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| 00:07.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | Im trying to use the Frankfurth one |
| 00:08.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | H+sth |
| 00:09.09 | kerio | that one is ipv4 only |
| 00:09.39 | kerio | i had a 0.5ms RTT to wilhelm.freenode.net :'( |
| 00:09.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah KORNBLUTH |
| 00:10.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | not H* |
| 00:11.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | you know that freenode infra scanner bot? |
| 00:12.03 | kerio | no |
| 00:12.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | I?ll query you when back home |
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| 00:32.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy |
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| 02:21.46 | Oksana | Sicelo: Good question. What are id3 tags? Could you please find an audio file with lots of id3 tags, for testing? For example, "tracker-info FILE" recognises title, artist, album, duration, release date, and track number, for a flac file I have, but I wouldn't be sure if these tags are id3 or not... |
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| 03:58.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: most likely they are, what else could it be - except maybe of pathname |
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| 04:02.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway maybe that helps: http://paste.opensuse.org/8002215 |
| 04:06.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | the kid3 file open requester lists "filetype: All Supported Files (*.flac *.oga *.ogg)" |
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| 04:13.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | mmmmpppph, asimov dropped me immediately after login, now on kornbluth again |
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| 04:56.11 | Jef91 | Anyone know if there are still factory restore images for the n9 hosted somewhere online? |
| 04:56.17 | Jef91 | Links on the maemo wiki all appear to be dead |
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| 05:04.16 | Maxdamantus | got one from some dodgy looking site. |
| 05:05.03 | Maxdamantus | It'd be nice if there were checksums available somewhere. |
| 05:05.14 | Jef91 | Maxdamantus, got a link to said dodgy site? I sold my old n9 and want to wipe my data off of it with a clean install before I mail it out |
| 05:06.50 | Maxdamantus | I didn't note it down. |
| 05:12.10 | Maxdamantus | Actually, it looks like it was from some nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com location, but the URLs don't seem to work anymore. |
| 05:13.39 | Maxdamantus | Host nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 05:14.24 | Jef91 | urg |
| 05:14.31 | Jef91 | no idea how to get everything off this without something like that >.< |
| 05:14.44 | Jef91 | it has sailfish partitioned on to it and all sorts of toher stuff I can't remember doing |
| 05:15.18 | Maxdamantus | How long do you have? |
| 05:16.50 | Maxdamantus | I can make 59BEC3BC_DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.13-7.SEAP_EMMC_SEAP.bin (1.9 GiB) and A6D5F456_DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_005-OEM1-958_ARM.bin (1.2 GiB) available at about 100 kB/s. |
| 05:17.10 | Maxdamantus | wonders what region those are. |
| 05:17.14 | Jef91 | Not shipping it out till tomorrow night |
| 05:17.19 | Jef91 | I have an unlocked international n9 |
| 05:17.51 | Maxdamantus | I have a feeling it might depend where you want to use it too. |
| 05:18.50 | Maxdamantus | because afaik there's some sort of firmware included for something to do with the modem. |
| 05:19.04 | Jef91 | ahh |
| 05:19.14 | Jef91 | I'm just going to try and manually remove all my stuff I think |
| 05:19.17 | Jef91 | and leave it to them to deal with it |
| 05:21.06 | Maxdamantus | 005 - Asia/Pacific (incl. Australia/New Zealand, excl. China) |
| 05:21.28 | Maxdamantus | Ah, they're apparently pretty much the same except for 003. |
| 05:21.32 | Maxdamantus | (China) |
| 05:21.49 | Maxdamantus | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693 |
| 05:22.48 | Jef91 | well if you are willing to upload an image for me I'd take it |
| 05:22.48 | Maxdamantus | Oh, the images are compressable. |
