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01:10.07Church-_Hey, anybody had any luck about getting newer versions of libc6 installed in maemo?
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01:25.00azkayDocScrutinizer05: What are you soldering?
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02:07.37DocScrutinizer05azkay: freemangordon: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20160408_002.jpg
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02:20.51DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: finally \o/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1503047
02:23.34DocScrutinizer05now next step of this operation: connect to TTL-232RG-VREG1V8-WE
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02:39.47azkay_Ahhh, good fun :P
02:40.12azkay_I try not to solder anything I'm going to be using anymore, everytime I do I end up getting it too hot and the contact pads come off the board
02:40.37azkay_But then again, I never buy the things I need to actually do it properly because I say I'll get them next time and never do
02:41.19azkay_So I end up holding things together with one hand while soldering and powering through the radiating heat that's heading to my fingers, then get upset when the solder isn't flowing because I keep forgetting to buy flux
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02:56.07DocScrutinizer05azkay_: too hot is just a matter of decent equipment
02:57.18DocScrutinizer05get a good soldering iron with temperature control, adjust it to 330°C, use highest quality electronic solder (Fluitin for example)
02:58.11azkay_So, better than my $10 on/off iron? :P
02:58.25DocScrutinizer05apply minimal amount of solder to iron tip (for improved heat transfer), then heat up the pad until the solder wire liquifies *on the pad*
02:59.20DocScrutinizer05don't apply heat longer than MAX 10s
02:59.27DocScrutinizer05rather 5s
02:59.47DocScrutinizer05if it doesn't work, increase temperature by a 10°C
03:00.53DocScrutinizer05when you really know to solder, aquired real mastership, you can solder with a 10$ iron too. even with a hot spoon
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03:04.17DocScrutinizer05and for 'normal' soldering (all but SMT) you don't really need flux
03:04.33DocScrutinizer05just quality solder wire
03:05.03DocScrutinizer05solder wire has a flux multicore
03:06.01DocScrutinizer05actually the flux core is what separates high quality solder wire from crap
03:06.15DocScrutinizer05the mere metal is almost always the same
03:11.41DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: http://paste.opensuse.org/4960820
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03:40.21azkay_I seee
03:40.23azkay_Thanks :)
03:45.29DocScrutinizer05ok, I'm fed up for today. The N900 testpoint hack seems to work. What's not working is the compination of minicom and TTL-232RG-VREG1V8-WE - not even electrical loopback, neither testing for voltage changes on TX line of that adapter while typing chars works
03:45.48DocScrutinizer05combination*
04:03.19ds3DocScrutinizer05: are you sure that one doesn't require a 1.8V ref?
04:03.58DocScrutinizer05yes, since the adapter has its own power supply
04:04.11ds3adapter?
04:04.13DocScrutinizer05I suspect mess with CTS/RTS
04:04.25ds3isn't that TTL-232RG-VREG1V8-WE a FTDI cable ?
04:04.28DocScrutinizer05TTL-232RG-VREG1V8-WE
04:04.34DocScrutinizer05yes
04:04.49ds3okay... never seem them with their own power supply
04:05.02ds3the one I use has a VREF input to take different IO voltages
04:05.09DocScrutinizer05http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Documents/DataSheets/Cables/DS_TTL-232RG_CABLES.pdf
04:06.46ds3OTH, I use kermit.. minicom is alwaysodd
04:06.53DocScrutinizer05>> Power Supply Output except for the TTL-232RG-VIP-WE  where this is an input and power is supplied by the application interface logic.<<
04:07.22ds3Oh that's what you mean by power supply
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04:08.56DocScrutinizer05so yes, TX has 1V8, and RX has some weak 1V7
04:09.41DocScrutinizer05and TX doesn't show any dynamic signal while typing chars on minicom
04:10.06DocScrutinizer05friggin minicom tells me "offline" always
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04:10.26DocScrutinizer05I strongly suspect RTS/CTS
04:10.51DocScrutinizer05though minicom should override this with HW-flowcontrol off
04:11.24DocScrutinizer05I hope it's not DCD which isn't supported by the FTDI
04:15.13DocScrutinizer052initialize modem" \o/
04:15.27DocScrutinizer05FFS minicom you b*tch
04:17.36DocScrutinizer05aaaand we have LIFTOFF, err noise on battery insert
04:18.25freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: hi!
