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| 04:33.53 | azkay | Weeee n900 arrived |
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| 05:37.46 | bencoh | bleh, the alarm/timeshift bug hit me.... is that fixed in -testing? |
| 05:38.29 | bencoh | (we just switched to DST, and... alarm ran an hour late ..) |
| 05:45.31 | Defiant | what bug? My alarm was at the right time, which of course is another issue.. |
| 05:45.54 | Defiant | would have liked an alarm a bit later |
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| 07:35.54 | azkay | So what's the go with CSSU in 2016? Stable or testing? |
| 07:38.06 | L29Ah | anything goes |
| 07:38.42 | L29Ah | and still not enough |
| 07:46.58 | KotCzarny | azkay: if you know nothing about linux then go with stable, otherwise testing |
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| 07:57.32 | zGrr | moin :) |
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| 08:00.12 | azkay | I know enough, I just haven't touched N900 in maybe 3 years so I'm not really sure what has changed since haha |
| 08:00.43 | azkay | With everything else that's gone on over with servers closing and mirrors starting, wasn't even sure if CSSU was still going |
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| 08:22.20 | azkay | I sure do wish I remembered to turn off wifi power saving before I started the cssu download haha |
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| 10:27.11 | kerio | this akku polarcell |
| 10:27.12 | kerio | is pink |
| 10:27.14 | kerio | why is it pink |
| 10:29.44 | Defiant | because they go your favorite color from your amazon profile |
| 10:30.05 | kerio | ;< |
| 10:33.24 | kerio | anyway, calibratin |
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| 10:43.25 | drathir | lol kerio not wanna be rude or somethin like that but Your nick in mine irssi is also pink... |
| 10:44.56 | drathir | kerio: but guessing when take a high temp of cell they will looks still normal - the same... |
| 10:45.10 | kerio | no like |
| 10:45.11 | kerio | the label |
| 10:45.36 | drathir | ofc second is more joke... |
| 10:46.31 | drathir | kerio: but for serious for n900? expensive was? |
| 10:46.49 | kerio | 14.90 on amazon italy |
| 10:47.28 | FIQ | what capacity is it? |
| 10:47.34 | drathir | sounds not so bad... takin on mind only few nokia devices using them... |
| 10:47.42 | kerio | FIQ: nominal 1400 |
| 10:47.48 | FIQ | isn't it only like |
| 10:47.51 | kerio | should end up being in the high 1400s if it's a legit polarcell |
| 10:48.01 | FIQ | N8, N900 and 5800XpressMusic? |
| 10:48.09 | drathir | but c3 |
| 10:48.12 | kerio | there's also a lumia that uses the bl-5j |
| 10:48.12 | FIQ | kerio, ah, ok |
| 10:48.20 | FIQ | I see |
| 10:48.30 | KotCzarny | go polarcell |
| 10:48.35 | KotCzarny | go go go |
| 10:48.40 | kerio | DUDE I'M GOING CHILL |
| 10:48.50 | KotCzarny | dont be afraid of pink |
| 10:48.53 | KotCzarny | embrace it! |
| 10:49.04 | FIQ | at least it isn't lime green |
| 10:50.17 | drathir | but not sure if c3/c2 chargin to full battery capacity... the battery are the same still.. |
| 10:51.40 | drathir | need reanimate usb in mine... last cssu upgrade go w/o probem even w/o usb good to have second n900 for charging purposes... |
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| 10:54.52 | drathir | Version 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 onboard... |
| 10:59.06 | drathir | but not yet upgraded kernel power bc of collision in gui updater, and apt-get dont follow HTTP_PROXY env from console... |
| 11:00.43 | Maxdamantus | I think the environment variable is usually in lower-case, oddly. |
| 11:00.56 | Maxdamantus | dunno if apt-get uses it though. |
| 11:01.20 | drathir | sad there isnt in repo proxychains... |
| 11:02.01 | drathir | will help so much... |
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| 11:36.14 | KotCzarny | drathir: did you try making package yourself? |
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| 12:08.54 | drathir | KotCzarny: debian packaging is a nightmare... also im not sure if im able to handle build on one battery w/o external charging... |
| 12:30.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | drathir: you're building on target platform? :-o |
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| 12:30.55 | kerio | truly a god amongst men |
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| 13:32.08 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
| 13:32.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wb |
| 13:32.18 | infobot | It's great to be back! |
| 13:32.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+uptime |
| 13:34.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | bot time again, thanks to purl |
| 13:34.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | bot time again, thanks purl |
| 13:34.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks purl |
| 13:34.45 | infobot | sure thing, DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 14:10.02 | azkay | Just the normal search an address, see it on the map type dealio |
| 14:12.15 | drathir | infobot: botsnack |
| 14:12.15 | infobot | thanks, drathir |
| 14:13.33 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: will something bad happen if i vboost "against" a wallcharger |
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| 14:25.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 14:25.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | definitely not |
