| 00:03.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975&page=137 p.137?? wtf?! |
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| 00:38.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, quiet earth, eh? |
| 00:38.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | fishbulb: what's up? |
| 00:39.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | sucks to provide a solution for a problem that seems to have vanished into nirvana |
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| 00:45.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | fishbulb: just open http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ in your phone browser and click on BM.install - then wait a 10 min while nodding off a few requesters |
| 00:45.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | then enjoy backupmenu |
| 01:07.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: how about at least patching *all* http://repository.maemo.org/extras*/dists/fremantle/install/*.install to include some mirrors of dead Nokia repos? |
| 01:08.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know we've been there done that, with skeiron. Maybe this time it receives less bashing |
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| 02:02.48 | fishbulb | hi |
| 02:02.56 | fishbulb | I was sleeping |
| 02:04.56 | fishbulb | thanks for the solution, I'll try it in a while |
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| 03:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | (wait a 10 min) *eventually* HAM will show a yellow notified like "one packet installed succkessfully" |
| 03:55.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | then it's done |
| 03:55.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | notifier* |
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| 04:50.40 | KotCzarny | wens, woohoo |
| 04:50.45 | KotCzarny | m3 is nice feature wise |
| 04:51.00 | KotCzarny | pity a83t is almost unsupported |
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| 06:20.17 | fishbulb | how close is that neo900 project? |
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| 16:46.46 | Sicelo | my n900 rebooted unexpectedly :/ |
| 16:47.09 | Sicelo | in syslog are a couple of: |
| 16:47.13 | Sicelo | kernel: [31618.557556] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered |
| 16:48.20 | KotCzarny | disable hw in /etc/sgx.conf or whatever it is? |
| 16:49.44 | Sicelo | i don't follow |
| 16:50.32 | KotCzarny | what is the value of wsegl_usehwsync in /etc/powervr.d/hildon-desktop.ini ? |
| 16:51.17 | Sicelo | 0 |
| 16:51.25 | KotCzarny | then its not it |
| 16:59.26 | Sicelo | weird thing is that i was not even doing anything unusual on the N900. it was just connected to an ssh server, & i was not using it |
| 16:59.49 | Sicelo | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9150 |
| 16:59.51 | povbot | 04Bug 9150: Device doesn't respond via UI. syslog reports HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered, sgx_misr eating all CPU |
| 17:00.30 | Sicelo | i don't know if that sgx_misr process was running erratically, as i was not actively using device |
| 17:02.46 | KotCzarny | well, at least you know you are not alone |
| 17:18.29 | drathir | anyone using genwall? |
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| 17:39.20 | Sicelo | anyone can explain how to understand/interpret /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_resets? |
| 17:48.20 | sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: I have had that in the past, unresolved bug IIRC. |
| 17:48.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a tad obfuscated but I think it counts the totals of the different reset reasons |
| 17:50.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, total of dsme process monitor restarts per process |
| 17:51.20 | Sicelo | let me show mine. |
| 17:51.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/74724405 |
| 17:52.31 | Sicelo | http://paste.debian.net/439755/ |
| 17:54.12 | Sicelo | so i'm a little lost .. is it saying *all* those applications were reset? |
| 17:54.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | note that mine also has some intentional manual kills |
| 17:54.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 17:54.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | at some time since the system got installed |
| 17:55.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | note that I always restore via BM, so mine is basically at least since PR1.3 |
| 17:55.53 | Sicelo | ah, so not useful info then if it's talking about history :p |
| 17:56.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | however camera-ui is somewhat real, I actually see lockups |
| 17:56.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | delete it |
| 17:56.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it's crap it doesn't have history/timestamps |
| 17:57.27 | Sicelo | my system has been going on for 5 years .. no reflsh/restore |
| 17:57.44 | Sicelo | so that info could be from God-knows-when |
| 17:58.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | not bad then |
| 17:59.42 | Sicelo | but lately i'm having weird things happening .. last week i would wake up to a completely hung device .. something to do with communication between mce & dbus |
| 18:00.04 | Sicelo | is it possible to restart dbus without reboot? |
| 18:00.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually not "all tose apps were reset" but "restarted" after either quitting or going unresponsive |
| 18:00.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm dbus, nope |
| 18:00.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | hardly |
| 18:02.02 | Sicelo | that's unfortunate |
| 18:02.50 | Sicelo | because most of the hiccups i have had on this device tend to involve dbus one way or other, usually with mce |
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| 18:03.27 | Sicelo | longest uptime is now only 10 days .. cannot manage beyond that |
| 18:03.52 | Sicelo | although with this latest sgx problem, perhaps battery at fault too |
| 18:04.13 | KotCzarny | sicelo, which branch you have? |
| 18:04.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 18:05.21 | Sicelo | thumb |
| 18:05.41 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 18:05.59 | KotCzarny | did it behave before you went to thumb? |
| 18:06.33 | Sicelo | i believe so. even when i got to thumb :) |
| 18:06.58 | Sicelo | this developed over time ... tbh it's hinting at a reflash, |
| 18:07.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:07.08 | Sicelo | which i'm not too keen on, yet |
| 18:11.24 | kerio | Sicelo: restarting dbus makes everything stop working properly |
| 18:11.38 | kerio | because the design is FUCKING AWFUL |
| 18:11.38 | Sicelo | maemo bugs make for amusing reading sometimes :) |
| 18:11.54 | Sicelo | kerio: doyou know how to even restart it? |
| 18:12.00 | kerio | huh |
| 18:12.04 | kerio | service dbus restart? |
| 18:12.06 | kerio | or something like that |
| 18:12.14 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.53 | Sicelo | i don't remember if i've tried that, and what happened thereafter |
