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| 01:20.03 | Oksana | Hmm... A thought: there should be possibility for integration between address book (contacts) and Image:Creator (or Audio:Artist ) tags of tracker. Not sure what the use-case would be, but, if you want to ask the file's creator about something, the integration would be useful. |
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| 02:46.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | you öost me |
| 02:46.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/ö/l/ |
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| 04:23.59 | Oksana | I mean, why should image's creator be a useless text field, when it could be connected to a contact in address book, email, phone number, and all? |
| 04:46.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | image:creator and audio:artist are mist likely fields derived in tracker database from scanning EXIF resp ID3 tags in picture / mp3 files. I can't see how a useful and semantically meaningful link to addressbook could look like, except maybe a generic "copy to copybuffer and search in all apps" function that's available systemwide |
| 04:48.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | so *if* I had Frank Zappa in my addressbook, I could use that function to find that addrbook entry when I watch the properties of a mp3 file |
| 04:48.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and see "audio:creator: Frank Zappa" |
| 04:51.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | likewise I should be able to use same global search function when watching my addrbook entry of Zappa, to find all mp3 and jpeg files on my system where Zappa is in title or any other file property |
| 04:53.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I should be able to find Zappa's addrbook entry from a website that tells about the phone number of a mysterious guitar genius |
| 04:55.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | heck I even should find Zappa's addrbook entry when marking a complete website of a restaurant and starting the global search, when that restaurant is in the same street same town as Zappa's flat |
| 04:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | create a regex pattern for the global search by another regex substituation s/ *[[:alnum:]]{0,3}/|/ |
| 05:00.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka "search for any word >3 char of the copy buffer, in all apps" |
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| 07:51.25 | ceene | even if you really like Zappa that sounds like stalking to me :D |
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| 08:12.19 | Sicelo | d |
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| 08:18.18 | kerio | ceene: nah, it's necrophilia |
| 08:18.21 | kerio | zappa died in 93 :( |
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| 08:44.17 | ceene | that doesn't sound any better... |
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| 09:07.54 | freddd | Does anyone here use Yappari on Maemo? |
| 09:07.58 | freddd | The WhatsApp client? |
| 09:13.07 | freddd | If anyone here does use Yappari, please thumbs up the package here so we can have it pushed through to stable extras (current Yappari in that repository does not work): |
| 09:13.14 | freddd | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/yappari/2.0.26/ |
| 09:13.20 | freddd | and: |
| 09:13.20 | freddd | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_i386/yappari/2.0.26/ |
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| 09:42.04 | zGrr | moin |
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| 10:00.29 | ceene | freddd: i even put a big red request on the frontpage |
| 10:00.32 | ceene | nobody seems to care at all |
| 10:00.34 | ceene | :( |
| 10:01.01 | freddd | There is a lot on the first page. |
| 10:01.17 | freddd | I asked here, in the thread and also asked in #maemo-devel for promotion. |
| 10:01.20 | ceene | should i remove some things? |
| 10:01.26 | ceene | but... it's a big red warning! |
| 10:01.27 | ceene | lol |
| 10:01.30 | ceene | people won't read anything? |
| 10:01.36 | freddd | No I think you need to just ask people specifically. |
| 10:02.18 | ceene | i could held releases hostage until people upvote |
| 10:02.36 | freddd | Perhaps. |
| 10:02.47 | freddd | Only higher than 10 karma is required. |
| 10:03.01 | freddd | That is not much we need 10 people. |
| 10:03.02 | freddd | To vote. |
| 10:03.54 | freddd | 8 - 9 more right now. |
| 10:04.08 | freddd | If we just ask around and in this channel if anyone uses Yappari and if they would like to upvote it to extras. |
| 10:04.42 | ceene | i've asked here quite a few times |
| 10:04.56 | freddd | There are 171 people. |
