| 00:08.21 | Oksana | Okay, so I should gmail the admin?.. |
| 00:16.18 | Pali | yes |
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| 01:01.11 | HtheB | anyone awake? |
| 01:30.50 | Oksana | Not much. And yes, I gmailed, just now |
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| 07:23.05 | KotCzarny | oksana: fremantle already includes wildmidi (ie. midi playback), which is 1/ easier on resources, 2/ still supported |
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| 07:46.36 | sixwheeledbeast | Oksana: you request has to be accepted by admin |
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| 08:13.34 | bencoh | Oksana: what do you want to change in mstardict? |
| 08:14.10 | bencoh | (I have an issue with mstardict and RTL languages but never took the time to patch it) |
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| 08:28.03 | sixwheeledbeast | you can upload to devel anyway without being a maintainer. |
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| 10:11.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | not recommended |
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| 10:11.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | council should be able to grant admin/developer status in any arbitrary garage project |
| 10:14.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | one of the many council tasks nobody seems to even know about, and that never will fly with a "maemo eV" of dozens or even hundreds of members in charge of deciding and actually doing such stuff |
| 10:15.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | those who argued "why do we need council? we got maemo eV" evidently have no faintest clue |
| 10:25.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | the >>you can upload to devel anyway<< actually is an infra flaw, since it was too complicated to limit upload to the garage project related files only |
| 10:27.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | you only can apply for upload to extras-devel with a garage project anyway, and you're *supposed* to not abuse those upload rights for other projects owned by others. Particularly since the licensing of your files to upload are explained inside the garage project application and your upload rights to extras-devel are decided based on that licensing and project description |
| 10:28.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least that was the original idea |
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| 10:35.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, actually seems I'm wrong, you technically can also apply for upload permission to extras-devel without owning (or being member of) a garage project. But then in upload permission application you can't refer to the garage project but need to do all the declaration stuff what exactly you want to upload in the application. And this again defines and limits what you're supposed to use your upload permission for |
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| 10:37.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | uploading arbitrary stuff you didn't apply (and got permission) for is pretty much abusive |
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| 10:39.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | in the past councils were very liberal with enforcing this rule, but that doesn't mean we should deliberately suggest ignoring it |
| 10:43.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | the correct procedure is: when you want to upload something new, let council and community know about it several days ahead of time, and allow council and staff to veto. When you want to contribute to an existing project, become meber of the group either by approval from project admins or by requesting to take over the project administration when the former admins are not responsive |
| 10:46.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | project admistration takeover should get granted liberally by garage admin resp council, since they don't do much damage with doing so. If former project admin (which stays in charge until new admin kicks him from project) has any objections with the newly added co-admin, everything can get rolled back without problem |
| 10:47.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | servicing http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/pending/ is one of the regular tasks of council, unless they delegate to some admin |
| 10:50.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I've seen requests lingering on for months there, should get serviced at least once per week |
| 10:53.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/03/20/plasma-desktopks2219.png |
| 10:55.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and could somebody please remove the friggin red [BETA] right side of "MAEMO.org" |
| 11:00.50 | sixwheeledbeast | I would argue you could upload to devel and therefore inspect the package for promotion. But yes maintainer request page seems to have been forgotten about., I was looking after that during migration but it is a CC/sysop task. |
| 11:05.03 | sixwheeledbeast | You are correct tho it was designed back it the day when a garage page was the way to go. Times change people prefer git pages etc etc |
| 11:09.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, of course |
| 11:11.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | and even back then garage and autobuilder/repos were to segregate systems technically (one midgard, I forgot the name of the other forming garage), so merging the two was not exactly simlple |
| 11:12.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I _think_ garage even supports git ? |
| 11:12.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway... |
| 11:13.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: please hit "take over meintainership" button and push council members to approve at http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/pending/ |
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| 11:18.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, Pali is (one of) maintainer at http://maemo.org/packages/view/mstardict/ - so you don't need to "Request to be maintainer of this package" |
| 11:18.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's strictly only about the garage project then |
| 11:20.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: (git) git clone https://vcs.maemo.org/git/mstardict |
| 11:21.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I see Pali is developer on https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=1357 |
