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| 04:58.37 | Luke-Jr | yep, that USB port is totally broken :/ |
| 04:59.10 | Luke-Jr | freddd: charge cable snagged getting off a plane. the cable ripped, and the potr has been unreliable since |
| 04:59.16 | Luke-Jr | before getting on the plane, it broke off entirely |
| 04:59.26 | Luke-Jr | hope i can solder it back on.. |
| 05:00.02 | Luke-Jr | switched to my backup N900 on the flight |
| 05:06.05 | Maxdamantus | 12:12:39 < Pali> and here you want to disable keyboard |
| 05:06.23 | Maxdamantus | If Xorg isn't processing your keyboard input so you can't press ctrl |
| 05:06.52 | Maxdamantus | er, ctrl+alt+f1, you can still use some sysrq combination to switch the input mode then use alt+f1 |
| 05:07.46 | Maxdamantus | ctrl+alt+sysrq+r |
| 05:09.02 | Maxdamantus | That can also be useful if you accidentally `cat /dev/console` within Xorg sometime. |
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| 07:54.43 | freddd | ceene: 10 days quarantine and >10 karma. Today is the 10th day. Five more votes needed. |
| 07:57.36 | freddd | ceene: do you think you could resolve that package dependency issue in i386? |
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| 08:25.52 | KotCzarny | afair for packages in free you only need 6 votes |
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| 08:53.48 | ceene | freddd: I guess I can solve it, yes |
| 08:53.52 | ceene | but it'd have to be for next release |
| 08:54.15 | ceene | I don't believe anyone is trying to run yappari on x86 except for me, which I only do while developing, so I don't install the package itself |
| 08:54.37 | ceene | site for yappari package says karma 6 out of 6 |
| 08:54.45 | ceene | so i guess some time in the future it'll get autopromoted to extras? |
| 08:55.59 | freddd | ceene it would be convenient for future development, in case another maintainer picks up, or so. |
| 08:56.12 | freddd | I will ask in #maemo-devel (although it is very quiet there). |
| 08:59.58 | bencoh | freddd: maemo-devel isn't really an active channel :) |
| 09:00.27 | bencoh | maemo-related stuff happens, or in maemo-ssu (in case of CSSU dev/reports) |
| 09:00.33 | bencoh | happens here* |
| 09:02.43 | freddd | Well I am glad so far active voting is being done on the Yappari package. |
| 09:02.50 | freddd | I think mainly because of the recent mentioning in the thread. |
| 09:02.55 | freddd | Rather than here in the IRC channel. |
| 09:04.19 | bencoh | you probably gathered that most of the people that actively read the chan hardly use whatsapp ;) |
| 09:08.56 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:10.16 | ceene | not even the developer uses it very much |
| 09:11.27 | freddd | It is pretty much the only method of doing popular free texting. |
| 09:11.37 | freddd | Sadly. |
| 09:12.19 | freddd | What do you guys do for free texting on your N900? |
| 09:13.09 | ceene | most of the time i'm sitting in front of a computer |
| 09:13.15 | ceene | so... jabber, irc, telegram |
| 09:23.01 | KotCzarny | irc/mail |
| 09:23.32 | KotCzarny | and some texting popular in this particular country |
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| 11:14.37 | freddd | ceene: telegram is available on N900? |
| 11:17.29 | ceene | freddd: as far as i know there's only a cli version |
| 11:17.39 | freddd | do you telegram on your n900? |
| 11:17.41 | ceene | nope |
| 11:18.05 | ceene | i was thinking that the gui of yappari could be used for telegram library |
| 11:18.32 | ceene | there are a lots of things I could do... but i don't have the time and sometimes the knowledge to do them |
| 11:19.46 | freddd | ceene why did you never just work on a back-end plugin for the already existing front-end in Maemo? |
| 11:19.54 | freddd | I love the unified messaging UI of Maemo. |
| 11:20.09 | ceene | well, I got over yappari development only a year and half ago |
| 11:20.20 | ceene | most of it was already done before i even had a n900 |
| 11:20.56 | ceene | so i can't really answer as to why Scorpius, who is the original coder, decided to do a new thing from scratch |
| 11:21.04 | ceene | maemo frontend however is not very complete |
| 11:21.11 | ceene | i don't think it supports media |
| 11:21.27 | ceene | doesn't support 'read' acks |
| 11:21.36 | ceene | so it's generally lacking |
| 11:22.03 | ceene | i think yappari's GUI is better than stock messaging app |
| 11:22.16 | ceene | maybe it is this GUI the one that could be improved and made the main gui app for maemo |
| 11:22.22 | ceene | and use telepathy backend |
| 11:22.38 | ceene | and whatsapp specific code transformed into a telepathy plugin, alongside telegram, etc |
| 11:24.51 | ceene | as i said, lots of work |
