages" to enter and resume from s2r, and the power consumption is near identical to zeroclock |
| 08:50.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is not a downside of s2r but actually shows how good zeroclock works in omap |
| 08:50.27 | Wizzup | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.33 | Wizzup | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.41 | Wizzup | Isn't that somewhat of a big difference? |
| 08:50.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really |
| 08:50.51 | Wizzup | 3-4x? |
| 08:51.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, depends on your metrics |
| 08:51.10 | Wizzup | I don't think you guys get the right context |
| 08:51.14 | Wizzup | I don't want to suspend my maemo phone |
| 08:51.25 | Wizzup | I want to suspend my PDA and wake it up every hour or so, when I quickly need it |
| 08:51.36 | Wizzup | It'll mostly just be in super deep sleep until I buy something, or want to make a note |
| 08:51.46 | Wizzup | I figured it would make sense that way |
| 08:51.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | "no SIM" might actually mean an increased consumption |
| 08:52.11 | Wizzup | modem would be off during s2r |
| 08:52.25 | Wizzup | OK, let me phrase it differently |
| 08:52.44 | Wizzup | if I want a n900 that is asleep at almost all times, unless I specifically trigger a wakeup IRQ, what would be sensible? |
| 08:53.09 | Sicelo | S2R :) |
| 08:53.27 | Sicelo | i think they are saying whatever you use, power benefit is negligible |
| 08:53.46 | Wizzup | but if it is two to three times - that makes a huge difference for me |
| 08:54.11 | ceene | aaargghhhh |
| 08:54.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | shut down modem, use zeroclock or s2r (since basically they are the same thing in the end) |
| 08:54.23 | Wizzup | okay! |
| 08:54.26 | Sicelo | Wizzup: you're using maemo or other distro? |
| 08:54.28 | Wizzup | sounds great |
| 08:54.37 | Wizzup | Sicelo: I will outline my plans for this hobby proj a bit later |
| 08:54.42 | Wizzup | hopefully in a blog post, or at least here quickly |
| 08:54.45 | Wizzup | I have to run to work now |
| 08:54.48 | Wizzup | well, bike, really. |
| 08:54.55 | Sicelo | cya |
| 08:55.08 | ceene | i hate this all |
| 08:55.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | s2r just copies a few CPU sttaic cmos registers to RAM before powering down the CPU core |
| 08:55.37 | Sicelo | what happened now ceene? she wants divorce? :) |
| 08:55.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | static* |
| 08:55.48 | ceene | *I* want a divorce |
| 08:55.54 | Sicelo | :) |
| 08:56.09 | ceene | it's a digital divorce |
| 08:56.19 | ceene | so at least i won't have to share my things with this whatsapp from hell thing |
| 08:56.48 | ceene | failed to read string token |
| 08:56.48 | ceene | failed to read attribute key:value |
| 08:56.57 | ceene | that's got to be because i have misimplemented WA16 |
| 08:57.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | (s2r) CPU in zero clock doesn't each significant amounts of power though, so it's not really relevant if you use s2r or zeroclock |
| 08:57.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/each/eat/ |
| 08:57.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | just make sure you power down all peripherals like WLAN and cmt completely |
| 08:58.25 | Wizzup | Ack |
| 08:58.36 | ceene | i'm even thinking about rewritting the whole mess |
| 08:58.37 | Wizzup | I hoped that would happen during s2r automatically |
| 08:58.42 | Wizzup | will double check that |
| 08:58.49 | ceene | making a language translation from python to qt |
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| 08:59.39 | Sicelo | how about we just stick to python then? i guess it might be slower? but if that's what works, i'm sure most would live with slowness |
| 08:59.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, s2r supposedly takes care about it (though I know it doesn't really for cmt at least) |
| 08:59.58 | Sicelo | or it's not compatible with python 2.5? |
| 09:00.20 | ceene | and they're thiking of deprecating support for 2.7, for what I've seen on some files |
| 09:00.25 | ceene | so only 3.0 |
| 09:00.29 | ceene | sooner or later |
| 09:00.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway take care about "No SIM" doesn't mean the modem is inactive, rather the opposite is true |
| 09:01.05 | Wizzup | ceene: you could consider using py3 - maybe with pyinstaller |
| 09:01.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should use "airplane mode" to make sure all RF got killed reliably |
| 09:01.32 | ceene | Wizzup: can we install py3 on n900? |
| 09:01.39 | ceene | i know there's python2.7 on extras-something |
| 09:01.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | cmt with no SIM will prolly still scan all bands to be ready for 911 |
| 09:02.19 | Wizzup | ceene: not impossible |
| 09:02.27 | ceene | this python thing however |
| 09:02.30 | ceene | is not work free |
| 09:02.33 | ceene | there's the need of a GUI for that |
| 09:02.37 | Wizzup | if it makes life much easier |
| 09:02.44 | ceene | i don't know... |
| 09:02.50 | Wizzup | I don't know enough about the context. Also really have to run |
| 09:03.06 | Wizzup | just wanted to say that py2.7 or 3.5should be fine with pyinstaller |
| 09:03.11 | Wizzup | ir similar |
| 09:03.15 | ceene | it's good to know |
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| 09:03.27 | ceene | dunno |