| 11:21.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I'll switch you to admin role on mstardict |
| 11:22.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | done |
| 11:23.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: contact Pali about getting membership status on mstardict, please |
| 11:24.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, seems you are already |
| 11:24.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | err nope, pending requests |
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| 11:27.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: there are a few requests pennding to get serviced, incl your for admin (which I serviced now), on https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mstardict/ |
| 11:29.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: if you feel like getting admin by my discretion on mstardict is not the correct thing to do, you're free to drop own permissions |
| 11:32.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | @council: if you have any objections to Pali getting admin on https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mstardict/, please holler |
| 11:32.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | (or reset Pali's role on your own, you all automatically got permission for that) |
| 11:34.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: ^^^ |
| 11:36.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: btw as ex-council you should be in the group "ex-council" in garage and have full access to https://garage.maemo.org/project/admin/?group_id=1357 |
| 11:36.50 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: I will try contact roman as mstardict is his project |
| 11:37.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: well, up to you to consider if he's dead or gone fitjii islands or is content with you helping with admin stuff on that project |
| 11:38.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I see your request for admin status on mstardict was lingering too, like oksana's and some other pal |
| 11:38.50 | Pali | ehm... roman could be in same city as me :-) so I can try to find him |
| 11:38.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 11:39.30 | Pali | but email should work too |
| 11:39.33 | Pali | sent |
| 11:40.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess adding Oksana as junior debvel so she can checkin her own git branch (or whatever you git guys do) is a good thing anyway, and won't do any harm |
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| 11:41.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm absolutely sure you will handle that correctly |
| 11:43.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy you guys failed to add council to garage group "council"? |
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| 11:48.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, at least juiceme is admin of council group |
| 11:48.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: the policy is to keep ex-council in garage council group |
| 11:49.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually, unless they ask for getting removed |
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| 11:51.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: usually parting council makes sure new council members are added to maemo-council garage group |
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| 11:53.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: https://garage.maemo.org/project/admin/?group_id=773 |
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| 11:59.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: ^^^ could you please check if you can reach the page https://garage.maemo.org/project/admin/?group_id=1357 |
| 12:02.01 | sixwheeledbeast | denied, could have broken during migration? |
| 12:02.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, you're just senior developer in maemo-council |
| 12:02.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait a minute |
| 12:03.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | please try again |
| 12:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | (you prolly need to relogin to garage) |
| 12:04.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: ^^^ |
| 12:05.52 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: ok I did login |
| 12:05.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | on that page? |
| 12:07.32 | sixwheeledbeast | I am logged in to garage and then browsing to that page I get permission denied. |
| 12:07.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh |
| 12:08.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | please check https://garage.maemo.org/project/admin/?group_id=773 |
| 12:09.17 | sixwheeledbeast | yep I see me |
| 12:10.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok can you click on "admin" and see the edit features? |
| 12:12.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that works, please proceed to https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mstardict and click "admin" |
| 12:14.14 | sixwheeledbeast | I can see edit role? |
| 12:14.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: sorry? |
| 12:15.23 | sixwheeledbeast | on https://garage.maemo.org/project/admin/?group_id=773 I can't find "edit feaatures" I am listed in the column to the right |
| 12:18.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no "edit features" there are the features in the col at right that you can edit ;-) |
| 12:18.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Role" for example |
| 12:18.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess that worked |
| 12:18.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | now please proceed to https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mstardict/ and click "Admin" |
| 12:20.12 | sixwheeledbeast | Yes I can see my role on the right which is the same a rzr juice etc. |
| 12:20.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | you prolly also could edit roles |
| 12:20.38 | sixwheeledbeast | I have no "Admin" to click on mstardict |
| 12:20.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is not supposed to get done in that group by you |
| 12:20.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's pretty weird |
| 12:22.02 | sixwheeledbeast | Makes sense why I can't get to admin pages then |
| 12:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/03/20/plasma-desktopKU2219.png the second row "Admin" - the dark one |