04:18.42DocScrutinizer05alas nothing but noise, even during boot
04:19.03DocScrutinizer05115200 8N1
04:19.09freemangordonhmm, no
04:19.16freemangordon9600-n-1
04:19.19DocScrutinizer05k
04:19.27freemangordon9600-8-n-1
04:20.24DocScrutinizer05pretty much same noise
04:20.28freemangordonwhere do you see that noise? a garbage chars in minicom?
04:20.35DocScrutinizer05yep
04:20.48freemangordonthen it most-probably works
04:21.53DocScrutinizer05not convinced yet, actually that friggin N900 *really* has 2V8 on debug port, ask me where from it gets that
04:22.26freemangordondebug port == com2?
04:22.54DocScrutinizer05but since the FTDI detects signal, it should be happy with 2V8 and dunno 0.3V
04:23.06DocScrutinizer05dunno which com port that is
04:23.35DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports
04:24.03DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20160408_002.jpg
04:25.07DocScrutinizer05scope meant it looks like 115200
04:25.19freemangordonok, it might be 115200 then
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04:26.09freemangordonI wonder how did you get that readings without the battery inserted
04:26.32DocScrutinizer05see "frequency: 125kHz" from err wait... upper left of scope, but that's between cursors and that means the bit is... err yes as long as one sine wave of ~120kHz
04:26.55DocScrutinizer05this is a storage scope ;-)
04:27.22freemangordonaah, ok :)
04:28.30DocScrutinizer05well, the friggin thing makes noise when battery insert and during bootup. As good as it gets before I have a nap
04:28.48freemangordonyeah, take some rest
04:28.54DocScrutinizer05n8
04:29.01freemangordonnight
04:29.27DocScrutinizer05~minicom
04:29.27infobotminicom is, like, ok. In fact I did xmodem transfers from minicom. But after reseting, minicom receives dirty echo from serial port
04:29.48freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: what is the low level offset from zero?
04:30.02DocScrutinizer05sort if zero iirc
04:30.31DocScrutinizer05massive shootovers though
04:30.31freemangordonI meant - what is seen on the soce
04:30.50DocScrutinizer05yeah, zero volts plusminus
04:31.42DocScrutinizer05no DC offset
04:31.49freemangordonok
04:32.15DocScrutinizer05the downward shootovers are actually negative
04:32.42DocScrutinizer05~1V I'd guess
04:33.08DocScrutinizer05minus 1V
04:34.14azkay__hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__24789__Soldering_Station_with_Adjustable_Heat_Range_with_AUS_Plug.html
04:34.20DocScrutinizer05gonna check signal with scope later, once more
04:34.22azkay__Maybe that
04:34.48freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: yeah, you'd better continue after having some sleep
04:35.04DocScrutinizer05azkay__: looks good enough
04:36.03DocScrutinizer05azkay__: make sure you get a collection of soldertips for it, you won't prolly find any spares later on
04:36.48DocScrutinizer05krhrhr >>Struggles to solder XT60 connectors even on max setting. 60W? I do not think so. You get what you pay for.<<
04:37.50DocScrutinizer05however read next comments
04:37.54azkay__Yeah
04:38.12azkay__It's a chinese clone of some other brand, supposed to have all interchangable parts
04:43.35DocScrutinizer05get a damp sponge for wiping the hot tip clean
04:44.13DocScrutinizer05not your kitchen sponge, there's lead in the solder
04:45.00DocScrutinizer05about time for "n8yn8!"