| 14:52.34 | kerio | will something good happen |
| 14:52.38 | kerio | like increased power consumption |
| 14:52.48 | kerio | (good because i'm calibrating the battery) |
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| 15:13.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
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| 15:13.56 | kerio | how significant of a reduction in measured capacity will i have if i drain the battery at a constant ~250mA rate |
| 15:14.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | boost converter will eat a tiny bit of energy |
| 15:14.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | compared to what? |
| 15:14.45 | kerio | ...i was going to say "compared to the actual capacity" but that's not really a thing anyway |
| 15:14.59 | kerio | goddamn chemical batteries |
| 15:15.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 15:15.37 | kerio | let's say compared to normal idling/usage |
| 15:15.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | the capacity at 5mA might well be 1.5 times that at 250mA |
| 15:15.51 | kerio | damn |
| 15:16.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that only means that your phone will shutdown instantly when after >1T you try to draw 250mA |
| 15:18.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | otoh you still can draw 5mA for 0.5T after battery reached end-of-discharge at 250mA |
| 15:18.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it's not really that bad an issue |
| 15:18.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | the battery literally gets weak |
| 15:19.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | eventually it's too weak to let device do some if the tasks |
| 15:19.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/ if / of / |
| 15:22.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, T is >50* for 5mA compared to 250mA, but that isn't exactly what you're probing for during calibration, you almost can't |
| 15:26.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | what you could do is: discharge for a 100 minutes at 5mA, shut off load, let recover 1 minute, probe voltage. Then recharge to 100% and repeat the process with 250mA and 2min discharge. Compare the two voltages. That gives you an idea about the true difference |
| 15:28.31 | kerio | assuming stuff is linear |
| 15:29.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you exactly check the chemical/electric nonlinearities in cell here |
| 15:30.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | in theory an ideal cell would have identical voltage after 100min@5mA and 2min@250mA |
| 15:30.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | a non-ideal ("onlinear") cell will differ in voltage without load, after some recovery time |
| 15:31.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | the difference is the correction factor you could apply to discharge metering, based on discharge current |
| 15:32.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually the ratio, not the difference |
| 15:33.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you 'only' need to determine what's your question when looking at the battery charge meter |
| 15:34.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | is the question "how long will it take until TX at full power will cease?" or is it "how long can I standby idle?" |
| 15:34.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | some very smart meters tend to show both values |
| 15:35.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | the math behind it is slightly non-trivial but for sure no witchcraft |
| 15:39.05 | L29Ah | too bad the temporal resolution of the n900 battery controller is so poor |
| 15:39.11 | L29Ah | otherwise we could do this in software |
| 15:42.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, the temporal resolution is around 2.5s |
| 15:42.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | for some values |
| 15:42.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | a tad higher for others |
| 15:43.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally the resolution is pretty good for this task, since the gas gauge integrates |
| 15:43.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | not voltage but Coulomb |
| 15:45.28 | L29Ah | but we can't get to know the ability of the battery to handle high and short current spikes that the phone usage mostly consists of |
| 15:45.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | via Coulomb you get the integral of discharge for last window (a few seconds). For voltage you need to keep consumption of the device low anyway, since otherwise noise is way too high |
| 15:46.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's a tad of a problem, you can solve this only with relatively constant high current you use to probe the cell impedance |
| 15:47.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you have a relatively good idea of cell impedance when you once test voltage at 5mA and then at 500mA |
| 15:48.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | you get voltage without load by probing several times in a row and taking the maximum out of that sequence |
| 15:49.21 | L29Ah | afaik it's not quite linear, for instance i've seen liion batteries losing the voltage quickly when a high current was applied, but then stabilizing at some slower pace |