| 12:22.27 | sixwheeledbeast | yep I only have two options there |
| 12:22.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I rhought that should get autoenabled for all menbers of maemo-council group |
| 12:22.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang! |
| 12:22.53 | sixwheeledbeast | oh actaully Summary SCM andtracker |
| 12:23.56 | juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, hi |
| 12:24.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi juiceme |
| 12:24.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just trying to get some light into garage admin |
| 12:25.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: can you see "approve" and "reject" on http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/pending/ ? |
| 12:25.55 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: I can't access maemo.org at all, it hangs and timesout |
| 12:26.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh! you got fail2banned? |
| 12:26.28 | juiceme | sixwheeledbeast, where are you connecting from? |
| 12:27.08 | juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, so Oksana could not access? |
| 12:27.09 | sixwheeledbeast | juiceme: it what way? I am not using Tor for that connection I don't believe |
| 12:27.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not when sixwheeledbeast could not |
| 12:27.56 | juiceme | ok. just that at least I have no trouble connecting |
| 12:28.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | both were only "senio devel" in garage maemo-council group which I thought was the main point to define permissions |
| 12:28.18 | juiceme | ah |
| 12:28.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | you are admin |
| 12:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you should be able to do all I can do (except some midgard specific editing maybe) |
| 12:29.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: can you reach http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/pending/ and do you see the "admit" / "reject" links? |
| 12:30.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | approve, sorry |
| 12:30.47 | juiceme | is it http or https? |
| 12:30.58 | juiceme | both give me error 500 |
| 12:31.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | err here it's http, that link is ageold |
| 12:31.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 12:32.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/03/20/plasma-desktopwR2219.png |
| 12:32.21 | juiceme | "Component org.maemo.packages failed to handle the request" |
| 12:32.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | are you properly logged in? |
| 12:32.25 | juiceme | yes |
| 12:32.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | (upper right) |
| 12:32.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | DAMN! |
| 12:33.24 | juiceme | starnge |
| 12:33.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | sth severely broken in maemo, I guess. Or I didn't/don't understand how council permissions actually are handled in garage |
| 12:33.29 | juiceme | strange |
| 12:33.38 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: It seems I need to restart my browser ,but I have a load of stuff I am doing at the moment. |
| 12:34.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: no hurries, no hassle. When even juiceme can't reach a cheesy site like http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/pending/ (which is no garage page, but anyway...) |
| 12:36.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly for http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/pending/ it needs permissions from gforge(?) to migrate to midgard, which is a cronjob and often broken |
| 12:37.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: can you see the "role" dropdowns on https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mstardict/ when you click "Admin"? |
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| 12:40.49 | juiceme | I can see admins are Pali Rohár and Roman Moravcik |
| 12:41.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: sure, the question is however if *you* can admin that particular project too |
| 12:41.35 | juiceme | no admin button for me there... |
| 12:41.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | damndamndamn |
| 12:49.05 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: HTTPS Everywhere plugin breaks maemo.org it would appear ;) |
| 12:49.30 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: this is the group that gives repo stuff https://garage.maemo.org/project/admin/ |
| 12:51.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 12:51.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I just added jussi to gforge group (#1) |
| 12:52.25 | sixwheeledbeast | I can access pending but still have no admin option in garage |
| 12:52.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: I can't access that URL |
| 12:53.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Zugriff verweigert.<< |
| 12:53.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | not that I'd need to |
| 12:53.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: please re-login |
| 12:53.40 | merlin1991 | it's the #1 group |
| 12:53.51 | merlin1991 | you only get in via the edit group / searceh |
| 12:53.58 | merlin1991 | the actual link in the end is dead meat :D |
| 12:53.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 12:54.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, then it's gforge |
| 12:57.30 | juiceme | OK now I got "admin" tab |
| 12:57.57 | Pali | so... roman give me permission to take whole mstardict project |
| 12:58.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 12:58.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | you already 'did' |
| 12:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: great! that's group #1 (gforge) |
| 12:59.31 | juiceme | yes |
| 13:00.05 | juiceme | OK, do I need to change some of the roles? |
| 13:00.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I hope you now can do all the admin stuff council is supposed to take care of |
| 13:00.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | (change roles) I'd suggest to negotiate in council who takes care about all that garage admin |
| 13:01.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a pretty powerful role and not a good idea to keep "everybody and his dog" on that group |
| 13:01.35 | juiceme | ok, need to discuss that then. |
| 13:02.03 | juiceme | I hope you can give some advice on the tasks needed for administration. |
