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| 07:27.51 | Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: what kind of video out port(s) are on the Neo900? |
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| 07:30.37 | ceene | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1503625&postcount=1397 |
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| 07:32.33 | ceene | DO NOT USE YAPPARI. |
| 07:32.35 | ceene | seems clear |
| 07:33.22 | KotCzarny | add " / FIND ANOTHER SANE IM NETWORK" |
| 07:33.40 | KotCzarny | after every warning |
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| 07:38.35 | bencoh | ceene: it gets you banned? |
| 07:43.31 | KotCzarny | temporarily |
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| 07:56.05 | kerio | hi, can i use yappari? |
| 07:58.50 | KotCzarny | yes, who are we to stop you from doing it? |
| 08:00.27 | ceene | kerio: sure you can! |
| 08:00.35 | ceene | when you get banned you can blame then :D |
| 08:00.43 | ceene | s/blame/blame me/ |
| 08:01.07 | ceene | bencoh: yep, it seems so |
| 08:01.13 | KotCzarny | is there yappari for macbooks? |
| 08:01.15 | ceene | due to the protocol change |
| 08:01.26 | ceene | what? |
| 08:01.35 | ceene | even if it exists, do not use it |
| 08:01.40 | KotCzarny | kerio has an apple product |
| 08:01.42 | ceene | do not use anything that comes from ceene |
| 08:01.52 | ceene | it'll break everything |
| 08:01.57 | kerio | ceene: pull the package from the repos |
| 08:02.05 | ceene | can i do that? |
| 08:02.10 | ceene | didn't know |
| 08:02.12 | kerio | i assume so \_o_/ |
| 08:02.15 | KotCzarny | just add a warning before connect and reupload |
| 08:02.34 | kerio | just replace yappari with /usr/bin/true |
| 08:02.44 | kerio | not the gnu coreutils version though, that one sucks |
| 08:02.48 | ceene | false would be better, i guess |
| 08:02.58 | ceene | yeah, cos return 0 is too dificult to write for the gnu bunch |
| 08:03.20 | KotCzarny | make it display picture of a kitten too! |
| 08:03.45 | ceene | do you guys know that i have a work? |
| 08:03.53 | kerio | ceene: honestly just pull the package |
| 08:03.53 | KotCzarny | pah |
| 08:03.59 | ceene | i can't spend all my time not only fixing yappari but also placing kittens |
| 08:04.08 | kerio | placing kittens > fixing yappari |
| 08:04.15 | KotCzarny | kittens > work |
| 08:04.30 | ceene | http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html |
| 08:04.35 | ceene | i did this in fact, for a coworker |
| 08:04.39 | KotCzarny | http://imgur.com/r/kittens |
| 08:04.56 | KotCzarny | pick one and redisplay on 'connect' |
| 08:05.07 | kerio | "due to changes in the whatsapp protocol, we had to choose between things to focus on; thus we decided to focus on our core purpose of displaying kittens, dropping the IM functionality" |
| 08:05.14 | ceene | :D |
| 08:05.25 | kerio | no but seriously remove the package from the repos |
| 08:05.45 | ceene | i'm trying |
| 08:05.48 | ceene | but i don't think i can |
| 08:05.51 | kerio | that's insane |
| 08:05.54 | ceene | i can push another version |
| 08:05.54 | KotCzarny | i think one cant remove package without admin help, so replacing with a warning is doable |
| 08:05.56 | ceene | or promote it |
| 08:06.03 | ceene | which doesn't seem a cool thing to do right now |
| 08:06.03 | kerio | is it in extras? |
| 08:06.07 | ceene | only on extras-devel |
| 08:06.15 | ceene | in principle nobody should use that |
| 08:06.21 | kerio | just push an empty package |
| 08:06.23 | kerio | as an upgrade |
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| 08:20.30 | jonwil_ | hi |
| 08:27.35 | ceene | i've just uploaded an empty package, 2.0.28 |
| 08:27.52 | ceene | if i get this thing to work it'll be version 3.0 |
| 08:27.54 | KotCzarny | empty package without any info will get you lots of confusion |
| 08:28.10 | ceene | all of the confused people can go and use telegram |
| 08:28.12 | ceene | or the fuck they want |
| 08:28.16 | ceene | i may do that myself |
| 08:28.26 | KotCzarny | go irc |
| 08:28.50 | ceene | i like irc very much |
| 08:28.57 | ceene | i've been using it for thousands of years |
| 08:29.00 | ceene | even before it was invented |
| 08:29.05 | ceene | well, not so much |
| 08:29.10 | ceene | since i knew what a computer was, almost |
| 08:29.36 | KotCzarny | there was no irc for timex2048 :/ |
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| 09:03.35 | kerio | do we have a signal client already |
| 09:06.55 | Wizzup | do we need one |
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| 09:15.47 | jonwil | Seems like what people are most interested in for the N900 is a client for Whatsapp (something that was in progress but is now stalled) |
| 09:16.16 | kerio | ceene: have you tried talking to mark zuckerberg |
| 09:16.31 | kerio | add him on facebook |
| 09:18.00 | jonwil | It seems like the companies behind Whatsapp and other proprietary protocols would rather not have 3rd party open implementations floating around out there. |
| 09:18.18 | jonwil | I bet if the N900 didn't have an official Skype client and someone wrote an unofficial one, Microsoft would care |
| 09:19.10 | jonwil | Me, I dont care about Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram or anything else connected to the Zuckerberg empire |
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| 09:44.43 | ceene | kerio: and what should i tell him? |
| 09:44.56 | kerio | "yo how do i whatsapp" |
| 09:45.07 | ceene | to pay a couple of developers to port whatsapp to n900, a device that has been out of market for nearly a decade when they're deprecating even old android phones? |
| 09:45.26 | kerio | nah, just ask him to send you the specs |
| 09:45.35 | ceene | it's not a matter of specs right now |
| 09:45.40 | ceene | it's more or less there, with written code |
| 09:45.51 | ceene | it's the time required to port all that existing code to my specific platform and gui |
| 09:46.41 | ceene | right now, libwa is segfaulting on me |
| 09:49.30 | kerio | oh neat |
| 09:49.49 | kerio | ceene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0 |
| 09:52.18 | KotCzarny | ceene: it would be sufficient to write sample client lib for linux, with open source |
| 09:52.51 | ceene | oh, great |
| 09:52.57 | ceene | now i got a heisenbug |
| 09:53.11 | ceene | if i add a qDebug() to print what parameters i'm sending, there's no more segfaulting |
| 09:53.47 | ceene | KotCzarny: a lib doesn't get you to speak with anyone... |
| 09:53.55 | ceene | that already exists |
| 09:54.13 | kerio | ceene: leave the qDebug there |
| 09:54.14 | kerio | ez |
| 09:54.24 | kerio | HTH.HAND |
| 09:55.53 | jonwil | I thought the plan was to use the existing pigin/libpurple WhatsApp implementation |
| 09:56.09 | ceene | na, it's segfaulting again |
| 09:56.20 | ceene | jonwil: easiest for me right now should be coderus' libwa |
| 09:56.24 | ceene | as it's written in qt |
| 09:56.33 | ceene | and api is similar although not equal |
| 09:57.01 | Wizzup | I thought the problem with whatsapp is the fact that they keep banning you with alt implementations. |
| 09:57.23 | ceene | they only ban us because they detect we do something different as them |
| 09:57.29 | ceene | if we do the same, they can't know who we are |
| 09:57.34 | Wizzup | Exactly, that is what I am saying |
| 09:57.43 | jonwil | Maybe someone needs to cleanroom the Android version |
| 09:57.45 | Wizzup | ceene: so they change their client to pad an extra byte, and then ban all others that do ot do that. |
| 09:57.51 | Wizzup | jonwil: or just don't care about it |
| 09:57.59 | Wizzup | jonwil: use ssh + some other client |
| 09:58.25 | jonwil | yeah |
| 09:59.30 | bencoh | ceene: do you get a protocole version number from whatsapp at first connection attempt? |
| 09:59.54 | bencoh | I guess their client has a way of knowing protocole has changed and they should upgrade |
| 10:07.06 | Sicelo | debian packaging question ... i once built a package for maemo (irssi with perl support), and created a deb. however, that deb actually included the source files too. :p |
| 10:07.10 | Sicelo | where did i go wrong? |
