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| 03:50.34 | brolin_empey | jonwil: âlo. |
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| 06:49.11 | KotCzarny | brolin_empey: you have to get 3.3V version (i think it's also the req for latitude x1) |
| 06:49.24 | KotCzarny | if you want specific model i can check when i get home |
| 06:49.47 | KotCzarny | but usually if you add 'x40' to search it will show you the right ones |
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| 07:32.09 | Vajb | would be nice addon for calendar applet to be able to show week number without opening calendar. |
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| 09:28.42 | Sicelo | i wonder if Tizen phones will make a success. if ever they do, i guess that would be my next phone (when my N900 dies) |
| 09:29.28 | KotCzarny | n900 never dies |
| 09:29.56 | Sicelo | it will. wait and see :) |
| 09:30.09 | Sicelo | OS is good, but hardware is hardware. |
| 09:30.09 | KotCzarny | 6 years, still going strong |
| 09:30.22 | KotCzarny | even after multiple falls to hard floor |
| 09:30.54 | Sicelo | they are not going tolast forever that's for sure. |
| 10:13.44 | ceene | every year someone imagines a new browser thingy standard and will make our phones unusable even for the most simplest web |
| 10:37.58 | NIN101 | it already is. |
| 10:38.17 | NIN101 | well, not for the most simplest web, but for many websites. |
| 10:42.26 | NIN101 | and the hardware is very slow compared to the most cheapest androids these days, which is the reason my N900 is basically collecting dust :-(. |
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| 11:14.02 | PiZZaMartijn | Good morning everyone |
| 11:14.47 | PiZZaMartijn | If I don't use audio/camera/gsm on my N900, could I then use debian 8 with the latest kernel on my phone? |
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| 11:19.18 | Sicelo | likely, yes. small screen though, and power consumption may not be very friendly |
| 11:20.58 | enyc | PiZZaMartijn: you could also use the debian 'chroot' images under maemo system |
| 11:21.20 | enyc | PiZZaMartijn: and/or help making some new chroot images that use debian 8 in armhf, at least with the current power kernels etc. |
| 11:21.55 | KotCzarny | doesnt glibc require newer kernel? |
| 11:22.00 | enyc | PiZZaMartijn: the debian 6 / 7 chroot images (estel etc?) had various 'held' packages and all that |
| 11:22.11 | Wizzup | enyc: that is, if systemd works with an old kernel |
| 11:22.12 | enyc | KotCzarny: very good quesiton =) |
| 11:22.32 | enyc | Wizzup: not needed basically iirc, certainly not as init, and init isn't needed in chroot ANYWAY |
| 11:22.42 | KotCzarny | wizzup: you can still run debian8 without systemd. still. i wonder for how long tho |
| 11:22.57 | Wizzup | there is also systemd-free.org for arch users |
| 11:23.00 | enyc | Wizzup: certainly without x11 (and sometimes with) debian 8 without systemd works on 2.6.32 LTS kernel |
| 11:23.12 | enyc | Wizzup: not so sure about power 2.6.28 n900 kernel |
| 11:23.19 | KotCzarny | wizzup: i prefer http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation |
| 11:23.21 | enyc | Maxdamantus: #neo900 project new board will help with all this =)) |
| 11:23.43 | enyc | Maxdamantus: errrrrr wrong name oops sorry |
| 11:24.12 | Sicelo | the op wants new kernel :) |
| 11:24.48 | KotCzarny | tru that |
| 11:25.03 | KotCzarny | lets not forget about the op |
| 11:25.05 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 11:26.13 | KotCzarny | on unrelated news, ccache doesnt seem to help when playing with diff options |
| 11:27.10 | KotCzarny | also, i love my fruit compile farm setup |
| 11:29.13 | KotCzarny | 2 bananas, 1 orange |
| 11:29.31 | KotCzarny | 8 cores total @~1ghz |