| 09:03.35 | ceene | i think some things could be language ported |
| 09:03.52 | ceene | without a whole lot of work |
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| 09:04.38 | ceene | https://github.com/tgalal/yowsup/tree/master/yowsup/layers/coder |
| 09:04.42 | ceene | this few files |
| 09:04.50 | ceene | it'd be a nice beginning |
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| 09:08.43 | Sicelo | . |
| 09:08.56 | ceene | i definitely need to reestructure libwa code |
| 09:09.00 | ceene | i keep getting lost |
| 09:09.44 | ceene | i also hate all these asynchronous thingies |
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| 09:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | async only makes sense when you know why you need it and how to put it to purpose. Otherwise async complicates stuff a lot |
| 09:24.07 | ceene | i've broken something else |
| 09:24.14 | ceene | Failed readString 1 |
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| 09:41.05 | Vajb | i have new feature with whatsup. When ever i receive a photo and open it i have to kill hildon-thumbnailer after or it will drain my battery by keeping cpu maxed at 100 |
| 09:42.06 | SiceloWeb | doubt it's yappari's problem :) what happens if you take a picture with the camera, or receive it some other way? |
| 09:43.18 | Vajb | well just tried and seems to happen with gallery as well. To be honest i thought it would be like that, but felt like turning the knife ;) |
| 09:44.21 | Vajb | but there is small difference. After i shutdown gallery processor calms |
| 09:44.38 | Vajb | while with whatsup received pics it just stays. |
| 09:44.53 | Vajb | hmm lemme try to take a pic |
| 09:45.26 | Vajb | no cpu peak |
| 09:45.53 | Wizzup | ceene: itt would be nice if you can stick to almost all upstream code and just write some n900 specific parts around it |
| 09:45.56 | Wizzup | also nice wrt maintenance |
| 09:48.00 | Vajb | hmm eventually it did it. So it seems i have a problem with hildon-thumbnailer |
| 09:48.16 | Vajb | it nails my cpu by its thumbs... |
| 09:54.05 | ceene | Wizzup: as of today, there's no upstream available for qt4 |
| 09:54.20 | ceene | there's only libwa, and coderus doesn't maintain it anymore |
| 09:55.49 | ceene | but using coderus' original libwa results on |
| 09:55.50 | ceene | <failure> |
| 09:55.50 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.50 | ceene | </failure>" |
| 09:55.52 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.53 | ceene | Auth failed! |
| 09:55.55 | ceene | login(): failed |
| 09:55.58 | ceene | so i don't know what is wrong right now |
| 09:56.08 | ceene | i thought it was due to old protocol version |
| 09:56.28 | ceene | but yowsup uses 1.5 as well |
| 09:56.32 | ceene | and doesn't fail |
| 09:57.42 | ceene | so now i just don't know what's wrong :( |
| 09:58.36 | ceene | i keep going back and forth, but i'm lost |
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| 10:22.14 | jonwil | hi |
| 10:28.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: (thumbnailer-trackerd) expected behavior |
| 10:29.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: just let it finsih its indexing thing once |
| 10:29.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | and make sure you have no messed up setting in trackerconfig |
| 10:30.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: hi! |
| 10:32.01 | Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: i haven't changed anything in trackerconfig sinco long time and it has been working well since this week |
| 10:32.56 | Vajb | maybe i'll leave it on charger over night and see if it is done or i have hole through table |
| 10:33.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: actually tracker indexer kicks in whenever inotifywatch detects a change in filesystem of monitored dirs |
| 10:33.48 | Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: i made it only monitor my music folder and nothing has changed there |
| 10:33.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | changing uSD often causes tracker to go wild for more than an hour, depending on how many files are on uSD |
| 10:34.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | tracker config is a bitch, and it even has a bug in stock tracker |
| 10:34.33 | Vajb | but could size matter? I have 64gb card mostly music |
| 10:34.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | many of the trackerconfig options work in an unexpected way |
| 10:35.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh yes, 64GB music, your tracker will be *happy* to deal for hours with that |
| 10:35.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I even wonder if the resulting database will fir into /home/user |
| 10:35.44 | Vajb | but they have been there for months. Why it suddenly bothers? |
| 10:35.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | fit* |
| 10:36.30 | Vajb | i have over 20gb free at home since i keep everything in card |
| 10:36.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, something made tracker start an indexing, prolly some change in some of the dirs on your uSD, maybe you saved a photo somehwre? ;-) |
| 10:37.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | your /home/user hardly is 2GB size |
| 10:37.18 | Vajb | hmm can't recall that |
| 10:37.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you did *massive* repartitioning |
| 10:37.38 | Vajb | ah sorry i mixed home and mydocs to be same thing |