| 10:12.06 | KotCzarny | wizzup: banning on change of protocol without making sure most users upgraded would surely ban many legitimate users |
| 10:12.17 | KotCzarny | unless they implement 'upgrade first then connect' |
| 10:14.11 | Sicelo | they do |
| 10:14.32 | Sicelo | users who suddenly cannot connect know they have to upgrade |
| 10:14.52 | Sicelo | it is a rather messy system |
| 10:15.02 | KotCzarny | nope, i meant something different |
| 10:15.17 | KotCzarny | client that wouldnt even allow connecting after version check |
| 10:15.33 | KotCzarny | otherwise trying to connect == ban |
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| 10:20.46 | Sicelo | i understand you now |
| 10:20.58 | ceene | and just to add insult to injury my internet went off ¬¬ |
| 10:21.51 | KotCzarny | your isp banned you for using unauthorized device |
| 10:21.53 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 10:22.29 | ceene | na, the lights went off |
| 10:22.40 | ceene | how is it called in english? |
| 10:22.42 | ceene | the thingy |
| 10:22.45 | ceene | the general switches |
| 10:23.13 | KotCzarny | blackout |
| 10:23.21 | ceene | not exactly |
| 10:23.32 | ceene | only a section of the distribution network |
| 10:23.34 | ceene | we did have lights |
| 10:23.40 | ceene | but no switches or network devices |
| 10:23.52 | ceene | i'm goona be testing libwa on the device itself |
| 10:23.58 | ceene | i'm thinking that this segfaults aren't normal |
| 10:24.04 | ceene | and maybe are caused by scratchbox |
| 10:25.36 | KotCzarny | ceene, segv with different debug flags/code paths means bad pointers somewhere |
| 10:28.04 | ceene | the piece of shit that is qt shouldn't segfault as much |
| 10:28.11 | ceene | i've never had so many segfaults on my simple C code |
| 10:28.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:28.29 | KotCzarny | complex code == bugs |
| 10:28.52 | KotCzarny | especially code that was modified during development |
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| 10:34.03 | ceene | ok |
| 10:34.07 | ceene | this is not libwa's fault |
| 10:34.08 | ceene | it can't be |
| 10:34.19 | ceene | this shit is segfaulting when entering an empty method |
| 10:35.35 | Wizzup | calling convention issues? (doubt it) |
| 10:36.20 | ceene | my guess is scratchbox |
| 10:36.26 | ceene | or my scratchbox installation |
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| 12:06.52 | Oksanaa | Mussorgsky album art lookup is not working. Well, restart might cure that... |
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| 12:15.55 | Oksanaa | Searching (album + artist): https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=Quincy%20Jones+Mackenna%27s%20Gold&tbs=isz:m&iar:s |
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| 12:16.12 | Oksanaa | Mussorgsky ^ Not finding album art |
| 12:18.04 | Oksanaa | And, bibisco is pre-compiled for linux32, but apparently not for armel (doesn't work out of the box, in short). |
| 12:29.23 | Oksanaa | Maepad is nice... Dependencies list looks complicated, though |
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| 12:58.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ceene: ask council resp repo maintainer ( merlin1991) to lock or delete yappari if that is what you want |
| 13:03.53 | stryngs | calculates the Traveling Salesman algorithm via his n900... |
| 13:04.11 | KotCzarny | isnt there a solution on google already? |
| 13:05.21 | stryngs | No... |
| 13:05.24 | stryngs | Still worth 1 Mil |
| 13:15.54 | bencoh | there is a marble plugin but I don't think it's compiled for n900 |
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| 13:25.43 | ceene | ok, this code seems to work on n900 without segfault |
| 13:34.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ceene: do you still need to lock yappari repo? |
| 13:39.14 | ceene | DocScrutinizer05: no, that's okay |
| 13:39.17 | ceene | i uploaded an empty package |
| 13:39.34 | ceene | and i've made it very very explicit that no one should use yappari |
| 13:55.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, so you don't need repo admin action |
| 13:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | one off my todo list :-) |
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| 15:39.15 | KotCzarny | ramose: why don't you use already working one? |
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| 15:51.58 | sixwheeledbeast | Could do with getting email working on my stable N900 again within the week or so. Any other email clients available that will work? |
| 15:52.20 | KotCzarny | firefox? |
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| 16:03.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, istn't there a lot of them, like claws etc? |
| 16:04.22 | Sicelo | mutt |
| 16:04.38 | Sicelo | uses it 90% of the time on N900 |
| 16:05.05 | sixwheeledbeast | firefox o.O |
| 16:05.33 | KotCzarny | swb: if you have webmail option, there are webmails that arent heavy on js |
| 16:05.44 | KotCzarny | which means they probably work with microb too |
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| 16:06.19 | KotCzarny | and yeah, mutt/pine/alpine |
| 16:06.24 | sixwheeledbeast | I would be happy with modest if it still worked on stable. Although I don't know what is actually broken. It's for work so no web mail option. |
| 16:06.53 | KotCzarny | stable might have deprecated/banned certs |
| 16:07.43 | Sicelo | sixwheeledbeast: work? exchange? or IMAP/POP? |
| 16:10.11 | sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: I am guessing POP but I don't know yet, only they are giving If-fones to everyone for company email |
| 16:11.37 | sixwheeledbeast | if it's certs then another client may not solve the issue then, hm |
| 16:11.50 | Sicelo | try it :) |
| 16:12.02 | Sicelo | also test with openssl s_client |
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| 17:46.29 | ceene | argh, i have so many things to do |
| 17:46.36 | ceene | i made a port of openssl1.0.2 |
| 17:46.49 | KotCzarny | watch some kittens, it will ease the pain, watch them |
| 17:47.00 | ceene | i've finished watching today The night manager |
| 17:47.11 | ceene | no kittens but spies, which are cool in their own way |
| 17:47.22 | KotCzarny | the night kittehs |
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| 17:47.25 | ceene | :D |
| 17:47.44 | ceene | i have a cat myself, nowadays she lets me sleep |
| 17:47.53 | KotCzarny | must be getting old |
| 17:47.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:48.20 | ceene | no, she goes to purrrrrr over my gf |
| 17:48.27 | ceene | and i can sleep, but she can't |
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| 17:48.32 | KotCzarny | a decoy! |
| 17:49.11 | Sicelo | talking about cats: |
| 17:49.13 | Sicelo | https://www.facebook.com/dailypicksandflicks/videos/vb.168146169872122/1110961762257220/?type=2&theater |
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| 17:55.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | "... just seconds before the crash" ;-P |
| 17:56.59 | Sicelo | :D |
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| 18:30.22 | ceene | libqt4-core (>= 1:4.7.4~git20110505) |
| 18:30.24 | ceene | where is that? |
| 18:30.26 | ceene | in which repo? |
| 18:30.46 | ceene | ah |
| 18:30.47 | ceene | nah |
| 18:30.47 | ceene | forget it |
| 18:31.25 | ceene | this is incredible, i am the sole maintainer of yappari and can't find a .deb i can install on this scratchbox installation |
| 18:31.28 | ceene | :D |
| 18:31.55 | KotCzarny | #tooDrunkToCode ? |
| 18:32.03 | ceene | not yet |
| 18:32.17 | KotCzarny | ahm, the %% peak incoming |
| 18:32.43 | KotCzarny | https://xkcd.com/323/ |
| 18:32.44 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 18:34.41 | ceene | there's truloy an xkcd for everything |
| 18:35.52 | KotCzarny | https://xkcd.com/968/ |
| 18:36.01 | KotCzarny | and of course: https://xkcd.com/231/ |
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| 18:40.42 | ceene | Eres un gato! |
| 18:40.53 | ceene | that's what I tell my cat |
| 18:40.56 | ceene | a lot, to be honest |
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| 18:46.28 | tiss | hello |