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| 05:28.29 | Maxdamantus | Okay. Hang on. |
| 05:28.58 | Jef91 | Maxdamantus, don't worry about it |
| 05:29.01 | Jef91 | cleared enough to be happy |
| 05:29.05 | Jef91 | thanks for offering |
| 05:29.11 | Jef91 | I'm off - peace |
| 05:29.42 | Maxdamantus | Okay then. |
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| 06:01.34 | Oksana | Sicelo: would gladly see an improvement over MussOrgsky. Especially if it was pure Gtk+C aka Hildon, without python. |
| 06:04.37 | Maxdamantus | They compress to 1.3 GiB and 996 MiB anyway. |
| 06:04.52 | Maxdamantus | (with `xz -9`) |
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| 08:13.06 | lobito | please allow access to the website via tor |
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| 08:29.22 | Maxdamantus | I'm uploading it to mega. |
| 08:32.38 | Maxdamantus | wonders what else there is that's convenient. |
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| 08:56.52 | bencoh | have you tried webarchive, by the way? |
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| 09:03.55 | Maxdamantus | I don't think that normally stores 2 GiB files. |
| 09:04.58 | Maxdamantus | Oh wow, it does. |
| 09:05.03 | Maxdamantus | https://web.archive.org/web/20131112195549/http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1207/0312/7076665785/A6D5F456_DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_005-OEM1-958_ARM.bin |
| 09:06.23 | Maxdamantus | Doesn't have the particular eMMC image though. |
| 09:07.41 | Sicelo | Oksana: i've just reid tracker-info on an MP3 with a release year tag .. didn't pick it up |
| 09:08.23 | Sicelo | Oksana: i use mid3v2 for tag editing on the N900. i don't remember why i stopped using mussorgsky |
| 09:08.57 | Sicelo | oh wait, 'Audio:ReleaseDate' = '-189388800' |
| 09:09.43 | Sicelo | i guess that's 1964? (at least N900 is not an iphone .. no bricking oncoming, haha) |
| 09:10.43 | Maxdamantus | It's too even. |
| 09:10.46 | Maxdamantus | Wed Jan 1 12:00:00 NZST 1964 |
| 09:13.49 | Sicelo | even? |
| 09:15.14 | Sicelo | well, i edited that track myself, only put in the year. since tracker seems to prefer unix time, i guess there we can't conveniently express year alone? we've got to add date, even seconds :p |
| 09:15.23 | Sicelo | linux sucks sometimes, i guess |
| 09:15.43 | Maxdamantus | (6*365 + 2)*24*60*60 = -189388800 |
| 09:15.58 | Maxdamantus | er, s/-// |
| 09:16.57 | Sicelo | so Oksana seems tracker sees those extra tags .. but our UI doesn't show them or use them |
| 09:24.03 | bencoh | Maxdamantus: the archive team did a pretty good job on maemo/meego actually |
| 09:24.24 | bencoh | (a tad late for meego, since half of it already disappeared, but still :) |
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| 09:26.56 | bencoh | oh, by the way.... https://web.archive.org/web/20141201075625/http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/ |
| 09:28.04 | bencoh | I dont know if everything needed for diablo is there |
| 09:28.18 | bencoh | but I think it's worth checking |
| 09:28.20 | bencoh | KotCzarny: ^ |
| 09:30.44 | Sicelo | if any of you could help me get a full datasheet of a chip OCC8001, i'd be much obliged. would give up my extra N900 even. talking about the full datasheet, not the 2 page info document that is on internet |
| 09:31.01 | Sicelo | i tried as best as i could .. no luck :( |
| 09:31.12 | jonwil | What is an OCC8001 exactly? |
| 09:32.13 | Sicelo | a chip that controls what's called D2B bus .. it's an optic fibre based audio + control signal bus used on 1998-2002 Mercedes benz & jaguar cars |
| 09:32.42 | bencoh | ewww |
| 09:32.45 | jonwil | Let me guess, you own a Merc and want to hack it... |
| 09:33.03 | Sicelo | yes :) |
| 09:33.20 | Sicelo | just the audio system |
| 09:34.32 | Sicelo | someone else did it ... but he wants too much money (for me) |
| 09:36.16 | Sicelo | jonwil: it's actually very easy .. just want to inject digital audio signal into the head unit .. i can (which it will be fooled into seeing as a cd changer) |
| 09:37.17 | Sicelo | the only thing is known the initialization sequence of the chip .. can't find that |
| 09:38.05 | Sicelo | currently using my N900 fm tx, which works very well |
| 09:38.31 | ceene | i just fixed my car's stereo yesterday :) |
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| 09:39.00 | Sicelo | what was wrong? :) |
