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02:55.24DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: you're back?
02:57.17DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: ooh, no Kornbluth in your config, eh?
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08:29.30ceenewelcome to dependency hell...
08:29.37ceenei can't develop two things at the same time
08:29.49ceenebecause having newer libssl installed ends up making yappari compile against that
08:29.54ceeneso it works on sb2 but not on the phone
08:29.55ceeneor viceversa
08:30.21KotCzarnystatic linking? ;)
08:30.39KotCzarnythat's why oscp is linked statically against helper libs
08:31.00KotCzarnythings just dont build/work when done on autobuilder/unmodified sb
08:31.46ceenei'm thinking i need a second sb2 installation just for yappari :/
08:31.55ceenei won't link all of qt and ssl statically
08:32.03KotCzarnyjust ssl then?
08:32.10ceenethat's a mounstruosity i won't do
08:32.16KotCzarnyit will add ~1-2MB only
08:32.36ceenedon't care
08:32.38KotCzarnyotoh you are using ssl via qt, heh
08:32.47KotCzarnynow i see your point
08:32.48ceenei'd rather have a good dev env
08:32.55ceeneyes, that's another thing too
08:32.59ceenelibaxoltl also uses ssl
08:33.02KotCzarnywant to take over openssl repo?
08:33.04ceenethat could all be hellish
08:33.10WizzupSo if I plug the original headset that comes with the n900, a new input device is created in /dev/input
08:33.20WizzupWhich is very cute, because pressing the 'button' on the headset fires an event.
08:33.26WizzupAny clue how I could get that on Linux 4.5+ ?
08:33.57KotCzarnyhave a driver?
08:34.04WizzupRight, but I figured it may be part of ALSA.
08:34.20WizzupI don't know exactly it works on maemo now.
08:34.45WizzupSo it may be that is already works, but the right alsa switch is not set, etc.
08:34.48ceeneno, that should be a GPIO, more than probably
08:34.49WizzupI will experiment a bit more later.
08:34.57Wizzupceene: On maemo it is a new input device
08:35.08ceenebut it may be mapped from a gpio
08:35.09KotCzarnydoesnt it have info which driver is using it?
08:35.19KotCzarnyit's somewhere in /proc
08:35.28Wizzupand it emits KEY_PROG1
08:35.37Wizzupceene: maybe, but it is only avail when a headset is plugged in
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08:36.18Wizzupand I did a cat /dev/input/event*
08:36.24WizzupAnd nothing fired on mainline
08:37.25KotCzarnyRX51 (tlv320aic3x) Jack
08:37.31KotCzarnyand yes, it seems alsa is driving it
08:44.19KotCzarnyi wonder how long would it take to build gcc on banana pi
08:45.51KotCzarnyquestion: if a package requires automake1.11 for example, how to make it pass autobuilder?
08:47.21WizzupKotCzarny: I usually build gcc on my gentoo lime2's in a few hours
08:48.38KotCzarnywizzup, uhum
08:48.39KotCzarnyPreparing to replace make 3.80-9osso (using make_3.81-5_armel.deb) ...
08:48.41KotCzarnyhah.
08:48.45KotCzarnyforgot about this sucker
08:49.14KotCzarnyseriously, things in sdk and/or extras repo should get a bump
08:54.42KotCzarnyand apparently this chroot sdk approach would work fine on n900
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09:08.40ceenei hate autotools a little bit
09:08.50ceenewell, once i tried to write something that used them
09:09.16ceenei decided i shouldn't spend more time learning m4 macros and hellish syntaxes when i could spend that time on my own code
09:09.36KotCzarny:)
09:09.56KotCzarnythats why oscp is built with shell scripts
09:10.01KotCzarnyso i share your pain
09:10.32KotCzarnyAS      libavcodec/arm/apedsp_neon.o
09:10.32KotCzarnygcc: Internal error: Segmentation fault (program as)
09:10.34KotCzarnyfun stuff
09:12.28ceeneyep
09:12.34ceenei finally found Scons
09:12.38ceeneit's a build system on python
09:12.41ceeneit's not like it's perfect
09:12.46ceenebut at least python is learnable
09:15.49KotCzarnydrat. i need bigger sd card to build gcc
09:17.13ceenehow does one build a .deb package as thumb?
