| 00:10.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | n8 |
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| 06:22.40 | ceene | well, i got a volunteer that wants to help me with yappari |
| 06:23.04 | ceene | although I'm afraid he's less experienced than me in qt, but is experienced on c#, so at least he'll have better oop concepts than me |
| 06:33.07 | Maxdamantus | OOP as in fragile class hierarchies, complicated subtyping and statefulness everywhere? |
| 06:33.36 | bencoh | :] |
| 06:35.06 | ceene | yes |
| 06:35.15 | ceene | alongside asynchronous shit that shouldn't need be |
| 06:37.36 | bencoh | tbh I'd rather have everything async |
| 06:38.01 | ceene | conceptually it's nice |
| 06:38.08 | ceene | but in practices i don't like that much |
| 06:39.15 | Maxdamantus | I'd rather have everything based around composing unperformed operations that aren't necessarily async or sync. |
| 06:39.28 | Maxdamantus | (like in Haskell) |
| 06:40.17 | ceene | sounds more fun than useful |
| 06:40.51 | Maxdamantus | I find it quite useful even in Java. |
| 06:40.56 | Maxdamantus | (8) |
| 06:42.00 | Maxdamantus | Seems a lot easier to reason about than CPS or those silly Rx libraries. |
| 06:42.38 | Maxdamantus | though I might be slightly biased by the fact that monads solve every fucking problem but noone knows about them. |
| 06:42.54 | bencoh | riiiight. |
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| 07:01.01 | ceene | Sicelo: obdgpslogger is already packaged for debian |
| 07:01.14 | ceene | so you may practically reuse all its debian/ directory to make a package for maemo |
| 07:02.42 | bencoh | with some heavy patching to make it play nice with our deps and our debtools, I suspect |
| 07:03.04 | ceene | usually it's not heavy patching, just light :) |
| 07:03.10 | ceene | even more so with such a simple program |
| 07:03.14 | ceene | with so few dependencies |
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| 07:03.52 | ceene | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libfltk1.1 (>= 1.1.8~rc1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgps22 (>= 3.3), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.5.9), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libx11-6 |
| 07:03.55 | ceene | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libfltk1.1 (>= 1.1.8~rc1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgps22 (>= 3.3), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.5.9), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libx11-6 |
| 07:03.58 | ceene | ups |
| 07:04.43 | ceene | if versions match, there's probably not a thing that must be really changed |
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| 08:41.59 | bencoh | ooh, fltk :) |
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| 15:49.50 | Sicelo | ceene: re: obdgpslogger - http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1502733&postcount=1 |
| 15:49.53 | Sicelo | :) |
| 15:50.44 | Sicelo | ah, i see what you mean .. creating a deb? will look at that |
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| 19:12.08 | stryngs | Is there a way to increase Reception/Transmission power for the n900's cell phone transmitter? |
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| 19:43.22 | sixwheeledbeast | you could check the aerial has a good connection if you have signal issues. |
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| 20:25.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | stryngs: other than what sixwheeledbeast said, no |
| 20:26.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | stryngs: there are no particular signal strength issues known in N900 |
| 20:27.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | stryngs: you can connect an external antenna to the service jack inside N900. Not really recommended though |
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| 21:46.24 | robotanarchy | Wizzup: here is what I found out so far (with lots of help from sre), regarding ofono and 4.6-rc1 kernel: |
| 21:46.26 | robotanarchy | https://github.com/robotanarchy/penguinphone/wiki/N900:-Running-ofono-with-a-4.x-kernel |
| 21:46.33 | robotanarchy | feel free to extends this :) |
| 21:55.11 | kerio | what's ofono again |
| 21:55.46 | robotanarchy | kerio: a piece of c software, that provides a dbus api to the n900 modem (and for other phones) |
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| 21:55.57 | robotanarchy | so you can easily connect it, type in the pin, write sms, do calls etc |
| 21:56.14 | robotanarchy | more or less easily ;) |
| 21:56.32 | robotanarchy | also it is heavily bloated and out of date. but there aren't much alternatives |
| 21:57.10 | robotanarchy | here is some more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OFono |
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| 22:05.36 | Wizzup | robotanarchy: That is helpful. I think I may be able to get it to work with this even. |
| 22:05.43 | Wizzup | I'll let you know when I have some time. |
| 22:05.49 | robotanarchy | nice :) |
| 22:06.06 | Wizzup | There should also be some scripts that you can use to test ofono, like send-sms or so |