| 18:46.35 | tiss | i am trying to flash emmc on n900 |
| 18:46.43 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 18:46.44 | infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline |
| 18:47.34 | tiss | but the flasher doesnt start, here's paste from console http://pastebin.com/raw/JXVpcxnz |
| 18:48.00 | KotCzarny | old flasher |
| 18:48.03 | KotCzarny | grab 3.5 |
| 18:48.12 | KotCzarny | in the link above |
| 18:52.30 | tiss | i have 3.5 |
| 18:52.45 | KotCzarny | flasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009) |
| 18:52.52 | KotCzarny | why does it say 2.5.2 then? |
| 18:53.02 | tiss | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb to be exact |
| 18:53.06 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 18:54.23 | KotCzarny | try another usb port? |
| 18:54.37 | KotCzarny | or cable? or os? |
| 18:55.33 | KotCzarny | btw. is it in bootloop? |
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| 18:56.52 | tiss | yes it is |
| 18:57.06 | KotCzarny | low battery maybe? |
| 18:57.12 | tiss | well, i tried flashing the COMBINED image firsst and it works |
| 18:57.35 | KotCzarny | try booting rescueos and charge it using the script |
| 18:57.37 | tiss | maybe i'll try it after its flashed |
| 18:58.32 | KotCzarny | but if it has enough battery still just use the script from factoid infobot said |
| 18:59.01 | tiss | hey it works now |
| 19:01.09 | tiss | boot sure is taking its time.... |
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| 19:02.06 | Sicelo | yes, 1st boot does |
| 19:02.49 | tiss | hey what do you know, it actually didn't freeze |
| 19:02.55 | tiss | who woulda thought |
| 19:04.19 | KotCzarny | i guess you know about cssu? |
| 19:04.58 | tiss | yeah sure but its been *years* since i last messed around with n900 |
| 19:05.13 | tiss | is https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_The_Perfect_Setup#Initial_Firmware_Setup still relevant? |
| 19:05.24 | tiss | i mean the whole article |
| 19:05.24 | KotCzarny | you might be interested in cssu-thumb if you like nice tricks |
| 19:05.34 | KotCzarny | nah, the article isnt authoritative |
| 19:05.39 | KotCzarny | but some tips are ok |
| 19:05.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | never really was |
| 19:06.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | one man's perfect setup is another man's WTF of the week |
| 19:06.58 | tiss | i remember trying to use swappolube and slight OC to make the device more smooth |
| 19:07.13 | tiss | so is this cssu-thumb the real deal? |
| 19:07.25 | tiss | i mean swappolube didn't do much for me at least |
| 19:07.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 19:07.28 | KotCzarny | yup, few megs of ram more to play |
| 19:07.58 | KotCzarny | but should be treated as 'testing' |
| 19:08.00 | tiss | yeah i dont understand the technicalities of it but i'll give it a shot |
| 19:08.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-thumb is *one* way to go ahead, though this particular one has some intrications you should be aware of |
| 19:08.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure not recommended for 'noobs' |
| 19:08.34 | tiss | yeah like it cant run normal stuff right? |
| 19:08.39 | KotCzarny | you can |
| 19:08.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | it can run normal stuff, but you can't run the whole system on a stock kernel |
| 19:09.31 | tiss | yeah i know its not for noobs but i never listen to that kind of warnings |
| 19:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | which has quite nasty little implications to watch out for, during backup/restore and reflashing |
| 19:09.52 | KotCzarny | tiss: but if you just flashed its the perfect time to try it out |
| 19:10.06 | tiss | whats that about implications |
| 19:10.21 | KotCzarny | as long you flash thumb enabled kernel you are fine |
| 19:10.32 | KotCzarny | which means either cssu kernel or powerkernel |
| 19:10.39 | KotCzarny | just not the stock one |
| 19:11.08 | tiss | so first things first |
| 19:11.16 | KotCzarny | 1/ install cssu |
| 19:11.20 | KotCzarny | 2/ go cssu-thumb |
| 19:11.28 | KotCzarny | but going straight to 2 might work too |
| 19:11.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | for example you reflash your device to recover from a broken kernel or whatever. Now you hope you can use the apps that were not touched by the COMBINEd replash in /home. You can't since they might be thumb binaries which give you an unbootable system |
| 19:11.58 | KotCzarny | ~csssu-thumb |
| 19:11.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | COMBINED reflash* |
| 19:12.04 | KotCzarny | ~cssu-thumb |
| 19:12.04 | infobot | cssu-thumb is probably <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb |
| 19:12.28 | tiss | now just hole up |
| 19:12.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're maybe better off with: |
| 19:13.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 19:13.01 | infobot | jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 19:13.05 | tiss | so if i install thumb then reflashing may be difficult? |
| 19:13.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | for first steps |
| 19:13.10 | KotCzarny | tiss: nope |
| 19:13.16 | KotCzarny | reflash always works |
| 19:13.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | than with this 'perfect setup' |
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| 19:14.01 | KotCzarny | he was talking about this scenario: cssu-thumb -> backup menu backup -> reflash with stock -> backup menu restore will fail |
| 19:14.02 | tiss | ah alright now i get it |
| 19:14.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiss: yes, exactly. reflashing is rather a sure way to get a broken system, after you went to cssu-thumb |
| 19:14.20 | tiss | wait now i dont get it again |
| 19:14.23 | KotCzarny | but if you flash thumb enabled kernel as a first thing after reflash its ok |
| 19:15.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can reflash your complete system and thus return to stock maemo. reflashing only COMBINED will break a thumb system |
| 19:15.17 | tiss | yeah i can live with that |
| 19:16.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway you can go stock/CSSU -> thumb any time. So no hurries and no complications in an early stage of making friends with maemo (again) |
| 19:16.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | is what I'd recommend |
| 19:17.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW you don't need thumb to be happy with your N900 |
| 19:17.18 | tiss | well i go ham and go ahead with the thumb thing |
| 19:17.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not a decision you need to do on day1 |
| 19:18.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *strongly* suggest to first go for cssu-testing or even cssu-stable first and then use this setup for a few weeks before you go thumb |
| 19:18.50 | tiss | i always went with stable before |
| 19:18.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's enough to tweak and customize before you might consider using thimb to tune your device a bit more |
| 19:19.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | let me put it this way: when you buy a new car, it's not the N2O injection you retrofit first |
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| 19:23.15 | tiss | anyway is there a noticeable difference in using thumb vs normal cssu |
| 19:23.28 | KotCzarny | yes, as i said, more free ram |
| 19:23.35 | tiss | is it hecking snappy as heck then? |
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| 19:23.44 | KotCzarny | nah |
| 19:24.09 | KotCzarny | 256M gets eaten by preloaded things quite wholly |
| 19:24.24 | tiss | so you'll be able to open more windows at once then |
| 19:25.08 | tiss | thats basically what its about then? |
| 19:25.18 | KotCzarny | diska space/ram |
| 19:25.46 | KotCzarny | but if you start opening windows it will go into swappyland anyway |
| 19:26.10 | KotCzarny | still, having 10-20M of free ram doesnt hurt, right? |
| 19:26.44 | tiss | im inclined to answer "right" |
| 19:27.33 | KotCzarny | also, disabling few things that you dont use in the system also helps |