| 10:38.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | also aborting tracker whenever it runs will most likely cause a complete re-index next time it starts |
| 10:38.45 | Vajb | ok /home 32% used |
| 10:39.16 | Vajb | but is hildon-thumbnailer=trackerd? |
| 10:39.34 | Vajb | i think i've seen them as separate process |
| 10:39.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | so a lockup or powerdown while tracker doing a lightweight indexing for a photo snapshot or whatever invalidates the database and tracker needs to build it anew on next boot, I guess |
| 10:39.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 10:40.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | all thumbnailers etc are trackerd afaik |
| 10:40.16 | Vajb | now i have possible explanation! |
| 10:40.41 | Vajb | i accidentally dropped my phone this week and battery popped out |
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| 10:40.49 | Vajb | could that be the reason? |
| 10:40.59 | cn900 | hi |
| 10:41.09 | Vajb | hey cn900 |
| 10:41.13 | cn900 | i'm ceene testing irc plugin for telepathy |
| 10:41.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | also each swap of uSD card (removing lid already counts as swap) will need a cursory reindexing to make sure nothing changed |
| 10:41.26 | cn900 | and it seems to work |
| 10:41.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, battery popout very much could be a reason for trackerd going wild |
| 10:42.00 | Vajb | ok i'll let him do his thing tonight |
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| 10:53.42 | ceene | seems quite nice that telepathy plugin |
| 10:53.55 | ceene | the interface is quite limited, though |
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| 10:54.03 | ceene | but that's a problem of the gui itself, not of the plugin i guess |
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| 11:25.49 | SiceloWeb | tested that plugin just once, and didn't like it :) |
| 11:26.39 | SiceloWeb | ceene: could telepathy on N900 send/receive files? currently it doesn't, and that's one of the most unfortunate things about it |
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| 12:05.26 | KotCzarny | vajb: just mark your music dirs as a no-go for trackerd and use alternative audio player program *wink* |
| 12:07.16 | Vajb | KotCzarny: do u maybe have some specific program in mind? ;) |
| 12:07.43 | KotCzarny | hmm, a have a few! |
| 12:07.44 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 12:07.52 | Vajb | but no. I like what tracker does. I like to listen to less played while jogging for example |
| 12:08.47 | KotCzarny | well, if you didnt know the program i have in mind can make a recursive playlist with one click, then you can randomize it or go totally random |
| 12:09.28 | KotCzarny | one nice thing it can pick up where you've finished |
| 12:09.53 | KotCzarny | so in one randomize-playlist mode you will go through ALL files exactly once even in random mode |
| 12:10.59 | KotCzarny | i think trackerd should be fixed/rewritten anyway |
| 12:11.40 | KotCzarny | to keep db of the last modified of the DIRS and ignore them when needed |
| 12:32.10 | ceene | Sicelo: don't know if it could... haven't looked at it |
| 12:32.23 | ceene | i assume telepathy backend would allow it |
| 12:32.30 | ceene | but don't know for sure |
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| 12:45.03 | Vajb | KotCzarny: actually, I didn't know |
| 12:45.21 | KotCzarny | oscp has so many undocumented features |
| 12:45.54 | Vajb | jackknife of media playback :) |
| 12:46.31 | KotCzarny | kind of, and i love that sox effects finally work on n900 :) |
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| 13:29.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tracker |
| 13:29.34 | infobot | ""Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit."" Between 50% and MAXLONG of memory? WHAT THE F*CKING HELL SUCKER?! https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker/Documentation/Configuration |
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| 14:13.48 | abc123 | hi, i'm trying to develop (better - learn about it) on maemo. since nokia shut down it's servers is it possible to download nokia qt sdk or qmake.exe for n900 or is it next reason to sell my n900 ? |
| 14:14.24 | KotCzarny | i think the keyword you look for is: MADE |
| 14:16.17 | ceene | ~sb2 |
| 14:16.31 | ceene | ~scratchbox |
| 14:16.31 | infobot | methinks scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 14:16.43 | ceene | there it is |
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| 14:23.05 | abc123 | thanks, i will read about it |
| 14:24.29 | KotCzarny | ceene: he wants qt based sdk |
| 14:24.43 | KotCzarny | unless he wants ANY sdk |
| 14:24.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:24.54 | KotCzarny | ~made |
| 14:25.30 | Sicelo | two d's :) |
| 14:26.06 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 14:26.08 | KotCzarny | ~madde |
| 14:26.08 | infobot | madde is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE http://sourceforge.net/projects/madde/ https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/maddeâ |
| 14:26.13 | KotCzarny | sicelo: thx |
| 14:27.10 | ceene | oh, that |
| 14:28.16 | abc123 | are any upgrades/updates on the way ? |
| 14:28.26 | abc123 | i mean to whole n900 |
| 14:29.06 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 14:29.24 | KotCzarny | our devs works day and night on mainlining n900 |
