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09:08.32Vajbhmm strange, but after i accidentally dropped my phone few days ago so bad that battery got off, my gprs connection has been a lot more stable.
09:15.57KotCzarnyphysical abuse, the best fix-er-upper
09:19.17Vajbwell i wanted to speculate, if reboot could have done some magic? I mean more than 'pnatd at+cfun=0' does..
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13:23.09jskarvadHi could anybody help with http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96424?  I am searching for somebody who could remove the defective navit/maptool builds from fremantle-extras-devel repo
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15:01.04ceenejskarvad: what is needed is to upload new version
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15:28.29jskarvadceene: I am unable to contact the original uploader, and the uploaded deb files are broken - size mismatch
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15:37.24DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: ^^^^
15:38.14DocScrutinizer05freemangordon_: ^^^^
15:40.39ceenecapitanocrunch was here a few weeks ago asking for help to build these new packages
15:40.58ceenehe mentioned this github issue thread https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/62#issuecomment-170118637
15:41.06ceeneso maybe you can open a bug there
15:41.19ceeneand it'll probably arrive to the uploader
15:43.28DocScrutinizer05whit is the package to delete?
15:43.36DocScrutinizer05which
15:43.39ceeneall navit-* packages i think
15:43.43ceenelet me check
15:43.54DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/packages/view/navit/
15:44.48DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/27/plasma-desktopeW3616.png
15:45.36ceenenavit navit-data navit-graphics-gtk-drawing-area navit-gui-internal 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563
15:47.13ceenejskarvad: even if DocScrutinizer05 removes those packages, you should still try to reach the navit team through github issues, so they know to reupload it
15:48.19DocScrutinizer05I'm not even sure I really could and _should_ remove them
15:48.34DocScrutinizer05which repo?
15:49.08ceenethey are in extras-devel as far as i know
15:49.28ceenei mean, i also don't think it's something you should or shouldn't do
15:49.33DocScrutinizer05ouch, a pity. so I can't promote them
15:49.36ceeneupstream author should just upload it again
15:49.41jskarvadDocScrutinizer05, ceene: thanks, I have problem with maptool 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563, navit 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563, navit-data 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563, navit-gui-gtk 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563, navit-gui-internal 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563, navit-graphics-gtk-drawing-area 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563
15:50.15jskarvadI am still trying to contact navit upstream about this issue
15:50.37DocScrutinizer05I think the autobuilder has wrong checksum or something. Such is a known effect we seen before
15:50.56ceenecan you rerun the autobuilder?
15:51.10DocScrutinizer05I could if I could promote
15:51.29DocScrutinizer05there's nothing you could promote from, into devel
15:51.49M4rtinK2is the source package still somewhere ?
15:51.50DocScrutinizer05freemangordon_: ^^^ could you have a look
15:52.09M4rtinK2I guess it could just be reuploaded to the autobuilder input folder
15:52.10freemangordon_lemme see
15:52.15DocScrutinizer05of course, the source packages are stored
15:54.06freemangordon_sorry, I don;t get what the problem is
15:55.04M4rtinK2IIRC the issue is summarized in this thread: https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1499764
15:55.31ceenethat's right
15:55.44freemangordon_ok
16:03.39DocScrutinizer05let me know if I can help via administrative interface http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/27/plasma-desktopeW3616.png
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16:09.34DocScrutinizer05who's michelD aka tryagain?
16:10.01M4rtinK2if I understand it correctly
16:10.19M4rtinK2the package got submitted twice by mistake by tryagain
16:10.34M4rtinK2which confused autobuilder and corrupted the resulting package
16:10.42DocScrutinizer05he's not maintainer yet, only asked for maintainership
16:11.02ceenegiven his nick it's seems obvious that he'd try everything twice...
16:11.10ceenesorry, had to make the pun!
16:11.11DocScrutinizer05hehe
16:11.22DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/profile/view/tryagain/
16:11.31M4rtinK2so I guess either the current broken package could be removed & source package re-submitted
16:11.33DocScrutinizer05I'm tempted to approve maintainership
16:12.12DocScrutinizer05since it seems council doesn't take care about maintainership takeovers
16:12.16M4rtinK2or source package with higher version submitted, so that the binary package replaces the corrupted one
16:12.17M4rtinK2right ?
16:13.27M4rtinK2DocScrutinizer05: AFAIK jskarvad tried to contact tryagain on the navit IRC channel without success
16:13.49DocScrutinizer05hmm
16:13.56M4rtinK2DocScrutinizer05: so I guess he could be considered to be an unresponsive maintainer & maintainership reassigned ?
16:14.27M4rtinK2it usually works like that in that in other distros
16:14.27jskarvadhe could be on holidays
16:15.54jskarvadI also wrote him email few days ago on his navit contact
16:16.00jskarvadso far without reply
16:16.13DocScrutinizer05well, see his profile http://maemo.org/profile/view/tryagain/ and obviously the request for maintainership (http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/27/plasma-desktopKE3616.png) must be younger than that
16:17.05DocScrutinizer05xes: any coments on the navit problem?