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| 19:28.56 | tiss | i guess i'll go with testing or the time being, seeing its got the lastest updates and all |
| 19:29.00 | tiss | *for |
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| 19:31.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiss: no, the thumb advantages are noticeable but not fundamental |
| 19:32.48 | KotCzarny | tiss: this is my version of 'perfect' setup: https://wiki.maemo.org/Slimming_OS |
| 19:32.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | you shouldn't notice any difference between CSSU-testing and CSSU-thumb, except for an occasional speed advantage |
| 19:33.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | the device will enter swap hell a tad later, thanks to thumb binaries being smaller and thus eating less RAM |
| 19:34.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | so basically thumb is like adding another 25% of RAM |
| 19:34.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | loading executables from flash might also speed up slightly since you got less data to read in |
| 19:36.08 | tiss | well heck |
| 19:36.11 | tiss | maybe ill toss a coin |
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| 19:36.23 | tiss | heads for testing tails for thumbing |
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| 19:36.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should NOT go for thumb right away. You can do this any time later |
| 19:36.48 | tiss | well i got heads anyway |
| 19:37.00 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 19:37.24 | KotCzarny | you will be able to compare memory/speed then when you decide going thumb |
| 19:38.31 | Sicelo | i didn't see much difference myself, but then, my N900 has 5 year-old cruft. otoh, i do think thumb is worth it |
| 19:39.34 | KotCzarny | yup, we would get much more if we could disable parts of the os |
| 19:39.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders if BM could simply save the needed files, and trigger a dpkg -i $recent_kernel_package after restore |
| 19:40.18 | KotCzarny | its nice to have mail client preloaded, but what if one never used/uses it? 10M eaten senselessly |
| 19:40.33 | tissi | thats a lot of libqtm packages |
| 19:41.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: thumb is worth it for sure (though I don't use it simply because of what I mentioned above) - however it's _not_ recommended for day1 |
| 19:41.42 | Sicelo | of course. agreed |
| 19:42.20 | Sicelo | tissi doesn't sound too new otoh. not saying he must :) |
| 19:43.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, he's dealing with "https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_The_Perfect_Setup#Initial_Firmware_Setup |
| 19:43.13 | tissi | yeah i had this device for years |
| 19:43.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | she? |
| 19:43.20 | tissi | never became much of a pro though |
| 19:43.45 | tissi | n900 headphone jack crapped out on me so i returned to this device |
| 19:43.49 | tissi | *n9 |
| 19:43.57 | KotCzarny | oh, audio user? |
| 19:44.18 | KotCzarny | might i interest you in my audio player for n900? |
| 19:44.22 | tissi | more like audio listener |
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| 19:44.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing-cmdline |
| 19:44.28 | infobot | flashing-cmdline is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:12 |
| 19:44.30 | tissi | im aware of oscp if thats where you're going |
| 19:44.43 | KotCzarny | yes, what do you think of it? |
| 19:45.30 | tissi | maybe its because prior to flashing n900 just now everything was all over the place and not working quite right |
| 19:45.36 | tissi | so oscp also didnt function perfectly |
| 19:45.45 | tissi | playback would stop after track finishes |
| 19:45.51 | tissi | so i had to manually select next track every time |
| 19:45.57 | tissi | i think i told you of this issue earlier |
| 19:46.04 | KotCzarny | which version? |
| 19:46.12 | tissi | donatello / salamisami if you remember |
| 19:46.21 | KotCzarny | i think i was fixing it at some point |
| 19:46.22 | tissi | im pretty sure it was the latest |
| 19:46.33 | tissi | well not 100% sure but anyway |
| 19:46.57 | tissi | i ended up deciding to flash the thing actually because for some reason the n900 would freeze and reboot itself after a while of playing music |
| 19:47.02 | KotCzarny | could be also that i've fixed it on pc and forgot to make a package |
| 19:48.07 | KotCzarny | 29-Nov-2015 |
| 19:48.08 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 19:48.20 | tissi | im not sure if i had the latest version |
| 19:48.21 | KotCzarny | definitely i should make a package |
| 19:48.31 | tissi | or maybe i did heck i dont remember when i last used oscp |
| 19:49.08 | KotCzarny | i moved my audio playing tasks from n900 to banana pi last year |
| 19:49.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:49.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | for those who didn't notice: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/latest.log.html#t2016-04-15T22:04:31 |
| 19:49.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: congrats and kusos |
| 19:49.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | kudos even |
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| 19:57.48 | tissi | anyone got any wack ass boot videos? |
| 19:58.15 | tissi | something really obnoxiously "h4ck3r" would be swell |
| 19:58.45 | Sicelo | Don't Panic |
| 19:58.46 | tissi | or alternatively something like drake's hotline bling |
| 19:58.55 | Sicelo | but most of us remove it completely |
| 19:59.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | tissi: DONT PANIC! |
| 19:59.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 19:59.26 | infobot | hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 19:59.39 | tissi | http://www.quadronyx.org/mirror/maemo/boot_videos/killer.avi rofl |
| 20:00.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | (dont panic) I *think* somebody even packaged it |
| 20:01.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/dontpanic/ |
| 20:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/bootvideo-DONTPANIC/ |
| 20:03.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/bootvideo-DONTPANIC/dontpanic.avi |
| 20:05.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | tissi: you should bookmark http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 20:05.45 | tissi | alright |
| 20:05.52 | tissi | well i settled with just disabling the hands video |
| 20:06.07 | tissi | for now |
| 20:06.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 20:06.38 | tissi | zx tape loader was cool but 24 seconds? come on |
| 20:07.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | had DONT PANIC even on GTA02 :-) |
| 20:07.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | bootloader splashscreen |
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| 20:25.35 | tissi | so which kernel do i install now |
| 20:25.44 | tissi | wont be going for thumb yet |
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| 20:27.02 | tissi | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/kernel-power-flasher/ this one best? |
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| 20:29.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 20:30.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 20:31.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't want to install the overclocking stuff (UI) |
| 20:31.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly |
| 20:36.17 | tissi | nah i've done it before had no problems with it |
| 20:36.33 | tissi | my device can certainly handle 720mhz just fine |
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| 20:40.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it can |
| 20:40.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | just it's basically useless |
| 20:41.18 | tissi | how so? |
| 20:41.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~720/600 |
| 20:41.19 | infobot | 1.2 |
| 20:41.31 | tissi | well how about 850? |
| 20:41.46 | tissi | btw isnt it just fine to set the min clock to 125 s well |
