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| 09:44.03 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 11:20.11 | kerio | is there a simple way to reset the data counter automatically? |
| 11:25.38 | Sicelo | gconftool i guess. i seem to remember it is stored there |
| 11:28.24 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~phonetools |
| 11:30.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmpf |
| 11:32.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | even wrong, nothing in there |
| 11:35.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway alarmed built-in 'reset GPRS counter' |
| 11:36.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | does both reset and automatically |
| 11:36.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and simple too |
| 11:37.01 | Vajb | btw is there a trick to keep screen on while playing chess? |
| 11:37.52 | Vajb | it is annoying when im playing and screen dims slightly and throws me back to start up screen |
| 11:38.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | install simple brightness applet |
| 11:39.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | pushing long the square at left switches "keep screen on" on and off |
| 11:40.16 | Vajb | oh |
| 11:40.28 | Vajb | that sounds cool |
| 11:41.08 | Vajb | where will that "square on left" exactly be? |
| 11:41.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | in system menu |
| 11:41.56 | Vajb | hmm could it be tweaked to "long press ctrl" for example? |
| 11:42.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | only by patching it |
| 11:42.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/simple-brightness-applet/ |
| 11:43.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | you however could tweak Modified Hildon Desktop hotkeys to do such stuff |
| 11:43.21 | Vajb | installing it anyway :) |
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| 11:45.08 | Vajb | hmm an idea for someone skilled enough. Could it be possible to adjust screen brightness for example pressing "switch+volumerocker" |
| 11:45.31 | Vajb | switch meaning that blue arrow between shift and ctrl |
| 11:46.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you write a wrapper script around chess, which switches to backlight permanently on on start, then sets a "trap EXIT $bl-permanently-on-disable" then call maemochess |
| 11:48.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, for someone skilled enough such a modification would be feasible |
| 11:48.57 | Vajb | i think it would be sane to go till blank |
| 11:49.22 | Vajb | i have brightness set at min and it is still too bright at dark |
| 11:49.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | known problem |
| 11:49.53 | Vajb | wrapper script is also above my current skill level |
| 11:50.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm sure there are a few users in here who love to help |
| 11:50.25 | Vajb | i can program ur digital alarm clock to woke u at 6am if u like :p |
| 11:50.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks, too early for me ;-D |
| 11:50.59 | Vajb | haha |
| 11:51.35 | Vajb | so basically, dog can bark, but what use it has for me :D |
| 11:51.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo 1 >/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness |
| 11:52.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is the lowest brightness you can possibly get |
| 11:52.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops sorry |
| 11:52.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly bl_power |
| 11:53.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | not brightness |
| 11:53.23 | KotCzarny | vajb: switch to dark theme and dark background |
| 11:54.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's save to cat actual_brightness bl_power brightness |
| 11:54.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | cd /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/ |
| 11:54.36 | Vajb | well i did try to switch irssi bgd black but it went bollocks |
| 11:54.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat actual_brightness bl_power brightness |
| 11:55.13 | Vajb | hmm seems i can't find simple brightness applet although it installed succesfully |
| 11:55.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo $light >brightness |
| 11:55.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo $light >bl_power |
| 11:56.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | with $power between 0 and 255 prolly |
| 11:56.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | is safe |
| 11:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | simple brightness is in system menu |
| 11:56.21 | KotCzarny | vajb, maybe its in the systray click? |