09:18.04KotCzarnychange cflags?
09:18.17KotCzarnyi think it only requires -mthumb
09:18.20ceeneno, i think there's an env variable that must be exported
09:19.16KotCzarnyhttp://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/everybody_please_fix_bug_in_your_scratchbox_installation/
09:19.18KotCzarnyrelated?
09:19.47ceenehttp://maemo.org/community/oldwiki/howto-enablethumbandsoftfloat/
09:19.50ceenethis thing
09:19.59ceenebut qt doesn't have that thing on debian/rules
09:20.05ceeneso i don't know how is it compiled with thumb
09:20.26ceeneyep, that was it
09:20.30ceenewell, more or less
09:28.05WizzupKotCzarny: your attempts to compile on sd cards make me sad
09:28.36KotCzarnywizzup: as i said, that's what i had in the vicinity when i got the idea
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10:45.57ceenefinally, i've sent a pull request to disable ssl on qt4.7
10:46.13ceenesome apps that don't work will start magically working
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15:44.36KotCzarnyapt-get install libpulse-dev
15:44.45KotCzarny27 newly installed
15:44.50KotCzarnyfun, isnt it?
15:45.09KotCzarnyfucker tries to install half of x-dev libs
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15:56.14KotCzarnyon the positive note, somehow eq/reverb and other sox effects work now
15:56.23KotCzarnywithout skipping
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18:42.25DocScrutinizer05HHHMPHHH received my ballot / token mail. It nicely mentions that there's a time limit of 7 days for voting, but - unless I'm blind - it doesn't give away WHEN VOTING PERIOD STARTS
18:45.02DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/19/plasma-desktoppm2219.png  a tad frustrating
18:45.43DocScrutinizer05(not the fact that it hasn't started yet, but the fact that you need to click the URL to learn when it starts)
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18:46.16DocScrutinizer05other than that: kudos to council for managing another vote :-)
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19:59.17DocScrutinizer05s/vote/election/
20:02.23DocScrutinizer05realizes there's missing a "what it means to be council" howto, and suggests all recent and particularly former/ex/longtime council members colaborate to draft such howto, listing all the tiny everyday duties abd responsibilities
20:03.04DocScrutinizer05and*
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20:07.53DocScrutinizer05so far this knowledge been based on long time community membership and contribution, watching former councils act, and of course by word of mouth from long term council members to new ones. As more and more long term community members are not available for council anymore, we need an alternative for new fresh enthusiastic council candidates to acquire that knowledge
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20:09.56DocScrutinizer05for a stop-gap I suggest reading all meeting minutes since, dunno 2010? ;-)
20:10.44fishbulbI need to switch info on phones
20:11.06fishbulbI flashed one and have to transfer the contents of my n900 to another one
20:13.07DocScrutinizer05~bm
20:13.07infobot[backupmenu] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
20:13.22DocScrutinizer05did this half a dozen times now
20:13.51DocScrutinizer05takes 20 minutes, most of it runtime for the backup/restore
20:14.09DocScrutinizer05fishbulb: ^^^
20:14.38fishbulbI'm reading it, thanks
20:14.42DocScrutinizer05yw
20:15.16DocScrutinizer05flash new device, install bm, restore from uSD from bm backup of your old device
20:15.29DocScrutinizer05adjust devicename etc, if needed
20:16.35DocScrutinizer05don't forget bm does _not_ handle MyDocs
20:17.10DocScrutinizer05you need to handle that "manually", via mass storage copy to/from your PC, for example
20:17.48keriowe should backport zfs
20:17.49DocScrutinizer05copy MyDocs -> uSD possible but not recommended, it takes ages possibly
20:21.33bencohkerio: zfs on a 256MB device?
