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03:07.57Luke-Jrok, so I'm giving up on fixing USB and moving to turning the backup N900 into my main one
03:08.09Luke-Jrwhat's the best firmware image to flash nowadays
03:08.11Luke-Jr?
03:20.12Luke-Jrand best way to backup/restore whatever's on there right now? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 seems last updated in 2012 :x
03:32.37Oksanano clue, unfortunately. I haven't tried to flash anything in a long time
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03:44.45Luke-Jr:x
03:48.43pigeonsi think i used the image from 2012, then enable cssu repos then update
03:51.29DocScrutinizer51~flashing
03:51.31infobotmethinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
03:52.00DocScrutinizer51~cssu
03:52.00infoboti guess cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
03:55.10DocScrutinizer51and fot mirgartion:
03:55.16DocScrutinizer51~bm
03:55.17infobotit has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
03:56.23Luke-Jrdownload page has dead links for "OS images to reflash your tablet: N900 - N810 - N800 - 770."
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03:57.21Luke-Jras does http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux_PC
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04:12.31MaxdamantusWouldn't it make more sense to copy your existing system to the current-backup device?
04:12.53MaxdamantusDon't need any flashing nonsense.
04:12.56DocScrutinizer51would you mind reading the full factoid?
04:19.04Luke-JrDocScrutinizer51: the latter says only for your personal use :p
04:19.22DocScrutinizer51your problem
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04:34.25Luke-Jr~flasher
04:34.25infobotflasher is, like, at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
04:34.42Luke-Jrhmm, what was the open source clone?
04:36.11Luke-JrMaxdamantus: is there a way to do that?
04:40.02MaxdamantusLuke-Jr: tar, netcat
04:40.18Luke-Jrlol
04:40.41Maxdamantusmaybe lzop in the middle (gzip -1 probably won't help if you're limited to N900's wifi)
04:40.52Luke-JrI happen to also have only 1 battery ;p
04:41.22MaxdamantusSo send it to a computer. That way it also works as a backup.
04:41.26Luke-Jrhow do you swap the old OS for the new one though?
04:41.40pigeonsthe open source one is 0xFFFF i think
04:41.44Maxdamantusunless you mean you need to have your phone usable over that period.
04:42.08MaxdamantusYou'd do that from something like rescueOS.
04:42.27Luke-Jr~0xffff
04:42.27infobot0xffff is probably https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996
04:42.43Maxdamantus~rescueos
04:42.43infobotrescueos is probably http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/
04:42.47Luke-Jrthx
04:43.20MaxdamantusIt's just a small system you can run in memory.
04:43.24Luke-Jrheh
04:43.36Luke-Jramy ideas on how to do rescueOS without a USB port? XD
04:43.57MaxdamantusI meant the copy to the target device.
04:44.20MaxdamantusYou should pretty much be okay tarring a live system.
04:44.28Luke-Jrk
04:44.57Luke-Jrponders if rsync is sufficient or if tar is necessary
04:45.18Maxdamantusrsync would be okay too.
04:45.38Maxdamantusthough you probably wouldn't want to do it over ssh tbh
04:45.54Maxdamantusunless you use one of the slower ciphers, maybe.
04:45.57Luke-Jreh, what else is going to provide me data integrity?
04:46.33Maxdamantusrsync probably provides it.
04:46.59Maxdamantusbut there's also TCP.
04:47.05Maxdamantusand ethernet.
04:47.17Maxdamantusthose all provide data integrityp.
04:47.30Luke-Jrnot really :p
04:49.02Maxdamantusand just checked, rsync does indeed checksum the things it sends.
04:49.25Maxdamantus(irrelevant to the checksum-based update test it can also do)
04:49.41Maxdamantusbut yes, really, those all provide data integrity.
04:50.34MaxdamantusOtherxwise you'd ocassionally see random corrupted messages on IRC, because IRC doesn't provide anything.
04:50.46Maxdamantus(it just relies on TCP being integral)
04:53.16Luke-JrI *do* see occasional corrupt messages on IRC.. <.<
04:53.24Luke-Jralthough I'm not sure it's because of that
04:53.46Luke-JrIRC is a lot less data though
04:54.47MaxdamantusYou might be seeing messages in different character encodings.
04:55.04Luke-Jrnah, it's backspace characters
04:55.09Luke-Jrwhen people actually mean to backspace
04:55.15Luke-Jranyway, rsyncd is not on Maemo :/
04:55.31Luke-Jrhow will I copy the kernel?
04:55.48Luke-Jralmost certain that the one on the new N900 doesn't have Thumb fixes
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05:03.27DocScrutinizer51Luke-Jr: install BM and copy your ols data to a uSD
05:07.25Luke-JrDocScrutinizer51: rsync+SSH is so much faster than uSD, is it good enough?
05:07.51Maxdamantusrync without SSH is probably a lot faster than rsync+SSH
05:07.53Luke-Jrwonders why uSD is so slow
05:08.10Maxdamantusie, when running a dedicated rsync server on one of the systems.
05:08.35MaxdamantusmicroSD is faster than WiFi for me atm
05:08.44Maxdamantusit seems to vary between cards.