| 13:02.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm absolutely sure in former times maemo-council group was relevant for this permission stuff |
| 13:02.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe actually broken during migration, dunno |
| 13:03.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | (advice) sure, just holler |
| 13:04.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | main issue is actually http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/pending/ |
| 13:05.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and there should be some email notification too for that (and garage project application etc) stuff, maybe ask warfare about which mail alias to edit and you guys at council discuss who should receive and manage them |
| 13:06.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | possibly merlin1991 knows more details |
| 13:06.48 | juiceme | OK. still cannot access the pending page, though. |
| 13:07.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait until that dang cronjob tosses ober the group permissions from gforge to midgard. Runs once a day iirc |
| 13:08.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | over* |
| 13:08.13 | juiceme | okay. |
| 13:08.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 13:14.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggested to change the design if infra there so every administrative edit in the gforge databese creates just one record of exactly this event and appends it to the ascii text file that f´gets read by midgard cronjob http poll, so the cronjob could run one per minute. Well it's a lot of work to chage that |
| 13:15.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/ if / of / |
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| 14:19.18 | L29Ah | is there a page where i can see a history of additions/removals/updates of packages in extras? |
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| 15:06.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | err yes? |
| 15:06.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/ |
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| 15:12.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | or did you think of sth different? |
| 15:12.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | L29Ah: ^^^ |
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| 15:52.30 | L29Ah | Forbidden |
| 15:52.30 | L29Ah | You don't have permission to access /packages/ on this server. |
| 15:52.53 | KotCzarny | soa#1 |
| 15:53.00 | KotCzarny | works fine here |
| 15:53.18 | L29Ah | went thru tor, 403 as well |
| 15:53.33 | L29Ah | maemo infra is crap |
| 15:53.46 | KotCzarny | naah |
| 15:53.49 | KotCzarny | could be worse |
| 15:54.44 | KotCzarny | qa queue looks hilarious |
| 15:54.59 | KotCzarny | qa effectively stopped happening ~2009 |
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| 15:58.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, it's stopforumspam |
| 15:58.46 | L29Ah | i guess i can spam by updating my n900 repos |
| 15:58.48 | L29Ah | can't i? |
| 15:59.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 15:59.47 | L29Ah | ok nvm, apt-get update seems to work |
| 16:00.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, it doesn't use Tor |
| 16:00.30 | L29Ah | who is the proper addressee of my whining? |
| 16:00.37 | L29Ah | i don't use tor either |
| 16:00.49 | KotCzarny | staff at maemo.org |
| 16:01.01 | KotCzarny | also council |
| 16:01.08 | L29Ah | doesn't look like valid email/im address |
| 16:01.12 | L29Ah | or forum id |
| 16:01.16 | KotCzarny | Å©nbanip |
| 16:01.20 | KotCzarny | ~unbanip |
| 16:01.21 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff |
| 16:01.29 | KotCzarny | right, techstaff |
| 16:01.32 | L29Ah | :* |
| 16:02.04 | KotCzarny | but i would try to put that issue to council |
| 16:02.22 | KotCzarny | s/to/through/ |
| 16:03.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm cl-154.led-01.ru.sixxs.net wouldn't be surprised to find that provider's complete subnet on stopforumspam's blacklist |
| 16:03.19 | KotCzarny | also, i think poor maemo.org is suffering from all that 7 years of packages history |
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| 16:04.04 | KotCzarny | just browsing 'all packages' requires ~20-30s of wait before page load |
| 16:04.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | L29Ah: https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal |
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| 16:06.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo unbanip is also see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal |
| 16:06.21 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 16:14.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | L29Ah: hmm I don't find anything for your v6 IP addr |
| 16:14.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | on https://www.stopforumspam.com/search |
| 16:17.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | L29Ah: also see host -a maemo.org; it has no AAAA aka IPv6 addr |
| 16:18.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if that's relevant here |
| 16:19.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's at least relevant since I can't deduce your IPv4 address you might use to contact maemo.org, from your IPv6 address according to your hostname in IRC |
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| 16:22.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~unbanip |
| 16:22.47 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal |
| 16:23.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~techstaff |
| 16:23.10 | infobot | i heard techstaff is techstaff(AT)maemo.org - the folks that keep your maemo infra running. Devotion to Duty http://xkcd.com/705/ |
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| 16:41.55 | L29Ah | 109.188.124.5 |
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| 16:43.04 | L29Ah | sent it them |
| 16:44.24 | L29Ah | btw insane captcha took me 15 seconds + several clicks to unblock its js |
| 16:44.52 | L29Ah | In order to confirm your email address and the validity of your removal request, we require that you click on the link below |
| 16:45.01 | L29Ah | sick shit |
| 16:45.20 | L29Ah | all this shit is done in order to READ a "PUBLIC" WEB PAGE |
| 16:45.25 | L29Ah | Your request will now be reviewed by a moderator and can take several hours. |
| 16:45.33 | L29Ah | sounds legit |
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