| 11:56.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | you prolly need to reboot to make it show up |
| 11:56.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | or at least restart hildon home |
| 11:57.10 | Vajb | found it |
| 11:57.26 | Vajb | it is lurking behind "clock" menu |
| 11:57.48 | Vajb | seems good enough for me atmä |
| 11:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | pro tip: when pressing long on the left square, it fanishes with activation. To avoid causing a touch even in application window below, I drag my finger a 1cm down before releasing the touch |
| 11:59.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | vanishes* |
| 12:00.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | event* |
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| 12:20.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | topic mce: can somebody help me out why >> dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.req_display_blanking_pause << doesn't work? http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-May/026195.html |
| 12:23.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "req_display_blanking_pause" with signature "" on interface "com.nokia.mce" doesn't exist |
| 12:58.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, nevermind. The wrapper script doesn't work anyway, thanks to chessui.launch |
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| 13:40.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, you could rename /usr/games/gnuchess and place the wrapper script instead of that binary |
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| 14:21.36 | Vajb | hey pro's. Totally unrelated question, but i'll shoot anyways. If u were to buy laptop with best performance to price ratio. What would u buy? Gf cave three key features. Has to be lightning fast, cheap and come with ms word. Meh... |
| 14:22.00 | KotCzarny | um |
| 14:22.01 | Vajb | hmm is it cave or gave... |
| 14:22.04 | KotCzarny | which kind of fast? |
| 14:22.12 | KotCzarny | facebook fast or 3d fast? |
| 14:22.33 | Vajb | i suppose facebook + flash games fast |
| 14:22.38 | KotCzarny | then cpu |
| 14:22.45 | KotCzarny | good i5/i7 current gen |
| 14:22.52 | KotCzarny | + fast and big ram |
| 14:22.59 | Vajb | i saw her playing mostly candy crush saga etc |
| 14:23.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy |
| 14:23.26 | Vajb | yes i read that i5 is good bet |
| 14:23.36 | KotCzarny | but mind you, CURRENT gen |
| 14:23.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | tell her she doesn't know what she wants |
| 14:23.44 | KotCzarny | there are plenty of gens |
| 14:24.00 | Vajb | hmm and all are named i5? |
| 14:24.04 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 14:24.09 | KotCzarny | it-XXXXY |
| 14:24.12 | Vajb | great |
| 14:24.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | she will only notice when it's too late, that cheap+fast means terrible display and extremely poor battery operation time |
| 14:24.54 | Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: she dont mind unless it plays fine and page numbers comes by click when writing thesis |
| 14:25.05 | KotCzarny | vejb, yeah, ips display is a must |
| 14:25.17 | KotCzarny | it's good for ms word too |
| 14:25.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need a 'lightning fast' system for that, every cheesy 486 would do |
| 14:26.24 | Vajb | so, what generation is i5-6200U |
| 14:26.46 | Vajb | coming at 599e.... not cheap as soap tho |
| 14:26.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh when I get asked such question by friends or even GF, I refuse to give any answer. They can find out themselves in next PC shop |
| 14:27.25 | Vajb | yup and in the end it is ur fault anyway :D |
| 14:27.59 | Vajb | hmm what is ips display? |
| 14:28.09 | kerio | the kind that doesn't screw up the colors |
| 14:28.18 | kerio | compared to TN panels |
| 14:28.18 | KotCzarny | vajb: in short almost perfect viewing |
| 14:28.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | if I had suggested what they will pick, they will blame *me* - when I refuse to help they *might* blame themselves, odds are they blame me for not helping, then I tell them "I had picked exactly same for you" |
| 14:28.52 | Vajb | i see |
| 14:28.52 | kerio | who the hell writes a thesis with word |
| 14:29.15 | Vajb | the one who can't cope with oo |
| 14:29.18 | KotCzarny | vajb, now decide if that machine is quiet and cold too |
| 14:29.25 | kerio | ok let me rephrase it |
| 14:29.31 | KotCzarny | (ie. no fan noise/no heat) |
| 14:29.43 | kerio | who the hell writes a thesis with any WYSIWYG editor intended for word processing |
| 14:29.54 | Vajb | i suppose it sits on our kitchen table as usually |
