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| 01:17.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes__: there's a whole lot of mess in all those DUI programs that doesn't handle errors properly. And there's a bazillion nonsensical error messages even during otherwise flawless operation |
| 01:17.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/DUI/GUI/ |
| 01:18.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | the devels never really care about what's the fallout on STDOUT/STDERR |
| 01:19.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | most programs are supposed to run $app &>/dev/null |
| 01:19.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then all but the most common errors simply don't show up in any meaningful way |
| 01:20.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're just lucky that this time GLIB bothered to do a syslog |
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| 01:23.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((Everything about bugs.maemo.org seems very outdated)) I guess Abdre Klapper doesn't really care anymore about maemo bugs, and nobody took over the role of bugmaster |
| 01:23.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Andre even |
| 01:24.44 | jonwil | is no closer to figuring out whats wrong with NSS |
| 01:25.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, a nasty critter, jonwil |
| 01:25.11 | jonwil | There are some command line tools that might be useful included in the NSS/microb-engine source code but I cant figure out how to get them to compile |
| 01:25.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-( |
| 01:26.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | did that Nokia guy answer your mail? |
| 01:29.08 | jonwil | Been going back and forth with Juhani |
| 01:29.43 | jonwil | At least we know for sure that the new set of root CA certificates is good because cmcli -T common-ca -v ib.boq.mobi:443 verifies correctly |
| 01:29.49 | jonwil | same with other sites that are broken in microb |
| 01:30.12 | jonwil | So that proves its NSS/Microb at fault and not maemo-security-certman |
| 01:36.31 | jonwil | but yeah I am determined to get it working (possibly by importing a newer NSS version if I can ever figure out how) |
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| 01:45.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXoW-TDzcFU |
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| 18:03.15 | freemangordon | Pali: could you rebase to -rc3? |
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| 20:53.11 | Pali | freemangordon: later I can do it |
| 20:53.37 | Pali | anyway, you asked what is missing... in mainline kernel is that bug in omapfb :-) |
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| 22:25.24 | jonwil | Is there anyone around who can help me out by testing something on their N900? |
| 22:28.35 | Sicelo009N | what is it, and what conditions for the test? |
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| 22:44.27 | jonwil | I just want someone to try installing my new updated maemo-security-certman packages and then see what happens when they visit certain https websites |
| 22:44.50 | jonwil | Doesn't matter if you are running CSSU or not or what, I just want more data points |
| 22:45.05 | jonwil | right now we have one data point (me) that says "its broken" and another one from the forum that says "it works" |
| 22:45.30 | bencoh | hmm |
| 22:45.34 | Sicelo009N | i saw the thread |
| 22:45.41 | Sicelo009N | okay. will install |
| 22:45.44 | bencoh | I guess you're just not trying the same sites? |
| 22:46.31 | Sicelo009N | they are :) |
| 22:48.04 | jonwil | we are definatly trying the same sites |
| 22:48.20 | jonwil | Sicelo009N: Are you running CSSU? |
| 22:49.37 | Sicelo009N | yes, cssu testing on one, and thumb on the other. |
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| 22:51.53 | jonwil | ok, great |
| 23:00.24 | Sicelo009N | taking long ... 2nd N900 acting up for some reason. rebooting it |
| 23:09.48 | jonwil | ok |
| 23:09.50 | Sicelo009N | installed. rebooting again just to be sure. on to testing websites |
| 23:11.36 | Sicelo009N | jonwil: please remind me link for your bank. |
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| 23:12.10 | jonwil | try www.entrust.com |
| 23:12.13 | jonwil | that one doesn't work |
| 23:12.25 | jonwil | its the main website for the CA that is used by a bunch of broken sites |
