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| 09:24.39 | Sicelo | one other thing on my N900 that's likely related to the weird hwkbd behaviour is: the screen rotates even when keyboard is out |
| 09:26.08 | Sicelo | but dmesg shows proper detection of slide in/out |
| 09:29.15 | Sicelo | clearly if 'UI' doesn't notice keyboard being out, then I won't get symbol table, or spelling auto-complete when typing using hwkbd |
| 09:33.22 | Sicelo | actually, vkbd pops up occassionally with keyboard slid out |
| 09:34.54 | Sicelo | question: what communicates the state of keyboard to hildon* ? |
| 09:35.05 | Sicelo | mce? dbus? or something else? |
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| 09:45.57 | Maxdamantus | Based on grepping random stuff, I'm guessing ke-recv communicates it over gconf using some /system/osso/af/keyboard-attached property and hildon_im_keyboard_monitor.so (presumably loaded in the HIM process) picks it up. |
| 09:46.06 | Maxdamantus | but dunno how gconf works, too crazy for me. |
| 09:47.00 | Maxdamantus | Looks like something called "hulda" is also involved. |
| 09:47.21 | Maxdamantus | I'd try just killing hulda, ke-recv and hildon-input-manager. |
| 09:48.02 | Sicelo | ok. let me try |
| 09:53.21 | Maxdamantus | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.21 | Maxdamantus | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.42 | Maxdamantus | which indeed includes hulda. |
| 10:00.58 | Sicelo | no different |
| 10:03.35 | Sicelo | reinstalling it |
| 10:04.25 | Sicelo | no difference reinstalling ke-recv-extra either. |
| 10:04.54 | Sicelo | what's annoying is that i can't recall doing anything to change this. crazy |
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| 10:26.33 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.14 | Maxdamantus | That's set by ke-recv. |
| 10:33.28 | Maxdamantus | in response to .. hald-addon-omap-gpio from hald? |
| 10:34.04 | Sicelo | the plot thickens :) |
| 10:34.22 | Sicelo | Maxdamantus: where are you getting this info? |
| 10:34.33 | Maxdamantus | Does /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_slide in the output of `lshal` look .. suspicious? |
| 10:34.55 | Maxdamantus | Sicelo: grepping a backup of my system and the git repository of ke-recv. |
| 10:35.39 | Maxdamantus | wonders if it's okay to kill hald. |
| 10:38.40 | Sicelo | output in lshal same for both N900. only difference is button.state.value is true on N900 with problem |
| 10:39.38 | Maxdamantus | Can you see hald-addon-omap-gpio in `ps aux | grep hald-addon`? |
| 10:40.03 | Maxdamantus | If I kill that process, it doesn't come back and my /slide-open value is stuck on false too. |
| 10:40.53 | Sicelo | i have hald-addon-gpio |
| 10:41.03 | Sicelo | not omap-gpio |
| 10:42.03 | Maxdamantus | Ah, yeah, that. |
| 10:42.11 | Maxdamantus | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.23 | Maxdamantus | the answer to whether it's okay to kill hald is: no. |
| 10:45.30 | Sicelo | :) |
| 10:45.33 | Sicelo | causes a reboot? |
| 10:45.35 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 10:45.37 | Maxdamantus | Yes. |
| 10:45.57 | Sicelo | i'm trying to avoid restarting, lol |
| 10:45.58 | Maxdamantus | Actually, I sent it a USR1 just in case it did something special with that. |
| 10:46.20 | Sicelo | i'll rather remain with problem for a while until other causes reboot it |
| 10:48.21 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:48.22 | KotCzarny | sicelo, your poor n900 seems to be in bad shape, mine only reboots when battery dries out |
| 10:48.51 | KotCzarny | maybe you should consider reflash? and documenting all tweaks you do on the way? |
| 10:49.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: slide open/close is logged to syslog. See what you got there and particularly if it suddenly stalls and what else happened around there |
| 10:49.28 | Sicelo | no reflash. what makes you tnik it's bad shape KotCzarny? :) |
| 10:49.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | assuming you use syslog |
| 10:49.44 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: i have bad battery. that's what reboots it too |
| 10:50.19 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: syslog reports no issues |
| 10:50.31 | KotCzarny | sicelo: things that stop working arent a sign of healthy os ;) |
| 10:50.48 | KotCzarny | do you watch swap usage? |
| 10:50.54 | Sicelo | well i'm not reflashing or rebooting anytime soon |
| 10:50.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, this was too fast, not even I would have been able to |
| 10:51.02 | Sicelo | swap is ok. |
| 10:51.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | does your syslog still report slide events? |
| 10:52.17 | Sicelo | yes. slide appears fine |
| 10:52.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, ok |
| 10:52.27 | Sicelo | Jan 28 12:50:07 fremantle kernel: [93737.584655] slide (GPIO 71) is now closed |
| 10:52.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | red herring then |
| 10:52.30 | Maxdamantus | syslog probably just logs it from the kernel. |
| 10:52.50 | Maxdamantus | Yeah. |
| 10:53.12 | Maxdamantus | (you can also see those messages with `dmesg`) |
| 10:53.16 | Sicelo | yes |
| 10:53.22 | Sicelo | that's where i checked 1st |
| 10:53.23 | Maxdamantus | or maybe `cat /dev/kmsg`) |
| 10:53.47 | Maxdamantus | maybe not that .. EINVAL for me. |
| 10:55.38 | KotCzarny | dbus monitor? |
| 10:55.58 | KotCzarny | open/close on healthy device, open/close on yours, compare? |
| 10:56.04 | Sicelo | didnt' have anything interesting when i looked yesterday (dbus-monitor) |
| 10:56.19 | KotCzarny | but i mean comparing to working device |
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| 11:01.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: for forensic purposes, do a ps aux>ps-before.txt |
| 11:03.30 | Sicelo | done |