| 22:06.11 | Wizzup | In gentoo, I think it is a useflag. |
| 22:06.25 | robotanarchy | yes, they are in the source. I have linked them under "trying to find the modem" |
| 22:07.00 | robotanarchy | Wizzup: not sure if I have asked already, but which distro do you run currently on your n900? |
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| 22:21.10 | robotanarchy | ... okay, gentoo i guess :p |
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| 22:37.17 | Wizzup | robotanarchy: yes, gentoo |
| 22:37.21 | Wizzup | robotanarchy: how did you guess? ;) |
| 22:40.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((there aren't much alternatives)) FSO |
| 22:40.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fso |
| 22:40.55 | infobot | i heard fso is the freesmartphone.org mobile devices middleware. http://www.freesmartphone.org// |
| 22:43.11 | kerio | does nokia use any of those |
| 22:43.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 22:44.20 | kerio | ayy lmao |
| 22:44.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the ofono guys were quite ... strange when defeating to join FSO rather than starting a second project of same purpose. They argued "FSO is just a better AT interface to modem, ofono approach is much broader". Now it seems it's exactly the other way around |
| 22:46.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIH, never seen such pattern before¡ ;-P |
| 22:47.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: Nokia invented their own stuff called ISI iirc |
| 22:47.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | which nobody ever really used, except Nokia |
| 22:49.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | (ISI) the usual "we share the (incomplete) specs so everybody may use them, but we don't provide any code of a reference implementation" industry "standard" :-/ |
| 22:51.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~isi |
| 22:51.51 | infobot | rumour has it, isi is Ingénierie des Systèmes Informatiques |
| 22:51.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh! |
| 22:52.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/ofono/ofono.git/tree/drivers/isimodem?id=HEAD |
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| 22:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo ISI is http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/ofono/ofono.git/tree/drivers/isimodem?id=HEAD |
| 22:54.18 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 22:54.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~isi |
| 22:54.56 | infobot | hmm... isi is http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/ofono/ofono.git/tree/drivers/isimodem?id=HEAD |
| 22:59.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo ISI is also https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/07/msg00662.html or https://libraries.io/github/freesmartphone/libisi |
| 22:59.38 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 23:01.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~isi |
| 23:01.20 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, isi is http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/ofono/ofono.git/tree/drivers/isimodem?id=HEAD |
| 23:01.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | dammit |
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| 23:02.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | literal isi |
| 23:02.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal isi |
| 23:02.10 | infobot | "#maemo isi" is "http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/ofono/ofono.git/tree/drivers/isimodem?id=HEAD || https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/07/msg00662.htmlhttps://libraries.io/github/freesmartphone/libisi" |
| 23:02.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | friggin idiot bot |
| 23:03.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo isi is https://libraries.io/github/freesmartphone/libisi http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/ofono/ofono.git/tree/drivers/isimodem?id=HEAD https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/07/msg00662.html |
| 23:03.24 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 23:03.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~isi |
| 23:03.31 | infobot | hmm... isi is https://libraries.io/github/freesmartphone/libisi http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/ofono/ofono.git/tree/drivers/isimodem?id=HEAD https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/07/msg00662.html |
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| 23:07.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Openmoko SHR (OS) is completely based on FSO |
| 23:07.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | and dos1 did a phonecall with SHR already, on Neo900 proto_v1 |
| 23:08.21 | Wizzup | is interested in alternative ways to do the same thing |
| 23:08.34 | Wizzup | especially if it means I can just use my own distro of choice |
| 23:08.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | SHR also works on N900 |
