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| 01:47.12 | azkay_ | Someone want to give me a free day? |
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| 07:47.36 | azkay_ | Day 1 with the N900: Better buy a new battery, I've a feeling this used one has been used a bit. Need to figure out why my fcam isn't working, figure out why gps isn't locating, and figure out why my proxy is being ignored |
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| 07:54.58 | kerio | azkay_: have you reflashed it |
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| 08:01.09 | azkay_ | Yeah its a clean install + cssu just installed |
| 08:01.47 | azkay_ | installed fcam drivers then fcamera, rebooted and main camera is blank, fcamera is white. GPS won't lock on with the supl.nokia.com or supl.google.com |
| 08:04.26 | Maxdamantus | try `mplayer tv://` |
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| 08:26.40 | azkay_ | Can't open /dev/video0 |
| 08:26.51 | azkay_ | Must be kernel power/fcam problem |
| 08:27.22 | kerio | have you installed it after fcam |
| 08:27.30 | kerio | i don't remember what's the correct order |
| 08:27.38 | azkay_ | kernel power? I installed it first, fcam-drivers second, fcamera third |
| 08:27.53 | azkay_ | On a seperate note, does anyone have a mirror for the qt sdk for windows? |
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| 08:32.22 | azkay_ | Found it, I think |
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| 09:07.12 | azkay_ | Classic, 160kb/s lol |
| 09:21.33 | Luke-Jr | azkay_: expect GPS to take at least 15 mins |
| 09:28.24 | azkay_ | Dayummmm, things have changed since 2012 lol. I would get gps lock in <30 seconds |
| 09:29.09 | Defiant | depends on what you (your device) already knows about the current gps state, aka |
| 09:29.23 | Defiant | if you have network you can quickly get gpx fix, if not wait |
| 09:30.19 | Wizzup | azkay_: I think that supl.nokia.com works for me |
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| 09:32.38 | azkay_ | Yeah I had it this morning on 3g, tried supl.nokia.com and supl.google.com. After 5+ minutes of walking and it not locking on, I gave up lol |
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| 10:07.40 | Sicelo | azkay_: you should be on CSSU. the supl server isue was solved in CSSU. it's certificat-related. |
| 10:10.05 | azkay_ | Spooky |
| 10:10.09 | Maxdamantus | I think it's more likely to lock if you're not walking around. |
| 10:11.12 | Maxdamantus | I've only done it once or twice, and had to leave it for a few minutes to get a lock (never tried with the network assistance stuff) |
| 10:11.47 | Luke-Jr | Defiant: AGPS hasn't worked on N900 in a while.. |
| 10:12.02 | Defiant | Luke-Jr: not? |
| 10:12.11 | Luke-Jr | Sicelo: how do I check if I ahve that? |
| 10:14.03 | Sicelo | mameo version |
| 10:16.23 | Luke-Jr | ? |
| 10:22.04 | drathir | azkay_: not sure if still workin but agps should speedup gps sync... |
| 10:23.09 | azkay_ | Yep I have been using agps. But yeah, after what Luke said I checked TMO for agps problems, other people are having the same problem on and off |
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| 10:27.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | GPS is almost instant when I'm on 3G |
| 10:27.22 | drathir | agps no matter but keep on mind depend on world region n900 if not wrong not support new one glonass sattelites russia ones... |
| 10:27.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~gsm-agps |
| 10:27.36 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP |
| 10:28.59 | drathir | but ofc not 100% sure if its corectly glonass not supported... |
| 10:30.55 | drathir | also nice is gpsdata app... |
| 10:31.17 | Luke-Jr | drathir: GPS at least is global; I would imagine GLONASS is as well |
| 10:32.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, zhat's not exactly correct. GPS gets selectively disabled for some areas of this globe, sometimes |
| 10:32.35 | drathir | Luke-Jr: Yea but with more than one system in range the lock should be faster if in range... theoretically ofc... |
| 10:33.10 | Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: disabled by who? |
| 10:33.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | USA, whom else? |
| 10:33.33 | Luke-Jr | how? |
| 10:33.47 | Luke-Jr | the sats stop transmitting when they're located there? |
| 10:34.37 | drathir | Also depending on coverage and sattelite avability... when locked often possible to keep inside building signall sometimes too... |
| 10:34.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, prolly by switching on the random aka "selective availability" or by simply shutting off the sats when they're over e.g Russia or Ukraine |
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| 10:36.41 | azkay_ | Didn't think n900 supported GLONASS? |
| 10:40.38 | drathir | russia glonass and europe one galileo... |
| 10:42.11 | Sicelo | if you're on 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 or 21.2011.38-1Smaemo7 .. that's what i meant. bad connection i have here, sorry |
| 10:42.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 only supports GPS |