| 20:42.03 | tissi | since it'll automatically scale and all or what? |
| 20:43.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a known fact that speed improvements in UIs only get really noticed when in the range of factor 2 or higher, and a factor 1.2 is probably not even noticeable when you tell the tester that there is some speed difference they should look for |
| 20:44.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | 125 is considered instable, and you don't really need it anywaqy since maemo has a run-to-idle general approach |
| 20:45.19 | tissi | okay okay |
| 20:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | you best don't assume Nokia had a funny idea of arbitrarily limiting the performance of the device without reason |
| 20:45.29 | tissi | but undervolting is still smart? |
| 20:45.58 | tissi | didn't some samsung phone basically have the identical cpu as n900 |
| 20:46.06 | tissi | but clocked higher to 800-something |
| 20:46.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are lots of devices that "have the same CPU *basically*" |
| 20:46.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | TI procuses lots of chip flavors, and they get even binned after production |
| 20:47.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia for sure didn't buy same binning of the SoC like Samsung did |
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| 20:48.29 | tissi | still, undervolting = good and smart as advised by https://wiki.maemo.org/Overclocking#Undervolting |
| 20:48.36 | tissi | right? |
| 20:48.50 | tissi | for sure its fine |
| 20:49.04 | tissi | less voltage could never hurt things |
| 20:49.11 | tissi | yeah i'll go ahead and do that |
| 20:49.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia just might have ordered another operation-time-to-failure than Samsung, since they want their devices to live longer or shorter than Samsung |
| 20:50.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | undervolting is just begging for less stability |
| 20:50.22 | tissi | oh looks like its already enabled by default by the power kernel v53 |
| 20:50.36 | tissi | at least both the smartreflex vdd values are already 1 |
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| 20:53.11 | kerio | smartreflex is not undervolting |
| 20:53.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 doesn't need user configuration of basic system parameters. It's supposed to ship with proven good values, either in stock kernel (takes care of some more fringe cases) or in powerkernel which got tested by a lot of people and has a setting considered optimized as long as you're not a hardcore hacker trying to test some new leete fringe case |
| 20:54.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | smartreflex been tagged "non-stable" by Nokia and TI devels in the N900 prototypes. Maybe meanwhile it usually works on the newer silicon in series devices |
| 20:55.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~sr |
| 20:55.29 | infobot | [SmartReflex] >>Again, TI and we [Nokia] couldn't fix SmartReflex - we say memory corruption in front of our own eyes with that enabled, so we had to ship that disabled.<< |
| 20:56.41 | tissi | hey by the btw way is there still any browser nicer than the default nokia web browser? |
| 20:57.48 | Sicelo009N | ceene has found Midori through Easy Debian to work very well for his needs |
| 20:58.11 | Sicelo009N | i still use MicroB. others prefer Opera Mini (I removed it) |
| 20:58.20 | tissi | what about that one |
| 20:58.34 | tissi | looked like microb |
| 20:58.37 | tissi | but was new |
| 20:58.44 | tissi | cant remember the name |
| 20:59.01 | Sicelo009N | qml-browser? no comment .. didn't work well for me |
| 21:00.27 | tissi | yeah qml browser |
| 21:00.30 | tissi | yeah didnt work for me either |
| 21:00.36 | tissi | was wondering if there was any progress |
| 21:01.16 | Sicelo009N | i use fennec at times |
| 21:01.51 | tissi | too cumbersome |
| 21:01.55 | tissi | imho |
| 21:01.56 | Sicelo009N | tbh, midori does work better as ceene mentions. |
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| 21:04.58 | Maxdamantus | Note that Opera Mini does everything through Opera's rendering proxies. |
| 21:05.17 | Maxdamantus | (Opera Mobile doesn't though) |
| 21:05.30 | Maxdamantus | well, I think there's an option to do it there. |
| 21:05.50 | Linkandzelda | is there any other better irc client than xchat? |
| 21:06.05 | Sicelo009N | uses irssi |
| 21:06.18 | Maxdamantus | does too. |
| 21:06.28 | Linkandzelda | i wanted to use weechat |
| 21:06.30 | Sicelo009N | opera mobile does too if you activate Turbo mode .. |
| 21:06.35 | Maxdamantus | though a simple answer would be: HexChat. |
| 21:06.43 | Sicelo009N | Linkandzelda: check repos, or build :) |
| 21:06.48 | Maxdamantus | XChat was abandoned a number of years ago and forked into HexChat. |
| 21:06.55 | Maxdamantus | because the maintainer became unresponsive. |
| 21:07.06 | Sicelo009N | i build my irssi for my own perl needs |
| 21:07.07 | Linkandzelda | well there's no hexchat for n900 right? |
| 21:07.43 | Maxdamantus | Dunno, but it shouldn't be hard to compile it. |
| 21:08.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-04-10 Sun 20:36:01] <ceene> a 2020 website won't even fit on our ram, however [2016-04-10 Sun 20:36:12] <ceene> so it won't mind much at all |
| 21:08.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-04-10 Sun 20:37:15] <DocScrutinizer05> in 2020 I probably stopped using web, that's an insane development in a number of aspects and I don't want to participate in such insanity [2016-04-10 Sun 20:38:29] <DocScrutinizer05> when it's more lightweight to run VNC to a web rendering server than to use plain HTML, something went massively wrong on a design and architecture level |
| 21:08.24 | Maxdamantus | If it's similar to XChat it should have fairly standard dependencies (glib, gtc, etc) |
| 21:08.31 | Maxdamantus | s/gtc\>/gtk/ |
| 21:08.32 | tissi | how can i delete all the preset internet radio stations |
| 21:08.38 | tissi | the fast way i mean |
| 21:09.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Linkandzelda: there's xchat |
| 21:09.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah you asked for a better client than xchat |
| 21:10.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly depends on your definition of "better" |
| 21:10.42 | Linkandzelda | well xchat does the job really, its just pretty cluttered with the ui |
| 21:11.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, adjust it. I agree the default settings are massively useless |
| 21:11.40 | Linkandzelda | is there a command i can send in the terminal to give a notification to the system? like the ones that show up when you get an sms |
| 21:11.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ |
| 21:11.57 | Linkandzelda | as for adjusting it, i removed a lot of stuff from it so its much better |
| 21:12.02 | Sicelo009N | dbus-foo .. |
| 21:12.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~phonecontrol |
| 21:12.17 | infobot | i heard phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control |
| 21:12.19 | Sicelo009N | but phone-control package makes it easier |
| 21:12.39 | Linkandzelda | nice |
| 21:12.50 | Linkandzelda | i could try to get weechat to send notifications |
| 21:15.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could try if my settings and 'hacks' with xchat please you better |
| 21:15.59 | tissi | im still kinda miffed about the camera being unable to launch without the magnet in the back cover |
| 21:16.16 | tissi | i already bought one new backcover but the magnet fell off or something |
| 21:16.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/notify.sh http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/loginhost.xsh http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/xchat.conf |
| 21:16.36 | tissi | so cant use the camera... because no magnet even though the camera module itself is just fine |
| 21:16.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course the keybindings too |
| 21:17.16 | Linkandzelda | DocScrutinizer05: going to check those out, thanks |