| 09:39.30 | ceene | it suddenly went silent |
| 09:39.47 | ceene | everything was working: screen, buttons, fm, casette (yeah, it's old!) |
| 09:39.48 | ceene | but silent |
| 09:40.07 | ceene | we discovered it was due to a chip not getting power at all |
| 09:40.28 | ceene | why? would never know, we lost track of the... track, and we don't know where it was supposed to go |
| 09:40.29 | inz | does working casette mean that it's good at eating tape? |
| 09:40.43 | ceene | so i just soldered a new cable from Vcc to the chip |
| 09:40.59 | ceene | and it started speaking to me again :) |
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| 09:41.09 | ceene | it's a 1993 car with a 1993 radio |
| 09:41.46 | ceene | http://pdf.dzsc.com/OCC/OCC8001-01.pdf this is the chip? |
| 09:41.54 | ceene | so you want a full description, of course |
| 09:42.03 | Sicelo | yes ceene |
| 09:43.08 | Sicelo | i searched as much as i could .. didn't get anywhere .. unfortunately no logic analyzers or such fancy equipment at my disposal, so datasheet is the way |
| 09:43.30 | ceene | you may be able to build a simple one with an arduino or whatever |
| 09:43.38 | ceene | you just need to look at the SPI/I2C communication |
| 09:43.43 | bencoh | I'm not even sure there is a "real" datasheet of it |
| 09:43.49 | ceene | that's a synchronous serial protocol |
| 09:44.00 | ceene | it's quite easy to tap into that |
| 09:45.26 | ceene | https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9544 |
| 09:45.45 | ceene | i understand this thing is built explicitely with that purpose in mind |
| 09:46.04 | ceene | and it's cheap enough |
| 09:46.10 | bencoh | Sicelo: http://kay-bruns.de/comand_spdif_low.pdf this might be of some interest to you though ;) |
| 09:46.13 | Sicelo | looks |
| 09:46.24 | Sicelo | kaybruns .. i have it. german :( |
| 09:46.38 | Sicelo | i even wrote to the person .. he didn't get far |
| 09:47.10 | Sicelo | one guy that got it right works for Google, but he is not willing to share. :) |
| 09:47.33 | bencoh | too bad |
| 09:47.35 | ceene | i would go the bus pirate way :) |
| 09:47.39 | ceene | it's a nice tool to have anyway |
| 09:47.53 | bencoh | buspirate was really disappointing (for me at least) |
| 09:48.05 | ceene | i haven't tried it myself, just read about it |
| 09:48.06 | bencoh | it won't work properly with non-standard voltages |
| 09:48.08 | ceene | it isn't any good? |
| 09:48.41 | Sicelo | hmm, the description seems very nice :) |
| 09:48.55 | ceene | even if it's not the perfect tool i think you could use it for that |
| 09:49.09 | Sicelo | i have forgotten the voltages of the d2b system, but i think they are 'reasonable' enough |
| 09:49.14 | bencoh | and the software around it (host libraries/tools) is freaking bad (but that's not really an issue since we could rewrite everything) |
| 09:50.02 | bencoh | ceene: I tried using buspirate with a 2.7V i2c ... no luck |
| 09:50.22 | bencoh | it looked pretty bad |
| 09:50.37 | Sicelo | hmm, i see the duded now has firmware file sitting online. maybe RE that |
| 09:51.11 | Sicelo | i know he uses RPi to control the OCC8001 |
| 09:51.34 | ceene | and he has full software available, even on binary form? |
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| 09:53.06 | Sicelo | so what happens is .. on the rpi, he sets it up as an a2dp sink. it send the digital audio and control signals to the chip |
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| 09:53.18 | Sicelo | that's the only job of thr RPi. it's binary firmawre yes |
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| 09:53.42 | ceene | well, you can always tap into output pins of the PI |
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| 09:53.50 | ceene | or maybe |
| 09:53.54 | ceene | replace /dev/gpio |
| 09:53.57 | ceene | with a simple file |
| 09:54.02 | ceene | and look at what it's outputing there |
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| 09:54.42 | Sicelo | yes, now that he's got firmware.. i'll look into this again. previoulsy he had nothing at all public, except pictures of his setup |
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| 09:55.31 | kerio | i wish freenode would just stop |
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| 10:00.35 | Sicelo | ceene: bencoh : thanks for the ideas. maybe i'll bug you guys for this again .. & jonwil too :) |