| 15:49.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, of course |
| 15:49.50 | L29Ah | k maybe i should grok the actual theories instead of chatting |
| 15:49.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the correction factor mentioned above |
| 15:50.57 | L29Ah | the internal resistance alone can't account for this event as it takes some time after the current is applied |
| 15:51.26 | L29Ah | *constant current |
| 15:52.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically a cell is a huuuuge capacitor (well a pretty nonlinear one) in series to a resistive impedance of up to several 100 milliOhms, with another true capacitor to buffer output voltage (RC timing in the range of 5 to 30s), plus yet another series impedance that dirctly has immediate impact on voltage vs output current without any buffering |
| 15:55.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | depending on the accuracy of equivalent virtual circuit you need, you can add more RC stages, one for the sub-1s range and one for the >100s range for example. And yet another for the millisecond range |
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| 15:56.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | the question is if you need all that to answer your question to the meter, which is yet to be defined precisely |
| 15:57.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ater all any such meter prediction is only based on some assumption regarding usage pattern in the furture |
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| 15:59.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you want a precise meter, you not only need a precise virtual circuit equeivalent of the cell, but also need a zillion concurrent values the meter displays, for a zillion possible usage scenarios during the next 2 to 200h |
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| 16:06.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | what you can meter and calculate and display relatively precisely is a "xxx mAh left at 300mA constant load until voltage at this current drops below N.N volts" |
| 16:07.25 | kerio | Last Measured Discharge (LMD): 1122.765 mAh what the shit |
| 16:07.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you probably can also chnage the "300" in this to any other arbitrary value |
| 16:08.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: redo, it might still ahve a hangover from your previous bad battery? |
| 16:08.38 | kerio | it also didn't reset itself when i switched the battery |
| 16:08.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | LMD is meaningless unless you get almost same value twice in a row |
| 16:08.43 | kerio | (i used the slide trick) |
| 16:08.49 | kerio | (i shouldn't have used the slide trick) |
| 16:09.11 | kerio | oh hm |
| 16:09.14 | kerio | maybe it didn't calibrate? |
| 16:09.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's the slide trick? |
| 16:09.22 | kerio | how do i check that again? |
| 16:09.32 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: lift old battery, slide new battery under it, push it in |
| 16:09.41 | kerio | to maintain the clock |
| 16:09.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | check for calibration? see "cycles since last learning" |
| 16:09.57 | kerio | Cycle Count Since Learning Cycle (CYCL): 0 cycles |
| 16:10.03 | kerio | ._. |
| 16:10.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it calibrated |
| 16:10.11 | kerio | maybe i just got a dud |
| 16:10.30 | kerio | the old battery had the same LMD |
| 16:11.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe your gauge didn't accept the LMD since it been to far off from the previous one. It only adjusts a 12.5% per learning cycle iirc |
| 16:11.41 | kerio | we'll see |
| 16:11.42 | kerio | i mean |
| 16:11.53 | kerio | apparently it hit EDV1 at 12% csoc |
| 16:12.02 | kerio | ideally it should be 6, right |
| 16:12.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 16:13.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like your new LMD is a 6% (12-8) lower than the previous one |
| 16:13.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | (12-6) ohmy |
| 16:14.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might want to completely charge the cell prior to starting calibration |
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| 16:15.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, really charge it for 4h |
| 16:15.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | or 1:30 beyond light turns green |
| 16:22.09 | kerio | we'll see |
| 16:22.18 | kerio | but this polarcell looks sketchy as hell tho |
| 16:23.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | (slide trick) DocScrutinizer05's magic battery speedswap ;-D |
| 16:23.33 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is that fast enough to hotswap a battery, btw? |
| 16:23.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I never tested it :-) |
| 16:23.57 | kerio | you should |
| 16:24.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a regular maemo it fails due to BSI/BME |
| 16:24.17 | kerio | :c |
| 16:24.17 | Sicelo | huh? never tested the hotswap method you documented on forum? |
| 16:24.33 | kerio | Sicelo: not the hotswap with offline mode, suspend to ram and cable plugged in |
| 16:24.38 | kerio | yoloswapping a battery without another power source |
| 16:24.43 | Sicelo | ah, ok. |