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| 11:26.39 | ceene | ah, about telegram, there's a plugin for pidgin |
| 11:26.46 | ceene | that gives you a gui |
| 11:26.51 | ceene | it's not very cool, though |
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| 13:34.25 | jpt9 | I just found my old 770, and it doesn't seem to boot -- I just get a white screen. Is there any way to try reflashing the device? |
| 13:34.48 | jpt9 | (I have 0xFFFF on Linux, and it can see the device, but I have no idea if the files I'd be flashing are still available anywhere.) |
| 13:39.10 | jpt9 | The files aren't on maemo.org, and even when I check the Internet Archive, it wants to verify the product ID, which obviously won't work on an archived version of the page. |
| 13:40.39 | KotCzarny | http://www.cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_N770_Internet_Tablet_SU-18_firmware_data_package_download |
| 13:40.44 | KotCzarny | maybe those mirrors still work |
| 13:49.54 | bencoh | iirc arhive.org has the required files |
| 13:50.10 | bencoh | (look for the skeiron.org mirror at archive.org) |
| 13:50.46 | jpt9 | Well, I found a fiasco image for the 2008HE for it, but I don't think it's working... |
| 13:51.16 | KotCzarny | maybe there is another problem with your 770? |
| 13:51.22 | jpt9 | It keeps trying to flash it, but I get "Primary image not loaded" followed by "Error: Flashing failed". |
| 13:51.28 | jpt9 | (Also, it seems to keep rebooting on its own.) |
| 13:51.49 | jpt9 | (And I think something's wrong with the screen.) |
| 13:54.39 | jpt9 | Also, 0xFFFF can't seem to detect any of the info about the device -- all the versions are listed as "(not detected)" |
| 13:54.50 | jpt9 | Wonder if the eMMC is just dead or something. |
| 14:00.04 | enyc | Hrrm..... thinking about maemo and really useful easy-debian chroot etc... |
| 14:00.32 | enyc | This needs updated images for jessie-armhf ... wheezy-armel is about to go out of support (and not covered by LTS on wheezy i386/amd64!!) |
| 14:01.11 | enyc | i'm not quite sure how the original images were made, they had various fiddles/hacks for pulseaudio and stuff |
| 14:02.18 | bencoh | jpt9: try the nokia flasher version (?) |
| 14:02.32 | bencoh | I dunno if 0xffff has been thoroughly tested with n7xx |
| 14:02.36 | enyc | such that its' not straightforward to dist-upgrade, and in any case, using armhf and ext4 disk image would be highly desireable and aiui works under power kernel |
| 14:02.39 | enyc | any ideas?? |
| 14:03.33 | bencoh | enyc: I think all you need is a patched libc but I might be wrong |
| 14:04.09 | bencoh | ah right, pulseaudio too if you want to communicate with the main pulseaudio server |
| 14:04.45 | enyc | bencoh: is there a document/wiki on this ?? |
| 14:04.55 | enyc | bencoh: contact with any who created the original images (estel??) |
| 14:05.18 | enyc | bencoh: how/why would libc need patching? |
| 14:05.50 | enyc | from what I can see jessie can still boot on 2.6.32 at least , it may work with the maemo old power kernel hrrm |
| 14:19.35 | jpt9 | Trying a different flasher on Windows. (I haven't found the Nokia one yet.) Currently waiting for Windows to find the drivers for my 770 in update mode. |
| 14:23.33 | jpt9 | And it couldn't find it. |
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| 14:39.13 | bencoh | enyc: because iirc it needs something introduced around the 2.6.32 |
| 14:39.25 | bencoh | enyc: there is some info about this on TMO |
| 14:40.02 | bencoh | jpt9: https://web.archive.org/web/20131117073526/http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/d3/ |
| 14:43.40 | jpt9 | Just tried the Linux one from there; it can't seem to connect to the device. |
| 14:45.10 | jpt9 | Also, I think it might be booting -- I'm not sure. The screen's unreadable. |
| 14:46.09 | jpt9 | Does it eventually automatically show up as a USB device when booted? |
| 14:46.22 | jpt9 | (I remember having to manually tell it to show up as USB storage.) |
| 14:47.16 | jpt9 | (Or does that only provide access to the RS-MMC card?) |
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| 15:19.06 | bencoh | jpt9: lsusb ? |
| 15:20.16 | enyc | bencoh: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34550&highlight=debian+libc&page=323 |
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| 15:23.15 | jpt9 | bencoh: Hang on... I just dug out my old ThinkPad T61, which is still 32-bit. I'm going to try the Nokia updater on it. |
| 15:24.26 | enyc | jpt9: i believe, the nokia apdated has worked on 64bit system using ia32-libs, but it more seemeed like certain systems/chipsets/usb/whatever weren't being compatible but not sure now been ages since i tried =) |
| 15:34.42 | enyc | bencoh: thankyou for suggestion TMO etc... useful =) |