20:21.37fishbulbI have two corpses
20:21.41bencohyeaaaah, riiiiight :]
20:22.22fishbulbwhen this phone dies, I have to get some smudgy screen mashing piece of crap :/
20:29.52keriobencoh: technically the strict minimum is 64mb
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20:32.27bencohyeah sure
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21:33.10fishbulbum, the backupmenu in this repo is 1.2.0-2
21:34.08fishbulbis this actually the one to use?
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21:48.16fishbulbwhich version of backupmenu is the current one?
21:48.45Sicelothat one
21:50.51fishbulbwhich one
21:51.45Sicelo1.2.0-2
21:53.04DocScrutinizer05use any that works for you, they are all fine
21:53.37DocScrutinizer05you might get a few unmet dependencies with the testing, possibly, since it needs i2ctools to enable charging iirc
21:54.10DocScrutinizer05unless that got fixed meanwhile
21:55.20DocScrutinizer05I *think* I brute-force promoted i2ctools to testing, so the dependencies should be met
21:56.29DocScrutinizer05~pkg
21:56.29infobotextra, extra, read all about it, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/
21:59.02fishbulbhow do I get the dependencies
21:59.11DocScrutinizer05hmm i2ctools are even in extras now, so no dependency problems expected
21:59.27fishbulbit says there is a problem
21:59.34fishbulbin that it's uninstallable
21:59.36DocScrutinizer05please quote (pastebin)
21:59.52fishbulbusing application manager
22:00.00fishbulba dependency isn't met
22:00.07fishbulband I don't know why it doens' tjust install it
22:00.25DocScrutinizer05when you install via HAM, there's a "details" tab
22:00.43DocScrutinizer05or "errors" or whatever
22:00.45fishbulbsummary description problems
22:00.57fishbulbproblems: unable to install "backupmenu"
22:01.15fishbulbapplication packages missing: liblzo2-2
22:01.23DocScrutinizer05oooh
22:02.16DocScrutinizer05dang nokia! http://maemo.org/packages/view/liblzo2-2/
22:02.35DocScrutinizer05~jrrepos
22:02.36infobotit has been said that jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/
22:03.13fishbulbwhat?
22:03.25DocScrutinizer05or simply install http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/l/lzo2/liblzo2-2_2.03-1maemo3_armel.deb
22:03.38ecc3g<PROTECTED>
22:03.40ecc3gclear
22:03.53DocScrutinizer05clear
22:04.02DocScrutinizer05;-P
22:06.04DocScrutinizer05fishbulb: the problem aiui is:  you can't get the "Fremantle nokia-applications explicit armel" repo anymore
22:06.36DocScrutinizer05there are other repos where to get liblzo
22:07.08DocScrutinizer05or you simply install the .deb via download and dpkg -i ./liblzo2-2_2.03-1maemo3_armel.deb
22:07.34DocScrutinizer05@council: ^^^ is sth you should have a look into
22:08.14DocScrutinizer05either find and fix the problem, or delegate. At least discuss with community how to fix this
22:08.41DocScrutinizer05this is a typical council task
22:09.13DocScrutinizer05doesn't need experts to coordinate fixing
22:10.17DocScrutinizer05fishbulb: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/liblzo2-2/2.03-1maemo3/
22:10.36Sicelothat package should be in one of the mirrors
22:10.38DocScrutinizer05add SDK repo and you should be done
22:10.52DocScrutinizer05or what Sicelo said
22:11.42DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: could you check if it's covered by http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/recommended.install ?
22:12.48fishbulbis it in testing
22:13.12Sicelohttp://paste.debian.net/439614/
22:14.39DocScrutinizer05sure, tools, so use http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/muarf_devel_tools.install
22:15.44DocScrutinizer05so it seems it's not im muarf mirror?