| 14:29.59 | kerio | as opposed to using latex |
| 14:30.13 | Vajb | so battery/noise doesn't really matter |
| 14:30.30 | KotCzarny | vajb, noise matters, trust me |
| 14:30.55 | KotCzarny | sooner or later you will be irritated if it comes with crappy fan/power management |
| 14:30.58 | Vajb | well if it sounds like vacuum cleaner i spent less time at home... |
| 14:31.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:31.29 | KotCzarny | anyway, that cpu seems nice |
| 14:31.46 | KotCzarny | as for rest of the 'fast' i guess on the windows7 |
| 14:31.51 | Vajb | atm we have some pretty old acer. Maybe 3625 or something |
| 14:32.10 | Vajb | propably |
| 14:32.21 | Vajb | or windows 10 |
| 14:32.31 | KotCzarny | nah, win10 is spyware |
| 14:32.36 | KotCzarny | unless you dont mind |
| 14:32.40 | Vajb | i guess 8.x is pretty much ancient history now |
| 14:33.06 | Vajb | well it is not _my_ laptop |
| 14:33.12 | buZz | KotCzarny: not minding privacy rape is like saying you dont need freedom of speech cause you have nothing to say |
| 14:33.15 | kerio | yeah because some russian script kid spying on you is better |
| 14:33.21 | buZz | imho, very poisonous attitude |
| 14:33.24 | KotCzarny | if she becomes your wife, it WILL be YOURS |
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| 14:33.49 | Vajb | hmm she did pop the topic... |
| 14:33.59 | Vajb | but... |
| 14:34.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never touched win8 and I swore to never touch win10 either |
| 14:34.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but you don't use windows 7 either |
| 14:34.46 | Vajb | but i5-6xxxx should be nice? |
| 14:34.50 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 14:34.54 | buZz | none of the msdos versions since NT 6.0 are any good |
| 14:34.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I do, installed win7 on that dedicated winoze PC I got me a year ago |
| 14:34.56 | KotCzarny | especially xxxU |
| 14:34.58 | kerio | i7 6700K or bust |
| 14:35.03 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you should upgrade |
| 14:35.04 | KotCzarny | which means ultralowvoltage |
| 14:35.09 | kerio | windows 10 *is* better |
| 14:35.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | fuck no! |
| 14:35.20 | kerio | alright, you're dumb too |
| 14:35.48 | kerio | Vajb: how cheap are we talking about here, exactly? |
| 14:35.49 | Vajb | i set up one win10 for a friend, but didn't pay much attention. Basically i disabled every "this sends something to smowhere for ur convenience" |
| 14:35.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I won't pay anual fees to M$ for using their crap |
| 14:36.08 | kerio | because honestly, you could probably consider buying a macbook |
| 14:36.09 | kerio | they're cute |
| 14:36.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I won't spend weeks or months to teach win10 to not phone home, either |
| 14:36.20 | kerio | and the specs of a 13" macbook pro are not bad at all |
| 14:36.24 | KotCzarny | vajb: there are plenty of no-visible-config features of win10 that will spy on you |
| 14:36.25 | buZz | i dont see any OS that comes without C compiler from the box to have any relevance to people that have skill |
| 14:36.53 | kerio | buZz: what if you can install it with an `xcode-select --install`? |
| 14:37.15 | KotCzarny | xcode wasn't free for quite some time |
| 14:37.21 | kerio | i mean, that's about the same as debian |
| 14:37.31 | kerio | where build-essential is not preinstalled :< |
| 14:37.33 | buZz | xcode doesnt come with source |
| 14:37.34 | Vajb | didn't discus exact price, but i suppose <500e |
| 14:37.48 | kerio | xcode-select --install doesn't install xcode |
| 14:37.52 | KotCzarny | otoh linux is 0wned by redhat nsa moles |
| 14:37.53 | KotCzarny | :/ |
| 14:37.55 | kerio | it installs clang and the rest of the toolkit |
| 14:38.42 | kerio | depending on how you define OOTB, you're basically saying that no OS is relevant except gentoo and the BSDs |
| 14:38.55 | kerio | hm, arch too i guess |
| 14:38.57 | Vajb | ok gimme some hard specs here. What is average ghz atm? Some 2ghz? Ram 8gb? |
| 14:39.12 | buZz | for maemo systems? |
| 14:39.13 | buZz | you wish |
| 14:39.25 | kerio | for a laptop i'd say quad 2ish ghz with at least 8gb of ram |
| 14:39.29 | KotCzarny | vajb, mhz isnt the good comparison now |
| 14:39.37 | KotCzarny | and wasnt before neither |
| 14:39.37 | Vajb | also 32 or 64? |
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| 14:39.56 | kerio | ...how's 32 bit even *remotely* passable for any computer bought in the last 5 years |
| 14:40.05 | Vajb | so bottle neck lays somewhere else |
| 14:40.17 | KotCzarny | vajb, if you want more than 3GB then 64bit |