04:45.29ds3d00d use ckermit :P
04:45.49ds3minicom is good for former telix users
04:47.35DocScrutinizer05let's see
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04:47.41DocScrutinizer05'kermit' ?
04:49.34DocScrutinizer05hmm k, http://paste.opensuse.org/94124643
04:50.33freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: yes, ckermit
04:51.39DocScrutinizer05o.O
04:51.46DocScrutinizer05locate ckermit:
04:51.56DocScrutinizer05/usr/share/doc/packages/ckermit
04:51.58DocScrutinizer05/usr/share/doc/packages/ckermit/COPYING.TXT
04:51.59DocScrutinizer05/usr/share/man/man1/ckermit.1.gz
04:52.10DocScrutinizer05no executable
04:53.04freemangordondunno, maybe you have only that -doc package installed
04:53.15DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/22048302
04:54.19freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: could you ask zypper to list ckermit package contents?
04:54.53DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/45733908
04:55.22DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/66321491
04:55.52freemangordonsorry, can't help, ubuntu here :)
04:56.54freemangordonseems google can:
04:56.56freemangordonhttp://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/162092/how-to-list-installed-files-from-a-package-in-terminal
04:56.57DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/08/plasma-desktopKh2219.png
04:57.30freemangordonwell, seems it is kermit after all
04:57.35DocScrutinizer05yeah
04:58.07DocScrutinizer05saturn:~ # ker
04:58.08DocScrutinizer05kermit          kernel-install  
04:58.17DocScrutinizer05n8
04:58.21DocScrutinizer05now for real
04:58.44keriowouldn't the sponge burn
04:58.53kerioalso how can you *go* to sleep at 7am
04:59.02kerioyou wake up *from* sleep at 7am
04:59.30DocScrutinizer05JRTZV here
04:59.49DocScrutinizer05JR TimeZone Virtual
05:00.09keriodoc pls go to sleep at a normal time
05:00.16kerioit's good for you ;-;
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07:32.29OksanaAny progress with pebble time and Nokia N900? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1346632&postcount=16
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09:40.57Vajbis it just me or gnugo isn't working on maemo?
09:41.14Vajbfrom extras-devel repo
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12:04.01MaxdamantusWhat does "not working" mean?
12:09.51Vajb~ $ gnugo
12:09.51Vajb-sh: gnugo: not found
12:10.33Vajb/opt/gnugo/bin $ sh gnugo
12:10.34Vajbgnugo: line 1: syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")
12:10.34Vajb/opt/gnugo/bin $
12:10.48Vajbthat
12:11.09Vajbit is installed properly, but no way to start it
12:11.27Maxdamantustry ./gnugo
12:11.35Vajbor im missing something (which is probably the case)
12:11.55Vajbnot found
12:12.04MaxdamantusI don't think gnugo usually comes with a shell script wrapper, so `sh gnugo` probably isn't going to make sense.
12:12.15MaxdamantusWhen you're inside /opt/gnugo/bin
12:12.24Vajbthere it worked
12:12.27Vajbthx
12:12.32Maxdamantusif you're not in there, just specify the whole path.
12:12.58Maxdamantusor add /opt/gnugo/bin to your $PATH somehow.
12:13.47KotCzarnyor symlink to /usr/bin
12:15.14Vajbwhat exactly is ./ command?
12:15.29Maxdamantuswhen you run something like `sh foo`, sh reads the "foo" file and interprets it as a shell script.
12:16.17Maxdamantusin typical unix shells, when the first part of a command has a slash in it, it's interpreted as a path to the program to execute.
12:16.45KotCzarny. means current dir
12:17.00Maxdamantusotherwise it looks for it in $PATH entries (unless it happens to be an unquoted shell built-in).
12:17.33KotCzarnyso if you are in /opt/bin and enter ./cmd then it's like providing /opt/bin/cmd
12:17.43MaxdamantusYes, "./gnugo" is just another way of saying "gnugo", but it has a slash in it so the shell interprets it as a path.