| 15:34.52 | enyc | i wonder why the old easy-debian images were armel at all |
| 15:35.41 | bencoh | ? |
| 15:37.27 | enyc | bencoh: older images, squeeze wheezy etc.... |
| 15:37.36 | enyc | bencoh: looks like armhf didn't exist in squeeze days |
| 15:42.10 | KotCzarny | jpt9: you can also boot some 32bit livecd |
| 15:44.52 | jpt9 | I'm assuming the Windows updater installs whatever drivers it needs? |
| 15:51.46 | bencoh | I personally wouldn't even try windows, but... |
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| 16:28.02 | jpt9 | Got it working. Had to unload the cdc_phonet kernel module; version 3.0 of the 64-bit Linux flasher is working. |
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| 16:44.57 | jpt9 | Now... what can I do with a freshly-flashed 770 if I can't read what's on the screen? |
| 16:45.36 | bencoh | hm? |
| 16:47.35 | jpt9 | Well, I managed to reflash it, but there's still something wrong with the screen. (I think it died today -- I got a few readable blue Nokia logos this morning.) |
| 16:49.02 | Pali | jpt9: is 0xFFFF working with 770? |
| 16:49.12 | jpt9 | Pali: I couldn't get it to work. |
| 16:49.25 | Pali | so 0xFFFF does not work? |
| 16:49.37 | Pali | I do not have 770, so I was not able to test it |
| 16:49.45 | jpt9 | I'm assuming the update reflashes the entire card (including /home), since it's now displaying what I assume are the out-of-box setup routines? |
| 16:50.12 | Pali | depends on what are you trying to reflash |
| 16:50.14 | Pali | which image |
| 16:50.16 | jpt9 | Hang on... I didn't try it after I unloded the cdc_phonet kernel module. |
| 16:50.20 | jpt9 | The fiasco one. |
| 16:50.47 | Pali | 0xFFFF should unload kernel modules if needed |
| 16:50.59 | Pali | if not this is bug in 0xFFFF |
| 16:51.27 | Pali | anyway, in 0xFFFF git is new version which uses new libusb1.0 library |
| 16:51.37 | Pali | so some problems with usb communication should be fixed |
| 16:52.08 | Pali | if there are problems with 0xFFFF and 770 I can try to fix it |
| 16:52.33 | jpt9 | Just to double check, I'm running 0xFFFF -M ~/SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f |
| 16:53.01 | Pali | thats looks ok, but need to run as root |
| 16:53.08 | Pali | but first try to identify device |
| 16:54.48 | jpt9 | Identifying it sort of works. It doesn't managed to get all the information listed. (I built the latest git version.) |
| 16:54.51 | jpt9 | http://pastebin.com/ihwRHNrM |
| 16:56.18 | Pali | can you send me lsusb -v output? (under root) |
| 16:56.30 | Pali | also do you have some nokia flasher? |
| 16:57.15 | jpt9 | I think? I've got flasher-3.0.amd64, which worked. |
| 16:57.34 | jpt9 | It doesn't say it's Nokia, though. |
| 17:00.11 | jpt9 | Pali: http://pastebin.com/NF0U0NcY (lsusb output) |
| 17:00.30 | jpt9 | (I'm running the 64-bit version of Xubuntu 15.10 on a ThinkPad X220, if that matters.) |
| 17:01.23 | Pali | flasher-3.0.amd64 is probably static linked and for debugging static linked elf binaries are useles |
| 17:01.43 | Pali | that garbage in R&D flags looks like some bug |
| 17:02.22 | jpt9 | Pali: Actually, that might've been me. Think I might have accidentally written the name of the file I was trying to flash there by accident or something.) |
| 17:02.33 | Pali | you have 64bit machine, go to 0xFFFF/src dir and call: make libusb-sniff-64.so |
| 17:03.30 | Pali | this will build library for debugging |
| 17:03.30 | jpt9 | Done. What now? |
| 17:03.33 | jpt9 | Ah. |
| 17:03.48 | Pali | and then run 0xFFFF as: sudo LD_PRELOAD=./libusb-sniff-64.so ./0xFFFF --params |
| 17:03.55 | Pali | and try to identify device again |
| 17:04.07 | Pali | $ sudo LD_PRELOAD=./libusb-sniff-64.so ./0xFFFF -I |
| 17:04.23 | Pali | it will print all usb packets to stdout |
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| 17:04.41 | Pali | this will help me identify why it get such garbage |
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| 17:06.59 | jpt9 | It's giving a bit more debugging info (I think), but it's not printing packets: http://pastebin.com/TgJrnDvT |
| 17:08.20 | Pali | ah, its broken |
| 17:08.26 | Pali | w8, I will fix it |
| 17:25.17 | Pali | jpt9: should be fixed in git on github |
| 17:26.31 | Pali | jpt9: libusb-sniff on 0xFFFF now show me usb packets from n900 device |
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| 17:30.31 | Pali | git pull && make && make libusb-sniff-64.so |
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| 17:40.18 | Pali | jpt9: and now I fixed that garbage for R&D flags |
| 17:40.42 | Pali | missing buffer initialization, thanks for report! |
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| 18:00.54 | jpt9 | Pali: http://pastebin.com/3Dd9rtM9 |
| 18:01.20 | kerio | who was talking about updating NSS in microb? |