| 14:40.17 | buZz | there are >15 year old cpus doing 64bit |
| 14:40.20 | KotCzarny | no other way |
| 14:40.21 | buZz | KotCzarny: no |
| 14:40.31 | buZz | KotCzarny: http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/03/01/64-bit-arm-aarch64-instructions-boost-performance-by-15-to-30-compared-to-32-bit-arm-aarch32-instructions/ |
| 14:40.35 | Vajb | kerio: u tell me. My last puter is from 2000 :D |
| 14:40.43 | kerio | just buy a 13" macbook pro |
| 14:40.44 | KotCzarny | buzz: aarch64 doesnt have ms word |
| 14:40.47 | buZz | without ram benefits, 64bit makes arm asm ~30-40% faster |
| 14:40.51 | buZz | KotCzarny: whats that |
| 14:40.55 | buZz | oh |
| 14:41.04 | buZz | didnt office rebrand itself into a wordpress website yet |
| 14:41.04 | kerio | buZz: it's kinda like a shitty version of pdflatex |
| 14:41.22 | buZz | office 365+leapdays |
| 14:41.44 | KotCzarny | there are versions without annual tax still |
| 14:42.17 | Vajb | oh, also i suppose celeron is no go with any price? |
| 14:42.18 | buZz | yeah, libreoffice etc |
| 14:42.30 | kerio | the fuck |
| 14:42.33 | kerio | what year is this D: |
| 14:42.36 | KotCzarny | buzz, he specifically said ms word |
| 14:42.45 | buZz | who did |
| 14:42.48 | kerio | Vajb: you still haven't told us what's the budget |
| 14:42.50 | KotCzarny | vajb |
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| 14:43.02 | KotCzarny | buzz: also, i use mcedit for all my word editing needs |
| 14:43.03 | buZz | thats sad |
| 14:43.10 | buZz | i use nano :) |
| 14:43.19 | Vajb | kerio: i told that probably less than 500 for sure |
| 14:43.20 | buZz | and markdown |
| 14:43.23 | buZz | and mediawiki |
| 14:43.24 | buZz | :P |
| 14:43.41 | Vajb | 500e that is |
| 14:43.42 | kerio | i doubt you'll buy a good and fast laptop for less than 500 moneys |
| 14:43.55 | buZz | refurbed i5's can be had for ~200 |
| 14:43.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly the point |
| 14:44.06 | buZz | refurbished* |
| 14:44.09 | Vajb | but they still offer celeron's here in finland |
| 14:44.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 14:44.36 | sunshavi | Vajb: 2000. Eh older than mine 2005 |
| 14:45.01 | kerio | isn't she going to *work* on it? |
| 14:45.14 | KotCzarny | personally i still use thinkpads 6x series |
| 14:45.16 | Vajb | sunshavi: amd tb 1,3ghz. The stuff from where the dreams are made of |
| 14:45.22 | KotCzarny | x60s/x61/t61 |
| 14:45.40 | KotCzarny | with ssd drive its speedy enough |
| 14:45.47 | KotCzarny | and can be had for <100eur |
| 14:45.55 | sunshavi | pentium M 1.7 with pata SSD |
| 14:46.16 | sunshavi | KotCzarny: those seems newer than 2005 |
| 14:46.23 | KotCzarny | yeah, i also own thinkpad x40 with 32GB samsung 830 msata drive |
| 14:46.27 | Vajb | i still have ide hdd |
| 14:46.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | get a panasonic CF-29 ;-P |
| 14:46.45 | Vajb | and that's basically where i stop |
| 14:47.32 | buZz | my >7 year old c2d laptop is already sata only |
| 14:47.42 | Vajb | hmm what is the lowet i5 to consider? |
| 14:47.49 | buZz | imho 3rd gen |
| 14:47.53 | buZz | i5-3xxx |
| 14:47.53 | Vajb | lowest* |
| 14:48.09 | sunshavi | DocScrutinizer05: nice panasonice |
| 14:48.15 | sunshavi | s/e// |
| 14:48.43 | kerio | remember that the older you go with cpu generations, the worse they are for laptops |
| 14:49.06 | kerio | in terms of power consumption and heat |
| 14:49.11 | KotCzarny | well, you can also consider chromebooks |
| 14:49.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | sunshavi: it's top modern, it was in this year's cinema movies |
| 14:49.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 14:49.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems still no other laptop can work on Mars |
| 14:50.07 | Vajb | i5-5200u 6gb, 128gb ssd, windows 10. Asking price 549e |
| 14:50.18 | Vajb | lenovo |
| 14:50.22 | sunshavi | DocScrutinizer05: lol. It is very nice. 15 inches would be better |
| 14:50.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | T500 |
| 14:50.45 | Vajb | i think chromebooks are off |
| 14:51.05 | kerio | Vajb: laptop model? |
| 14:51.16 | Vajb | g50-80 |
| 14:51.29 | Vajb | 15.6 inches |
| 14:51.33 | kerio | >dvd drive :| |
| 14:52.22 | Vajb | cheapest i5 i could find from store which my gaming workmates use |
| 14:52.32 | Vajb | that being jimms.fi |
| 14:52.52 | kerio | seems good |
| 14:53.02 | kerio | in terms of specs at least |
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| 14:56.05 | Vajb | hmm with 4gb of ram asking 479e |
| 14:56.35 | Vajb | nice from lenovo to sell same model with different specs |
| 14:57.03 | KotCzarny | yes, in case of thinkpads you have to get more than just model number |
| 14:57.35 | buZz | keep in mind most lenovos nowadays are crap |
