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05:24.05azkayWhy is it so hard to find a smalllll fm receiver that DOESN'T need a microcontroller to use? ):
05:27.42azkayI got some cheapo chinese FM headphones, but the pcb inside is too big to use, booo
05:34.41ecc3gthose push to tune receivers using the *9088 tuner chips?
05:35.37ecc3gscary that SMT is still too big...
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08:47.18Siceloanyone here going to DebConf16?
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09:50.40HRH_H_Crabanyone here got debian running on their n900? i finally got it installed via: https://github.com/dderby/debian900
09:50.56HRH_H_Crabthings seem to be working really nicely so far, but im a bit stuck with audio.
09:51.16HRH_H_Crabi read something about speaker damage and pulseaudio and xprot but im not really sure what to make of that.
09:52.30Sicelothese days there are many more running alt.os on N900 :) Wizzup one of them .. maybe he can help you
09:54.12HRH_H_Crabi think my (glorious 4.0.0-rc1+) kernel comes from Pali
09:54.24HRH_H_Crabhe may well know.
09:54.37Sicelowhat doesn't he know ;)
09:54.41HRH_H_Crabi should look at his sources too
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10:41.47drathirHRH_H_Crab: alarm rulez...
11:01.08HRH_H_Crabdrathir: not sure what you mean?
11:01.34L29Ahнян
11:02.11Sicelohe means arch linux
11:03.50drathirijai?
11:04.57drathirL29Ah: szto eta?
11:05.45drathirHRH_H_Crab: Sicelo is correct https://archlinuxarm.org
11:09.31WizzupHRH_H_Crab: hi there
11:09.49WizzupI have gotten audio to work on 4.3 and 4.5 from Pali
11:09.59WizzupYou mostly just need to tweak a few ALSA settings
11:10.04WizzupI have them documented here somewhere...
11:10.23WizzupRight, see: http://sprunge.us/aPeU
11:10.36WizzupSpecifically the last two items are important
11:10.53Wizzup(just the volume change is not so important)
11:11.12WizzupHm, I recall there being more changes. Well, see if you can figure it out with this. If not, let me know
11:11.20WizzupYou can use amixer to dump the current config - that's how I made the diff
11:16.29L29Ahcan you make voice calls?
11:17.36WizzupL29Ah: for most usable purposes, no. pavelm managed to make some voice calls using mainline and ofono
11:17.44Wizzupbut I don't think it is "quite there" yet
11:17.49Wizzupsms and data seems to work on gentoo at least
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12:12.54HRH_H_Crabim getting lots of segfaults
12:12.59HRH_H_Crabmaybe i need a newer kernel
12:15.21Wizzupsegfaults in what
12:16.32HRH_H_Crabthings like installing mplayer / pulseaudio
12:17.32HRH_H_Crabanyway...
12:17.41HRH_H_Crabgonna rebuild the rootfs and use a newer kernel.
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12:21.20ceeneWizzup: what file is that patch for?
12:21.44Wizzupceene: it's not a patch, it's a diff for amixer output
12:21.49Wizzupso you can figure out what things to change in ALSA
12:22.07ceeneah!
12:22.10ceenewon't that break speakers?
12:22.54KotCzarnyjust add highpass filter to alsa ?
12:23.10KotCzarnyor just remember to use headphones
12:25.03Wizzupceene: if you play too loud, you might.
12:25.18WizzupI used speakers without problems for a bit, but I was very careful to not play too loud
12:26.02HRH_H_Crabhmmm.
12:26.39HRH_H_Crabi don't understand this "speaker breaking" issue. i was planning to use it a lot for audio but maybe i should knock that idea on the head and leave that to maemo.