12:18.26Vajbhmm i sort of see
12:18.27Maxdamantusotherwise it will expect to find it in /bin or /usr/bin or whatever else is in your $PATH variable at the time.
12:18.44KotCzarnyin similar way .. means 'parent dir' and ~ is expanded by shell to your HOME
12:19.34KotCzarnybut one difference from providing full path is that app starts in current dir
12:20.13MaxdamantusIt always inherits the current directory from the parent.
12:20.24KotCzarnyie. if you are in /home/user and type /opt/bin/cmd and the program would look for file 1.jpg it will look for /home/user/1.jpg
12:20.51KotCzarnybut if you are in /opt/bin and type ./cmd program trying to open 1.jpg will look in /opt/bin/1.jpg
12:22.35Vajband if i symlink gnugo to /usr/bin and run just ./gnugo symlink will point to right place and it works without specifying path?
12:22.57KotCzarnyno, ./gnugo will try to load gnugo from CURRENT dir
12:23.01KotCzarnyie. fail
12:23.27KotCzarnyif you symlink gnugo to /usr/bin you can just run gnugo (and bash will search for gnugo in dirs specified n PATH variable)
12:23.34Maxdamantus"./gnugo" has a slash in it, so it doesn't search $PATH directories.
12:24.00Vajbah right
12:24.37Vajbsomehow i have a feeling that im stumbling over pretty basic things here :)
12:24.48KotCzarny:)
12:24.50KotCzarnyyup
12:25.07MaxdamantusDepends what you consider to be basic.
12:25.11KotCzarnyyou cant get more basic than *nix paths
12:25.37MaxdamantusI'd say ctrl-d on a terminal is more basic, but that's probably harder to grasp.
12:25.55KotCzarnyone could live whole life without knowing ctrl-d
12:26.17Maxdamantusnot knowing about it, or not knowing what it does?
12:26.25KotCzarnynot knowing about it
12:26.43KotCzarny(ie. killing apps by clicking X)
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17:36.56ecc3gAnyone having problems with modest and yahoo IMAP?
17:37.29KotCzarnyafaik yahoo used pop3 for free service, unless they've changed their policy
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17:38.46ecc3gI've been using IMAPs for quite a while but it seemed to have stopped working in January
17:39.04KotCzarnygrab thunderbird and check?
17:39.05ecc3gSince I don't use it as a primary mail provider, I didn't notice it stopped working for me
17:39.13ecc3gAlpine seems to work with the same setup
17:39.33ecc3gso as far as I know it's a modest issue or something with my n900 or tmobile
17:39.48ecc3goh wait
17:39.58ecc3gscratch tmobile, I tested over my wifi at home
17:40.40ecc3gYahoo "last updated 1/20/2016"
17:41.04ecc3gGmail and my private mail server "Last updated 10:50 am" according to modest
17:42.19KotCzarnyas i said, check on pc, if it works, maybe they've disabled some ssl* protocols and left only tls*
17:43.08ecc3gyes it works on my pc through alpine
17:43.24Sicelowhat are the settings by the way? haven't checked my yahoo in a long time. can test for you
17:44.10ecc3gso modest has problems with tls?
17:44.26ecc3gimap.mail.yahoo.com port 993
17:44.45ecc3gSSL
17:47.53Siceloworks
17:48.11ecc3ginteresting, thanks
17:48.25sixwheeledbeastI stopped using modest, it completely stopped downloading email for me back in January IIRC. I agree I thought yahoo was pop only on free mail.
17:49.08ecc3gactually it seems to login but cant get mails or at least no errors
17:49.09ecc3gahh
17:49.29ecc3gsixwheeledbeast: ok yes that's the behavior I'm seeing so perhaps there is really an issue here
17:49.45ecc3gI'm still using IMAP on alpine on my linux box and that still works
17:49.46Siceloreminds me i have a twitter account, hmm.
17:49.47sixwheeledbeastecc3g: you on CSSU?