| 14:57.40 | buZz | plastic hinges etc |
| 14:57.44 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 14:57.46 | KotCzarny | that too |
| 14:57.47 | buZz | wont survive >2 years usage |
| 14:57.55 | KotCzarny | buzz, its for a girl |
| 14:58.02 | buZz | then wont survive >1 years usage |
| 14:58.06 | KotCzarny | and will be mostly sitting in a kitchen |
| 14:58.14 | buZz | then wont survive >6 months usage |
| 15:04.03 | sunshavi | KotCzarny: https://dpaste.de/inex/raw |
| 15:04.38 | KotCzarny | uh? |
| 15:05.43 | sunshavi | KotCzarny: I want to locate the VB images that r being mentioned on that article |
| 15:05.51 | KotCzarny | um |
| 15:06.12 | KotCzarny | 1/ install virtualbox, 2/ install debian/ubuntu. done ? |
| 15:06.54 | sunshavi | yeah VB is installed. Mmm, I have done it on chroot. But It did not worked |
| 15:06.55 | sunshavi | :C |
| 15:07.07 | sunshavi | :( |
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| 15:07.27 | sunshavi | I chrooted on a debian wheezy |
| 15:07.43 | KotCzarny | um, you know what virtualbox is? |
| 15:07.58 | KotCzarny | it's a bit more than chroot |
| 15:08.06 | sunshavi | what I want is sb2, cos I could hildonize an app 4 n800. and also do some work 4 n900 |
| 15:08.44 | sunshavi | old scrachbox is too painful |
| 15:09.48 | KotCzarny | well, i just have sb800 and sb900 folders and just switch between them |
| 15:10.11 | sunshavi | in anybody else here doing development for both n800 and n900?. Can You share your setup? |
| 15:10.17 | KotCzarny | and i prefer sb1 because it's independent of the host os |
| 15:11.07 | sunshavi | sb2, Would let me use a newer compiler for n800, so better space when generating binaries |
| 15:11.56 | sunshavi | for n800 it is going to be paramount, n810 has more space. on n800 I am very constrained |
| 15:11.56 | KotCzarny | well, i have gcc 4.7.2, and for small jobs you can just compile native gcc |
| 15:12.13 | Vajb | umm so if lenovo is crap what is quality? |
| 15:12.30 | Vajb | ibm thinkpad? |
| 15:12.40 | KotCzarny | vajb: there are no ibm thinkpads since t60 |
| 15:12.47 | sunshavi | I compiled in the past gcc 4.9 but native 3.3 on scratchbox1 give me better binary size |
| 15:12.50 | buZz | ibm doesnt make laptops |
| 15:12.57 | Vajb | ok ok |
| 15:13.07 | KotCzarny | buzz, ibm doesnt make pcs neither |
| 15:13.11 | Vajb | i feel like my past grandpa' |
| 15:13.44 | buZz | KotCzarny: yep |
| 15:13.45 | KotCzarny | vajb, still, thinkpads t[45]## series are still nice |
| 15:13.50 | buZz | they dont make shit |
| 15:13.51 | Vajb | doesn't either*, right? |
| 15:14.29 | KotCzarny | vajb, i think you use neither when negating something |
| 15:14.30 | Vajb | i guess impossible to get newä |
| 15:14.46 | KotCzarny | vajb, not true, check t530 |
| 15:14.53 | Vajb | yes, but i was pointing out to two times negative |
| 15:14.56 | KotCzarny | but i guess its out of your price range |
| 15:15.38 | KotCzarny | oh, right, t[45]60 is current |
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| 15:15.44 | KotCzarny | http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/ |
| 15:16.44 | Vajb | and right now i was told that 500 absolutely top limit. |
| 15:17.09 | Vajb | so i suppose some features must be tightened |
| 15:17.12 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 15:17.16 | Vajb | or tighten |
| 15:17.32 | KotCzarny | i think ms word alone costs ~100eur |
| 15:17.42 | KotCzarny | well, m$ office |
| 15:18.00 | Vajb | i suppose she thought of investing 100e and getting new set of make ups as well |
| 15:18.07 | KotCzarny | unless you dont care and just going to pirate os and word |
| 15:18.24 | Vajb | 149e was asking price of ms office 16 |
| 15:18.40 | KotCzarny | i think you shoul be looking for new gf |
| 15:18.46 | KotCzarny | *should |
| 15:18.54 | KotCzarny | the one that uses linux |
| 15:19.07 | Vajb | i prefer open source and if that doesn't suit her needs she can buy stuff herself :) |
| 15:19.21 | Vajb | haha |
| 15:19.40 | Vajb | or doesn't use puter at all |
| 15:20.35 | KotCzarny | mine got used to oo and t61 |
| 15:21.12 | Vajb | mine has been struggling with page numbers on oo |
| 15:21.30 | KotCzarny | isnt page numbers done the last? |
| 15:21.33 | Vajb | precisely page numbering starting from page 3 |
| 15:22.07 | Vajb | no idea |
| 15:22.29 | Vajb | but i heard that for word u get ready base and it just magically works |
| 15:22.40 | KotCzarny | also, if its for printing, you design cover in different file |
| 15:22.56 | Vajb | i guess i should take a look, but eh what's there to learn then |
| 15:23.30 | Vajb | no. It is becuse of stict rules of document formatting. |
| 15:23.41 | Vajb | because* strict* |
| 15:23.44 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 15:26.18 | Vajb | is amd e1-2500 any good? |