22:16.26DocScrutinizer05fishbulb: no, liblzo is a base package that's not in maemo-extras-*
22:16.30DocScrutinizer05aiui
22:16.58fishbulbso I can't install backupmenu
22:17.00DocScrutinizer05it's in tools and SDK repo however
22:17.08DocScrutinizer05you can, easily
22:17.27DocScrutinizer05just click on  http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/muarf_devel_tools.install in device's browser
22:17.54DocScrutinizer05nod off the warnings, then install BM, should work
22:19.02DocScrutinizer05or, like I said above, you download http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/l/lzo2/liblzo2-2_2.03-1maemo3_armel.deb and install it from cmdline via dpkg -i liblzo2-2_2.03-1maemo3_armel.deb
22:19.55DocScrutinizer05nfc why it is in maemo.org/pool
22:20.51DocScrutinizer05prolly that's what SDK and tools refer to
22:21.22DocScrutinizer05ask merlin1991 for details, he's repo master and our expert
22:26.37DocScrutinizer05please refer to http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/  and  http://maemo.org/packages/view/liblzo2-2/
22:27.16DocScrutinizer05you want any fremantle armel repo
22:28.07DocScrutinizer05I.E. either Fremantle SDK free armel  or  Fremantle SDK tools free armel, or you just download and install the .deb manually
22:29.21DocScrutinizer05ponders to brute-force promote from SDK tools to maemo-extras, to fix this issue
22:36.05DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: ^^^ any thoughts? comments?
22:37.08fishbulbbrute force please :)
22:37.14DocScrutinizer05hehe
22:37.17fishbulbor just that one thing
22:37.26fishbulbinclude it with backupmenu
22:37.42DocScrutinizer05yes, that should also be a possible solution
22:37.59DocScrutinizer05'locally linked' liblzo
22:38.13fishbulbit seems to me like that's less hassle
22:38.19DocScrutinizer05included and shipped in BM
22:39.32DocScrutinizer05hmm, a one-click backupmenu.install comes to mind
22:41.02DocScrutinizer05should be trivial to add e.g. the tools repo to satisfy dependecies
22:41.55fishbulbhow hard is it to add that package with backupmenu?
22:43.57DocScrutinizer05see example http://my-maemo.com/downloads/sendfile.php4?DownloadID=1104
22:44.24fishbulbwith the phone?
22:44.58DocScrutinizer05http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/install/wifieye.install
22:45.07DocScrutinizer05look at it NOT in phone
22:45.18DocScrutinizer05it's not BM
22:45.43DocScrutinizer05it shows how it might be easily possible to install BM with just one click, and meet all dependencies
22:46.38fishbulbthe link doesn't work
22:46.51DocScrutinizer05afaik an .install file can have more than one repo *and* a package
22:47.40DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/20/plasma-desktopJU2219.png
22:47.59DocScrutinizer05compare http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/muarf_devel_tools.install
22:56.54DocScrutinizer05fishbulb: could you please try clicking http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install in phone's browser?
22:57.30DocScrutinizer05nothing bad should happen, worst case maybe it doesn't work
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23:10.24DocScrutinizer05anybody willing to test BM.install one-click?
23:13.38DocScrutinizer05krhrhr http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/install/backupmenu.install still refers to maemo-extras-devel for BM
23:13.50DocScrutinizer05please try http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install
23:15.28DocScrutinizer05nevermind my rant, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/install/backupmenu.install looks good, just lacks SDK tools repo for liblzo
23:15.32DocScrutinizer05so
23:15.35DocScrutinizer05please try http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install
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23:56.39DocScrutinizer05ok, I tested it on an age old plain maemo fremantle (Pr1.2 even?) system, and apart from taking ages it seems to install just great
23:56.44DocScrutinizer05~bm
23:56.44infobotfrom memory, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
23:57.17DocScrutinizer05~bm is also one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install
23:57.17infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay
23:57.20DocScrutinizer05~bm
23:57.20infobotwell, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install

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