| 14:29.33 | KotCzarny | then we would have everything! |
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| 14:30.22 | ceene | taht day will be glorious |
| 14:30.50 | ceene | still won't have yappari though |
| 14:31.04 | ceene | don't know wether to laugh or to cry |
| 14:31.08 | KotCzarny | add irc support to yappari |
| 14:31.16 | KotCzarny | and xmpp |
| 14:31.25 | KotCzarny | so they would have backup platforms |
| 14:31.33 | ceene | making yappari gui a telepathy frontend is not a bad idea at all |
| 14:32.07 | ceene | sad thing is nobody wants backup platforms, all they want is whatsapp |
| 14:32.44 | KotCzarny | i want irc |
| 14:32.56 | ceene | so do i... so i use irssi |
| 14:33.23 | abc123 | sad thing is that using n900 in non extras-devel is almost impossible to get some things work |
| 14:33.25 | ceene | most of the time i'm here is just screen+irssi |
| 14:37.40 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: xchat? |
| 14:37.52 | abc123 | is there any date when an update will be available ? |
| 14:37.55 | Sicelo | of course i'm an irssi guy :& |
| 14:37.58 | KotCzarny | sicelo: naaah, ssh+epic4 |
| 14:38.23 | KotCzarny | abc123: unfortunatelly it's a hobby project and they have regular jobs too |
| 14:38.37 | KotCzarny | so we are grateful for their work no matter what |
| 14:38.45 | KotCzarny | you can help if you can too |
| 14:38.58 | abc123 | i know but i'm just curious |
| 14:39.17 | abc123 | well, my programist skills are not so great as they should be |
| 14:39.18 | KotCzarny | and yes, extras-* fails becuase there are no testers paid for |
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| 14:40.32 | abc123 | if i'd know how and where to send reports i'd make some test during normal usage |
| 14:41.02 | KotCzarny | there is a voting interface for packages on the http |
| 14:41.04 | SiceloWeb | IRC & TMO are the best bugzillas now :) |
| 14:42.02 | abc123 | people there solve problems ? i would like to see some progress ;) |
| 14:42.37 | KotCzarny | another point of interest for you about possible os updates/work is cssu and it's variants |
| 14:42.54 | abc123 | there was a time when i wanted to compile apkenv and i lost on missing lib number 324523045 which couldn't have been automatically resolved |
| 14:43.29 | KotCzarny | good bet is trying debian lenny/wheezy repos as deb-src |
| 14:43.55 | abc123 | i'd like my n900 in one piece ;) |
| 14:47.02 | abc123 | 3 linux based devices gave me an important lesson to not to mess with linux unless you have your nerves cut and have whole life to solve impossible problems |
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| 14:59.19 | Sicelo | sounds like you've had bad experiences |
| 14:59.43 | L29Ah | #triggered |
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| 15:10.27 | abc123 | yeah, the n900 is the first and last phone with linux. with touchscreen too |
| 15:13.03 | abc123 | intel galileo (gen 1) with poky, ubilinux and other debian-style, hp nx7400 with debian, n900 with maemo, all are like from hell |
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| 15:38.54 | kerio | i agree, linux sucks |
| 15:38.57 | kerio | bsd is much better |
| 15:47.18 | enyc | notices debian lts team adding armel + armhf to the wheezy-lts support |
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| 15:56.40 | abc123 | can't install madde ... error occurs during postinstall.bat, tried twice, disabled firewall and nothing changed ... |
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| 16:22.35 | abc123 | thanks for help, for me n900 is dead and soon i'll get back to my good old se w890i or in distant future i'll make my own mobile |
| 16:22.55 | sixwheeledbeast | ~neo900 |
| 16:22.56 | infobot | i guess neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142, or at http://neo900.org/ |
| 16:25.40 | abc123 | i don't like touchscreen, i gave a try to n900 because friend got one and for him it was good, before familiarizing i thought about as he |
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| 16:34.28 | sixwheeledbeast | 3310? |
| 16:34.51 | sixwheeledbeast | if you can find one... |
| 16:37.57 | abc123 | too old :) |
| 16:38.43 | abc123 | but i think about e-paper display and 2x 18650 ;) |
| 16:39.46 | abc123 | it's easy to find 3310 in Poland, prices may be higher now than yesterday, but acceptable |
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| 17:53.01 | ceene | i don't like telepathy-irc anymore |
| 17:53.19 | ceene | it gets out of channels when i close its window |
| 17:53.27 | ceene | that's idiotic |
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| 18:12.24 | KotCzarny | abc123: going to sell that n900? |
| 18:12.33 | KotCzarny | maybe donate? |
| 18:12.34 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 18:59.29 | KotCzarny | pah. |
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| 19:25.59 | abc123___ | KotCzarny, donate ? what do you mean ? |
| 19:26.51 | Vajb | to give it free for some developer |
| 19:27.52 | KotCzarny | what vajb said |
| 19:28.03 | KotCzarny | preferably to some n900 veteran dev |
| 19:28.27 | KotCzarny | but getting interested new people into n900 is also nice idea |
| 19:29.12 | abc123___ | when someone new, without knowledge and experience gets inside community he may be a little scaried about bugs ... |
| 19:29.40 | abc123___ | hm, my primary n900 is fully working, i think |
| 19:30.01 | KotCzarny | even partially broken n900 has value as a testing platform |
