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| 06:14.58 | KotCzarny | maxd: nokia or m$ phones? |
| 06:37.06 | Maxdamantus | Nokia. |
| 06:37.13 | Maxdamantus | Two N900s and an N97. |
| 06:40.26 | KotCzarny | n97? |
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| 07:10.37 | Sicelo | does anyone know if the ubuntu phones let you boot some other distro? |
| 07:13.53 | Maxdamantus | Noone else bidded for it, so I won with NZ$2. |
| 07:14.53 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 07:14.57 | KotCzarny | good deal |
| 07:16.26 | Maxdamantus | Twice the reserve price. |
| 07:16.36 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 07:16.58 | KotCzarny | i bet shipping is more than the bid price |
| 07:17.26 | Maxdamantus | It's the same seller as the N900, so it will probably be nothing. |
| 07:17.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:17.56 | KotCzarny | even better deal then |
| 07:18.21 | KotCzarny | port maemo to it ;) |
| 07:18.40 | Maxdamantus | I'm getting the N900 so I don't have to use Maemo. |
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| 10:38.06 | Oksanaa | About pulseaudio and phonecalls: is it possible to 'hijack' phonecall to give espeak-output (instead of mic) to phone-app? |
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| 11:20.57 | Oksanaa | Is faxing theoretically possible with Nokia N900? Like, with efax or something, switching N900 to 2G for duration of fax sending maybe? https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36905&page=2 |
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| 12:37.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksanaa: (('hijack' phonecall)) sure, you just need to do the inverse of what e.g. recaller does |
| 12:40.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | fax over GSM is pretty much impossible. for (HS)CSD there was a fax and a data service flag. GPRS doesn't support any such fax sending anymore. AFAIK N900 BB5 modem doesn't support (HS)CSD, even *if* your carrier would still offer it |
| 12:41.29 | Oksanaa | Okay, is there a single xterminal line for recaller's action? Probably yes, but I have only orecchiette installed |
| 12:41.59 | Oksanaa | Would Neo900 modem be even less likely to support fax sending? |
| 12:42.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | your best bet to send a fax from N900 is to upload a pdf to a (SIP)provider who offers fax sending |
| 12:42.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I haven't even checked if the P*S8 modems still support HSCSD |
| 12:42.50 | Oksanaa | It would require Internet, and then email would be easier than fax (I think) |
| 12:43.40 | Oksanaa | Would be nice to check, given that some cellular providers do still (hopefully) offer fax |
| 12:44.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need to check if the offer HSCSD dialout |
| 12:44.06 | Oksanaa | I have seen video call (cellular |
| 12:44.19 | Oksanaa | as an option with my provider, at least |
| 12:45.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically HSCSD is a remote RS232 wire to a Hayes modem with fax function at carrier's exchange |
| 12:45.09 | Oksanaa | And 3G video calls are mostly out-of-date, too. So I am hoping that they offer Fax, too |
| 12:46.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | try "ATD<your landline number>" (without ; at end) |
| 12:47.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | when the call is made by a modem and you hear a beep when picking up the call, you actually can do HSCSD |
| 12:47.58 | Oksanaa | No landline. But can check with worklandline |
| 12:48.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | but again, afaik N900 doesn't support that |
| 12:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 will always initiate a voice connection on ATD |
| 12:49.36 | Oksanaa | Where do I type this low-level modem command? Not-in-X-Term-directly, for sure. |
| 12:50.18 | Oksanaa | does not remember where on wiki.maemo.org were modem commands described |
| 12:50.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | quote from PHS8: >>The Modem interface is intended particularly for circuit and packet switched transmission (HSDPA, GPRSCSD). << so yes, that sounds like Circuit Switched Data |
| 12:51.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | pnatd |
| 12:51.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need to close the xterm to end pnatd |
| 12:51.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | (or killall pnatd in another shell) |
| 12:56.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PLS8 quote> The AT^SRTC read command returns the currently set ring tone melody <number> and ring tone volume <vol- ume> for the incoming <event>s voice call, CSD call and SMS.</> |
| 12:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | you _need_ a dedicated data number different to your voicecall number for inbound CSD calls (receive FAX) |
| 12:58.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | though CSD and FAX are two separate though similar services |
| 12:58.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | lemme check if P*S8 actually supports FAX |
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| 13:00.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/05/plasma-desktopUe3616.png |
| 13:04.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksanaa: ideally you use T38 (http://www.3cx.com/pbx/t38/) with a app on the phone and a SIP provider that supports it |
| 13:08.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you actually just pull a pdf into the drop area on your SIP provider's "send fax" webpage |