| 10:50.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: dunno think I had better site a few years ago, but http://www.nstb.tc.faa.gov/24Hr_RAIM.htm |
| 10:56.58 | kerio | i don't know about you but i get a gps fix in like 12 seconds |
| 10:57.11 | kerio | from indoors |
| 10:57.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3G? |
| 10:57.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | (me too) |
| 10:57.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | only when on 3G |
| 10:59.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the age old gag that GPS doesn't work when system time isn't set correctly is for sure still a laugh |
| 10:59.18 | kerio | it's truly the dankest meme |
| 11:02.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually trilatteration is working indoors too and is faster than GPS and possibly even more precise |
| 11:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~u-tdoa |
| 11:03.25 | infobot | u-tdoa is, like, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-TDOA |
| 11:05.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-TDOA#Mission-critical_safety_and_security |
| 11:06.03 | azkay_ | Woooo, 30 minutes until sdk is downloaded |
| 11:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | and N900 evidently uses RRLP |
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| 11:14.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | tl;dr: RRLP is the GSM based "A-GPS" that doesn't even need sats |
| 11:15.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's the protocol that's used to transport U-TDOA data from carrier to phone |
| 11:16.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/data/results/ |
| 11:18.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | moteworthy: even when you rip out the GPS chip from your phone, U-TDOA still tells carrier where you are, with 50m precision |
| 11:18.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | nowadays even more precise |
| 11:19.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Note*worthy |
| 11:20.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | also note that U-TDOA works with *any* radio technology, no matter if cellphone or walkietalkies or remote control or WLAN or you-name-it |
| 11:21.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | as long as it transmits RF (VHF, UHF ++), it can get located within fraction of a second |
| 11:23.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I even calculated the amount of HDD each of a network of general-purpose U-TDOA sensors to cover all frequencies of a country with 100% area coverage would take |
| 11:23.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's in the range of a 6 digit cost per sensor station, peanuts for TLAs |
| 11:26.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | to learn live what U-TDOA can do and how it works, see http://en.blitzortung.org/live_lightning_maps.php |
| 11:29.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | NB it's not working with directional antennas but simply with timestamps so the sensor stations can determine *relative* distance to RF event |
| 11:30.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it's sort of "terrestrial GPS upside-down" |
| 11:31.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yeah, there also might be sat-borne U-TDOA |
| 11:39.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | sth with battery applet sucks! it tells me charge is at 84%, after 48h of charging |
| 11:39.45 | kerio | have you calibrated bq27k |
| 11:39.52 | drathir | standalone gps lock in few seconds but needed go outside... |
| 11:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever that is meant to mean, it's buzzling like hell |
| 11:41.02 | drathir | DocScrutinizer05: lol gps even possible to synchronise clock in theory... |
| 11:41.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, bq27200 tells me battery is at 99% |
| 11:42.14 | drathir | DocScrutinizer05: w/o agps even possible to +/- localise device with net monitor ^^ |
| 11:43.18 | drathir | celltower localise in cities even possible high meters accuracy... |
| 11:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | 30s at closed window down in the street (buildings all around) |
| 11:45.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | drathir: U-TDOA is carrier-based "cell tower location" |
| 11:46.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-TDOA |
| 11:47.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | (btw the fix after 30s was +-~20m accurate) |
| 11:51.03 | drathir | but that highly depend on cell tower density in town with high amount of towers will be more accurate tracking as precise to detect on which street person is, outside town more by areas in km ranges...... |
| 11:51.36 | drathir | laag ;/ |
| 11:52.16 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: modprobe -r rx51-battery |
| 11:53.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | drathir: sort of, yes |
| 11:54.12 | drathir | advanced power with nokia bme alternative give me 84% 4h/174m second battery indicator 95% 1200/1262mAh 4h/5d |
| 11:55.41 | drathir | looks similar but with diff % ^^ |