| 19:30.30 | abc123___ | secondary met water and is sometimes unstable and irritating ;) |
| 19:31.26 | abc123___ | but aero2 (free internet in Poland) continues it's work til december, so i have to have at least one and i don't have any other phone to change |
| 19:31.50 | Sicelo | your friend gave you two N900? |
| 19:32.02 | abc123___ | btw this working one was bought with plenty of accessories for about 100 PLN (circa 25$) |
| 19:32.21 | KotCzarny | keep the accessories, donate the device |
| 19:32.25 | abc123___ | no, the one broken for 20 PLN (~5$), i gave it new slider |
| 19:32.42 | KotCzarny | anyway, nite nite |
| 19:32.52 | Sicelo | can't make sense of abc123___ :) |
| 19:32.55 | Sicelo | nite |
| 19:33.12 | abc123___ | i'll think about donating when i get another phone ;) |
| 19:33.56 | Sicelo | w890i? |
| 19:34.38 | Sicelo | goes afk |
| 19:35.20 | abc123___ | if i repair my or get to work and make diy mobile |
| 19:48.53 | abc123___ | you may not understand me because i use phone mostly for it's main purpose - calling and sending sms, i don't really need internet in phone (sometimes also in computer) and i know it's odd for 2x years old guy ;) |
| 19:53.51 | Sicelo | no. that's not why. |
| 19:54.43 | Sicelo | abc123___: i'd like my n900 in one piece ;) |
| 19:54.58 | Sicelo | abc123___: yeah, the n900 is the first and last phone with linux. with touchscreen too |
| 19:55.08 | Sicelo | and then, twist: |
| 19:55.15 | abc123___ | i'd like to keep my [...] (because madde won't install on my computer) |
| 19:55.17 | Sicelo | abc123___: thanks for help, for me n900 is dead and soon i'll get back to my good old se w890i or in distant future i'll make my own mobile |
| 19:55.35 | Sicelo | abc123___: i don't like touchscreen, i gave a try to n900 because friend got one and for him it was good, before familiarizing i thought about as he |
| 19:55.49 | Sicelo | so yes .. i don't get it :) |
| 19:56.33 | abc123___ | dead - without updates and sometimes crashing on basic usage it's not what i want |
| 19:57.56 | abc123___ | ok, friend got one for himself, got another (this one met with water), i've bought this flooded and started to learn about maemo |
| 19:59.21 | abc123___ | it seemed ok, so when w890i started really dying (fastport after about 8 years of usage was worn off, i've lost headphones and maybe some other functions) i thought to try n900 which was in good condition, found one and bought |
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| 22:06.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: pali: WTF?!!!???? |
| 22:06.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | google.com/mail/answer/188131 for more information. q9si10943032wjl.108 - gsmtp pali.rohar@gmail.com SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c08::1b]: 550-5.7.1 [2a01:4f8:191:9003:5246:5dff:fea3:2c21 12] Our system has 550-5.7.1 detected that this message is likely unsolicited mail. To reduce the |
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| 22:07.19 | Linkandzelda | any way i can make 2 quick opening and closing of the lens cover trigger on and off the flash? that would be a cool way to use it when i need a torch |
| 22:07.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 22:08.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, there is a way to define what happens when opening the cam cover |
| 22:08.55 | Linkandzelda | well forget that, just trying to think of the quickest way to activate the torch |
| 22:09.38 | Linkandzelda | maybe instead of it showing "open lens cover" when pressing the cam button it would turn on and off the flash, is that possible? |
| 22:09.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't have it at hand right now, the idea was to enter flashlight mode when pointing downwards (accelerometer) and otherwise enter snapshot mode, or video mode when cam trigger pushed while opening lens cover |
| 22:09.52 | Linkandzelda | oh wait, the flash is behind the cover. nvm |
| 22:10.06 | Linkandzelda | thats a good idea |
| 22:10.52 | Vajb | there is app for it, but kinda remember that it was known to cause some problems and not recommended |
| 22:10.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Linkandzelda: quickest way: open lens cover, slide open keyboard, press "T" (assuming you got camera-ui1 [CSSU]) |
| 22:11.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/1/2/ |
| 22:12.04 | Linkandzelda | oh, yep, that works well too |
| 22:12.45 | Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: thanks for the hint. I didn't need it but since i have thr function, might as well use it |
| 22:12.56 | Vajb | the* |
| 22:13.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | which hint? |
| 22:13.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry my day is busy |
| 22:14.11 | Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: what u just said abour opening lens cover and pressing T |
| 22:14.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah OK, yw |
| 22:14.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | how's your tracker? |
| 22:15.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: could you please get decent email account? |
| 22:15.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | pali (absent): same to you ^^^ |
| 22:16.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | gmail, REALLY now? :-O |
| 22:16.41 | Vajb | not actig up atm, because i kept gallery closed |
| 22:16.47 | Vajb | acting* |