| 11:04.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | after next boot do ps aux > ps-after.txt |
| 11:04.12 | Sicelo | there's no dbus signal for slide event on this N900 |
| 11:04.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 11:04.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much |
| 11:05.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like hald, no? |
| 11:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | dammit, new router, IP of IroN900 changed, no ssh |
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| 11:11.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ftiggin fritzbox! how do I define a specific IP address for a MAC? I have "always assign this IP to this device" checkmark but I can't edit the IP |
| 11:11.49 | Sicelo | it will reserve the current ip |
| 11:12.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 11:12.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I want a different specific IP assigned to my device |
| 11:13.02 | Maxdamantus | dhcpcd -r â¹addr⺠wlan0 |
| 11:13.23 | Maxdamantus | Then see if it gives you that address, and try to set it then. |
| 11:13.54 | Sicelo | udhcpc should have that i believe |
| 11:14.26 | Sicelo | so for my issue... looks like reboot incoming? |
| 11:17.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | how would I do some udhcpc when there's no telnet or ssh? |
| 11:18.09 | KotCzarny | someone tell him about reverse ssh |
| 11:18.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I tricked it by limiting dhcp range so it picked the right IP on re-login, but hey that SUCKS |
| 11:19.07 | KotCzarny | and that he should set ip on n900 to fixed value with ifconfig, then reserve it on router |
| 11:20.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/01/28/plasma-desktopwk3616.png |
| 11:21.32 | Sicelo | meant udhcpc on N900.. that's how N900 requests ip address info from any dhcp server |
| 11:22.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah yep, that would've been my next approach: use fixed IP on device |
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| 11:26.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/67399794 |
| 11:29.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/45229752 |
| 11:34.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and FWIW http://paste.opensuse.org/19453129 |
| 11:34.46 | Maxdamantus | egrep '/dev/input/event[0-3]' |
| 11:35.07 | kerio | i wish i had a fritzbox |
| 11:35.09 | kerio | :c |
| 11:43.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather fritzbox than fritzchip |
| 11:43.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 11:45.28 | kerio | the only viable replacement for my ISP-provided router is a 200⬠fritzbox |
| 11:45.38 | kerio | but, yknow |
| 11:45.39 | kerio | it's 200⬠|
| 11:46.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, the 7490 is 199 bucks, but hey it comes with a number of feature |
| 11:47.00 | kerio | alternatively i could keep using the ISP-provided router and chain my own router behind it |
| 11:47.10 | kerio | it supports pppoe bridging |
| 11:47.21 | kerio | but it's already so huge :| |
| 11:47.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I attached a 5TB vfat hdd to mine for all media shit, even N900 mediaplayer shows them now and plays them like a charm. also DECT/VoIP/ISDN/POTS/TAM |
| 11:49.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | VPN |
| 11:50.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course WLAN with all bells and whistles |
| 11:50.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and basically linux |
| 11:50.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | though no telnet or ssh anymore, GRRRR >:-( |
| 11:51.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | sunno, maybe I need to flash freetz zo it |
| 11:51.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno even |
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| 11:58.12 | kerio | yea i need a VDSL modem |
| 11:58.28 | kerio | but apparently the one in the fritzbox is slightly more susceptible to line noise than the one i already have |
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| 11:59.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, no idea. I wish I had VDSL ;-) |
| 12:00.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I run the fritzbox as bridged router, since the 'modem' is a fritzbox in my neighbor's office |
| 12:01.00 | kerio | http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5014013682 |
| 12:01.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW I don't have _any_ *DSL |
| 12:03.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://beta.speedtest.net/result/5036255230 |
| 12:08.10 | Sicelo | finally rebooted anyway. hwkbd working fine |
| 12:09.48 | Sicelo | thanks for the interesting info Maxdamantus :) |
| 12:16.20 | Maxdamantus | np |
| 12:21.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | (fritzbox) http://192.168.4.1/html/capture.html http://wstaw.org/m/2016/01/28/plasma-desktopHX3616.png |
| 12:21.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn nice for a router |
| 12:23.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | more complete: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/01/28/plasma-desktopwx3616.png |
| 12:23.18 | Wizzup | Feature wise for sure |
| 12:24.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | guest WLAN |
| 12:24.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | not for me though, works only in genuine modem mode |
| 12:25.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I wouldn't want to expose my neighbor's LAN to a guest WLAN, even if my own subnet was separated |
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| 12:46.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: any notable diffs between ps-before.txt and ps-after.txt ? |
| 12:50.55 | Sicelo | bad - http://paste.debian.net/374492/ |