| 10:01.04 | Luke-Jr | kerio: and leave their servers exploitable? |
| 10:01.11 | kerio | yolo |
| 10:01.23 | Luke-Jr | do we have a fix for CSSU yet? :P |
| 10:01.34 | bencoh | is CSSU vulnerable? |
| 10:01.34 | kerio | workaround: don't use domain names |
| 10:01.46 | Luke-Jr | bencoh: what isn't? |
| 10:01.58 | bencoh | Luke-Jr: too old glibc? |
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| 10:03.16 | Luke-Jr | hasn't it been years? |
| 10:03.25 | Luke-Jr | oh wait |
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| 10:03.57 | bencoh | http://www.infoworld.com/article/3033862/security/patch-now-unix-bug-puts-linux-android-and-ios-systems-at-risk.html |
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| 10:04.13 | bencoh | "Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 has glibc 2.5, so it isn't vulnerable" |
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| 10:05.05 | bencoh | I dunno ow accurate this statement is, since the google team didn't mention any test on older versions |
| 10:05.54 | bencoh | how* |
| 10:06.11 | kerio | wait, why does ios use glibc? |
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| 10:08.30 | Oksanaa | What program is run-able on Nokia N900 and can convert video from one format (like, mp4) and size (too-large) to other format (ogv?) and size (800x480 or what is N900's resolution?) |
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| 10:08.37 | Maxdamantus | Why wouldn't it? |
| 10:08.38 | bencoh | kerio: do they now? |
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| 10:09.16 | Maxdamantus | It might just be the part of glibc that provides getaddrinfo. |
| 10:09.21 | Maxdamantus | It's somehow separate iirc. |
| 10:09.25 | bencoh | Oksanaa: gstreamer? |
| 10:09.41 | bencoh | (or ffmpeg, but software encoding/decoding is gonna take ages) |
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| 10:10.05 | kerio | "Patch now! Unix bug puts Linux, Android, and iOS systems at risk" |
| 10:10.12 | kerio | i'm pretty sure iOS doesn't use glibc |
| 10:10.13 | bencoh | Oksanaa: oh and ... I wouldn't downconvert on n900... really. |
| 10:10.15 | Oksanaa | Hmm, should read docs on it... It's annoying when low-resolution (600x360?) webm stutters |
| 10:10.20 | bencoh | kerio: I'm pretty sure they don't either |
| 10:10.33 | kerio | tech "journalists" |
| 10:10.34 | bencoh | Oksanaa: vp9 inside? |
| 10:10.41 | Oksanaa | bencoh: yes |
| 10:10.46 | Oksanaa | I think so |
| 10:11.22 | bencoh | we have no DSP vp9 decoding, so it's done in software, with a really old ffmpeg version |
| 10:11.28 | Luke-Jr | Version: 2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5+cssu3 |
| 10:12.01 | Luke-Jr | guess we're fine |
| 10:12.07 | bencoh | it should be faster with recent ffmpeg (they worked a lot on that during the past years), but .... |
| 10:12.15 | Oksanaa | So, downconverting on n900 would take ages, and probably drain battery |
| 10:12.20 | bencoh | exactly |
| 10:12.28 | bencoh | well, not ages actually |
| 10:12.43 | Oksanaa | But hours at least |
| 10:13.24 | bencoh | certainly more than realtime playback, if you cant play it :) |
| 10:13.30 | Oksanaa | If speaking of downconverting from 1280xsomething to 800xsomething, and long video |
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| 10:13.47 | bencoh | haha, don't even think about that :) |
| 10:14.09 | Oksanaa | Because upconverting 600xsomething is a travestry, for video quality |
| 10:14.12 | bencoh | try looking for some h264/SD version |
| 10:14.23 | Oksanaa | Will try |
| 10:14.29 | bencoh | you don't need to upscale |
| 10:14.48 | bencoh | gstreamer plays non-native resolutions fine |
| 10:15.12 | bencoh | qt/phonon-based players (cutetube internal player, for instance) have stride issues though |
| 10:17.38 | Oksanaa | Still, I prefer having as high-quality video as it makes sense to. In this case, 848x480 60fps sounds stunning https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37883&page=2 |
| 10:17.49 | Oksanaa | uses default media player |
| 10:19.34 | bencoh | default mediaplayer relies on mafw and mafw-gst-renderer, which is basically a gstreamer wrapper |
| 10:20.06 | Oksanaa | Besides, I would like to have more start-up videos available for N900, which requires native resolution? |
| 10:21.19 | bencoh | dunno about startup videos (I removed it here ;p) |