| 21:17.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | tissi: how about just getting a new magnet in place? |
| 21:18.03 | tissi | well i would need to do that |
| 21:18.27 | tissi | so i havent done it |
| 21:18.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, the self-fixer in maemo is out of order ;-) |
| 21:19.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are hacked kernel modules that assume magnet always there |
| 21:22.40 | Linkandzelda | is the config files in .xchat2? |
| 21:23.13 | Maxdamantus | Why hack the kernel? It should be a matter of hacking something in userspace. |
| 21:23.16 | Maxdamantus | Probably camera-ui. |
| 21:23.57 | Maxdamantus | though you don't even need a magnet. |
| 21:25.29 | tissi | hacker kernel modules you say |
| 21:25.58 | Linkandzelda | i noticed when i had my back off when i put it down the camera opened... could be useful? |
| 21:26.11 | Maxdamantus | made a modified omap_hsmmc so it wouldn't make the SD card inaccessible when the back cover was removed. |
| 21:31.47 | Linkandzelda | DocScrutinizer05: how do i use this notify.sh? |
| 21:32.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | place it into the .xchat2(?) folder |
| 21:33.10 | Linkandzelda | ok, did that |
| 21:33.18 | Linkandzelda | wondered if there is any other step |
| 21:33.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/xchat.conf >> sound_command = /home/user/.xchat2/notify.sh << |
| 21:33.41 | Linkandzelda | ah |
| 21:33.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 21:35.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty convenient yet simple hack |
| 21:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could even make notify.sh do different actions based on the (soundfile) parameter passed to it by xchat |
| 21:37.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | most of this is completely transparent to xchat and can get set up via xchat's setting GUI |
| 21:38.11 | tissi | what was the package to watch .mkv videos and other stuff |
| 21:38.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | gstreamer-plugins-ultranasty ? |
| 21:39.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 21:39.50 | tissi | oh heck |
| 21:40.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have no clue |
| 21:40.30 | Linkandzelda | cant get it to play for some reason, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 21:40.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, check permissions |
| 21:40.52 | Linkandzelda | i gave it +x |
| 21:41.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | chmod a+x ~/.xchat2/notify.sh |
| 21:41.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ll ~user/.xchat2/ |
| 21:42.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | insgesamt 60 |
| 21:42.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw------- 1 user users 186 2016-02-02 15:04 chanopt.conf |
| 21:42.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw------- 1 user users 1065 2015-11-22 22:36 colors.conf |
| 21:42.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw------- 1 user users 0 2016-02-02 15:04 ignore.conf |
| 21:42.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw------- 1 user users 1003 2011-09-20 19:28 keybindings.conf |
| 21:42.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw------- 1 user users 0 2016-02-02 15:04 notify.conf |
| 21:42.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rwxr--r-- 1 user users 180 2009-12-18 15:42 notify.sh |
| 21:42.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw------- 1 user users 10714 2010-07-16 01:51 pevents.conf |
| 21:42.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | drwxr-xr-x 8 user users 4096 2015-09-04 23:45 scrollback |
| 21:42.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw------- 1 user users 9135 2016-01-19 21:57 servlist_.conf |
| 21:42.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw------- 1 user users 400 2016-02-02 15:04 sound.conf |
| 21:42.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw------- 1 user users 0 2009-12-13 05:45 sound.confback |
| 21:42.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw------- 1 user users 3632 2016-02-02 15:04 xchat.conf |
| 21:42.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw------- 1 user users 121 2012-12-20 15:07 xchat-login.xsh |
| 21:42.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | drwx------ 2 user users 4096 2011-03-10 02:37 xchatlogs |
| 21:42.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need sound.conf of course |
| 21:42.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | or do it via xchat settings |
| 21:43.09 | tissi | huh looks like the camera doesnt respond even with my strongest fridge magnet |
| 21:43.14 | tissi | well screw that |
| 21:43.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/43664105 |
| 21:43.40 | tissi | would just use it to take pics of myself and become more self conscious anyway |
| 21:43.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | tissi: you don't need extremely stron magnets |
| 21:44.10 | tissi | well fridge magnets arent exactly extremely strong |
| 21:44.21 | tissi | there's just zero response |
| 21:44.31 | Linkandzelda | DocScrutinizer05: i have sound.conf but its empty |
| 21:45.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | tissi: cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch |
| 21:46.45 | Linkandzelda | DocScrutinizer05: great colors btw |
| 21:47.25 | tissi | says closed |
| 21:47.42 | tissi | echoing "open" wouldnt work right? |
| 21:47.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | any magnet paced to the little 'pool' next to camera should do |
| 21:48.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | closed is what means "there's a magnet" |
| 21:48.35 | tissi | how can there be a magnet |
| 21:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | echoing anything into this sysnode doesn't work |
| 21:48.51 | tissi | when the back cover isnt even in place |
| 21:49.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | hw defect? |
| 21:49.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | Linkandzelda: you need some content in it ;-D |
| 21:49.18 | tissi | wait oh wait |
| 21:49.20 | tissi | it says open |
| 21:49.32 | tissi | but still the camera application says "open lens cover" |
| 21:49.56 | Linkandzelda | DocScrutinizer05: i figured, but i have no idea what |
| 21:50.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | use the settings GUI to define the events you want to cause a highlight&sound, and which |
| 21:50.28 | tissi | when i place the n900 on my desk |
| 21:50.35 | tissi | the camera actually functions |
| 21:50.45 | tissi | and when i take it off the application closes |
| 21:50.49 | tissi | but briefly i can see the camera image |
| 21:50.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/43664105 for a suggestion |
| 21:51.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | tissi: that's the infrared proxy sensor testing for black or white zone on the cam door slider |
| 21:52.13 | tissi | sooo... watnou |
| 21:52.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you got a new battery cover, it possibly lacks that paper sticker with the black and white zone |
| 21:53.08 | tissi | nah its there |
| 21:54.57 | tissi | hey, is there a way to check battery condition? |
| 21:55.10 | tissi | how much charge it can hold vs factory capacity |
| 21:57.23 | tissi | crap the battery fell out |
| 21:57.27 | tissi | time and date reset again |
| 21:57.42 | tissi | hey, automatic time update doesnt work |
| 21:57.49 | tissi | or do i need to have a simcard for that? |
| 21:58.01 | tissi | it wont pick the time from my wifi at least |
| 22:02.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<tissi> or do i need to have a simcard for that?)) yes |
| 22:02.37 | tissi | yeah i realized it after googling |
| 22:02.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you install ntpdate |
| 22:02.47 | tissi | maybe i should practice more self censorship |
| 22:03.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((hey, is there a way to check battery condition?)) |
| 22:03.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27 |
