| 00:28.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | unrelated nice stuff: http://khenriks.github.io/mp3fs/ http://sysadminsjourney.com/content/2008/12/11/convert-flac-mp3-fly-mp3fs/ |
| 00:30.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | fstab: /home/jr/Musik /home/jr/mp3cnv fuse.mp3fs ro,users,bitrate=192 0 0 #still needs `mount ~/mp3cnv` by user, when root does it the whole thing is completely untouchable in userspace, prolly thanks to systemd and dang cgroups and stuff |
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| 00:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | if the whole thing goes south (it does sometimes, when there are broken .flac files), you need `fusermount -u ~/mp3cnv` since umount blows chunks |
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| 01:47.59 | luf_ | I want to assign and close some bug reports on bugs.maemo.org. Who can grant me permission to do it? |
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| 01:48.38 | luf_ | Does somebody has such permission to assign/close/... bugs? |
| 01:54.54 | Oksana | Find assigned/closed bugs and look up who assigned-closed them? |
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| 02:25.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd send a mail to council, that's clearly a question for them to answer |
| 02:28.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | last bugmaster I seem to remember was Andre_Klapper(?) - council might have assigned the role to somebody else meanwhile |
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| 02:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess there are a few guys who can close bugs, however only council could assign the permissions to you to do so |
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| 02:32.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/assign/grant/ |
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| 02:38.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Document_maemo.org_processes |
| 02:39.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team |
| 02:39.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team#Bugmaster even |
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| 03:40.04 | jonwil | No closer to finding a way to get NSS to give me more info on why it isn't working with certain domains/CAs (e.g. entrust) |
| 03:48.16 | Vajb_ | bencoh: ok |
| 03:49.06 | Vajb_ | DocScrutinizer05: I got it from phone control wiki page. Should i add that method-call to script? |
| 03:51.59 | jonwil | wishes this community had someone who knew stuff about microb-engine, gecko, nss, certs, ssl etc :( |
| 03:53.08 | Oksana | Someday. What's the package with certificates, what's the package using them and complaining about them, and what change started the complaints? |
| 03:55.49 | Oksana | wonders why so many people do not register with NickServ; is it such a hardship? It's not like they don't give their email to curious minds on silver platter... |
| 03:58.47 | Oksana | bug #7357 |
| 03:58.49 | povbot | 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/7357 MfE is missing some CA cert symlinks on some devices (NuevaSync) |
| 03:59.44 | jonwil | I updated the root CA store in maemo-security-certman to the latest Mozilla root set and now a bunch of different sites (for example any site using entrust as a CA including the entrust website itself) returns a "secure connection failed" error code sec_error_unknown_issuer. These sites all worked fine with the previous set of root CAs. |
| 03:59.49 | jonwil | Also other sites (e.g. google) do work fine |
| 04:00.54 | jonwil | And I would bet that the same "failing" sites would work just fine on a build of Firefox with the same set of root CA certificates that I imported into Maemo |
| 04:01.46 | Oksana | Not sure... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/275878/firefox-and-ssl-sec-error-unknown-issuer |
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| 04:03.38 | Oksana | https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/984505 |
| 04:04.21 | Oksana | In short: there is a chain of certificates, and if there is a link (intermediary) missing, you get an error? |
| 04:05.00 | Oksana | does not know how to pick through them and figure out which one is problematic and how |
| 04:09.36 | Oksana | keep in mind bug #6211 |
| 04:09.37 | povbot | 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/6211 Installed root certificates not used until browser restarted. |
| 04:11.07 | jonwil | lets reboot just in case that somehow does something |
| 04:11.15 | jonwil | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.09 | jonwil | nope, nothing |
| 04:12.22 | jonwil | Oksana: I am guessing you dont know what maemo-security-certman actually is |
| 04:12.27 | jonwil | or what it does |
| 04:16.12 | Oksana | Manages SSL certificates for secure connection in everything, like microb, probably telepathy too? |
| 04:16.47 | jonwil | yes it holds the master root certificate store that microb uses (and other things too although not telepathy) |
| 04:16.55 | jonwil | well maybe telepathy does I dont know |
| 04:17.05 | jonwil | but definatly microb uses it for its root store |
| 04:18.14 | Oksana | And hence Maps and Conversations, too |
| 04:18.48 | jonwil | well conversations doesn't ever use ssl or certificates for the web browser part |
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| 04:19.39 | Oksana | Likely, yes |
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| 04:52.35 | Oksana | jonwil: Rebooting did not help? |
| 04:52.42 | jonwil | nope |
| 04:52.55 | jonwil | I wasn't expecting it to given how maemo-security-certman works |
| 04:53.15 | Oksana | Any way to trace error to what exactly is wrong? To figure out the certificate it struggles with? |
| 04:54.13 | Oksana | Even just a visual tree of certificates depending on each other would help to pinpoint exactly what node is responsible for cascade, though having exact logs from program would be preferable |
| 05:02.09 | jonwil | I dont know but I am digging further into whether its possible to import a newer nss into microb or not |
| 05:02.31 | Oksana | Good |
| 05:02.31 | jonwil | that would in theory give us support for the latest tls standards |
| 05:02.40 | Oksana | Nice :-D |
| 05:03.08 | Oksana | As long as it's not a memory-eater ;-) Or CPU-eater. Or space-eater |
