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| 13:08.25 | drathir | mornin/evenin... |
| 13:09.05 | drathir | there is any way of exclude dirs from media tracking? |
| 13:09.55 | drathir | have navigation and all voices are included in media dir too... |
| 13:11.15 | drathir | media directory mean open media play... |
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| 14:13.12 | Sicelo | drathir: edit /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg |
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| 17:14.22 | Vajb | drathir: or use trackerctrl program |
| 17:15.25 | Vajb | tracker cfg actually |
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| 17:33.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and update tracker, it has abug in stock, afaik fixed in CSSU |
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| 18:00.35 | drathir | Sicelo: thanks a lot will check... |
| 18:10.51 | drathir | Vajb: i will check it too, thanks... |
| 18:11.25 | drathir | btw what is order of rules? |
| 18:12.14 | drathir | if i do dont track /;$HOME/; and add track dirs will workin? |
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| 19:11.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/Tracker?action=show&redirect=Tracker |
| 19:12.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker/Documentation |
| 19:15.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | pukes violently, seeing how gnome crap constantly changes and evolves into directions that feel totally insane |
| 19:16.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Tracker uses GSettings for configuration (since 0.12), you can tell Tracker to use the old method of configuration files with environment variables. In the case of configuration files, the configuration is kept in $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/tracker (usually $HOME/.config/tracker).<< gsettings??! WTF? wasn't that gconftool? And good luck with the obviously obsolete config file, it's prolly not documented anymore |
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| 19:17.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | when I read "NEPOMUK" I get a murderous frenzy |
| 19:18.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | guess which process constantly eats >5 GIGAbytes of my RAM >:-( |
| 19:20.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Memory allocator watchdog - osso_mem_saw_enable(): Nokia implemented this to make sure processes didn't accidentally try to allocate too much memory. Tracker used it at some time or another, but no longer.<< ROTFL |
| 19:21.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | YEAH HOW SANE¡¡¡ >>Memory allocator limitation - setrlimit(): Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit. << |
| 19:22.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | 50% of memory? WHAT THE FUCKING HELL SUCKER?! |
| 19:23.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tracker |
| 19:23.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 19:23.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack |
| 19:23.45 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: :) |
| 19:25.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tracker is <reply> >>Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit. << 50% of memory? WHAT THE FUCKING HELL SUCKER?! |
| 19:25.11 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: please, watch your language. |
| 19:25.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~useless |
| 19:25.19 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 19:25.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tracker is <reply> >>Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit. << 50% of memory? WHAT THE F*CKING HELL SUCKER?! |
| 19:25.37 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 19:27.43 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: to be fair, 50% of all memory is only 128mb |
| 19:28.03 | kerio | i'm pretty sure that my irc client right now is using waaaaaaaaaay more than that |
| 19:28.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe on your flimsy system. on my system it's at least 4GB, and since >>between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG<< it's prolly unlimited on my 64bit system |
| 19:28.59 | kerio | yes, on my flimsy n900 |
| 19:29.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | also the question is if swap counts as "total memory" |
| 19:30.09 | kerio | on my lappy 50% would be 8gb |
| 19:30.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and note that 50% is LOWER limit, upper limit is MAXLONG |
| 19:31.17 | kerio | ...what |
| 19:31.25 | kerio | it's forced to use more memory than it needs? :| |
| 19:31.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | lower limit of the range for upper limit |
| 19:32.01 | bencoh | :] |
| 19:32.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | upper limit of range for UPPERLIMIT aka RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA is MAXLONG |
| 19:32.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2^64 on my PC |
| 19:34.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker/Documentation/Configuration |
| 19:34.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | GNOME |
| 19:34.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | starts with G |
| 19:34.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | >:-( |
| 19:38.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's face it: like all gnome stuff tracker was utterly useless and defective by design at time of its inception. and since it got much worse |
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| 19:44.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a sidenote: my NEPOMUK RAMkiller process gets started by akonadi_nepomuk_feeder |
| 19:45.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | (KDE, Kmail) |
| 19:45.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | akonadi dwarfs systemd, feature creep wise and on bloatware contest |
| 19:46.48 | kerio | the fuck is nepomuk |
| 19:47.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | tracker's indexer aiui |
| 19:48.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker/Documentation/GettingStarted ^f "nepomuk" |
| 19:49.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.semanticdesktop.org/ontologies/ |
| 19:49.58 | kerio | what the FUCK |
| 19:51.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/ |
| 19:51.35 | kerio | that page would benefit from Sans Bullshit Sans |
| 19:52.07 | kerio | http://www.sansbullshitsans.com |
| 19:53.40 | kerio | http://i.imgur.com/U6CXkZJ.png |
| 19:54.08 | robotanarchy | Pali: thanks for clarifying! Wizzup: great news! |
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| 19:55.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: HEHE full ack |
| 19:56.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for the useful URL |
| 19:56.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | already bookmarked it |
| 19:57.23 | kerio | that's an amazing font |
| 19:57.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
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| 20:03.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tracker |
| 20:03.15 | infobot | >>Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit. << 50% of memory? WHAT THE F*CKING HELL SUCKER?! |
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| 20:08.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/Project+Objectives.html BS bingo at its finest |