| 22:03.27 | infobot | bq27 is, like, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/ bq27*, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/ |
| 22:07.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | heck, I can't find the sysnode for cam door IR proxy |
| 22:08.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_shutter/state |
| 22:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | open|close as you'd expect |
| 22:09.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | tissi: ^^^ |
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| 22:13.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | tissi: closed is black, open is white. When your sensor doesn't detect white of your cover, then there's something pretty odd |
| 22:13.37 | tissi | sec |
| 22:13.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | the sensor however seems to be ok since it detects a table as white |
| 22:14.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | so something must be odd with your cover |
| 22:15.29 | tissi | cat returns closed |
| 22:15.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | since you said you got a replacement cover, I'd not be too surprised to find something odd with it |
| 22:15.44 | tissi | hey it was supposedly german |
| 22:15.49 | tissi | superior german engineering man |
| 22:15.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | tz |
| 22:17.52 | tissi | gahh it stopped working again |
| 22:17.57 | Linkandzelda | DocScrutinizer05: sounds working, thanks :) |
| 22:17.57 | tissi | now it wont detect table |
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| 22:19.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20160416_003.jpg |
| 22:19.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | you shouldn't test with table |
| 22:20.05 | tissi | yeah it looks 100% like that |
| 22:20.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw you also see the backside of the magnet there |
| 22:20.41 | tissi | wait now it detects again |
| 22:20.48 | tissi | wheres the magnet exactly |
| 22:21.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | the wide rectangle right side attached to that vertical bar |
| 22:22.25 | tissi | i still dont get it |
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| 22:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | please do http://paste.opensuse.org/20286135 |
| 22:26.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | cya, afk for dinner etc |
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| 22:30.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | even better: watch -n 0,2 -d cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_shutter/state |
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| 22:33.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | even better yet: watch -n 0,2 -d cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_shutter/state /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch |
| 22:34.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | use a magnet to make second one read "closed" then try what happens when you slide open the cam shutter |
| 22:35.03 | tissi | invalid number |
| 22:35.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | any normal magnet should suffice for that, in a distance lower than 1cm |
| 22:35.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ummm |
| 22:35.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | try 0.2 instead 0,2 |
| 22:35.41 | tissi | tried, same |
| 22:36.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe that's my special version of watch whioch I pimped to use fractions of a second. Use -n 1 that works |
| 22:37.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah yours is messybox watch applet, which again is |
| 22:37.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox |
| 22:37.32 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, diff as used by mc...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 22:38.23 | tissi | instead of a recursive list of "closed" "open" the screen just flashes two instances of either and refreshes |
| 22:38.47 | tissi | oh thats the idea |
| 22:39.22 | tissi | both read "closed" by default... |
| 22:39.38 | tissi | putting a magnet near does nothing |
| 22:40.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | both closed sounds OK, should be a magnet there |
| 22:40.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | remove cover, watch it go "open" |
| 22:41.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | first is cam door, second is magnet |
| 22:41.35 | tissi | opening cover doesnt do anything |
| 22:41.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | magnet needs to be closed, cam door should be open/closed depending on... cam door |
| 22:41.36 | tissi | nor does bringing magnet close |
| 22:41.57 | tissi | cant get the readings to change |
| 22:42.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's pretty strange |
| 22:42.26 | tissi | yeah im confused |
| 22:42.32 | tissi | but thats by default |
| 22:42.33 | Sicelo009N | hw defect? my 2nd N900 has hw defect preventing it from detecting mmc |
| 22:42.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but usually you get a always-open then, I'd guess |
| 22:43.01 | tissi | removing th back cover of the n900 entirely does change the second one to open |
| 22:43.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I told you to do that, didn't I? |
| 22:43.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | so your cover has a magnet and the sensor works great |
| 22:43.44 | tissi | aaand putting the device on table changes both to open |
| 22:43.54 | tissi | i thought you were telling me about the lens cover |
| 22:44.09 | tissi | wait so wheres the problem then |
| 22:44.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-04-16 Sat 00:40:40] <DocScrutinizer05> remove cover, watch it go "open" |
| 22:44.43 | tissi | yeah yeah i thought you meant lens cover |
| 22:44.54 | tissi | not battery cover |
| 22:45.07 | tissi | oh heck the battery fell out again |
| 22:45.17 | Sicelo009N | :) |
| 22:45.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | put on cover, slide open cam door, watch it go "open closed" |
| 22:45.30 | Sicelo009N | sorry. it is rather loose |
| 22:45.42 | tissi | no problem i forgive you |
| 22:45.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | bend springs in a bit so it sticks firmly |
| 22:46.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | really easy |
| 22:46.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | the steel springs at bottom end of battery |
| 22:46.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | use fingernail, no tools |
| 22:46.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | gently pull it a bit out |
| 22:47.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are two of those latches |
| 22:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | away now for good. When you still don't see camera coming up a few seconds after "open closed", you got an issue with the camera app or DSP |
| 22:48.49 | tissi | <DocScrutinizer05> put on cover, slide open cam door, watch it go "open closed" |
| 22:49.07 | tissi | cam door opening doesnt change anything |
| 22:49.10 | tissi | thanks for your help though |
| 22:49.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | when cam door opening doesn't change anything, your 'white' isn't |
| 22:49.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | check your cover |
| 22:50.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | the white area on cam door |
| 22:50.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not really white then, evidently |
| 22:50.36 | tissi | yeah its more like grey |
| 22:50.52 | tissi | or bluish hue |
| 22:51.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | bueish is bad for infrared light I guess |
| 22:51.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | stick some white paer there |
| 22:51.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | paper |
| 22:51.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | or white stickytape |
| 22:52.28 | tissi | ok |