| 11:30.13 | KotCzarny | going to setup n900 dev env there too |
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| 11:41.28 | PiZZaMartijn | Kernel 4.x should support all the hardware in the N900 that I need. so I can run systemd on my n900 |
| 11:41.53 | KotCzarny | uggh |
| 11:41.56 | KotCzarny | systemd is evil |
| 11:41.58 | enyc | PiZZaMartijn: can you also try that aganst the existing maemo system? or does that create some interface compatibility ?? |
| 11:42.35 | PiZZaMartijn | The maemo stuff wont run on a kernel that is new enough for systemd |
| 11:42.40 | PiZZaMartijn | and I like systemd |
| 11:42.57 | KotCzarny | you like it because you didnt read what it does |
| 11:43.10 | KotCzarny | but. if you only care about few seconds faster boot.. |
| 11:43.59 | KotCzarny | in short, you throw out freedom of hacking your system for few seconds of bootup |
| 11:44.10 | PiZZaMartijn | I know what it does, i manage a lot of debian 8 machines with systemd. |
| 11:44.14 | Wizzup | PiZZaMartijn: if it supports all you need, then why do you ask us? |
| 11:44.17 | Wizzup | just do it⢠|
| 11:44.24 | PiZZaMartijn | yes but how :( |
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| 11:54.20 | PiZZaMartijn | hmm I probably murdered my N900 |
| 11:54.33 | PiZZaMartijn | I just installed u-boot-flasher |
| 11:54.41 | PiZZaMartijn | but I can't find a kernel in /boot |
| 11:55.19 | PiZZaMartijn | and /opt/boot doesn't exist |
| 11:57.43 | KotCzarny | do you see nand or emmc or sd? |
| 11:58.11 | PiZZaMartijn | where should I see that?. I haven't reboot my n900 yet. |
| 11:58.15 | KotCzarny | if yes, you can always run rescueos and copy the kernel to visible partition |
| 11:58.31 | KotCzarny | im not familiar with uboot that much |
| 11:58.57 | KotCzarny | http://www.denx.de/wiki/view/DULG/Manual |
| 11:59.00 | KotCzarny | uboot manual |
| 11:59.07 | PiZZaMartijn | the only documentation for uboot on n900 seems to be a forum post from 2010 |
| 11:59.32 | PiZZaMartijn | and that one doesn't mention what to do if you run kernel-power |
| 11:59.49 | KotCzarny | you can try doing load command with guessed sources |
| 12:00.48 | KotCzarny | another option: you know you can boot kernel via usb without flashing? |
| 12:01.05 | PiZZaMartijn | I didn't know that |
| 12:01.10 | KotCzarny | in short, even with broken booting/kernel, but with working rootfs its bootable |
| 12:01.12 | PiZZaMartijn | is that documented somewhere? |
| 12:01.20 | KotCzarny | flasher-3.5 -h |
| 12:01.35 | KotCzarny | there is a switch that boots kernel without flashing |
| 12:01.48 | KotCzarny | but try finding out what uboot sees now |
| 12:03.52 | Sicelo | so N900 not booting? |
| 12:04.48 | PiZZaMartijn | its in a bootloop now |
| 12:05.17 | PiZZaMartijn | uboot starts, then says starting kernel, and then nothing |
| 12:06.43 | PiZZaMartijn | ok its alive again, had to remove the battery |
| 12:06.46 | Sicelo | load the kernel via flasher/0xFFFF as you've been told. make sure to also install stock kernel modules on your N900 (then uboot can always start even when all else is broken) |
| 12:07.12 | KotCzarny | n900 is virtually unkillable |
| 12:07.29 | Sicelo | yes |
| 12:07.45 | PiZZaMartijn | i killed my previous one |
| 12:08.00 | Sicelo | with a hammer? |
| 12:08.01 | PiZZaMartijn | but that was more of a hardware issue. it was broken in half |
| 12:08.09 | Sicelo | lol |
| 12:08.30 | KotCzarny | yes, but software wise its almost impossible ;) |
| 12:08.38 | fishbulb | seriously this has been the most durable phone |
| 12:08.52 | fishbulb | I've been biking, and it's flown off REALLY across concrete and rocks and stuff |
| 12:09.06 | fishbulb | any modern phone would be a smashed piece of crap |