| 15:26.52 | KotCzarny | going cheaper? |
| 15:27.28 | Vajb | yup it is cheaper |
| 15:27.48 | Vajb | also some 4-core intel pentium n3540 |
| 15:28.01 | Vajb | is this ancient history already? |
| 15:28.34 | KotCzarny | i think n series is atom |
| 15:28.44 | KotCzarny | which also means NO |
| 15:29.13 | Vajb | so number of cores doesn't correlate |
| 15:29.19 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 15:29.30 | KotCzarny | look at single core performamce |
| 15:29.43 | KotCzarny | unless you will be using multicore capable app |
| 15:29.43 | Vajb | sadly so far it seems that i5 just is 500+... |
| 15:29.58 | Vajb | ah right |
| 15:31.34 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 15:32.26 | KotCzarny | you can treat i3 as a i5-celeron |
| 15:32.45 | buZz | i bought a 4th gen i3 used for 30 euros :D |
| 15:32.46 | KotCzarny | cut down, cheaper, but not that bad |
| 15:32.55 | buZz | excellent price |
| 15:33.25 | KotCzarny | btw. e1-2500 is 60% speed of i5-5200U |
| 15:38.02 | Vajb | just thought of cpu comparison and came up with cpuboss |
| 15:38.24 | Vajb | and it proves u correct :) |
| 15:38.31 | KotCzarny | remember it's just heoretical |
| 15:38.46 | KotCzarny | in practice intels eat amd for breakfast |
| 15:39.26 | buZz | amd is great, if you dont require any speed |
| 15:39.41 | KotCzarny | buzz, i use 1100t for my gaming pc |
| 15:39.53 | KotCzarny | but all i play is borderlands ;) |
| 15:40.01 | buZz | hehe 6 year old cpu |
| 15:40.05 | buZz | thats almost retro |
| 15:40.33 | KotCzarny | but it's nice enough, and i'll probably upgrade when ddr4 prices go down |
| 15:40.35 | Vajb | seems n3540 is 'bout same as e1 |
| 15:41.35 | Vajb | even i3 seems better than those two |
| 15:42.01 | KotCzarny | i3 is i5 without turbo, half cores and aes |
| 15:42.18 | buZz | KotCzarny: my main workstation used to be a c2d e8400 |
| 15:42.18 | KotCzarny | so it still depends on your use |
| 15:42.24 | Vajb | how about i3 quad? |
| 15:42.34 | KotCzarny | vajb, which gen? |
| 15:42.36 | Vajb | still single core matters i guess |
| 15:42.59 | Vajb | 3220 |
| 15:43.56 | buZz | KotCzarny: funny, about equal benchmarks to your 1 year younger amd :) at ~70% of power usage |
| 15:44.10 | KotCzarny | buzz, 6 cores |
| 15:44.14 | Vajb | actually it seems to be pretty close to i5 5200 |
| 15:44.17 | buZz | yeah including that KotCzarny |
| 15:44.25 | KotCzarny | also, able to overclock to 3.5-3.8 easily |
| 15:44.35 | buZz | 2 cores c2d 3ghz are about same speed as 6 cores phenom II at 3.2ghz |
| 15:44.51 | buZz | single core the c2d beats it completely |
| 15:44.54 | KotCzarny | those phenoms BE were made to overclock |
| 15:45.06 | buZz | i only overclock gpus :P |
| 15:45.25 | KotCzarny | but i got it long time ago cheaply |
| 15:45.41 | buZz | i bought this c2d 3 years ago for 25 euros |
| 15:45.43 | KotCzarny | and it was no-brains upgrade to my rig (was using 245e at the time |
| 15:45.51 | buZz | incl case, psu , motherboard, etc |
| 15:46.29 | buZz | gotta love companies that upgrade every 3 years and dont know what to do with all the left overs ;) |
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| 16:07.34 | Vajb | t420 i5 2520m 280 dollars |
| 16:07.44 | Vajb | certified refurbished |
| 16:09.05 | Vajb | ah nvm "doesn't ship to finland" |
| 16:29.00 | KotCzarny | vajb, always look at the specs |
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| 16:37.05 | Vajb | yeah |
| 16:37.57 | Vajb | just learnt that i5-5200u beats i7-640lm anyday alltho latter is seemingly better in all specs |
| 16:38.12 | KotCzarny | 640 seems old, 1gen |
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| 16:39.14 | ShadowJK | Vajb, the specs you're not looking at is IPC |
| 16:39.43 | Vajb | ipc? |
| 16:40.14 | ShadowJK | instructions per clock |
| 16:40.53 | KotCzarny | shadowjk, problem is not every instruction has the same time on each of the cpus |
| 16:41.24 | KotCzarny | not to mention some instructions break the parallel execution too |
| 16:41.38 | ShadowJK | Well these days it's all about perf/watt really, as CPUs such as the U series are mostly limited by how much power they are permitted to use |
| 16:42.03 | ShadowJK | The point however is that frequencies have stayed the same for like 10 years, while performance goes up thanks to ipc |
| 16:42.35 | Vajb | so it seems that it is not sensible to buy i3 since i5 is only 100e more |
| 16:42.51 | KotCzarny | not true |
| 16:42.52 | ShadowJK | Which two are you thinking of? |
| 16:43.23 | Vajb | just browsing finnish shops atm |
| 16:43.48 | Vajb | all i3 they offer are 499 while most i5 they offer are 599 |
| 16:44.17 | ShadowJK | In some circumstances i3 is faster than i5 :-) |