12:27.28KotCzarnyonboard speakers cant handle too much displacement
12:27.38KotCzarny~xprot
12:27.39infobotrumour has it, xprot is http://wiki.maemo.org/Porting/Audio/Q_and_A_RE-PA and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91325
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12:36.19ceeneI've got a few things in a Notes file
12:36.27ceeneregarding kernel and rootfs build for n900
12:36.58ceenehttps://github.com/agamez/buildroot-N900 and https://github.com/agamez/buildroot-N900/blob/master/Notes
12:37.16ceenerecently updated with Wizzup's alsa details :)
12:38.33WizzupI have more notes that I plan to publish in a more usable form later
12:39.42ceenethat'd be cool
12:39.52ceenethose are just notes that I take while building the system
12:40.28Wizzup:)
12:40.30Wizzupsame here
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13:40.20DocScrutinizer05moin folks
13:43.50DocScrutinizer05Wizzup: (audio) \o/. How about a comprehensive amixer -c0>working.amixer-in
13:44.18DocScrutinizer05amixer -c1>>working.amixer-in
13:44.18WizzupThe problem is that I currently only have a working mixer. So I'd have to save that, reset to default state, and do that
13:44.31WizzupI can do that in a bit. But I want to double verify that it works >>atm<<
13:44.39Wizzupand I need to do some work first
13:44.46DocScrutinizer05np
13:46.09DocScrutinizer05working mixer is better than non-working mixer anyway - even for setting same stuff on other devices. You don't need to know what been wrong before
13:51.01DocScrutinizer05amixer is a tiny bit braindamaged in that it can't take own output for STDIN. Use `alsactl -f working.alsactl 0 store`
13:51.39DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/5135500
13:52.35DocScrutinizer05^^^ is standard fremantle, incl frigiin PA over ALSA
13:52.40DocScrutinizer05while idle
13:53.25DocScrutinizer05`alsactl -f working.alsactl 0 restore` does exactly what it says
13:55.01DocScrutinizer05note the REstore
13:55.21DocScrutinizer05which is inverse to store
13:57.25DocScrutinizer05doesn't know if fremantle has the pretty much default `alsactl restore` (without -f, so it uses the defualt config file) in boot
14:00.18DocScrutinizer05>>/var/lib/alsa/asound.state (or whatever file you specify with the -f flag) is used to store current settings for your soundcards.<<
14:00.26DocScrutinizer05> /etc/rc0.d/K50alsa-utils:               alsactl -F restore $CARD >/dev/null 2>&1
14:03.16DocScrutinizer05wow what a monster:  http://paste.opensuse.org/57226342
14:11.34DocScrutinizer05and pretty weird on maemo too. anyway I don't have a /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
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17:07.41Linkandzeldahi, so i just picked up an n900. i havent had one since 2010. seems the nokia repos and ovi repos are no longer working? is there a replacement?
17:08.36KotCzarny~maemo-repos
17:08.36infobotit has been said that maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
17:08.59KotCzarnybut those are mostly for reinstalling user induced b0rkages
17:09.09KotCzarnyovi store is no more too
17:09.34Siceloovi repos are mirrored on maemo-repos.com afaik
17:10.12Linkandzeldai see
17:10.14Linkandzeldathanks
17:10.24KotCzarnyif you need reflashing then:
17:10.26KotCzarny~flashing
17:10.27infobotit has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline
17:10.34KotCzarnygrab the script, unpack and run
17:10.50KotCzarnyit will fetch needed files on the go
17:11.12Linkandzeldathanks, though i already managed to kill an image today and just reflashed about 30 mins ago :)
17:11.19KotCzarny:)
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17:39.33Linkandzeldaone other thing, does maemo have a chance of getting vsync or a screen tear fix?
17:40.13Sicelorestart :)
17:40.16Siceloyou have that?
17:41.00Linkandzeldai have screen tearing yea. im about to install cssu and see if it resolves it
17:41.25KotCzarnyhmm, the last person to hack around vsync was ssvb in ~2009
17:41.33KotCzarnyi might be wrong tho
17:41.51Linkandzeldasurprising that nobody else attempted it since
17:42.20Linkandzeldathough funny thing, i dont remember it back in 2010, maybe i didnt notice
17:44.32Siceloi've had it only 3 times in 5 years of daily N900 use
17:45.43Linkandzeldainteresting
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20:30.52Linkandzeldai have a small issue with the application manager. it takes about 5 mins to open and display the categories. then after i install an app it does the same thing and takes 30-40 seconds to show the old list before i can install another app. is there a way to speed that up?
20:51.46sixwheeledbeastLinkandzelda: not really
20:51.49sixwheeledbeast~ham
20:51.49infobotham is, like, Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham
20:52.35sixwheeledbeastthere is speedyham but that is a testing thing at the moment
20:58.18Linkandzeldai just found fam, much better!
20:58.34Sicelomuch worse
20:58.43Linkandzeldahow is it worse?