| 23:09.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo is way more "professional" and polished than SHR, but... |
| 23:11.31 | Wizzup | and it's not gentoo, and also has no up to date packages :) |
| 23:11.43 | Wizzup | i'd be happy with a very simple TUI to do calls |
| 23:11.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | so try SHR |
| 23:12.03 | Wizzup | is it possible to install it on gentoo? |
| 23:12.08 | Wizzup | last I checked the last release was very old |
| 23:12.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | or check out PaulFertser's emacs UI for freerunner ;-) |
| 23:13.09 | *** join/#maemo Church- (~hatter@unaffiliated/church-) |
| 23:13.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I don't think there are many distro/release specific things in the vala code of FSO - dunno about SHR |
| 23:14.50 | kerio | >using gentoo in $current_year |
| 23:14.54 | kerio | >using linux in $current_year |
| 23:14.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko/openmoko.20111212.txt |
| 23:15.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: vala is a compiled language, so you should build FSO on top of whatever linux you use |
| 23:18.40 | Wizzup | kerio: let me know when minix runs on the n900 |
| 23:21.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: actually you can ping paul in #openmoko-cdevel |
| 23:21.31 | Wizzup | I won't right now - because I don't have time currently |
| 23:21.38 | Wizzup | I will first give ofono a try, also to get gprs to work |
| 23:21.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | why not FSO? |
| 23:21.59 | Wizzup | because ofono is packaged for gentoo |
| 23:22.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah ok |
| 23:22.08 | Wizzup | I don't want to package FSO first :) |
| 23:22.12 | Wizzup | I may do it at some point |
| 23:22.36 | Wizzup | and I still have actually live up to my promise to fmg and finally get IDA ready and make some time for PA :( |
| 23:25.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | zhere's a guy nicked "Sid" living here who bought a N900 from me for spare, and he's a big gentoo fan. I wouldn't be surprised if he packaged both ofono and FSO for N900 gentoo |
| 23:30.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually Sidd -> https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Village:Neo |
| 23:31.09 | Church- | Just curious where I could find the toolchaine for freemantle? |
| 23:31.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | not worth logging in, the user page doesn't give away any better details |
| 23:31.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle |
| 23:31.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb |
| 23:31.26 | infobot | somebody said scratchbox was a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 23:31.48 | Church- | DocScrutinizer05: ? |
| 23:31.56 | Church- | Ah. |
| 23:32.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | the second link is a VM |
| 23:32.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
| 23:33.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need ^^^ when using the VM |
| 23:34.25 | Church- | The things I do to get r2 workin gon this thing. :P |
| 23:34.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | please rephrase |
| 23:35.09 | Church- | Trying to get a copy of radare2 compiled for my 900. |
| 23:35.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least what's r2? |
| 23:35.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 23:35.26 | Church- | Ja |
| 23:36.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah knew I heard it before, that was you :-) |
| 23:36.58 | Church- | Yarp. Always been shite at cross-compiling though, so this'll be an adventure. |
| 23:37.49 | *** join/#maemo oldtopman (~oldtopman@unaffiliated/oldtopman) |
| 23:38.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | inside scratchbox it feels like genuine |
| 23:38.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | actualy I think it sort of _is_ genuine |
| 23:39.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean SB is not only a chroot but also a qemu afaik |
| 23:39.31 | oldtopman | Is it alright if I ask questions about the nokia n900 here? |
| 23:39.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course! :-) |
| 23:39.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | where else if not here |
| 23:40.19 | oldtopman | Well, can never be too sure. The community gets smaller every day and I don't want to step on any toes :) |
| 23:40.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, here is a nice bunch |
| 23:41.07 | oldtopman | So, I was just on Lycamobile 2 years ago. They deactivated all of their old sim cards. I bought a new one and put it in, but I still get the generic no sim error. |
| 23:41.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeew |
| 23:41.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | no matter which SIM you use? |
| 23:41.41 | Wizzup | do you get the same problem with other SIMs? |
| 23:41.44 | Wizzup | what doc said. |
| 23:41.59 | oldtopman | I tried a h2o wireless one in the interim as well, but AT&T has deactivated their gsm network here (as I found out :/ ) |