| 22:16.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | please open it |
| 22:17.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | give tracker-fscker a 2h to complete its annoying duties |
| 22:17.43 | Sicelo | it's probably finished long ago :) |
| 22:18.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | you get a (bogus, truncated to 3 digits) runtine estimation when tracker still active and you open mediaplayer |
| 22:19.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ETA: [XXX]987 minutes (not that the displayed minutes would mean a thing when they were 8 digits) |
| 22:20.24 | Sicelo | simple test to see if it did index, and is no longer indexing, run the following commands in terminal: 1) "tracker-stats" .. do the numbers look correct? if not, 2) "tracker-status -f -d" will tell you what's going on |
| 22:20.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | more simple test: open mediaplayer |
| 22:20.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 22:21.11 | Sicelo | i've seen cases where opening those doesn't trigger indexing |
| 22:21.50 | Sicelo | right now i've got a video that's not yet detected by tracker :) got it 12 hours ago |
| 22:21.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe doesn't trigger, but will block until indexing finished, and show a yellow ribbon notifier about ETA |
| 22:21.57 | Vajb | well i browsed through some pics and nothing. Then i opened and closed mediaplayer and now it went berserk |
| 22:22.10 | Sicelo | lol |
| 22:22.31 | Sicelo | Vajb: just wait for it. you're not helping yourself any by distrubing it |
| 22:22.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: PING |
| 22:22.54 | Sicelo | tracker-status -f -d will show you in realtime what it's busy doing right now |
| 22:22.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, aborting tracker will make matters worse |
| 22:23.00 | Vajb | Sicelo: yeah im going to |
| 22:23.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: open mediaplayer again |
| 22:23.59 | Sicelo | once the database is populated, you should not get problems again even when adding/removing files, unless you have really big upheaval |
| 22:25.24 | Vajb | Sicelo: tracker-status -f -d just says that i can stop following by pressing ctrl+c |
| 22:25.55 | Sicelo | wait |
| 22:26.26 | Sicelo | if it keeps on like that, it means no indexing currently going on |
| 22:26.44 | Vajb | also opened mediaplayer and it shows nothing unusual |
| 22:27.10 | Sicelo | means indexing finished |
| 22:27.26 | Sicelo | numbers in tracker-stats look right to you? |
| 22:28.31 | Vajb | well still showing nothing |
| 22:28.45 | Sicelo | huh? |
| 22:29.21 | Sicelo | tracker-stats shows nothing? |
| 22:29.40 | Vajb | hmm actually mediaplayer shows i have 0 songs |
| 22:30.02 | Vajb | yeah tracker-status shows nothing |
| 22:30.05 | Sicelo | ah.. so yours didn't start to index |
| 22:30.26 | Sicelo | even when opening/closing mediaplayer ... i've seeen that |
| 22:31.16 | Vajb | heh and mediaplayer just crashed |
| 22:31.27 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: what's the correct way to start trackerd? |
| 22:32.13 | Sicelo | i think i've done /usr/lib/tracker/trackerd in the past, but was not too sure if that's the right way to go about it |
| 22:32.19 | Sicelo | it did work though |
| 22:34.35 | Vajb | well it seems it did it's thing |
| 22:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I dunno |
| 22:34.57 | Vajb | songs r back and cpu and memory r back to low levels |
| 22:35.02 | Sicelo | :) |
| 22:35.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 22:35.10 | Sicelo | sound you got few? |
| 22:35.18 | Sicelo | how many you have? |
| 22:35.20 | Vajb | without me killing any process |
| 22:35.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | even better |
| 22:35.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | killing processes isn't the recommended way |
| 22:35.41 | Vajb | 1891 songs |
| 22:35.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | that few?? |
| 22:36.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | on 64GB? |
| 22:36.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | only FLAC? |
| 22:37.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I hate tracker. If it wasn't that annoying to use, I'd go for the filesystem interface in mediaplayer |
| 22:37.38 | Vajb | 256kbs and up mp3 |
| 22:37.52 | Sicelo | my video still not appearing |
| 22:38.01 | Vajb | 7321 minutes and 5 seconds |
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| 22:39.28 | Vajb | hah actually my memory fucked up. I have just 32gb card... |
| 22:39.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I forgot the name of this plugin |
| 22:40.03 | Vajb | i was planning to get 512gb chinese, but i heard they r fake |
| 22:40.18 | Sicelo | did it now. tracker-processes -t, then tracker-stats |
| 22:40.23 | Sicelo | video is indexed |
| 22:40.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | "plugin" - "filesystem" |
| 22:40.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: anything > 200 (256) GB is utter fake |
| 22:41.14 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: that plugin is for? |
| 22:41.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | filesystem access to media |
| 22:42.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, you could also open file:// in microB, then click on a media file |
| 22:42.15 | Sicelo | or just the file manager :) |