17:49.51ecc3gyes
17:49.59sixwheeledbeastecc3g: Testing?
17:50.03ecc3gno, stable
17:50.19sixwheeledbeastecc3g: it's stable CSSU then, as I have a testing device that mail works
17:50.21Siceloworking just fine here (Yahoo + Modest) sees all 36 mails. cssu-thumb
17:50.32ecc3ghmm
17:50.43ecc3gso I guess I need to pull a new most from testing?
17:50.44Sicelotbh i use mutt 90% of the time
17:51.04Siceloecc3g: no reason to still be on stable nowadays :)
17:51.09ecc3gI guess I can always ssh and run alpine, but modest seems to work
17:51.17sixwheeledbeastecc3g: hopefully an update is due and then we will be working again
17:51.34KotCzarnycssu-testing is stable enough anyway
17:51.36sixwheeledbeastSicelo: I don't agree, stable is important to be maintained
17:51.48Siceloi didn't say it shouldn't :)
17:52.05sixwheeledbeastIf nobody uses Stable then there is no one to find these things.
17:52.08KotCzarnycssu-thumb is nice too
17:52.17Sicelobut current testing is stable enough for the last two years is it? and will be stable soon as merlin finds the time
17:52.18ecc3gyes
17:52.34ecc3gi really should go get another n900 and try thumb on it
17:52.45sixwheeledbeastI did mention here in January that modest had stopped working but I assumed it was just me so never bothered investigating
17:52.58sixwheeledbeastNo one else shouted up.
17:53.06ecc3gah... sorry i must have missed that message
17:53.19sixwheeledbeastecc3g: np :)
17:53.56sixwheeledbeastboth testing and stable are due an update it's just devs having the time to package one up.
17:54.16ecc3gI miss a lot of things, I just realized I didn't get yahoo mail updates since jan :)
17:54.30sixwheeledbeastlol
17:58.56sixwheeledbeastI see little reason not to have the benefits of thumb if your on testing.
18:03.54merlin1991-stable will see an update *soonish*
18:04.00merlin1991that should get your modest back on track
18:08.06robotanarchy_Wizzup, Pali: updated my guide: https://github.com/robotanarchy/penguinphone/wiki/N900:-Running-ofono-with-a-4.x-kernel
18:11.11sixwheeledbeastmerlin1991: thanks
18:13.52Wizzuprobotanarchy_: did you also see the guide I pm'd you
18:13.56Wizzupwith all the dbus commends
18:13.58Wizzupcommands*
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18:20.12robotanarchy_Wizzup: I saw it yesterday, but then forgot about it. thanks for pointing me at it again, I will link it at the end
18:21.00Wizzuprobotanarchy_: they illustrate the dbus interface decently
18:22.58WizzupI also never had troubles with eudev and openrc
18:23.04Wizzup(wrt your 'systemd hanging' problem)
18:24.12robotanarchy_Wizzup: I don't like systemd anyway. it's just what debian comes with these days... once I have some reasonable userland code written, I'll base everything on another distro
18:24.56robotanarchy_currently I'm favoring starch linux most :p arch linux' pacman + musl libc + busybox. and I'd use runit as init system I guess (just like in void linux and sabotage)
18:25.06WizzupI have a few gentoo musl systems
18:25.09Wizzupwith openrc
18:25.36robotanarchy_nice :)
18:25.50Wizzupnow that most of the n900 driver stuff seems to work (at least for pda func), I am going to drink beer and brainstorm on how to cont.
18:25.57WizzupREing audio I'd still love to help with
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18:26.19robotanarchy_Wizzup: I though audio is already somewhat working?
18:26.30WizzupI meant phone calls
18:26.37Wizzupclosed nokia audio bits
18:26.44WizzupIf you mean ALSA, then yes, ALSA work
18:26.45Wizzups
18:27.04Wizzupalthough I think it is (still?) possible to damage/destroy the speakers
18:27.42robotanarchy_Wizzup: wasn't there a blog post, where someone managed to make a call?