20:58.45Sicelofam
20:58.55Sicelo~fam
20:58.56infobot[fapman] Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam
20:59.21Linkandzeldadamn
20:59.28Linkandzeldai should get with the times
20:59.57Siceloeither be patient enough with ham, or just get speedyham instead
21:00.18Linkandzeldais there like a 2015/2016 guide to the n900 with all current stuff in it that i can follow so i make no mistakes?
21:00.47Sicelotbh, i use apt 99% of the time, but, i am not saying you should
21:03.19Linkandzeldai would, but right now i just wanted an easy way to get the name and description of all available packages so i get what looks interesting
21:04.16Siceloapt-cache search quicker for that, and absolutely safe, of course
21:05.22Linkandzeldaguess i'll check out speedyham, failing that apt-cache
21:05.36Linkandzelda~speedyHAM
21:05.36infobotSpeedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb.  SpeedyHAM is included in CSSU-testing now
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21:05.52Linkandzeldais there a place i can read all commands this bot offers?
21:08.53Sicelodunno :)
21:09.13Siceloap-cache search will be faster than any gui package manager fwiw
21:09.19Sicelo*apt
21:11.16SiceloLinkandzelda: there's the wiki to help you with current know working stuff .. but as you can realize .. commuinity effort, and some stuff therefore may not be always up to date there. asking here on IRC or tmo will usually result in quick responses, depending on time of day
21:11.37Siceloand our greatest devs also can be found at both places
21:12.39Linkandzeldasweet
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21:52.55LinkandzeldaSicelo: are you a dev?
22:02.06DocScrutinizer05~tell Linkandzelda about jrtools
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22:20.27sixwheeledbeast~listkeys #maemo
22:21.25sixwheeledbeastI doubt random factoids will help
22:21.41DocScrutinizer05~+help
22:22.05DocScrutinizer05~searchvalues maemo.org
22:22.14ds3y is at http:///
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22:22.27DocScrutinizer05~listvalues maemo.org
22:22.28ds3where can i find y?
22:22.40DocScrutinizer05~where is y
22:22.40infobotDocScrutinizer05: what are you talking about?
22:22.46DocScrutinizer05~y
22:22.57DocScrutinizer05~listkeys y
22:23.22DocScrutinizer05~listkeys ^y$
22:23.31DocScrutinizer05~y is blabla
22:23.31infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay
22:23.35DocScrutinizer05~listkeys ^y$
22:23.45DocScrutinizer05~y
22:23.46infoboti heard y is blabla
22:23.50DocScrutinizer05~forget y
22:23.51infoboti forgot y, DocScrutinizer05
22:24.23DocScrutinizer05~botsnack
22:24.23infobotDocScrutinizer05: thanks
22:25.24DocScrutinizer05~forget (well everyone
22:25.24infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot (well everyone
22:25.53DocScrutinizer05~forget babelfish x to de: today
22:25.54infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot babelfish x to de: today
22:26.09DocScrutinizer05~forget btw., the man pages are the only documentation, or
22:26.09infoboti forgot btw., the man pages are the only documentation, or, DocScrutinizer05
22:26.34DocScrutinizer05~literal haha you
22:26.35infobotACTION beats you about the head with the ha ha bat
22:27.38DocScrutinizer05~literal only does it when s/
22:27.38infobot"only does it when s/" is "the first of the line?"
22:27.51DocScrutinizer05~lforget only does it when s/
22:27.57DocScrutinizer05~forget only does it when s/
22:27.57infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot only does it when s/
22:28.30azkayecc3g: Those kits are still too big, I need something that'll fit in headphones
22:28.41DocScrutinizer05o.O
22:28.57DocScrutinizer05sounds like hardware
22:29.05SiceloLinkandzelda: no, no dev. just hopeless user
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22:30.24azkayYeah I'm trying to find a small fm stereo receiver with analog volume that I don't need a microcontroller to use :P
22:30.32azkayThey're more uncommon than I thought
22:30.51azkayI think I'll just have to get a tiny microcontroller and get one of the controlled ones
22:31.27azkaymaybe sparkfun.com/products/retired/8770 + adafruit.com/products/1500
22:31.56DocScrutinizer05umm
22:32.14DocScrutinizer05why don't you slaughter a cheesy tiny FM radio?