| 16:44.20 | ShadowJK | mostly Y series though |
| 16:44.22 | KotCzarny | also, keep in mind that you pay 'shop new tax' |
| 16:45.40 | Vajb | was also looking secondhand products |
| 16:45.54 | Vajb | 449 for i7 640lm |
| 16:46.10 | KotCzarny | http://ark.intel.com/products/43563/Intel-Core-i7-640LM-Processor-4M-Cache-2_13-GHz |
| 16:46.13 | Vajb | also seems most of the are 4gb of ram |
| 16:46.14 | KotCzarny | 1gen |
| 16:46.21 | KotCzarny | that cpu is 6 years old |
| 16:46.41 | Vajb | going to school soon... |
| 16:47.20 | Vajb | i suppose im overthinking again |
| 16:47.29 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 16:47.33 | ShadowJK | How much money do you have to spend? |
| 16:47.34 | KotCzarny | i3 should be enough |
| 16:47.42 | Vajb | took me 2 weeks to find digital camera |
| 16:47.44 | KotCzarny | just dont get the old gens |
| 16:47.44 | ShadowJK | Priority is: SSD, RAM, CPU |
| 16:48.00 | Vajb | ShadowJK: 500e is absolute limit |
| 16:48.11 | Vajb | smaller amount is highly prefered |
| 16:48.51 | KotCzarny | ehehe |
| 16:48.59 | KotCzarny | core2duo? |
| 16:49.12 | Vajb | does 8gb make slower cpu seem snappier than 4gb with faster cpu? |
| 16:49.20 | KotCzarny | depends on use |
| 16:49.31 | KotCzarny | win7 works fine on 2/4GB |
| 16:49.34 | Vajb | basically im asking how important is amount od ram |
| 16:49.50 | Vajb | most of them seem to come with win 10 now |
| 16:49.51 | KotCzarny | if you start photoshop then your memory becomes the bottleneck |
| 16:50.12 | ShadowJK | Things like starting software or changing between two open apps can be snappier with more memory |
| 16:50.13 | Vajb | for me it seems that simple browser is enough... |
| 16:50.13 | KotCzarny | cant say anything how much word requires |
| 16:50.46 | KotCzarny | shadowjk: laptop will be for a girl (ms word/browser) |
| 16:50.48 | Vajb | coming from ms i would guess it eats ram for breakfast |
| 16:51.13 | ShadowJK | My work machine is a c2d with 4g ram. Newest word is painful on it. |
| 16:51.16 | KotCzarny | 4GB should be enough, and you can always upgrade later |
| 16:51.29 | ShadowJK | Or did it hav 2G? I forget. office 365 is a pig anyways. |
| 16:52.51 | KotCzarny | remember that ram is one of the few things you can upgrade |
| 16:55.32 | KotCzarny | cpu is often tied to chipset tho |
| 16:55.59 | Vajb | yeah |
| 16:56.09 | Vajb | hp 350 with win 7 is 450e |
| 16:56.19 | KotCzarny | which model? |
| 16:56.22 | Vajb | i3-5010u |
| 16:56.33 | Vajb | 4gb |
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| 16:57.13 | Vajb | with same money is i3-4005u with 8gb |
| 16:57.25 | Vajb | but win 8.1 |
| 16:58.11 | KotCzarny | stick to better cpu |
| 16:58.37 | Vajb | 5gen seems slightly better |
| 16:58.38 | KotCzarny | also, 5010 is 14nm, 4005 is 22nm |
| 16:58.50 | KotCzarny | read, lower power, faster etc |
| 16:59.33 | Vajb | hmm compare page claims that n3540 is better value |
| 17:00.14 | Vajb | but is atleast 25 percent slower |
| 17:00.19 | KotCzarny | http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i3-5010U-vs-Intel-Core-i3-4005U |
| 17:00.24 | KotCzarny | see the specs in the middle |
| 17:00.40 | KotCzarny | 5010 has twice the mem bandwidth of 4005 |
| 17:02.13 | Vajb | yes i was looking that page |
| 17:02.48 | Vajb | 5005-5010 is more even pair |
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| 17:07.37 | Vajb | meh it seems win 7 is 60e more on identical computer |
| 17:08.18 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 17:08.21 | KotCzarny | figures |
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| 17:14.37 | Vajb | hmm 90e between i5-5200 and i3-5010 |
| 17:14.52 | Vajb | lenovo vs hp |
| 17:27.02 | Vajb | ok i think i have narrowed it down to lenovo g50-80 with i5-5200u and hp 350 with i3-5010u. Latter is cheaper but former is full hd |
| 17:27.39 | Vajb | will browse local stores next week to squeeze some bargains with my charm |
| 17:27.52 | Vajb | but thanks all for helping |
| 17:28.12 | Vajb | i think im at year 2010 with laptop specs now |
| 17:28.15 | KotCzarny | ssd or rotational? |
| 17:28.22 | Vajb | instead being in 2000 |
| 17:28.41 | Vajb | lenovo ssd hp sata |
| 17:28.50 | KotCzarny | ssd is sata too :P |
| 17:29.14 | KotCzarny | anyway, ssd is a must for a snappy laptop |
| 17:29.20 | Vajb | let me rephrase myself then |
| 17:29.31 | KotCzarny | (but they are getting crappier every year, more unreliable) |
| 17:29.34 | Vajb | 5400rpm sata ;) |
| 17:29.49 | KotCzarny | you can say just 5400rpm ;) |
| 17:30.13 | Vajb | that's hardly ssd or then it is very tricky to get hold of |
| 17:30.17 | Vajb | :p |
| 17:30.53 | KotCzarny | but it's also upgradeable |
| 17:30.54 | Vajb | making joke of laptop being on platform which rotates 5400rpm while user is stationary |