| 23:13.46 | Sicelo009N | my bank's https site works .. entrust-based. trying entrust itself now |
| 23:14.22 | jonwil | is this on cssu-thumb or cssu-testing? |
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| 23:16.18 | Sicelo009N | cssu-testing. |
| 23:17.07 | Sicelo009N | entrust opening very slowly .. let's see what happens |
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| 23:20.01 | Sicelo009N | seems fine too |
| 23:22.39 | Sicelo009N | (hate it when microb sits there not loading a website when there's even no load on system) |
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| 23:26.29 | Sicelo009N | jonwil: microsoft site fine too. so looks like you fixed the thing for us, and somehow left yourself in the dark. i got no idea how to help |
| 23:27.17 | jonwil | Its likely that something in CSSU may be a factor here |
| 23:27.25 | jonwil | Or something in one of my self-built packages |
| 23:27.58 | jonwil | I am going to see what happens if I use my "restore packages to stock" switcher and see what happens if I install just the new certificates |
| 23:28.49 | Sicelo009N | you're not on cssu? |
| 23:31.20 | jonwil | no, I am on a set of self-built packages built from CSSU Git |
| 23:31.21 | jonwil | mostly |
| 23:31.49 | jonwil | I just dont want all of CSSU for various reasons |
| 23:32.59 | Sicelo009N | in my culture, a person must eat food he cooks, just in case it's poisonous :p |
| 23:33.36 | jonwil | I am running all the packages that I have actually written code for (except those that aren't yet complete) |
| 23:34.07 | Sicelo009N | ah, at least |
| 23:35.04 | bencoh | :] |
| 23:35.11 | jonwil | ok, so running stock with just the new certman bits doesn't work either. Its entirely possible that there is something in CSSU that is impacting it or its possible something in your local system is making it work somehow |
| 23:35.27 | jonwil | e.g. some certificate has been cached by microb at some point or otherwise added to microb |
| 23:35.33 | jonwil | and that is causing things to work for you |
| 23:36.03 | Sicelo009N | ping anytime you need further tests :) |
| 23:36.43 | bencoh | jonwil: what about the certman-related entries in http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog ? |
| 23:36.53 | jonwil | I have all those patches |
| 23:37.11 | jonwil | My code lives in community ssu git after all :) |
| 23:37.52 | Sicelo009N | rebooting thumb N900 for the certs update. |
| 23:37.57 | jonwil | ok |
| 23:38.46 | jonwil | if GDB wasn't failing to properly debug microb-engine, I could see what is going wrong... |
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| 23:43.17 | Sicelo009N | hmm, on my thumb system, all certificates are messed up now. many missing |
| 23:43.27 | Sicelo009N | only invalid ones remaining |
| 23:43.37 | Sicelo009N | will reinstall the packages |
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| 23:46.09 | Sicelo009N | oh gosh |
| 23:48.44 | Sicelo009N | jonwil: on your device, what do you see in the list of certificates? maybe you have invalids like i do here. |
| 23:50.13 | jonwil | Every certificate I see in the certificate manager applet is legit |
| 23:50.26 | jonwil | The ones marked "certificate not currently valid" is correct since those are the blacklisted ones |
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| 23:50.47 | Sicelo009N | in my case i have only few certs, all invalid |
| 23:50.54 | Sicelo009N | what could be cause? |
| 23:50.56 | Sicelo009N | Leaving `diversion of /usr/lib/microb-engine/libnssckbi.so to /usr/lib/microb-engine/libnssckbi.mozilla by libmaemosec-certman0' |
| 23:51.06 | Sicelo009N | anything amiss with that line? |
| 23:51.15 | jonwil | nope, thats lefit |
| 23:51.23 | jonwil | what do you have in /etc/certs? |
| 23:52.29 | Sicelo009N | the 3 categories |
| 23:52.54 | Sicelo009N | in common-ca, lots of them |
| 23:53.15 | Sicelo009N | 460 according to wc-l |
| 23:53.30 | jonwil | what about /etc/secure? |
| 23:55.16 | Sicelo009N | two directories, e and s. |
| 23:55.21 | jonwil | and in the s folder? |
| 23:55.29 | Sicelo009N | nothing in e, and 3 files in s |
| 23:57.47 | Sicelo009N | certman.common-ca does contain what seems to be a valid list |
| 23:58.47 | jonwil | ok, weird that it isn't installing properly on your thumb device when it worked for someone else with cssu-thumb and it worked for you on your other device |