| 10:05.02 | freddd | I am sure we can get a few to vote if they use it. |
| 10:05.04 | freddd | And like it. |
| 10:05.04 | ceene | some time later i'll poke Sicelo with a stick, I know he uses it :P |
| 10:05.14 | freddd | Good! Poke people directly. |
| 10:05.16 | freddd | I will keep trying as well. |
| 10:05.22 | ceene | thank you, freddd :) |
| 10:05.43 | freddd | 14 days of quarantine in extras-testing and karma of >10 needed. |
| 10:06.22 | ceene | just so you know, there's a chance that I can get textsecure to work with yappari |
| 10:06.32 | freddd | I do not know what that is. |
| 10:06.37 | freddd | But I think it is best to not push out a new update. |
| 10:06.42 | freddd | Until we have it in extras. |
| 10:06.42 | ceene | that's the encryption behind whatsapp |
| 10:06.47 | ceene | that is making us right now lose some messages |
| 10:06.51 | ceene | because they are being sent ciphered |
| 10:06.52 | freddd | Otherwise we just have to start over the vote with the next release. |
| 10:07.09 | ceene | na, don't worry, i still don't have anything ready yet |
| 10:07.12 | ceene | but the future looks good :) |
| 10:08.04 | zGrr | do you know guys how is neo900 project going? |
| 10:10.53 | freddd | ceene collecting testers who are willing to test and vote each update, would be good. |
| 10:10.56 | freddd | I know I would be willing to do that. |
| 10:11.09 | freddd | To get it in extras quick. |
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| 15:21.18 | freddd | Does anyone here use Yappari on Maemo? |
| 15:22.11 | freddd | ceene four votes so far. Did you ask anyone yet? |
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| 15:25.13 | freddd | If you use Yappari (the WhatsApp client) for Maemo, please vote to have it in extras here: |
| 15:25.21 | freddd | armel (usually what is used): maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/yappari/2.0.26/ |
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| 15:25.48 | freddd | Or if you use i386 (not really used): http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_i386/yappari/2.0.26/ |
| 15:25.48 | ceene | freddd: nop, I think my latest post on the thread has been enough of a threat to someone... |
| 15:26.02 | freddd | The page says 4 out of 6. |
| 15:26.21 | freddd | I wonder if only 6 votes are required instead of >10 as mentioned on the extras-testing wiki page. |
| 15:26.35 | ceene | there's at least someone who has voted because of that post... |
| 15:26.39 | ceene | and has said so |
| 15:26.49 | freddd | Yeah, hopefully more will come. Not that many votes are needed. |
| 15:27.03 | freddd | And I really think it is time to replace the deprecated version that no longer works at all. |
| 15:27.29 | ceene | yeah, it's not like we're asking to vote each and every new release |
| 15:28.22 | freddd | Well, I will be trying to keep up to vote. |
| 15:28.40 | ceene | yeah, it's not really essential to have all releases upvoted |
| 15:28.41 | freddd | I have subscribed to the thread. |
| 15:28.46 | ceene | some of them aren't always big improvements |
| 15:28.58 | ceene | but having at least one that works seems nice |
| 15:29.45 | freddd | If only 6 votes are needed. |
| 15:29.54 | freddd | It really is somethnig that can be achieved in a day. |
| 15:30.33 | freddd | Two more votes and we will see what the 6 of 6 karma triggers. |
| 15:30.55 | bencoh | ceene: have you disabled the feature that got people banned from whatsapp? |
| 15:31.27 | freddd | bencoh, have you voted on the package yet? ;o |
| 15:31.56 | ceene | bencoh: uhm, nope |
| 15:32.03 | ceene | I'd like someone to test it... |
| 15:32.08 | ceene | it may not happen anymore |
| 15:32.09 | ceene | who knows? |
| 15:32.38 | ceene | if I remove it, we'll never know, if I leave someone may get banned by mistake |
| 15:32.47 | ceene | there's a big red warning |
| 15:33.16 | bencoh | freddd: I've never installed yappari, so no, I can't vote :) |
| 15:33.30 | ceene | that's reasonable |
| 15:33.41 | freddd | Oh. |
| 15:33.41 | bencoh | ceene: riight, but having that in -stable doesn't sound like a great idea :) |
| 15:33.42 | freddd | I see. |
| 15:33.49 | bencoh | freddd: I don't use whatsapp :) |
| 15:34.08 | ceene | well, it's stable nonetheless |
| 15:34.12 | bencoh | (or facebook, for that matters) |
| 15:34.12 | freddd | bencoh, the current stable Yappari does not function at all any more. |
| 15:34.17 | bencoh | freddd: I know |
| 15:34.20 | freddd | I have been using ceene's Yappari since release. |
| 15:34.29 | freddd | And it has never failed me in any way. |
| 15:34.30 | ceene | if it gets you banned is quite stable in the sense that it always get you banned, that's stable on my book :P |
| 15:34.40 | bencoh | haha |
| 15:34.54 | ceene | if it got you banned randomly that'd be unstable :D |