| 12:01.25 | drathir | lol U-TDOA is uniquely suited for mission-critical safety and security applications: better and shorter write spy and track mobile user ^^ |
| 12:04.06 | azkay_ | Noooo, nearly out of beer ): |
| 12:04.11 | azkay_ | How will I code without beer? |
| 12:04.16 | drathir | also interesting if every celltover record any phone "radio mac" even if the sim is off... that could be a big amount of data to handle... |
| 12:04.56 | drathir | in theory i guess that is possible interesting if used... |
| 12:05.32 | drathir | azkay_: maybe with wine? ^^ |
| 12:06.25 | azkay_ | No wine ): |
| 12:06.58 | drathir | pacman -S wine good taste ^^ |
| 12:07.17 | drathir | azkay_: jokin ofc... |
| 12:09.13 | azkay_ | haha |
| 12:09.36 | azkay_ | apt-get libbeerisbetter-dev ;( |
| 12:09.38 | azkay_ | ;)* |
| 12:11.23 | azkay_ | ahhhhhhhhh, spent 4 hours downloading this sdk and it doesn't even have fremantle ): |
| 12:11.35 | azkay_ | it has symbian and harmattan |
| 12:11.37 | azkay_ | boooooo |
| 12:11.40 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 12:11.49 | KotCzarny | get vm image |
| 12:11.55 | KotCzarny | all installed, ready to use |
| 12:12.25 | azkay_ | Yeah, that's the worst case scenario, I wanted to do it right out of windows without having to bother going through virtual machines ): |
| 12:12.41 | azkay_ | I had it working back in 2012, but can't remember what I installed |
| 12:15.00 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 12:15.04 | KotCzarny | sdk in windoze? |
| 12:18.20 | azkay_ | Yeah |
| 12:18.41 | azkay_ | Back in the day one of the windows installers with qtcreator had all the presets for n900 development |
| 12:19.03 | Maxdamantus | colinux? |
| 12:20.13 | azkay_ | Hadn't heard of that since now |
| 12:21.25 | drathir | azkay_: weak server or conn? |
| 12:22.02 | Maxdamantus | Can't escape virtual machines anyway. |
| 12:22.11 | Maxdamantus | Everything runs in a VM nowadays. |
| 12:22.13 | azkay_ | I escaped it once, I'll escape it again :P |
| 12:22.24 | azkay_ | drathir, what's this about? |
| 12:22.38 | Maxdamantus | Programs want to mess with memory using integer addresses. |
| 12:23.14 | Maxdamantus | so we have to make these stupid memory management systems that intercept operations on those addresses. |
| 12:24.48 | Maxdamantus | Waste time with these stupid "system calls" .. and page faults. |
| 12:25.06 | Maxdamantus | Why can't a write to a fd just be a normal function call? |
| 12:25.38 | Maxdamantus | If it were that simple people wouldn't write stupid buffering mechanisms in userspace libraries like glibc. |
| 12:26.57 | Maxdamantus | but no, writing to a fd is something you're meant to do sparingly, even when it has no direct impact on the outside world (eg, if it's just writing to an fd that is read directly by another "process"). |
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| 12:46.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell azkay_ about sb |
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| 12:51.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | alternative source: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/ |
| 12:52.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z |
| 12:52.55 | azkay_ | Yeah I've seen that |
| 12:53.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z_DIR.txt |
| 12:53.08 | azkay_ | I used to scratchbox on debian |
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| 12:55.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt |
| 12:55.34 | drathir | azkay_: so long download time... |
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| 12:59.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
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| 13:04.14 | azkay_ | Yeah, that just shows how to do it with linux/vm, not windows |
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| 13:15.36 | drathir | azkay_: dont like it but maybe use vbox... |
| 13:15.53 | azkay_ | Got it, Qt_SDK_Windows_offline_v1_1_en.exe has fremantle support |
| 13:16.11 | azkay_ | 1.4 only has symbian/harmattan. Not sure about .2 and .3 |
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| 13:21.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh that's MADDE? |
| 13:22.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~madde |
| 13:22.39 | infobot | i guess madde is http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE http://sourceforge.net/projects/madde/ https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/maddeâ |
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| 13:25.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | fiasco+co/tabletsdev/ |
| 13:27.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | just a headsup: DO NOT POST FULL URLs ANYWHERE! that stuff will vanish same moment you do |
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| 13:31.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 13:38.21 | L29Ah | > c++ |
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| 19:46.45 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
| 19:47.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wb |
| 19:47.06 | infobot | thx |
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