22:32.52azkayHaven't found one small enough
22:32.56DocScrutinizer05they are as small as a quarter of a matchbox
22:33.08azkayI had a pair of cheapo chinese FM headphones, took the receiver out of those but they were still too big
22:33.33DocScrutinizer05I actually only know of I2C controlled chips, but that doesn't mean a thing, never searched for all-in-one chips
22:34.23DocScrutinizer05I bet there must be chips that have 4 lines for pushbuttons: freq+/- and vol+/-
22:34.48DocScrutinizer05van't be larger than 6mm^2
22:34.53DocScrutinizer05can't, even
22:35.33DocScrutinizer05you'll need some additional birdseed
22:38.00DocScrutinizer05FFS, digikey gives me error infinite redirect
22:40.05DocScrutinizer05http://search.silabs.com/search?q=FM%20receiver&site=english&client=silabs&proxystylesheet=silabs
22:40.45DocScrutinizer05azkay: ^^^
22:40.57DocScrutinizer05you might find a few useful chips there
22:43.08DocScrutinizer05http://pages.silabs.com/LP-ATDD-Radio.html
22:49.19DocScrutinizer05(additional birdseed) prolly as low as 3 to 5 components
22:51.55DocScrutinizer05Linkandzelda: you still around?
22:52.56DocScrutinizer05Linkandzelda: ~jrtools first 3 plus some paragraphs should get you started
22:53.04DocScrutinizer05plus, of course:
22:53.07DocScrutinizer05~flashing
22:53.08infobotmaemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline
22:53.22DocScrutinizer05~listkeys flashing
22:53.37DocScrutinizer05~flashing-cmdline
22:53.37infobotflashing-cmdline is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:12
22:54.19DocScrutinizer05~forget are we sure eflashing
22:54.20infoboti forgot are we sure eflashing, DocScrutinizer05
22:56.50DocScrutinizer05considers a fiasco that has automatic firstboot HTTP:// download for additional scripts
22:57.39DocScrutinizer05err combined of course
23:04.58azkayI seee
23:05.11azkayTheres also littlebirdelectronics.com.au/products/grove-fm-receiver but not sure if it's stereo
23:13.00DocScrutinizer05fist educated guess: http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/File:Grove_-_FM_Receiver_Photo.jpg looks like stereo (3pin) jack
23:13.08DocScrutinizer05first*
23:14.01DocScrutinizer05http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/images/7/70/Grove_-_FM_Receiver_v1.0_sch_pdf.pdf confirms that
23:14.50DocScrutinizer05that's prolly as good as it gets, nice design
23:15.57DocScrutinizer05azkay: nice find! :-)
23:17.46DocScrutinizer05http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/images/d/df/SX6119_%E6%94%B6%E9%9F%B3IC_datasheet.pdf  FFS! :-(
23:18.13azkayHaha yeah, nice english right? :P
23:18.17azkayMaybe I should risk it
23:20.42DocScrutinizer05anyway among all the gibberish: "2.0V to 3.6V"
23:21.10DocScrutinizer05you definitely should. if you want another source I just found http://digitalmeans.co.uk/shop/fm_receiver-grove
23:21.43DocScrutinizer05(2V 3V6) means you prolly can even kick out the LDO they got there
23:22.08DocScrutinizer05just run it from two AAAA or similar, or a CR2032
23:22.46DocScrutinizer05oooh, and /join #qi-hardware
23:22.51DocScrutinizer05sort of OT in here
23:24.05DocScrutinizer05and keep pin15 floating ;-)
23:25.19DocScrutinizer05you'll need an antenna instead of the headphone cable they use in that Grove design
23:26.21DocScrutinizer05well, actually you could use the wires to other side of your headphones for antenna too
23:27.48DocScrutinizer05mount the circuit left side, connect the GND wire from right side speaker via a bead to GND
23:28.22DocScrutinizer05have a sufficiently large GND plane (or wire) connected to circuit ground on left side
23:29.30DocScrutinizer05actually the Grove antenna circuit is rather pathetic
23:30.46DocScrutinizer05...given in your earphones' cable, GND and ROUT are parallel and very close together, and GND of earphones is connected to chip's GND without any bead
23:48.55azkayThanks for all the help :)
23:49.30azkayYeah I was planning on running an antenna through the top band of the headphones
23:49.49azkayWent back to my N900 just for the fm transmitter lol
23:51.02azkayAre you aware of anyone wiring up a different antenna to the n900? From the point here: wiki.maemo.org/images/b/b7/Nokia_N900_rear-internal-Hirose_u.fl_GSM_and_non_Hirose_u.fl_FM_transmitter_antenna_and_test_pads.png

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