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16:25.52xesDocScrutinizer05: i looked at the builds in cauldron and i didn't understood why the chksum error appeared
16:25.54DocScrutinizer05on http://maemo.org/packages/view/navit/ I see versions like "navit 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1~6534" which has a space it seems
16:26.33DocScrutinizer05we also once hat an general issue about iirc "+" vs "-" in package version names
16:26.41DocScrutinizer05had*
16:28.05DocScrutinizer05I don't understand the naming in http://maemo.org/packages/view/navit/
16:28.42xesi digged a lot about tryagain and even if it seems to be in the navit development team, he appears online 2 times a year...
16:29.17freemangordon_hmm, iirc the '~' symbols is the one that makes problems
16:29.21DocScrutinizer05does it hurt to grant maintainership to him?
16:29.31DocScrutinizer05freemangordon_: yep
16:29.39freemangordon_but anyway I don;t see how it should cause checksum errors
16:29.47freemangordon_*could
16:30.29DocScrutinizer05it's some weird stuff where an old package gets imported while the checksum etc is calculated from the new pkg iirc
16:30.40xesand if uploaded another package too fast while previous was still building?
16:30.55DocScrutinizer05yes, that too
16:31.07freemangordon_I don;t see it uploaded too fast, there is 4 days period between 2 versions
16:31.09DocScrutinizer05we should have a time ticket system there
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16:38.56DocScrutinizer05maximum useless interface of midgard: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/27/plasma-desktopBu3616.png - yet needs >60s to come up
16:42.12M4rtinK2I'm sure it does at least 50 JOINs internally
16:43.06xesupf... builder: builder1 ... builder: builder2
16:43.48DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/27/plasma-desktopPQ3616.png .oO(???!!??)
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16:52.04DocScrutinizer05there's a link I possibly could click on: "restore version 1.1" http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/27/plasma-desktopAK3616.png
16:52.54DocScrutinizer05nfc what it *really* will do though
16:53.16DocScrutinizer05ass-gard
16:56.24DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/packages/view/navit/ says "imported to testing" but clicking the link gives me 404 >>The requested URL /packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/navit// could not be found on this server.<<
17:01.05DocScrutinizer05on a GENERAL SIDENOTE:  https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1497990#post1497990 says "apt-get UPGRADE" on DEVEL! This is a sure bet how to kill your system
17:02.48RST38hDid it. Survived.
17:03.10M4rtinK2well, if you check what it proposes
17:03.17M4rtinK2before proceeding
17:04.19DocScrutinizer05actually I'm inclined to close as WONTFIX
17:04.35DocScrutinizer05resp INVALID
17:05.25DocScrutinizer05upgrade on devel is expected to show exactly this class of errors where packages have the potential to break the upgrade process or even kill your complete system
17:06.14jskarvadDocScrutinizer05: are you sure? I think the problem here is wrong metadata
17:06.24DocScrutinizer05yes, of course
17:06.51DocScrutinizer05but still this is a problem against the navit package
17:07.19DocScrutinizer05apt.get upgrade never been supposed to work the way it's tried there
17:08.14jskarvadI don't think it's about apt-get upgrade, the problem is that the recorder size doesn't match the package size
17:08.19jskarvadi.e. the repo is inconsistent
17:08.58M4rtinK2jskarvad: +1
17:09.32M4rtinK2it's not even possible to install the package right now, right ?
17:09.45DocScrutinizer05yes, as I said above, a problem in the navit package
17:10.22DocScrutinizer05also what really concerns me is: >>Developer replied that the build wasn't done by him, but by the 'tryagain' user. I am trying to reach him through the #navit freenode channel to rebuild the packages.<<
17:11.26DocScrutinizer05obviously tryagain didn't try to contact the developer? or developer!=maemo_maintainer here
17:12.22DocScrutinizer05it's a flaw in maemo autobuilder infra that every maintainer is free to upload arbitrary packages to builder, even when he's not maintainer of those packages
17:12.49M4rtinK2so, how do we fix this concrete issue ?
17:14.03DocScrutinizer05I suggest to remove the packages uploaded by tryagain, send tryagain a stern warning not to upload packages he's not approved maintainer of, and revert to the previous version (1.1)
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17:15.22M4rtinK2sounds good to me
17:15.28jskarvadDocScrutinizer05: +1
17:15.35DocScrutinizer05add warning about proper use of version strings and avoiding double uploads by all means, to the autobuilder web interface
17:17.35M4rtinK2that also sounds like a good idea
17:18.05M4rtinK2I wonder how hard it would be to add some rudimentary check if a build is not in progress ?
17:19.43xesDocScrutinizer05: drop the last build (if midgard can manage it)
17:20.02DocScrutinizer05shall I try the "revert to 1.1" link?
17:20.34DocScrutinizer05NB I have no clue about repos and the midgard stuff
17:20.53DocScrutinizer05freemangordon_: what do you think?
17:21.41freemangordon_I think it is better for the maintainer to reupload the package
17:21.52xes..last time i fixed a package using midgard i spent a long night fixing db tables by hand
17:22.02DocScrutinizer05sure, this would be the best solution, for now
17:22.20DocScrutinizer05err, make that "BUT for now..."