| 13:09.09 | Oksanaa | PHS8-P: no fax; others? Hmm, if 3G video calls, and FMMS too, send images, then it should be possible to cellular-send an image, and have a gateway fax it to fax? |
| 13:09.29 | Oksanaa | Or, simpler: SMS-to-fax gateway |
| 13:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure thing |
| 13:09.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | see above |
| 13:10.57 | Oksanaa | still thinks that espeak-hijacking would be absurdly useful. Unless bone-conduction headset allows to speak silently? |
| 13:11.48 | jonwil | Why Fax is still a thing in 2016 I will never understand |
| 13:12.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/05/plasma-desktopVP3616.png |
| 13:12.10 | jonwil | Its one of those technologies that seems to hang on despite being obsolete years ago :) |
| 13:12.37 | Oksanaa | Because SMS is short and expensive. Same for FMMS |
| 13:13.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | because FAX is the only thing that has a minimum sender authentication by phone number |
| 13:13.40 | jonwil | SMS doesn't replace fax, what replaces fax is email and IM and sending things over the internet |
| 13:14.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | also FAX is sync, so you get in implicit reception confirmation, which you print to a so called send report |
| 13:14.45 | jonwil | caller ID is easy to spoof |
| 13:15.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | such send protocol is a first evidence you actually sent the FAX, and the receiver has to prove he didn't receive it |
| 13:15.29 | Oksanaa | cellular internet could be the replacement... but some place are absurdly insistent on phone-calls-not-emails-thank-you. Not even SMS. |
| 13:15.48 | jonwil | Yeah fax i s still useful in cases where you need to sign something and send it back fast |
| 13:18.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | also it's actually an advantage that a FAX costs fees for the phonecall connection. This way FAX never seen such an amount of abuse by SPAM like e.g. email did |
| 13:19.31 | Oksanaa | Hmm, not sure how, but my google voice has SMS-to-email spam |
| 13:20.33 | Oksanaa | Not much, but two unsolicited spams in last week. Did Google Voice leak my gv number somewhere? |
| 13:23.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it's inherently slow which helps for the same |
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| 13:28.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally FAX is cheaper than a simple letter and almost as reliable as a registered mail |
| 13:30.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually when you send the FAX via a service like http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/05/plasma-desktopVP3616.png then it's even better than a registered mail, since you can prove *what* you've sent |
| 13:30.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and when |
| 13:33.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | sobottom line: FAX is for legal stuff, contracts etc |
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| 17:28.48 | freemangordon | Pali: hi! finally onenand mystery is solved :). Could you remind me what I was supposed to do re system revision? |
| 17:29.04 | Pali | freemangordon: hi! yes, got email |
| 17:29.19 | freemangordon | I know, I put you in cc :) |
| 17:29.43 | freemangordon | for the patch that is |
| 17:29.51 | Pali | system revision: set it in rx51 code which call save_atags() |
| 17:30.13 | freemangordon | it is passed by nolo as well? |
| 17:31.29 | freemangordon | Pali: ok, besides sysrev, do we have something else minor to fix? |
| 17:31.44 | Pali | yes it is in one ATAG |
| 17:32.10 | Pali | so you need to parse it in code around save_atags() and set global variable system_rev (or how it is called) |
| 17:32.17 | freemangordon | ok |
| 17:32.48 | Pali | freemangordon: there is anther minor... get cpu freq values from kernel-power and add them to n900 DTS file |
| 17:33.17 | Pali | now in DT booted kernel cpu freqs can be specified in DTS per board |
| 17:33.18 | freemangordon | Pali: I doubt maintainers will alow us to put OC freqs there |
| 17:33.20 | freemangordon | :) |
| 17:33.34 | Pali | at least those non OC freq |
| 17:33.42 | Pali | they are different from generic omap3 |
| 17:34.00 | Pali | see patches in linux-n900 which fix that for legacy board code |
| 17:34.02 | freemangordon | ok, will se what can I do about that |
| 17:34.10 | freemangordon | ok |
| 17:34.26 | Pali | I CCed one email about it |
| 17:34.57 | freemangordon | Pali: ok, will find it when I come to it |
| 17:53.08 | freemangordon | Pali: which tag do we want, ATAG_REVISION? |
| 17:56.26 | Pali | freemangordon: yes |
| 17:56.30 | freemangordon | ok |
| 17:59.53 | freemangordon | Pali: "Revision: 0012" in qemu, ok? |
| 17:59.57 | Pali | yes |
| 18:00.26 | freemangordon | Pali: wanna send that patch for me, I won;t have time to do it now? |
| 18:01.02 | Pali | currently I do not have time... |
| 18:01.14 | freemangordon | ok, will send it when I have time then |
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| 18:19.41 | freemangordon | Pali: sent :) |
| 18:33.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O :) |
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| 23:42.11 | capitanocrunch | anybody knows the file /var/log/maemo-optify-boottime.log ? |
| 23:44.43 | capitanocrunch | its logging this message again and again |
| 23:45.06 | capitanocrunch | <PROTECTED> |
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