| 15:34.58 | ceene | bans for everyone! |
| 15:34.58 | bencoh | ceene: I think maemo had a different definition :) |
| 15:35.15 | ceene | if I get really really really really tired about n900, maemo, yappari and all that |
| 15:35.15 | freddd | Which feature in particular is supposed to trigger a ban? |
| 15:35.24 | ceene | i could commit suicide by making it ban everyone at once |
| 15:35.27 | ceene | freddd: group creation |
| 15:35.30 | bencoh | :D |
| 15:35.38 | freddd | cenee to date I have not been able to find a physical keyboard replacement phone. |
| 15:35.41 | ceene | whenever you update, changelog appears and there's a red warning that advises not to create a new group |
| 15:35.55 | ceene | neither do I... |
| 15:36.00 | freddd | I emailed HTC and Sony asking about it. |
| 15:36.02 | freddd | Both replied. |
| 15:36.02 | ceene | i even bought a second n900, just in case my primary one dies |
| 15:36.08 | freddd | "consumers are not interested in such products" |
| 15:36.11 | ceene | and also so I can develop system related things |
| 15:36.16 | bencoh | freddd: at least they replied |
| 15:36.23 | freddd | Yeah after a long while. |
| 15:36.30 | freddd | I can not stand touch typing. |
| 15:36.42 | freddd | I am amazed how well the N900 types considering how small it is. |
| 15:36.59 | ceene | i'm fat figered, so on a touch screen I'm always missing the key I want to touch |
| 15:37.16 | freddd | I remember buying the little thing after seeing ads for it. |
| 15:37.32 | freddd | Seeing it all collapse in front of me, the Intel deal, and such. |
| 15:37.44 | freddd | Maemo is the prettiest and smoothes OS on a mobile device I have ever used. |
| 15:37.48 | freddd | They had so much potential. |
| 15:40.02 | freddd | If Maemo ever collapses entirely (I hope not any time soon), I hope somebody gets inspired to make a Maemo desktop environment for Debian (like GNOME and KDE) for mobile targetting. |
| 15:40.27 | freddd | I believe Maemo is Debian 5.0 based? |
| 15:41.40 | ceene | more or less |
| 15:41.51 | ceene | init system is not sysvrc, for example, so that's a big difference |
| 15:42.18 | ceene | there was some efforts to make hildon usable on other platforms |
| 15:42.18 | freddd | I use a nice theme that has quick transition feature. |
| 15:42.24 | freddd | making switching between stuff faster than default |
| 15:42.25 | ceene | bu t i think it didn't went far |
| 15:42.29 | bencoh | actually it's half sysvinit, half upstart |
| 15:42.51 | bencoh | freddd: which one ? |
| 15:42.56 | freddd | One moment. |
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| 15:43.46 | freddd | I use the Array theme in combination with the AwOken Icon Theme. |
| 15:43.59 | freddd | One of those two comes with a theme configurator |
| 15:43.59 | bencoh | ah |
| 15:44.09 | freddd | Allowing you to enable fast transition. |
| 15:45.27 | bencoh | well I edited transitions.ini myself :) |
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| 16:22.06 | Luke-Jr | ccrap. lost my usb port |
| 16:25.05 | freddd | How do people do that? |
| 16:25.33 | FIQ | it is actually pretty easy on an N900... |
| 16:25.40 | joga | Luke-Jr ;((( |
| 16:25.55 | freddd | I have mine since 2009 and it still is on very sturdy. |
| 16:26.38 | joga | I still have mine intact... I'm careful with it, but my ex broke the port from hers, fortunately I had a spare |
| 16:27.14 | joga | still haven't had the time/guts to enforce it so it wouldn't break :I |
| 16:28.25 | FIQ | I lost mine on both of my N900s |
| 16:28.39 | FIQ | technically my 2nd N900 never broke down completely @usb port |
| 16:28.59 | FIQ | but it got so bad that I ended up not using it unless absolutely necessary (reflash) |
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| 17:39.02 | Pali | freemangordon: I forgot another patch which needs to be modified and pushed to upstream |
| 17:39.11 | Pali | ability to disable touchscreen device |
| 17:40.42 | Pali | year (or two?) I had discussion with input maintainer and he agreed that some generic function for every input device which can enable/disable should be OK |
| 17:41.32 | Pali | and maybe export that function as "disable" sysfs node could help us |
| 17:42.24 | Pali | such functionality can be useful also on laptops |
| 17:42.43 | Pali | disable touchpad device without need to rmmod touchpad driver |
| 17:43.34 | Pali | sometimes when writing on keyboard I want to disable touchpad to not accidentelly touch it and move cursor... |
| 17:44.29 | Pali | but because trackstick is handled by touchpad driver too, I cannot rmmod touchpad driver without loosing trackstick functionality |
| 17:44.54 | Pali | and all touchpad, tracksticks and PS/2 mouses are handled by one kernel driver, psmouse.ko |