18:28.24Wizzuppavel, yes
18:28.25robotanarchy_and yeah, that alsa stuff also needs to be fixed. destroying speakers is bad :D
18:28.51Wizzuprobotanarchy_: but the nokia closed bits are still interesting since they do many useful things for calls IIRC
18:29.03robotanarchy_ah okay
18:30.04robotanarchy_maybe I can even help with that. though my focus is right now making the phone usable for every day usage. very basic sms and call support, with an xmpp frontend so I can use pidgin for now for writing sms
18:33.25Wizzuprobotanarchy_: ah, the main thing I do not care about is the actual phone func
18:33.26Wizzupat least not much
18:33.42Wizzupbut I have a day-to-day n900 and I want to turn this one into something more useful for pda tasks etc
18:33.54Wizzupwith up to date sw - also firefox 45 (or whatever we have now)
18:34.22robotanarchy_do you have special config options for firefox, so it performs well on the n900?
18:34.49robotanarchy_I've tried it out and it hangs from time to time for me on that debian900 setup I have. running with noscript enabled.
18:35.13robotanarchy_although it probably was the LTS version of firefox, that I tested
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18:38.28robotanarchy_Aaro, the dude who wrote the guide you have sent me also has an interesting minimal linux on n900 project: http://musicnaut.iki.fi/comp/los
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18:53.08robotanarchy_Wizzup: yay, sending and receiving sms works :>
18:54.55Wizzuprobotanarchy_: cool
18:55.25Wizzuprobotanarchy_: I would use firefox on the n900 only for a few things
18:55.29Wizzupnot for most sites
18:55.47robotanarchy_netsurf is slowly getting javascript support, I'll try out that :)
18:55.55robotanarchy_and yeah, makes sense
18:56.44WizzupI'd like to use it for notes, basic rsync/gprs, some security tasks (although modem), and just proper powered terminal when I need it
18:56.51WizzupMy plan is to use s2r extensively
18:57.07Wizzupsince it will not do calls anyway
18:57.58robotanarchy_well then you basically have everything?
18:58.14Wizzupwell, usb host probably
18:58.55robotanarchy_I recommend the terminology terminal. although bloated as hell (i mean, you can play videos in that thing), it is entirely written in C, has some touch support and performs well on the n900.
18:59.05DocScrutinizer05could you guys leave a note somewhere on http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=57 about your alternative OS experiences?
18:59.18Wizzupmerlijn@chrometwo ~ $ ps xua | grep terminology -c
18:59.18Wizzup9
18:59.24Wizzup;-)
18:59.28robotanarchy_:D
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19:00.04Wizzuprobotanarchy_: I have enlightenment installed with the mobile ui as well
19:00.13WizzupI decided to mostly not use X though, I think
19:00.16Wizzupif I don't need it...
19:01.05robotanarchy_https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1498779 <- as you may know that is my minimal, i3 based touch ui for the n900. (DocScrutinizer05: does this count as alternative os experience? ;) )
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19:14.17DocScrutinizer05thanks, I linked to it
19:15.07robotanarchy_DocScrutinizer05: cool, where?
19:15.16DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1503106#post1503106
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20:04.15freemangordonbencoh: BTW, I think there is a council meeting right now, I guess you can ask there re autobuilder etc
20:11.34DocScrutinizer05ooh council meetings still exist?
20:14.27freemangordonsure
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22:18.12DocScrutinizer05(wget http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz -O - 2>/dev/null| tar xvz)&&cd maemo-my-private-workdir&&sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
22:20.55DocScrutinizer05~flashing-cmdline is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:12
22:20.55infobot...but flashing-cmdline is already something else...
22:21.09DocScrutinizer05~forget flashing-cmdline
22:21.09infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot flashing-cmdline
22:21.11DocScrutinizer05~flashing-cmdline is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:12
22:21.12infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay
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