| 23:42.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that doesn't result in no-SIM |
| 23:42.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | as long as you enter the pin correctly |
| 23:43.05 | oldtopman | What errors are there? Regardless of sim, I get the 'cellular communication error, all calls disabled...etc, etc.' |
| 23:43.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it doesn't even ask for PIN though it should, you have a hw problem |
| 23:43.25 | oldtopman | With sim out, I can look up IMEI, with it in, it's blank on h2o |
| 23:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 23:43.39 | oldtopman | PIN? |
| 23:43.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 23:44.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, you're in a ecosystem aka country where SIMs don't use PINs? |
| 23:44.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know a few of those |
| 23:44.27 | oldtopman | ah, yeah. America here. |
| 23:45.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | as long as you can request IMEI, there's still hope |
| 23:45.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | but odds are you are a victim of the notorious no-SIM hw error |
| 23:45.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~springfix |
| 23:45.47 | infobot | hmm... springfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1243160#post1243160 and http://www.jabawok.net/?p=14 |
| 23:46.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | try to clean SIM contacts though, before you try that |
| 23:46.17 | oldtopman | DocScrutinizer05: It's blank with this sim in as well. Am I screwed? Really not a fan of android or ios right now :/ |
| 23:46.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are still working N900 available on ebay :-) |
| 23:47.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | we need to do deeper examination of your modem status to definitely decide whether it's the nasty hw error or maybe something inb software or simply SIM contacts or sth |
| 23:48.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | a very good indicator would be when no-SIM occurs only statistically from time to time. Then you're screwed |
| 23:49.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can talk to the modem low level via program pnatd |
| 23:49.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | in a shell |
| 23:49.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | there you can use some AT commands to check status of modem and query details of SIM etc |
| 23:49.54 | oldtopman | DocScrutinizer05: I found my old Nokia 2720, should be able to tell if the sim card is working, yeah? |
| 23:49.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | not trivial particularly to recall all the AT commands off top of my head |
| 23:50.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, sure - excellent approach |
| 23:51.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: could you (or anybody else) take over? I'm tired and off for bed |
| 23:51.47 | oldtopman | DocScrutinizer05, thanks for the advice. I'll give cleaning a shot before holding a funeral and replacing anything. |
| 23:52.08 | kerio | who shuts down a gsm network like that |
| 23:52.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ping me in 10h, we can go on investigating the issue |
| 23:52.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: AT&T ;-P |
| 23:53.12 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i shit you not ebay italy has some listings for 400+⬠for brand new n900s |
| 23:53.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know |
| 23:53.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | a tad expensive, eh? ;-) |
| 23:54.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | also check those offers, often they are from 2011 |
| 23:54.34 | kerio | it makes the neo900 price feel more sensible á( á )á |
| 23:54.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I even found an original Nokia offer on Amazon |
| 23:55.22 | oldtopman | ...darn 2720 isn't unlocked. Which is a good sign, I suppose, since it's more of a reaction than it had to the h2o card. |
| 23:55.38 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: I just went to bed as well |
| 23:55.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | If I wouldn't know Nokia doesn't even exist anymore (selling phones) I would have assumed this were a real N900 new offer |
| 23:55.48 | Wizzup | zzz |
| 23:56.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: oldtopman: kerio: $folks: good night :-) |
| 23:56.12 | oldtopman | night |
| 23:56.14 | Wizzup | nn! |
| 23:57.35 | kerio | http://www.amazon.it/Nokia-NOKIA-N900-32GB/dp/B00NHONL7U/ 700 washingtons |
| 23:57.47 | kerio | well, 700⬠|
| 23:58.05 | kerio | that's roughly 800 washingtons |
| 23:58.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the one I found :-D |
| 23:58.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | "sold by: Nokia" |
| 23:59.06 | kerio | á( á )á |
| 23:59.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | the comments give it away though |