17:22.48DocScrutinizer05ok, xes convinced me to better not touch that stuff
17:23.12M4rtinK2so what about bumping version in the source package and uploading that ?
17:23.19DocScrutinizer05xes: you as well should have administrative access to midgard web UI, no?
17:23.31freemangordon_M4rtinK2: :nod:
17:24.28DocScrutinizer05I doubt tryagain had any evil intentions, and prolly the new package is just fine, only autobuilder didn't correctly handle the new version. A known affect
17:24.31xesDocScrutinizer05: yes. I'm just returning at home. A fullsize keyboard and screen would be better to give a look at it
17:24.34DocScrutinizer05effect even
17:24.58DocScrutinizer05xes: aaah I see. let's not rush this
17:25.48DocScrutinizer05is afk, shopping pending
17:26.05xesanyway... i would be a bit afraid using a package managed in that way
17:26.11jskarvadguys, thanks for looking on it
17:26.27DocScrutinizer05jskarvad: thanks for reporting and helping
17:28.31DocScrutinizer05xes: we should try to contact the _approved_ maintainer first
17:29.20DocScrutinizer05oooh woglinde   http://maemo.org/profile/view/woglinde/
17:34.31DocScrutinizer05MichaelD aka tryagain's email is @navit-project.org
17:36.33DocScrutinizer05~seen woglinde
17:36.34infobotwoglinde <~henning@fb-n15-11.unbelievable-machine.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 225d 9h 5m 23s ago, saying: 'hi bl'.
17:37.30xesDocScrutinizer05: i know every detail of the guy. I was worried he was ... malicious
17:37.40DocScrutinizer05tryagain?
17:37.57xesyep
17:38.29DocScrutinizer05ok, sufficient for me to never again consider giving him navit maintainership
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17:39.55DocScrutinizer05shall I reject the maintainership request?
17:40.42DocScrutinizer05meh, not my call anyway. Who's supposed to handle maintainership requests?
17:41.05DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/pending/
17:48.30xesi suppose it would be merlin1991. Isn't he the maintainer?
17:49.43DocScrutinizer05dunno, I guess garage at maemo.org should be the mail alias
17:52.09DocScrutinizer05didn't find maintanership-takeover requests but I guess they are handled identical to http://paste.opensuse.org/7141639
17:55.22DocScrutinizer05as a best practice (how it's been planned) I think, usually somebody applies for a new garage project or joins an existing one, then eventually requests upload privileges to extras for that particular project (so the maemo managers can check if the project is actually FOSS with correct GPL etc, simply by looking at the garage project)
17:57.48DocScrutinizer05it would be a nobrainer to grant maintainership_'takeover' (actually the new maintainer is simly added while the old one still keeps that property - IOW there may be more than one extras pkg maintainer) if the user requesting maintainership is already a contributing member in the associated garage project
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20:15.36DGFhi
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20:20.08DGFhello ?
20:20.36DocScrutinizer05hi
20:20.53DocScrutinizer05new to IRC?
20:22.34DGFhey, a little new, i wasnt using my n900 for quite awhile
20:23.21DocScrutinizer05a pity. But they always come back ;-)
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20:24.04DGFi just found it yesterday and there are some repos that dont work anymore, so i came here to ask if there is a list of currently working repos to be found somewhere ?
20:24.16DocScrutinizer05~repo
20:24.16infobotrumour has it, repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
20:24.41DocScrutinizer05or use the one-click install on
20:24.44DocScrutinizer05...
20:24.47DocScrutinizer05mompls
20:26.00DocScrutinizer05~jrrepos
20:26.00infobotsomebody said jrrepos was http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/
20:26.15DGFnice thanks :)
20:26.18DocScrutinizer05yw
20:26.52DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/muarf.install recommended
20:27.13DocScrutinizer05just click on the link
20:28.50DocScrutinizer05also see:
20:28.53DocScrutinizer05~cssu
20:28.53infobotsomebody said cssu was http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
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20:30.28DGFyeah i got it :) it's such a shame that nokia abandoned this project, still its great that the community can keep n900 alive, that's an awesome device :)
20:30.42DocScrutinizer05yes :-)
20:30.58DGFbrb
20:31.34DocScrutinizer05it just has one downside: you never would feel satisfied with any of the inferior crappy 'smartphones' after you got used to maemo and N900
20:32.46DocScrutinizer05on freeyourphone.de we had a nice one: "jailbreak?? LOL! On my phone I am root"
20:34.14DocScrutinizer05another pity: http://www.freeyourphone.de/ -> "This site has been temporarily disabled, please try again later."
20:42.59DocScrutinizer05@council: would you want to place http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/muarf.install onto web frontpage of maemo.org?
20:43.49DocScrutinizer05there's prolly nothing wrong with linking to an install file that links to a mirror
20:45.13DocScrutinizer05I'd suggest I create http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/recommended.install and you link to that one
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21:05.53DocScrutinizer05done: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/recommended.install
21:17.35DocScrutinizer05((navit)) see http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/navit/0.2.0~svn2916+dfsg.1-1maemo1/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nehmer_comments_comment_page=3
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