| 17:31.27 | KotCzarny | vajb, you know it would make typing tricky? |
| 17:31.42 | Vajb | yep |
| 17:31.56 | Vajb | also reading what u just wrote would be hard |
| 17:32.29 | Vajb | but u would go to 128gb ssd over 500gb 5400rpm anyday? |
| 17:32.41 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 17:32.47 | Vajb | i c |
| 17:32.52 | KotCzarny | unless you are storage creep |
| 17:32.59 | Vajb | so this is another twist on the plot |
| 17:33.05 | KotCzarny | but then 500gb is a lot too little |
| 17:34.12 | KotCzarny | if it has cd slot you can always put another drive there |
| 17:34.14 | Vajb | i am a bit of file hamster, but then again it is not for me (tho probably i end up using it anyway) |
| 17:34.50 | KotCzarny | my current t61 has 128gb ssd as the main drive and 500gb in the cd slot |
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| 17:35.09 | Vajb | yeah it has sd |
| 17:35.20 | KotCzarny | cd not sd:P |
| 17:35.28 | Vajb | errr sd/sdhc/sdxc/mmc |
| 17:35.47 | KotCzarny | http://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/B1065557451/Hard-Drive-Enclosure.jpg |
| 17:36.15 | Vajb | ooo just realized it lacks optical drive |
| 17:36.27 | KotCzarny | who uses them nowadays? |
| 17:36.30 | KotCzarny | seriously |
| 17:36.36 | Vajb | me |
| 17:36.40 | KotCzarny | what for? |
| 17:37.08 | Vajb | i loan audio book from library. Rip it to mp3. Listen at work and delete after. |
| 17:37.24 | KotCzarny | grab usb enclosure for that? |
| 17:38.19 | Vajb | possibility yes |
| 17:41.58 | Vajb | ah also other difference is win 10 vs win 8.1 |
| 17:42.16 | KotCzarny | he he |
| 17:42.18 | KotCzarny | both suck |
| 17:42.21 | KotCzarny | so doesnt matter |
| 17:47.00 | Vajb | i dont understand lenovo at all |
| 17:47.18 | Vajb | i can find g50-80 with millions of specs |
| 17:47.31 | KotCzarny | and? |
| 17:47.44 | KotCzarny | there should be subtype printed near the model too |
| 17:47.55 | Vajb | now i bumbled to one with 500gb hdd and optical drie |
| 17:48.11 | Vajb | drive* |
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| 19:01.22 | pigeons | i burn mp3s to cd to listen in the car to not worry about aux cables, device battery, leaving device in the car, skipping and finding my place in the track, etc |
| 19:01.34 | pigeons | but its physically wasteful |
| 19:01.51 | KotCzarny | pigeons: i use my n900 and just turn on the fm transmitter |
| 19:02.44 | pigeons | yeah i just like knowing no matter what i did to my phone my audibooks are still ready to go |
| 19:02.44 | KotCzarny | and oscp remembers last playing dir/track/position |
| 19:02.57 | KotCzarny | and has 'bookmarks' too |
| 19:03.18 | pigeons | yeah i always find it plays in my pocket accidentally or i run out of battery and lose a place etc |
| 19:03.28 | KotCzarny | and if you want to be super safe just keep them on the hdd and rsync to phone on changes |
| 19:03.45 | KotCzarny | buy bigger battery? |
| 19:03.55 | pigeons | i'd like to embed my extra n900 in the darshboard console |
| 19:04.22 | KotCzarny | pigeons, buy allwinner a20 based board |
| 19:04.27 | KotCzarny | and just add touchscreen |
| 19:04.38 | KotCzarny | much better for diy projects |
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| 21:51.52 | jonwil | hi |
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| 22:14.41 | Pali | hi! |
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| 23:12.04 | HRH_H_Crab | any u-boot experts in the place? |
| 23:12.15 | HRH_H_Crab | Pali: you still about? |
| 23:12.26 | Pali | HRH_H_Crab: yes |
| 23:12.37 | HRH_H_Crab | i wonder if you might be able to help. |
| 23:12.44 | Pali | ~ask |
| 23:12.44 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
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| 23:13.10 | HRH_H_Crab | sorry. :( |
| 23:15.21 | Pali | so ask |
| 23:15.32 | HRH_H_Crab | im not sure how specific or concise it is. |
| 23:16.11 | HRH_H_Crab | ive got some pointers about making an image / .scr and it doesnt make a lot of sense to me. |
| 23:16.25 | HRH_H_Crab | ive done a fair bit of googling but i cant seem to find anything that looks solid. |
| 23:17.11 | HRH_H_Crab | im sorry to have bothered you, i guess ill just try some stuff and see what happens / do more googling. if i come up with a more specific issue i might try my luck. sorry to have bothered you. |
| 23:17.53 | Pali | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 |
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| 23:18.23 | HRH_H_Crab | thanks. |
| 23:19.07 | Pali | http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=doc/README.nokia_rx51 |
| 23:22.18 | HRH_H_Crab | that is very handy indeed. |
| 23:22.19 | HRH_H_Crab | thanks! |
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