| 22:42.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, or that |
| 22:42.33 | Sicelo | that's how i've been playing my hide-and-seek video thus far |
| 22:42.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | THE filemanager? I fot half a dozen |
| 22:43.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | got* |
| 22:43.12 | Sicelo | only stock file manager on mine |
| 22:43.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and prolly the *all* work this way |
| 22:43.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | they |
| 22:43.34 | Sicelo | the plugin .. it's in repos? what's the pkg name? |
| 22:43.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 22:43.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 22:43.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | toldya |
| 22:43.51 | Vajb | i like hamster filer |
| 22:44.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know it wasn't musorgsky |
| 22:44.42 | Vajb | musorgsky was that thing supposed to write tags to mp3 files? |
| 22:44.48 | Sicelo | okay. |
| 22:44.58 | Vajb | never got it working |
| 22:45.19 | Sicelo | my method works for my needs, for now. will search for the plugin though |
| 22:45.45 | Sicelo | Vajb: i didn't get it too. i use mid3v2 for writing tags |
| 22:46.23 | Vajb | i use computer |
| 22:46.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/6860214 |
| 22:46.45 | Sicelo | that's the best, of course |
| 22:46.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: yes |
| 22:47.08 | *** join/#maemo kLizss (~topi_hita@202.67.40.23) |
| 22:47.43 | Vajb | i think it is sort of sad that my music folders r a lot tidyer than my home |
| 22:48.00 | Vajb | or is it tidier? |
| 22:48.12 | Sicelo | haha. |
| 22:48.14 | Vajb | meh better arranged |
| 22:48.52 | Sicelo | hopefully you get around to tidying the home as well |
| 22:48.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | grr, not in my install-log |
| 22:49.38 | Sicelo | Vajb: my music directories are tidy, but not as tidy as i'd like them to be |
| 22:49.41 | Vajb | i do occasionally, but some random dwarfs always mess it up... |
| 22:51.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/52328478 good luck! ;-D |
| 22:51.48 | Sicelo | try oscp for your music by the way. you may like it better :) |
| 22:53.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | me? |
| 22:53.44 | Sicelo | no. Vajb |
| 22:53.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, guess I won't change for any new mediaplayer except my 100% own design |
| 22:54.35 | Vajb | i did try it at some point, but i didn't like it |
| 22:54.42 | Sicelo | ah |
| 22:54.46 | Vajb | there was too much stuff |
| 22:55.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ll mediaplayers I've seen so far are not sufficiently generic and versatile |
| 22:55.13 | Vajb | basically i would just need a play button size a screen |
| 22:55.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | all* |
| 22:55.25 | Vajb | size of a* |
| 22:55.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | my mediaplayer would adopt amazingly many concepts of HARM |
| 22:56.01 | Vajb | im happy with openmediaplayer |
| 22:56.07 | Sicelo | i don't say/think stock media player is good. no. but, since removing it isn't exactly trivial .. i'd rather come to terms with it than add more players. |
| 22:56.17 | Vajb | plus panucci for audiobooks |
| 22:56.21 | Sicelo | so yes, my only upgrade is/was OMP |
| 22:58.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/mafw-grilo-source/ |
| 22:59.20 | Sicelo | i'm not necessarily in favor of tracker either. for years i've been using directory based players myself. even on my pc, which has tracker, i still organize everything by directory. but on N900 tracker has quite a lot of control, so i've forced myself to learn to peacefully co-exist :) |
| 22:59.48 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: that's the one? it came up in apt-cache search, but i wasn't too sure, judging from name |
| 23:00.24 | Sicelo | ah, isee. will try it |
| 23:00.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it's the plugin for MP |
| 23:00.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | cna't find the real package, only *-source |
| 23:01.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's in MP's base screen menu |
| 23:01.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | "filesystem" |
| 23:01.31 | Sicelo | sounds nice. got screenshot? |
| 23:01.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/grilo-0.1-plugins/ |
| 23:02.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, screenshot. I know it's easy but I forgot how to do it ;-) |
| 23:02.38 | Sicelo | shift-ctrl-p |
| 23:02.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | k |
| 23:02.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | where's the file? |
| 23:03.08 | Sicelo | MyDocs/Images/Screenshots/* |
| 23:04.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ll ~user/MyDocs/Images/Screenshots/* |
| 23:04.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls: Zugriff auf /home/user/MyDocs/Images/Screenshots/* nicht möglich: No such file or directory |
| 23:04.22 | Sicelo | aw DocScrutinizer05 :) |
| 23:04.34 | Sicelo | MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/* |
| 23:04.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# locate Screenshots |
| 23:04.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | locate: Warnung: Die Datenbank "/var/cache/locate/locatedb" ist älter als 8 Tage (Das Alter ist 241,5 Tage). |