| 17:45.28 | Pali | (driver creates for each device seprare input device, so disabling API should work fine per input device) |
| 17:46.26 | Pali | and this is exactly same problem on nokia n900... touchscreen is input device and we cannot rmmod driver because xorg needs to see input device and mce handle sysfs... |
| 17:46.39 | Pali | freemangordon_ ^ |
| 17:49.34 | freemangordon_ | Pali: do we have an idea how that generic sysfs property should look like? I guess some callback function in input devices structure? |
| 17:49.57 | freemangordon_ | which if not zero then export that sysfs property |
| 17:50.40 | Pali | I think we have no option... only extending structure which is used for registering input device with pointer to function bool enable_device(bool enable) |
| 17:51.03 | Pali | and remembering if is each device enabled/disabled |
| 17:51.24 | Pali | and export sysfs node for each device |
| 17:51.32 | Pali | (maybe only with that callback function) |
| 17:51.55 | Pali | and then each input driver could implement own enable_device function |
| 17:52.21 | Pali | and if there will be no function, maybe input subsystem could drop all events (and not propagate it to userspace) |
| 17:52.33 | Pali | so this will work for all input devices |
| 17:58.01 | Pali | I added this missing functionality to http://elinux.org/N900 wiki |
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| 18:10.20 | freemangordon_ | Pali: well, I already jumped on DSP driver :) |
| 18:10.33 | Pali | ok |
| 18:10.41 | freemangordon_ | I am too close to having it functional to switch the targets |
| 18:10.41 | Pali | I will try to look at this input layer |
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| 18:11.24 | freemangordon_ | and once I have it running, there is a pile of stuff to do - migrating to iommu, PM runtime management, DT migration, remoteproc... |
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| 20:11.36 | freddd | Does anyone here use Yappari? The WhatsApp client for Maemo? |
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| 22:12.37 | Oksana | does not use WhatsApp, or Yappari |
| 22:47.22 | sixwheeledbeast | Nope, I wouldn't use whatsapp either |
| 23:06.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<Pali> sometimes when writing on keyboard I want to disable touchpad to not accidentelly touch it and move cursor...)) I had an app for that, which stopped working a few years ago |
| 23:07.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | synaptics which had a enable sysnode iirc, or a way to set enable/disable by some other means |
| 23:09.40 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: no, there is no sysfs node for synaptic too |
| 23:09.57 | Pali | but X11 has option to "disable" such input device at X11 level |
| 23:10.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it was something different, maybe ioctl |
| 23:10.07 | Pali | and such X11 application can do this |
| 23:10.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | or X11 :-) |
| 23:10.27 | Pali | but it does not mean that it disable device |
| 23:10.43 | Pali | it just tell Xserver to drop all events from kernel which are for that device :-) |
| 23:10.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, quite possible, yes |
| 23:11.01 | Pali | if you will open it via /dev/input/ you can still read events |
| 23:11.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | just thought to mention that such usecase and app already existed, so it's no unusual request |
| 23:12.24 | Pali | yes it exists, e.g. linux tty |
| 23:12.31 | Pali | ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 23:12.38 | Pali | and here you want to disable keyboard |
| 23:12.46 | Pali | no way |
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| 23:13.14 | Pali | so such filtering needs to be done on kernel level, not in userspace |
| 23:13.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 23:14.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | please consider a "joshua" magic key-combo to override disable for kbd |
| 23:14.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise odds are you're locking out yourself |
| 23:16.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | 6 times ctrl-Q comes to mind |
| 23:16.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | grrr ctrl-Q means "quit" on hotkeys |
| 23:17.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3 times left and right shift. Or simply have a sysnode where you write the magic key sequence to, so you can configure it |
| 23:18.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | key-down and key-up evens prolly |
| 23:20.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope he's reaading the chanlog |
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