05:09.11Luke-JrI have some Class 10 64G card
05:09.56MaxdamantusThe class classification also seems questionable.
05:10.38MaxdamantusSD cards do weird organisational things that make their performance difficult to predict.
05:10.42Luke-Jr:/
05:10.56Maxdamantusdepends highly on how you use it, how you've used it in the past, etc
05:13.35Luke-Jrext2? :P
05:15.19Maxdamantusext2 is only part of it.
05:15.54Maxdamantuswriting large files in sequence in ext2 is quite different to writing many small files in ext2.
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07:55.38Nenulihi. I was told by dimir to come here. I'm a journalist from Finland and would like to know if it's realistic that Turing Robotic Industries might start using maemo in their future phones
07:55.58NenuliI know most medias are reporting that they would start with sailfish, but the ceo explicitly mentioned maemo to us
07:56.07NenuliI work for a business daily called Kauppalehti
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08:06.28DefiantI wonder what there problem with sailfish is
08:06.52MaxdamantusShopping news.
08:08.34MaxdamantusI imagine it wouldn't be particularly unrealistic.
08:09.29Defiantisn't maemo a bit too outdated for new devices?
08:09.41Nenuliso it's possible to start developing an os based on maemo? is it fully open source nowadays?
08:09.49MaxdamantusWhat do you mean by "maemo" and "outdated"?
08:10.25MaxdamantusThe software people are running on their N900s is outdated in the sense that they're running a really old version of Linux with a really old version of glibc and an old version of Xorg, etc
08:10.48MaxdamantusMost of the components that make Maemo what it is aren't exactly outdated.
08:11.15MaxdamantusIt's not fully open source, but it's more open source that it was when Nokia released it.
08:11.40MaxdamantusPeople have made replacements for various closed source components for various reasons.
08:12.48MaxdamantusThe effort there will probably need to continue to support the Neo900 too, so it might be relatively easy for other devices to take advantage of that.
08:13.50Nenuliokay. what would be the advantage of starting with maemo opposed to starting with sailfish then?
08:15.17MaxdamantusI imagine it would mostly be to do with what the users want as an OS.
08:16.16MaxdamantusI suspect Maemo/N900 is perceived as less like a typical phone OS.
08:20.02Nenulibut would TRI get maemo for free? so that might be an advantage?
08:20.11NenuliI presume they would have to pay to jolla for using sailfish
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09:15.51KotCzarnyluke-jr: idea, consider soldering cable to usb pad then glueing the port somewhere else?
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09:16.27KotCzarnyor even preparing contact pad and making a clip to keep it in place (if not soldering)
09:16.53Luke-Jrout of time, unfortunately. maybe I can revisit when I get back :/
09:16.55KotCzarnykind of piece of plastic with traces that will contact the pad on the board
09:17.14KotCzarnyyeah, just an idea so you can still use the broken one as a devel device
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09:54.30Luke-Jrhow do you get a SSH server on rescueOS? :/
09:56.10KotCzarnyi think telnet is tarted by default
09:56.12KotCzarnytelnetd
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10:28.40Luke-JrAll 1024 scanned ports on 192.168.2.15 are closed
10:31.41Maxdamantus`which sshd`
10:31.53Maxdamantusor: $(which sshd)
10:32.06MaxdamantusMight not be able to type the backticks.
10:33.37MaxdamantusActually, there is no sshd.
10:34.12Maxdamantusbut yeah, there's telnet .. /rescueOS/enabletelnet.sh
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10:41.04freddraises pitch fork
10:41.20freddceene where is my Yappari 2.0.27 fixing lost messages!?
10:42.07freddalso admits shyly he kind of got addicted to voting packages to extras.
10:42.53bencohhm.
10:43.47fredd!seen joppu
10:44.24bencohinfobot: !
10:45.23freddI need joppu to push through Array theme 1.2 to testing-extras (been in devel for 5 years now).
10:45.25fredd:c
10:46.28freddhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/array-theme/
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11:10.21ceenefredd: that'll take a long time
11:10.26ceeneit'll be 3.0.0 in fact
11:10.34ceeneas it'll be based on a different WA library
11:10.42ceeneand will probably have less features than current one
11:10.52ceeneuntil little by little i can change all the api calls to the new
11:11.05ceenefredd: do you know how to code? :)
11:12.23freddI once pointed a pointer to a random memory address and assigned true to it and I had to buy a new computer.
11:14.10MaxdamantusWere you in real mode?
11:14.15ceenethat shouldn't happen unless we're talking about UEFI computers
11:14.20ceenewhich go to hell when you rm -rf /sys
11:14.36Maxdamantusor maybe on a system without an MMU.
11:17.06freemangordon_YAY, managed to bring tidspbridge up on 4.5-rc5 :)
11:17.16ceenegreat!!
11:18.23freemangordon_yep, now the hard part begins :D
11:18.30ceenethat was the easy one?
11:18.35freemangordon_yeah
11:19.05freemangordon_now it needs to be migrated to DMA API, IOMMU API and remoteproc :D
11:19.12freemangordon_and whatnot else
11:19.28freemangordon_to be in a shape close to what is needed for upstreaming
11:22.24freemangordon_anyone want to help?