| 18:13.15 | KotCzarny | most likely you will get a reboot |
| 18:13.36 | KotCzarny | because of watchdog killing things |
| 18:14.51 | KotCzarny | got me 128GB sd card for banana |
| 18:15.08 | KotCzarny | gonna try upgrading a package or two for n900 |
| 18:15.39 | KotCzarny | especially that i can have working compile env for maemo in few hundred megs now |
| 18:16.14 | KotCzarny | though binutils from lenny backports failed |
| 18:19.34 | Sicelo | another N900 thing to understand is dsme ... is it documented somewhere? |
| 18:20.21 | KotCzarny | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/System_Software#Device_State_Management_Entity_.28DSME.29 |
| 18:22.36 | Sicelo | thanks |
| 18:22.43 | KotCzarny | https://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo#DSME |
| 18:23.04 | KotCzarny | apparently source code for it is available |
| 18:24.04 | KotCzarny | after 3 kills dsme will sw reset the device |
| 18:24.15 | KotCzarny | (from random google snippets) |
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| 18:27.54 | Sicelo | anyway, got to make food. this N900 situation doesn't seem easily solvable for now. time to move to iPhone, lol |
| 18:28.14 | KotCzarny | reflash before considering such drastic move |
| 18:28.36 | KotCzarny | and try to beat 10 days on cssu-stable |
| 18:29.21 | Sicelo | lol, just a joke. i have no interest in iphone |
| 18:29.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9150#c44 hw bug? interference from cmt TX into PVR? |
| 18:29.41 | povbot | 04Bug 9150: Device doesn't respond via UI. syslog reports HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered, sgx_misr eating all CPU |
| 18:30.23 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: i've been reading it |
| 18:30.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | you didn't read my comment before |
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| 18:30.50 | Sicelo | which? |
| 18:30.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | hw bug? interference from cmt TX into PVR? |
| 18:31.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | could also be ripple on Vbatt due to cmt eating high amounts of current |
| 18:32.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9150#c45 is prolly a red herring |
| 18:32.29 | povbot | 04Bug 9150: Device doesn't respond via UI. syslog reports HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered, sgx_misr eating all CPU |
| 18:33.23 | Sicelo | for that bug, most of them seem to have a map program of sorts doing things in background. i wasn't using any maps program however |
| 18:34.04 | Sicelo | Woody reported incoming SMS as being involved .. i didn't have that either |
| 18:35.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> I might be able to provide a way to reproduce this bug reliably, perhaps using home router to create poor network conditions when the app is trying to load map images etc.<< in #48 is exactly to the point I guess |
| 18:36.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | when it's Vbatt ripple, an old battery will massively increase likelyhood of the bug |
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| 18:37.23 | Sicelo | i understand that. just wonder what would have 'rippled' me in this case though |
| 18:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | when it's EMI/RFI then the signal quality/level of 2G (particularly 2G, while 3G might be less susceptible) is relevant |
| 18:38.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: even mere phone does TX every now and then |
| 18:38.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | do yoz have 2G or 3G? |
| 18:38.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | you* |
| 18:38.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | how's your sigbal level? |
| 18:39.11 | Sicelo | 3G. i was connected to wifi at the time, full strenght. also full strength on 3G |
| 18:39.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 18:39.34 | KotCzarny | was it in the vicinity of red bar? |
| 18:39.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | then it's pretty unlikely that power bursts on cmt are the reason, neither TX RD |
| 18:39.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | RF |
| 18:40.03 | Sicelo | not red. it became red maybe 20 minutes after the reboot |
| 18:40.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | err? |
| 18:40.29 | KotCzarny | old battery might fluctuate more |
| 18:42.33 | Sicelo | i'll monitor this closely, & try get hold of another battery |
| 18:43.36 | Sicelo | goes for a shower & food |
| 18:53.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | W*T*F?! >> it can add a /etc/powervr.d/ file[1] where it sets a suitable command buffer size for itself (I have no idea whether there's documentation on this, maybe Imagination www-site has something). [1] "strace -e open -f <application>" will tell which files SGX libs try to open.<< |
| 18:57.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> I /don't/ see it anymore, still on PR1.2. Maybe coincidence, but I think it stopped when I stopped leaving GPS active 24/7.<< again a cmt domain thing that only possibly could have impact to system via Vbatt |
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| 19:25.05 | Linkandzelda | what can i do with a 2nd n900, anything cool? |
| 19:25.33 | Sicelo | alternative OS, upstream kernel with Maemo, etc. |
| 19:27.24 | Linkandzelda | hmm |
| 19:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Linkandzelda: I once did an extremely cool setup with IRreco, using one N900 as the UI input device, and a 2nd N900 placed in front of my TV playing back the IR signal using lirc server, both communicating via WLAN |
| 19:33.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | you also can remote-access the camera of one N900 and show the image on 2nd |
| 19:34.10 | Linkandzelda | oh, thats cool |
| 19:34.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you simply keep one device always-attached to your PC to always have a ssh session to maemo for testing etc |
| 19:34.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | many devels do the latter |
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| 19:36.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also used a N900 with a shellscript and ssh to log ambient light changes (actually a display of an appliance) going off for 0.5s at (what I thought was) random intervals |
| 19:37.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | people used N900 as livestream camera to their website |
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| 20:56.41 | KotCzarny | Linkandzelda: connect one of the n900 to stereo system, install some server-remote type audio player and have an intelligent audio setup/internet radio |
| 20:59.06 | Linkandzelda | not a bad idea indeed |
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| 21:02.21 | Sicelo | incidentally, i've been looking at icecast2 for n900. we've got the server in the repos |
| 21:02.25 | Sicelo | and also a client, qice |
| 21:06.53 | KotCzarny | it could also work as a video player in similar setup too, though video quality is low via cvbs cable |
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