| 22:53.53 | tissi | w0000t |
| 22:53.54 | tissi | it worked |
| 22:53.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 22:54.08 | tissi | damn |
| 22:54.15 | tissi | thanks a ton |
| 22:54.20 | tissi | your food's getting cold tho |
| 22:54.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's hardly anything I can't fix, usually even remote ;-P |
| 22:54.42 | tissi | you're my hero |
| 22:56.24 | tissi | damn now i have a 100% functioning n900 |
| 22:56.45 | Linkandzelda | seems my battery isnt improving, its got good standby time though (tte: 6-9k) when idling with no apps. when turned on though, tte: 150-300. guess i'll try to reflash and hope it changed something |
| 22:57.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | first calibrate |
| 22:57.44 | Linkandzelda | did that |
| 22:57.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's LMD now? |
| 22:58.08 | Linkandzelda | Last Measured Discharge: 1635 mAh |
| 22:58.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | off |
| 22:58.21 | Linkandzelda | what should it be? |
| 22:58.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | calibration adjusts only 12% or sth, you need to repeat calibration until it settles to ~1200 |
| 22:58.56 | Linkandzelda | i see |
| 22:59.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | resp settles, no matter where |
| 22:59.11 | Linkandzelda | and is there any chance the battery itself is just old? |
| 22:59.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 22:59.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas the meter resets each time you remove battery |
| 23:00.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes sense since new battery might be a different one |
| 23:00.29 | Linkandzelda | any way to tell with the data this script puts out? if its the battery itself? |
| 23:00.52 | tissi | whats with the new camera application that came with the cssu |
| 23:01.00 | tissi | how do i take video |
| 23:01.05 | tissi | also the focus is a bit off |
| 23:01.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, you could monitor a charging from empty battery with a bq27200.sh 60 >batlog.txt |
| 23:01.27 | tissi | oh the controls are a bit different |
| 23:01.30 | tissi | found video |
| 23:02.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you're done (battery fully charged) provide the batlog.txt and I can tell you details |
| 23:02.31 | Linkandzelda | ok, i will let it die until it turns itself off |
| 23:02.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 23:03.10 | Linkandzelda | then i'll plug in, boot, ssh, run script, and let it charge while idling and screen off |
| 23:03.25 | Linkandzelda | for however long it takes |
| 23:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | already start bq27200.sh 60 >>batlog.txt, then start it again after plugging to charger |
| 23:03.39 | Linkandzelda | ok |
| 23:03.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | note the double >> |
| 23:03.57 | Linkandzelda | yea, append iirc |
| 23:04.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 23:04.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can even run this in a second shell, while other shell does calibrate |
| 23:05.13 | Linkandzelda | E: Couldn't find package tmux |
| 23:05.15 | Linkandzelda | aww |
| 23:05.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | tmux?? |
| 23:05.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 23:05.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 23:06.03 | Linkandzelda | its the lazy mans "cant be bothered to open a second window" |
| 23:06.17 | Linkandzelda | and does a really good job at it |
| 23:06.31 | Linkandzelda | but in this case, second window it is |
| 23:06.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yust run the job in background ;-) |
| 23:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.12 | Linkandzelda | ok that works |
| 23:07.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | stop it with kill % |
| 23:07.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 23:07.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | stop it with kill %% |
| 23:08.21 | Linkandzelda | running calibrate too |
| 23:08.29 | Linkandzelda | TTE: 3239 minutes |
| 23:08.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | or get it to foreground with fg |
| 23:08.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | background again with ^Z bg |
| 23:09.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | though that *sometimes* fails |
| 23:09.15 | Linkandzelda | since its outputting nothing to the terminal i can leave it in the bg |
| 23:09.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 23:09.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | now cheers for good |
| 23:10.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | check with jobs |
| 23:10.37 | Linkandzelda | guess i'll keep doing this cycle until it gets to that number for lmd |
| 23:11.14 | Linkandzelda | that system of fg and bg is missing a crucial thing |
| 23:11.23 | Linkandzelda | the ability to stop output from background processes |
| 23:11.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/1273034 |
| 23:12.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, linux shell lacks a means to change file handles when they are already opened |
| 23:12.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I guess that's linux at large |
| 23:17.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | the shell should use pipes for stdin, stdout, stderr ;-) I'm planning since long to have different fonts or colors for stdout and stderr |
| 23:20.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Linkandzelda: when the last LMD differs less that 12(?)% from previous LMD, it adjusted to the real value |
| 23:21.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually that 12% limit is deliberately implemented into bq27200 chip to avoid massive bogus LMD changes |
| 23:22.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | however from a log of bq27200.sh 60 you can read the actual measured LMD, rather than the limited/capped value that gets stored to the LMD register |
| 23:26.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Linkandzelda: when you first start calibrate-bq27k.sh *before you plug in the charger at end of day, you can run a calibration cycle each day, with minimal impact to battery wear |
| 23:28.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | calibrate-bq27k.sh will notice there's a valid discharge cycle (VDQ) and immediately turns off charger, so plugging in charger doesn't start charging until battery got discharged sufficiently for completing the learning cycle, then charging gets enabled like normal |
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| 23:38.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | you also might want to give bq27k-detail2.sh a try. It's my original design on which the rest is based. and it's the most verbose one |
| 23:38.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~battery-faq |
| 23:38.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~batteryfaq |
| 23:38.42 | infobot | i heard batteryfaq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers |
| 23:39.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#That_bq27000_chip_seems_to_be_pretty_cool.2C_how_can_i_read_and_understand_its_raw_registers.3F |
| 23:45.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | (calculate *real* LMD from log) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/n900-bq27log_til_empty.log - you simply subtract the value of NAC in last line before "VDQ:0 EDV1:1" (194) from NAC of start of discharge where RSOC=100 (1377), the result is _real_ LMD |
| 23:47.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~1377-194 |
| 23:47.33 | infobot | 1183 |
| 23:48.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | for you it prolly will look like 1833-655 |
| 23:50.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels tempted to massively improve http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh to do all that math plus optional logging like "bq27200.sh 60 >>batlog.txt", plus work with a nice GUI of sorts |