| 10:22.57 | Oksanaa | What, is black screen so nice to look at? /eyebrows/ Or is it making startup faster? ;-) |
| 10:25.38 | KotCzarny | using cpu cycles for actual bootinstead of some flashyflashy things |
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| 10:51.17 | Oksanaa | Flashy things... much of GUI can be called flashy. But it helps user to know when programs are frozen, or not |
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| 14:18.21 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 14:19.00 | L29Ah | ERROR:backup-util.c:270:get_contacts_from_file: assertion failed: (attr_uid) |
| 14:19.00 | L29Ah | osso-addressbook-backup is fun |
| 14:22.04 | L29Ah | it requires magic numbering of vcard contacts |
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| 14:33.25 | deejaybar | hello |
| 14:34.17 | deejaybar | any plans to release a new cssu-stable with new glib and speedyham? |
| 14:34.48 | deejaybar | merlin1991: ;) |
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| 14:43.14 | bencoh | deejaybar: maemo shouldn't be vulnerable (glibc) |
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| 15:26.20 | L29Ah | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/n/navit/navit_0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563_armel.deb Size mismatch |
| 15:26.22 | L29Ah | what |
| 15:29.27 | KotCzarny | yeah, someone noticed it already |
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| 15:32.04 | Wizzup | robotanarchy_: I'd like to see if I can somehow help with getting sms and phone calls to work on the n900 mainline |
| 15:32.08 | Wizzup | and if it already works, document that well |
| 15:32.18 | Wizzup | not sure if I am interested in a particular UI, but some command line tools would be good |
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| 15:36.16 | Sicelo | Wizzup: doesn't work yet? |
| 15:36.58 | Sicelo | sms should be working at least ... you're using ofono or fso? |
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| 15:46.40 | Wizzup | Sicelo: IDN. I need to check. Last time I tried the modem didn't work |
| 15:46.45 | Wizzup | but now it seems to work |
| 15:46.49 | Wizzup | so I heard |
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| 16:40.55 | dangergrrl | Hi |
| 16:41.25 | KotCzarny | danger grrill? |
| 16:51.13 | dangergrrl | T |
| 16:52.47 | dangergrrl | Shopping for user interfaces for a 2 in 1 |
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| 16:54.42 | dangergrrl | Afaik the needed parts of maemo are open source but there would be some issues loved my n900 before it was destroyed |
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| 17:27.37 | robotanarchy_ | Wizzup: thanks for the offer! |
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| 21:42.32 | Sicelo | looks like it's goodbye to iceweaseal |
| 21:46.45 | pigeons | oh? |
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| 21:57.02 | Sicelo | pigeons: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 |
| 22:06.35 | Oksana | Sicelo: It would have made great sense to be able to sort songs (or albums?) by year of release, be it within all-music screen, or within a playlist. Similarly, showing track number in some way would make it easier for people to understand if the songs within an album are in correct order (instead of having to cross-reference somewhere the order they are supposed to be in) |
| 22:08.56 | Sicelo | yes. these are some of the reasons i was wondering if media player even sees those tags. maybe we should send feature request for OMP.. to display all tags first of all, and sort using them |
| 22:09.06 | pigeons | makes sense |
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| 23:07.02 | sixwheeledbeast | I guess that would rely on mafw supporting tags/track number/year etc. |
| 23:07.18 | sixwheeledbeast | ~mafw |
| 23:07.18 | infobot | mafw is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Media_Application_Framework_%28MAFW%29 |
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| 23:54.03 | Oksana | Sicelo: I dislike OMP for being Qt-based. I would prefer something RE-ed from default media player, if possible. And then enhanced with bugfixes and feature requests. But then, I don't even remember if open-source clock-ui is Qt-free or not... |
| 23:57.22 | Oksana | For example: non-free osso-calculator-ui does not depend on qt. CSSU version of osso-calculator-ui does depend on qt4, and I don't get why! |