11:23.17ceenei'd like to, but i don't think i have the knowledge
11:23.30ceenei don't even know what's the tidspbridge for
11:23.34freemangordon_noone has it
11:24.03freemangordon_IVA2 aka DSP - the one that is used to decode videos via HW on N900
11:25.41bencohfreemangordon_: \o/
11:26.14bencohI really should've bought a dev n900
11:26.35freemangordon_is it late now?
11:27.13bencohit's harder here than in europe
11:27.39freemangordon_aah
11:31.48MaxdamantusI bought one off eBay then a few days later one appeared on the main trading site in our country for the first time since August.
11:31.59Maxdamantusso I bought that too.
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11:57.12freemangordon_oh, it even plays video when booted in maemo with 4.5, am I good :p
12:02.08DocScrutinizer51wow
12:02.56freemangordon_well, video skips frames as I hardcoded DSP freq to 90MHz, but still
12:14.03KotCzarnyfreemangordon, the maemo hero!
12:14.28KotCzarnyhands the golden crowbar as a sign of appreciation
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12:19.26freemangordon_:)
12:41.22DocScrutinizer51so mafw can use DSP now?
12:41.46DocScrutinizer51the hardcoding sounds like a minor fix
12:44.18freemangordon_DocScrutinizer51: hmm? can't parse
12:44.25freemangordon_aah, got it
12:45.00freemangordon_DocScrutinizer51: keep in mind we talk linux 4.5 here, in stock kernel it has always been the case
12:45.21DocScrutinizer51yep, of course
12:45.52freemangordon_yes, I can now play "Nokia N900" and "9" videos in mediaplayer
12:46.07freemangordon_(freshly flashed device, so no other videos)
12:46.19DocScrutinizer51I only read the  last maybe 50 lines of backscroll
12:46.32DocScrutinizer51audio?
12:46.37freemangordon_no audio
12:46.50freemangordon_PA is broken with mainline
12:47.17DocScrutinizer51fsck
12:47.28freemangordon_there are 2 more major subsystems to be fixed, cameras and audio
12:47.43freemangordon_everything else more or less works
12:48.16DocScrutinizer51freqgovernor?
12:48.24freemangordon_well, acually audio works, it is PA that doesn;t know how to use it
12:48.31freemangordon_CPUFREQ_DT works
12:48.40DocScrutinizer51:)
12:49.13freemangordon_also, according to tmlind, with a couple of fixes from him (to be in mainline soon) deep idle states work as well
12:49.57DocScrutinizer51good
12:50.07DocScrutinizer51zzztop
12:50.41freemangordon_DocScrutinizer05: http://pastebin.com/TZ1tv7G1
12:51.23DocScrutinizer51I'd be surprised if it works in 45 without patching it
12:51.31freemangordon_it works
12:51.33freemangordon_:)
12:51.38DocScrutinizer51sorry, N900
12:52.09DocScrutinizer51pastebin is a tad inconvenient
12:52.18freemangordon_sorrry, I am used to it
12:52.22DocScrutinizer51wow, great to hear it works
12:52.26freemangordon_see http://pastebin.com/j4xpbskF
12:52.38freemangordon_this is with charger connected
12:55.40KotCzarnyum
12:55.50KotCzarnyhow about f*cking PA and just using alsa?
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12:56.43freemangordon_feel free to try it
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13:20.23ceenethe only thing is the filters to avoid frying speakers
13:26.21HRH_H_Crabhi all, its time for my six-monthly period of wondering if i can put vanilladebian on my n900 (ideally with a recent kernel). there seem to have been various projects around all of this stuff, is the general feeling that his is the way to go: https://github.com/dderby/debian900 ?
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13:57.52bencohHRH_H_Crab: looks like we're getting close :)
13:59.19HRH_H_Crabbencoh: what do you mean?
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19:06.45ceeneKotCzarny: how's oscp upload going?
19:07.41KotCzarnynot promising anything, but i will try to do it thise weekend/next week
19:08.53ceenewhere's download for x86?
19:09.06KotCzarnyon sourceforge
19:09.21KotCzarnyhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/oscp/files/binaries/
19:09.31KotCzarnyremember to install libao
19:09.52ceeneok, I'm gonna try it now
19:10.19KotCzarnyversion is quite old (>3 months), so i have to update that build too at the same time
19:10.59ceeneshould i use the i586 version?
19:11.20KotCzarnyi586 is for old boxes, that dont have sse*
19:11.26ceeneah, ok
19:11.33ceenethis one is new
19:11.56KotCzarnyif you have sse then you can grab the regular one
19:11.59KotCzarnyboth will work anyway
19:41.28ds3dev n900?
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20:36.07ceeneKotCzarny: which is the server?
20:36.35ceenemaybe it's on the tmo thread and i can leave you alone
20:45.33ceeneah, i got it now, -L port
20:50.24DocScrutinizer51~botsnack
20:50.24infobotaw, gee, DocScrutinizer51
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21:00.48KotCzarnyceene: try -h
21:00.53KotCzarnyand ~/.oscp.conf
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