| 12:09.19 | Sicelo | with u-boot, i can recommend you look into bootmenu as well. but read the documentation properly |
| 12:09.30 | PiZZaMartijn | someone drove over mine, that was a pretty sad day for me |
| 12:10.17 | fishbulb | I've dropped the crap out of one, and dropped it in the toilet. that made me change the screen |
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| 12:10.30 | fishbulb | and I mean like submarine and down there for a while too. full of water. |
| 12:10.49 | fishbulb | and it could have been saved I think, if I didn't try to squeegee the water out of the LCD |
| 12:10.55 | fishbulb | with force. like an idiot. |
| 12:11.35 | fishbulb | but in terms of dings and stuff it's great, and the plastic screen doesn't shatter IMMEDIATELY. (it's really hard to shatter actually) |
| 12:12.12 | fishbulb | scratches slightly easier, but who the hell carries rocks and nails against the phone screen? |
| 12:12.26 | PiZZaMartijn | yeah but my screen is extremly scratched (got this one second hand), i should get a new digitizer in a few days |
| 12:12.40 | fishbulb | don't get the chinese ones they suck. |
| 12:12.46 | KotCzarny | for scratches you can simply put the screen protector (cheap and disposable) |
| 12:13.03 | fishbulb | yeah I know. there are mirrored ones are pretty cool. |
| 12:13.11 | PiZZaMartijn | damn i got the cheapest chinese on i could find |
| 12:13.40 | fishbulb | I might have got a bad experience but my chinese one was really bad, not responsive, didn't really react properly |
| 12:13.44 | KotCzarny | there are so many n900s with broken modem/usb port, but with perfect screen/digitizer |
| 12:13.49 | KotCzarny | and go cheap too |
| 12:14.40 | fishbulb | the one time I messed up a usb port was really bad, the traces came off |
| 12:14.54 | fishbulb | it's not TOO hard but if the traces come off you're screwed |
| 12:15.13 | fishbulb | and they can if the thing has been yanked out. |
| 12:23.54 | PiZZaMartijn | kingston microsd-to-sd adapters really suck |
| 12:25.47 | Sicelo | with no traces, yyou can still fix :) |
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| 12:26.16 | Sicelo | use test pints. they work, but just not as efficiently as the correct location |
| 12:27.48 | PiZZaMartijn | or just botch some wireless charging circuitry in there |
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| 12:35.57 | enyc | fishbulb: yes its' very fixable, the cable can run either to some pads they connect to under a metal can, or ran on thin wires all the way across to some tp pads under battery area |
| 12:36.24 | enyc | fishbulb: my n900's have upside-down micro-USB connectors soldered to all the metalwork around firmwly, wiht wires coming off |
| 12:36.36 | enyc | fishbulb: and a little filing to the case to take the connector toher way over etc |
| 12:36.49 | fishbulb | yeah I know there are some gpio pins but you need tiny components to convert that to usb |
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| 12:37.08 | fishbulb | safely. you need a couple of tiny resistors and a diode I think |
| 12:37.11 | Wizzup | enyc: want to make some pictures? |
| 12:37.14 | fishbulb | cap maybe? I forget |
| 12:38.04 | fishbulb | I still have a perfect condition phone with no usb. and no traces. it'll get done but it's fiddly work. |
| 12:38.09 | enyc | Wizzup: not at the momen,t don't realyl want to take apart ;p |
| 12:38.28 | fishbulb | to safely do it I read you SHOULD have a few components |
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| 12:39.08 | fishbulb | how many do you have? |
| 12:39.13 | fishbulb | with this mod? |
| 12:39.39 | enyc | at least 2 , possible 3rd board but was broken in some other way (flash failure iirc) |
| 12:41.46 | fishbulb | I got a couple of working ones then the really good condition broken usb, that will lsat longer because I dont' touch it :) |