| 23:04.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | /home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots |
| 23:04.53 | Vajb | worked for me |
| 23:05.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | still wrong, only files from 2014 |
| 23:05.48 | Sicelo | then it wasn't shift-ctrl-p ? |
| 23:05.59 | Sicelo | i'm installing the plugin now though |
| 23:06.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# find / -name Screenshot-2016* |
| 23:06.14 | Vajb | shift-ctrl-p |
| 23:06.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmph |
| 23:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | /home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/Screenshot-20160423-010310.png |
| 23:06.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | /home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/Screenshot-20160423-010324.png |
| 23:06.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | locate db old Y-P |
| 23:06.44 | Sicelo | crazy naming for a plugin. |
| 23:07.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | grilo? YEP thus I never recall the name |
| 23:07.34 | Sicelo | i think i've seen the name even in the past, and thought it was for some cloud service |
| 23:09.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | sftp://root@iron900/home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/Screenshot-20160423-010310.png |
| 23:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | sftp://root@iron900/home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/Screenshot-20160423-010324.png |
| 23:09.46 | Sicelo | i guess i still would like to see that screenshot .. nothing new appearing on my media player |
| 23:09.54 | Sicelo | i hope i don't need a reboot |
| 23:10.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/Screenshot-20160423-010310.png http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/Screenshot-20160423-010324.png |
| 23:11.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | here you are Sicelo |
| 23:11.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 23:11.41 | Sicelo | thanks a lot. wtf! it wven browses / |
| 23:12.06 | Sicelo | i can't see anything like it on mine .. guess i need some sort of reboot |
| 23:12.20 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: does the youtube part still work? |
| 23:12.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/58639967 |
| 23:12.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | youtube part? |
| 23:13.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | hardly, lemme see |
| 23:14.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | "stabdard feeds" and "categories" (empty) |
| 23:15.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | "watch-on-mobile" category takes ages |
| 23:15.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I would have kicked all grilo features except "filesystem" if only I knew how to |
| 23:16.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/ages/infinite/ |
| 23:16.35 | Sicelo | thanks :) |
| 23:16.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jamendo, Shoutcast? WTF? |
| 23:16.55 | Sicelo | i guess i may have to reboot the whole N900 .. leaving it for later |
| 23:17.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | youtube nuke it. we all know YT doesn't work except maybe with qutetube2 |
| 23:17.43 | Sicelo | yes. even there some people report problems recently. i don't use CT2 much |
| 23:18.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | you found "filesystem" meanwhile? |
| 23:19.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess THIS plugin could live up to have a shiny career if onyl somebody invested a tiny bit of love into it |
| 23:20.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | and as I always state: tracker must die |
| 23:22.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | (failed ancient quote) |
| 23:24.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ran into "Kraftwerk 2 1972" via grilo filesystem |
| 23:25.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | straaaaaaaaaaaaaaange |
| 23:26.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpjWQZuTjVk |
| 23:29.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | one thing's for sure: I been to young to enjoy this music when it been published |
| 23:30.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjvF36gzLF8 |
| 23:34.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly my fav was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLSkTcCWdbk at that time |
| 23:34.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | magnitudes more inspired and mature |
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| 23:40.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Meddle btw was the first record I spent the nominal price to get it, on phillips cassette |
| 23:41.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | 20 DM back when |
| 23:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D63ADiZ70Qc only came later (1 year) |
| 23:44.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | now I think UmmaGuma is even better than Meddle |
| 23:45.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | AAAARRRRRGH but this YT version is uptuned to unbearable |
| 23:47.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQhQeDAMU0E sounds more natural |
| 23:52.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQhQeDAMU0E&list=PL38591848269AB91B |