| 16:24.54 | kerio | by just being very very fast |
| 16:25.08 | kerio | somehow i doubt it will work |
| 16:25.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | me too |
| 16:25.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's see... we got a maybe... |
| 16:26.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | 200uF buffer on Vbatt |
| 16:26.55 | kerio | less math more yolo |
| 16:26.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | we have a idle current around 5mA |
| 16:27.10 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: even with software suspend? |
| 16:28.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0.2mAs/V / 5mA = 0.04s/V |
| 16:28.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | suspend to ram are 2 or 3mA |
| 16:29.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems at battery end voltage of 3.4V you could get away with 20ms swap time |
| 16:29.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | *might* work |
| 16:30.31 | bluto271828 | hi all. got my first n900. it says 10.2010.19-1.002 for version. app manager works. installed dropbear ssh client. got SIM for GPRS. Monitoring my system via ncurses app. All working. mind blown! Bought two more from ebay. installed rootsh, setup passwds, installed dropbear server. poking around remotely via wlan. amazing. if it is you guys still running the repos where I got dropbear and rootsh. Thank you so much! thats it for now. sorry to bother you. b |
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| 16:31.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | not bothering us at all |
| 16:31.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | welcome here! |
| 16:32.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 16:32.01 | infobot | jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 16:34.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | bluto271828: please stay and bother us some more :-) |
| 16:34.52 | Sicelo | bluto271828: you may want to upgrade your version of Maemo |
| 16:34.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 16:34.59 | infobot | somebody said cssu was http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 16:35.03 | bluto271828 | cool. thanks. as I have time will use other phones to start playing around. see if I can install this CSSU. understand how to clash |
| 16:35.08 | bluto271828 | flash sorry |
| 16:35.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~slashing |
| 16:35.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 16:35.30 | infobot | somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 16:35.57 | bluto271828 | yeah I'm going to wait for the 2nd phone to arrive first. this one is already too useful :) |
| 16:36.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 16:36.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 16:36.13 | infobot | well, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 16:36.38 | bluto271828 | in someways it is depressing to realize things have gone backwards. why the f isnt there something like this anymore. it sucks. |
| 16:36.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 |
| 16:37.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, way too expensive, sorry for that |
| 16:38.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway you're not alone, welcome to the club of people who don't like those leete new whyPhones |
| 16:38.41 | bluto271828 | yeah i will buy it if you are able to make it. not too expensive. |
| 16:39.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | we are only able to make it when we get sufficient preorders. This isn't a product built for shelf, it's built to order with your name on it ;-) |
| 16:39.50 | bluto271828 | yeah i understand |
| 16:40.00 | bluto271828 | no problem i will preorder just haven't hot that far yet |
| 16:40.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 16:40.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | welcome |
| 16:40.17 | bluto271828 | only figure out what is going on like last week |
| 16:40.34 | bluto271828 | got that far. i mean |
| 16:40.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | nice you finally found this niche of the scene |
| 16:41.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | /join #neo900 |
| 16:42.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | shuts up - too much advertisement |
| 16:42.10 | bluto271828 | yeah i did last week. slowly slowly |
| 16:43.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm the guy in duty of Neo900 |
| 16:43.11 | bluto271828 | i understand |
| 16:43.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | here however it's about N900 and maemo devices at large |
| 16:43.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 16:44.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | why dropbear? I use OpenSSH |
| 16:46.05 | bluto271828 | i'll be back as I have anything to contribute. no reason. it was the first as I was scrolling through and I honestly wasn't expecting it to work. so I just clicked on it. then I realized I need to solve this root issue. so found a description saying rootfs package will fix the sudo gainroot |
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| 16:46.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 16:46.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | just beware of apt-get upgrade! |
| 16:47.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | get CSSU-testing, it comes with speedyham which is incredibly faster than stock HAM |