| 20:09.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>It will be Social since it will support the interconnection and exchange with other desktops and their users.<< who would want THAT?? |
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| 20:13.48 | bencoh | you're just hurting yourself :) |
| 20:16.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | really? don't think so. Rather I'd hurt myself when allowing my desktop to connect to other desktops.. related: http://www.songtexte.com/songtext/spliff/computer-sind-doof-2bd810f6.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYeDXp3Q0HE |
| 20:17.03 | kerio | ayy desktop linux lmao |
| 20:20.49 | freemangordon | any clue what pnatd is? |
| 20:20.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | really now? |
| 20:21.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | pnatd is an interpreter translating AT commands into ISI |
| 20:21.25 | freemangordon | ok, why it opens ttyGSn |
| 20:21.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's used for BT tethering |
| 20:22.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe also USB tethering |
| 20:22.35 | freemangordon | ttyGSn are serial-over-usb ports |
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| 20:22.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | users can communicate to modem via ponatd, though it's not really designed for that purpose |
| 20:22.52 | freemangordon | what has pnad in common with that? |
| 20:25.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | USB--<serial>-["AT command"]--> ISI --<phonet>--> Modem |
| 20:25.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops |
| 20:25.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | USB--<serial>-["AT command"]--> Pnatd --<phonet>-[ISI]--> Modem |
| 20:26.05 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 20:27.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | USB<--<serial>-["AT reply"]-- Pnatd <--<phonet>-[ISI]-- Modem |
| 20:28.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | pnatd AT cmdset implementation is not comprehensive |
| 20:29.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | it basically just implements what's needed to tether the modem functionality to e.g. laptop |
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| 20:31.29 | freemangordon | ok |
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| 20:32.30 | freemangordon | Pali: pnatd opening /dev/ttyGSn devices is the next reason why reboot/powerdown does not work in mainline :( |
| 20:32.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 20:32.53 | Pali | hm? |
| 20:32.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | should only do that in PC mode |
| 20:33.06 | Pali | why it reboot does not work?? |
| 20:33.20 | Pali | before kernel reboot, it kills all userspace processes |
| 20:33.29 | Pali | so that device is closed before reboot |
| 20:33.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, that's what I'd think too |
| 20:33.50 | Pali | and if reboot does not work, then bug is in kernel |
| 20:33.54 | Pali | not in userspace |
| 20:34.59 | freemangordon | because it hangs waiting for nokia_unbind to " usb_put_function_instance(fi_acm);", which never returns as close() is not called for ttyGSn devices |
| 20:35.12 | freemangordon | I am not saying that the problem is in the userspace :) |
| 20:35.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | just a completely stupid sidenote: you didn't forget that the hardware powers up and boots whenever there is VBUS attached, e.g. from a host PC? |
| 20:39.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't *all* filehandles of a process getting handed over to kernel and get closed, on process termination? |
| 20:40.02 | freemangordon | I was expecting the same, but... |
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| 20:51.38 | freemangordon | Pali: yep, looks like a bug in the kernel, however, I don;t have serial to capture logs on reboot |
| 20:55.41 | stryngs | is sure glad you smart folks keep the n900 movin along =) |
| 20:57.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: did you check how to configure the TTL-232RG-VREG1V8-WE? I'm still afraid about some of the options it has |
| 20:57.44 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: no, what bothers you? |
| 20:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, lemme see if I can find the backlog |
| 20:58.27 | Pali | freemangordon: you ask tmlind for help, he has that "special" n900-like device with serial |
| 20:58.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Wed 02 March 2016] [00:29:29] <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: could you look into the weird driver of the TTL-232RG-VREG1V8-WE and how to use it? it has several pretty unusual setting options |
| 20:58.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Wed 02 March 2016] [00:33:00] <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Documents/DataSheets/Cables/DS_TTL-232RG_CABLES.pdf |
| 20:59.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Wed 02 March 2016] [00:30:30] <DocScrutinizer05> unusual for a plain vanilla UART |
| 20:59.55 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ok, what in particular you think may bring problems? |
| 21:00.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | some driver strength settings etc |
| 21:00.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | lemme check the pdf again |
| 21:00.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Wed 02 March 2016] [00:37:43] <DocScrutinizer05> particularly High Current I/Os Load VCP Driver Invert TXD Invert RXD Invert RTS# Invert CTS# worries me |
| 21:01.22 | freemangordon | I don;t see a problem with that |
| 21:01.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 21:01.57 | freemangordon | I guess the driver has sane defaults |
| 21:05.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I'll just connect GND, TX and RX, via 100R series for good means |
| 21:05.33 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: see on p14 for the defaults |
| 21:05.59 | freemangordon | "High Current I/Os" ios being enabled is ok IMO |
| 21:06.55 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: VCP stands for Virtual COM Port and this is what we want :) |
| 21:07.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, I'll just ignore all that stuff and do as said above |
| 21:07.32 | freemangordon | ok |
| 21:07.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's hope minicom gives me a nice bootlog |
| 21:08.09 | freemangordon | yep |
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| 21:35.42 | drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thanks a lot i will read it... |
| 21:54.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 21:54.36 | infobot | i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
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| 22:12.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, still works ;-) |
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| 23:39.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: you still here? |
| 23:41.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: after soldering the three wires, it's getting difficult to disassemble the device without breaking the wires at very least. So my question: do you really need USB reinforcement (the USB jack looks healthy so far)? |