| 12:42.56 | fishbulb | some dings and hits on the working ones. one I don't even use. it's a spare battery charger at this point. until I need it.. or parts from it. I'll combine all the good ones. ok cheers I need to disconnect |
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| 13:06.35 | enyc | Wizzup: i'm sure there are some good fixing it guides online |
| 13:06.38 | enyc | Wizzup: with pictures |
| 13:06.56 | enyc | Wizzup: try to find the one which actually opened nearby metal can and connected through the protection components locally |
| 13:07.09 | Wizzup | I am not in desperate need, just curious |
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| 17:33.26 | ceene | someone who'd like to implement textsecure on yappari? |
| 17:43.20 | ceene | all the libraries are already ported |
| 17:44.29 | Pali | freemangordon: pong |
| 17:44.31 | Pali | I was afk |
| 17:50.30 | ceene | ~seen coderus |
| 17:50.33 | infobot | coderus is currently on #harmattan. Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 8h 46m 36s, last said: 'if so then i really cant help more :)'. |
| 17:55.35 | PiZZaMartijn | well I FINALLY have all the dependencies I need to build a modern kernel for the N900 :) |
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| 18:15.54 | PiZZaMartijn | well shit. does the N900 charge when in the uboot menu? |
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| 18:39.51 | Pali | PiZZaMartijn: no, u-boot does not have charge support |
| 18:40.31 | PiZZaMartijn | Pali: So I have to wait to get a external charger? the battery doesn't have enough power to boot maemo |
| 18:41.13 | Pali | PiZZaMartijn: NOLO should charge battery until it has enought power to boot Maemo and start BME |
| 18:41.27 | Pali | if you have working Maemo userspace, it should work |
| 18:42.52 | PiZZaMartijn | actually as soon as I put in the microusb cable it will try to boot to maemo and fail |
| 18:43.05 | PiZZaMartijn | and i have a working userspace |
| 18:44.46 | Pali | connect wallcharger |
| 18:45.16 | PiZZaMartijn | that is what I'm using |
| 18:45.22 | Pali | if you have working userspace, boot maemo from uboot and let it alone |
| 18:45.36 | Pali | after e.g. 30 min it should work |
| 18:46.09 | Pali | what do you mean by "fail"? |
| 18:49.37 | PiZZaMartijn | white nokia logo screen -> uboot -> starting kernel -> black screen -> go to start |
| 18:49.50 | PiZZaMartijn | and the backlight doesn't turn on the whole sequence |
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| 18:50.45 | PiZZaMartijn | hmm if I remove the battery and put it back in and then apply power it wont immediatly start booting |
| 18:50.52 | PiZZaMartijn | wait now it does :S |
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| 18:58.52 | Pali | PiZZaMartijn: do you see yellow led? |
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| 18:59.29 | PiZZaMartijn | Pali: yes the yellow led is on |
| 19:00.27 | Pali | it is blinking? or always on? |
| 19:01.49 | PiZZaMartijn | always on |
| 19:02.02 | Pali | thats emergency charging |
| 19:02.13 | PiZZaMartijn | ok that sounds good |
| 19:02.22 | Pali | should charge battery to at least minimal value needed for booting |
| 19:02.51 | Pali | after 29 min HW will stop emergency charging |
| 19:03.13 | PiZZaMartijn | ok, I will wait for a while |
| 19:03.15 | Pali | hope it will be enough |
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| 20:42.39 | KotCzarny | https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/ |
| 20:43.04 | KotCzarny | not a bad look in systemd |
| 20:48.36 | KotCzarny | https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ |
| 20:48.39 | KotCzarny | uh-oh |
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