| 16:47.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | upgrading to CSSU is a pretty low risk easy thing that won't break your device |
| 16:48.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | or system |
| 16:48.51 | bluto271828 | yeah that is why I immediately ordered 2 more. As soon as I realized this will work for my problem but at the same time I want to learn HOW it is working. I can tell from your Wiki and other stuff this will get pretty hands on. so 2 more on their way to me via ebay |
| 16:49.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | where from? |
| 16:49.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | private seller, or hongkong refurbished? |
| 16:50.55 | bluto271828 | I'll come back when I can mess around more. Don't let me distract you from whatever it is you are working on now. 1st one came from US, some random guy in AL it seems. |
| 16:51.47 | bluto271828 | the 2nd one looks like again from some in US. 3rd says hongkong |
| 16:51.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | you want to check |
| 16:51.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 16:51.52 | infobot | well, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
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| 16:52.39 | bluto271828 | absolutely. thank you i will follow your steps |
| 16:56.28 | bluto271828 | you all have my best wishes and its super cool you are here to ask questions and to help. hopefully over time I'll find a way to help you back. gotta run right now to finish working on dam tax stuff to give to my cpa. but anyway, i'll lurk when I can. and when I have a 2nd device i'll start again playing around. talk to you later and good luck!! |
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| 17:01.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
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| 18:03.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.n-tv.de/politik/NDR-Satire-Tuerkei-bestellt-Botschafter-ein-article17328671.html |
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| 18:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course even RT https://www.rt.com/news/337509-turkey-erdogan-germany-envoy/ |
| 18:09.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | laughing my skinny ass off |
| 18:09.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Streisand^23 |
| 18:10.45 | APic | B-) |
| 18:13.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly I can't recall ever before almost suffocating from laughing while watching official german TV news http://www.tagesschau.de/ |
| 18:14.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/erdogan-satire-103.html |
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| 18:22.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | NB not laughing about the video which is nice but not particularly outstanding, but about that fool who thinks he can order German government to take that video down and thus caused what I predict will be the biggest case of Streisand effect even known |
| 18:23.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's an excellent case to show why Turkey doesn't belong into EU |
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| 21:03.25 | bluto271828 | Hi. Ok already 2 really quick questions. (1) batteries. I see PolarCell was the conclusion in late 2010 and seems still - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568&page=167. so about to buy http://www.ebay.com/itm/PolarCell-Battery-Nokia-X6-00-5230-5800-N900-C3-00-BL-5J-5228-XpressMusic-XM-/371422346791?hash=item567a7f3e27:g:4S0AAOSwxCxT5f1G . unless you someone says NO NO bad idea. (2) mosh? been running around town all day with ssh (dbclient) via int |
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| 22:08.43 | bluto271828 | found this. http://sinanimodelucro.net/lang/es/2013/02/11/mosh-connect-to-your-servers-on-roaming-networks-even-from-n900-maemo-5/. but stuck on making my perl work. probably this all works if I moved to CSSU. anyway. see you tomorrow maybe |
| 22:10.59 | bluto271828 | "Package perl is not installed". |
| 22:11.00 | bluto271828 | Nokia-N900:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 22:11.00 | bluto271828 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.2 free non-free |
| 22:11.00 | bluto271828 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free |
| 22:11.08 | bluto271828 | Nokia-N900:~# uname -a |
| 22:11.08 | bluto271828 | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Apr 15 09:47:09 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown |
| 22:11.52 | bluto271828 | \q |
| 22:11.57 | bluto271828 | exit |
| 22:13.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy, wish he stayed after asking questions |
| 22:13.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | mosh is nonsense |
| 22:18.13 | Pali | perl is not installed?? |
| 22:18.14 | Pali | wtf? |
| 22:18.21 | Pali | without perl debian cannot work |
| 22:18.25 | Pali | and maemo is debian |
| 22:19.09 | Kabouik | If anyone has any idea on this (https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1502414&postcount=10), please highlight me! :] |
| 22:20.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-24.log.html#t2013-10-24T19:14:51 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-24.log.html#t2013-10-24T19:24:02 |
| 22:39.39 | Kabouik | No ideas? |
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