| 18:01.40 | KotCzarny | jonwil? |
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| 18:06.10 | Pali | jpt9: ok, looks like nolo on 770 does not send version information |
| 18:06.50 | Pali | jpt9: can you try to query R&D flags via flasher-3.0.amd64? |
| 18:07.38 | kerio | we really ought to compile chacha20-poly1305 in it |
| 18:14.03 | jpt9 | Pali: http://pastebin.com/dXU4rf9V |
| 18:14.34 | jpt9 | Don't think it lists the flags. |
| 18:14.45 | jpt9 | Or maybe I broke something? |
| 18:14.56 | jpt9 | (As in wrote something invalid to them with another tool?) |
| 18:17.06 | Pali | jpt9: does not have that nokia flasher some param which show R&D flags? |
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| 18:19.03 | jpt9 | I used --query-rd-mode Query the device R&D mode status and flags |
| 18:19.10 | jpt9 | Which I think should get the flags. |
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| 18:19.16 | Pali | yes |
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| 18:19.20 | jpt9 | Hang on... rebooting... |
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| 18:21.59 | jpt9 | Back. |
| 18:22.00 | Pali | jpt9: do you have 32bit version of flasher (name flasher-3.0)? |
| 18:22.25 | jpt9 | No; I've just got the 64-bi version. |
| 18:22.37 | jpt9 | (I couldn't get the 32-bit one to run.) |
| 18:22.37 | Pali | that one is dynamically linked and so sniffer will work with it |
| 18:23.05 | Pali | you just need 32bit libusb-0.1.so.4 lib |
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| 18:23.42 | jpt9 | Pali: When I try running it, I get a "No such file or directory" message, which is rather odd. |
| 18:23.58 | jpt9 | (I suppose I'd expect something more verbose if it was an issue with 32 vs 64-bit.) |
| 18:24.08 | Pali | maybe you do not have 32bit libs available in system |
| 18:24.29 | Pali | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
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| 19:35.30 | Pali | jpt9: your output is correct |
| 19:35.46 | Pali | 0xFFFF parsed data correctly |
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| 20:26.01 | ecc3g | i need to take my n900 apart... some of the inside screws seem loose and catching each other on the slide... |
| 20:26.21 | ecc3g | so so lazy... or rather, worried about making it worse than it is. |
| 20:33.10 | bencoh | read the service manuals first :) |
| 20:34.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, strongly recommended. There are hardly any "inside screws" that could cause trouble. What's known though is slider magnet getting loose |
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| 20:35.30 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: aren't there 4 screws (two apparent)? |
| 20:36.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are 6 screws which hold the screen half together |
| 20:36.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | those are the only ones that might get loose and cause trouble while sliding |
| 20:37.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you got 4 Philips screws visible in battery compartment that hold the complete slider mech in place, but thiose won't have any impact on the slider operation |
| 20:39.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | two of the 6 screws in display half are visible when slider open |
| 20:45.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://pdadb.net/download/nokia_n900_rx-51_service_manual_l1-l2_v1_0.pdf |
| 20:46.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/23/plasma-desktopPq3616.png |
| 20:56.09 | ecc3g | my guess is that screws 1 and 2 are loose and hitting the slider. Unfortunately it looks like I have to do quite a bit of disassembly to retighten... I might well investigate the earpiece speaker at the same time. |
| 21:07.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need to do any large disassembling for reaching the screws. Just unscrew the the 4 philips in pic #6 and carefully disconnect the flat flex cable (pic 7) |
| 21:14.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need any of the other disassembly steps |
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| 23:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-02-23 Tue 23:55:25] [Notice] -tomaw- [Global Notice] Hi all, I need to restart one of the network hubs. This will break the network for a short while but it should only last a few minutes. |
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| 23:04.05 | kerio | indeed |
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| 23:17.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack |
| 23:17.27 | infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer05 |
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