| 05:07.22 | jonwil | hmmm maybe we wont get that support, that code seems to live elsewhere |
| 05:50.15 | KotCzarny | jonwil, does openssl on maemo use the same cert store? |
| 05:50.30 | jonwil | no idea |
| 05:50.43 | KotCzarny | openssl can be handy tool to check such things |
| 05:51.01 | KotCzarny | let me google the magic line |
| 05:51.23 | jonwil | I am using openssl s_client already |
| 05:51.32 | KotCzarny | right |
| 05:51.54 | KotCzarny | does it work or fail on that problematic site? |
| 05:53.57 | jonwil | that works |
| 05:54.51 | KotCzarny | what is your openssl version? |
| 05:55.37 | KotCzarny | also, can you pastebin openssl s_client -connect your.site:443 ? |
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| 05:59.33 | jonwil | its not just the one site, its a whole bunch of sites including www.microsoft.com |
| 06:08.10 | KotCzarny | ms site works on stock certs |
| 06:14.39 | jonwil | the fact that openssl s_client gives correct output when talking to failing sites with the new set of CAs installed means that the root CAs themselves aren |
| 06:14.42 | jonwil | aren't broken |
| 06:14.43 | jonwil | or missing |
| 06:14.54 | jonwil | and its something in nss or microb that is at fault |
| 06:15.13 | KotCzarny | or it uses different set |
| 06:15.21 | jonwil | nope it doesn't |
| 06:15.29 | jonwil | openssl and microb are using exactly the same set |
| 06:15.58 | jonwil | since I used -CApath argument to openssl to point it at the set in maemo-security-certman (which is what microb is also using) |
| 06:24.38 | jonwil | so its definatly got something to do with nss or microb-engine code and not the set of root certs |
| 06:27.53 | Oksana | Nice... |
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| 06:41.51 | jonwil | At this point we need to find someone that understands nss and gecko and stuff |
| 06:42.16 | jonwil | Finding someone who understands that will help us get a newer version of all that stuff into microb-engine as well... |
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| 11:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: did you already add a 144 printf() lines? |
| 11:59.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I at times had programs that were half their original size after I cleaned out all printfs |
| 12:00.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ancient programming schemes ;-) |
| 12:03.28 | jonwil | bah, I cant properly debug browserd with gdb :( |
| 12:14.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? |
| 12:18.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | no matter why, that's exactly the age old rationale behind ancient printf() 'debugging' |
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| 12:23.30 | zGrr | moin :) |
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| 12:53.18 | jonwil | adding debug printfs is a pain when it takes 20 minutes to rebuild microb-engine every time |
| 13:00.03 | KotCzarny | sometimes its the easiest way |
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| 13:20.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, it took up to 30 minutes back when I used that technique, thus I added a *lot* of them so probability was high I would have one at the right place anyway. However it took a 2 or 3 spins to refine the printfs where stuff turned out te get more interesting |
| 13:20.42 | KotCzarny | jonwil, also, add printf as a function or definition |
| 13:20.48 | KotCzarny | so you can disable it easily later |
| 13:20.57 | KotCzarny | (without removing everything) |
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| 13:29.31 | Wizzup | Why would gdb not be possible? |
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| 14:19.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | shodan is awesome ;-P so are some fools e.g. in USA http://98.213.179.248/nobody/mobile320.htm?Login=Quick |
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| 14:20.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | admin admin |
| 14:21.21 | kerio | lmao |
| 14:22.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | someone parking car. Owner coming home? |
| 14:23.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm no |
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| 14:28.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/09/plasma-desktopCm3616.png |
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| 14:39.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course the geolocation is mostly bogus |
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| 20:08.44 | xes | Oh... just noticed why modest was refusing to download last messages without any error notification... syslog: GLIB WARNING ** camel-imap-provider - Unexpected response from IMAP server: A00001 NO [ALERT] Please log in via your web browser: https://support.google.com/mail/accounts/answer/78754 (Failure) |
| 20:10.39 | sixwheeledbeast^ | xes: I have been having trouble with hotmail for a few weeks no idea why. |
| 20:11.11 | xes | ..these gmail (security) warnings are really annoying |
| 20:15.56 | xes | anyway, it would be nice if modest could report such kind of imap "[ALERT]" messages |
| 20:17.54 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I actually can't get any e-mails now by the looks of it, the other accounts have stopped updating. |
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| 21:59.53 | luf_ | Everything about bugs.maemo.org seems very outdated. Does it mean we don't want change it? |
| 22:01.19 | kerio | we don't want bugs |
| 22:02.04 | bencoh | same goes for the mailing-list, I wonder if we could go back to using it |
| 22:02.35 | bencoh | but I think that's because TMO has always had a preponderant part in the communication inside the community |
| 22:03.12 | M4rtinK2 | well a bugtracker could be handy |
| 22:03.50 | bencoh | yeah, but people tend to use TMO as a bug reporting tool |
| 22:04.06 | bencoh | (not really a bugtracker, but kindof) |
| 22:04.33 | Sicelo | the average person doesn't know how to submit bugs in a bug-tracker. hence forums end up bug-trackers :) |
| 22:04.48 | bencoh | yeah |
| 22:05.58 | M4rtinK2 | still more knowledgeable users can fill the reports as bugs |
| 22:06.10 | M4rtinK2 | at least for the Maemo infrastructure for example |
| 22:06.19 | M4rtinK2 | otherwise it is very easy to loose track of bugs |
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