| 12:50.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | sort -k 11 |
| 12:51.29 | Sicelo | good - http://paste.debian.net/374493/ |
| 12:51.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | also that's no diff |
| 12:51.33 | Sicelo | hmm |
| 13:06.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/67038317 |
| 13:07.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/01/28/plasma-desktopqm3616.png |
| 13:10.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | the only faintly interesting thing: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/01/28/plasma-desktopXT3616.png |
| 13:11.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat ~/tmp/sicelobad | cut -c 26-90|sort >~/tmp/sicsortbad |
| 13:14.40 | Sicelo | the highlighted stuff? green & pink? |
| 13:16.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/01/28/plasma-desktopMj3616.png and http://wstaw.org/m/2016/01/28/plasma-desktophM3616.png don't look exciting |
| 13:16.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: actually nothing of all that looks like kbd-related |
| 13:16.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | the red one looks a bit fishy but still unrelated |
| 13:17.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pity you got braindead crioppled messybox-ps |
| 13:18.03 | Sicelo | i don't see how those would be responsible. just more likely one of dbus/hald or something else cashed at some point. maybe syslog would have show it if i had been quicker to follow up on the issue. |
| 13:18.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | though maybe here it's irrelevant |
| 13:18.27 | Sicelo | as it was, it had been some days already, and i've got log rotation set up. |
| 13:18.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch :-) |
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| 13:21.33 | Sicelo | Vajb: ended up rebooting to fix my hwkbd. working fine now. |
| 13:21.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I strongly recommend installing procps |
| 13:21.53 | bencoh | +1 |
| 13:22.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | messybox is useless, even the powa |
| 13:22.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox |
| 13:22.39 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, diff as used by mc...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 13:22.43 | Sicelo | will do |
| 13:23.36 | Sicelo | but would that really have helped in this one? i doubt, but i agree it's good for other troubleshooting |
| 13:23.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 13:24.00 | Sicelo | The following packages will be REMOVED: busybox-symlinks-procps mp-fremantle-community-pr |
| 13:24.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | it however would have cost me a 15 minutes less to figure why my approach didn't work for your ps lists |
| 13:24.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | STILL?? |
| 13:24.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | FFS!! |
| 13:25.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody told me mp-fremantle-community-pr dependency got fixed meanwhile |
| 13:25.53 | Vajb | Sicelo: do ou feel like using windows phone? haha |
| 13:25.59 | Vajb | you* |
| 13:26.32 | Sicelo | no. my N900 is all things and more to me :) |
| 13:26.42 | Sicelo | everything else doesn't matter |
| 13:26.59 | Vajb | hehe |
| 13:27.19 | KotCzarny | will it blend though? |
| 13:27.24 | Vajb | im so happy with my idea with panucci. I just wonder why i didn't think of it sooner. |
| 13:27.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | GRRR! pastebin shit |
| 13:27.35 | bencoh | panucci? |
| 13:28.33 | Sicelo | audiobook program |
| 13:28.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/92642697 |
| 13:29.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: ^^^ |
| 13:31.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | procps: *** 1:3.2.7-11maemo1+0m5 0 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages |
| 13:32.21 | Sicelo | it's offering me same one |
| 13:32.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc why I still (again?) have mp-fremantle-community-pr then |
| 13:33.06 | KotCzarny | sicelo, which cssu do you have? |
| 13:33.52 | Sicelo | *** 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11+thumb0 |
| 13:34.05 | Sicelo | that's my mp-fremantle-community-pr |
| 13:34.08 | Sicelo | thumb |
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| 13:57.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, prolly has this problem not fixed then |
| 14:01.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm no, my community-pr also has it: http://paste.opensuse.org/51829869 |
| 14:02.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | so maybe my procps doesn't mess with symlinks on a busybox-symlinks-procps level, but rather fixes them with some postinst script or sth? |
| 14:03.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/level/dpkg dependency level/ |
| 14:04.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, nfc |
| 14:04.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ll /bin/ps |
| 14:04.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 97868 2009-11-16 16:02 /bin/ps |
| 14:05.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ^^^ ? |
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| 15:32.44 | fishbulb | hey is yappari broken again? |
| 15:34.56 | kerio | openssl security advisory |
| 15:34.58 | kerio | Support for versions 0.9.8 and 1.0.0 ended on 31st December 2015. Those versions |
| 15:34.58 | kerio | are no longer receiving security updates. |
| 15:35.22 | kerio | are we going to do something about that? |
| 15:36.09 | fishbulb | who is we and what are you talking about |
| 15:37.39 | kerio | we as in maemo |
| 15:37.48 | kerio | fremantle is still running openssl 0.9.8 |
| 15:38.22 | merlin1991 | kerio: there are some threads on tmo regarding moving to the 1.x series |
| 15:38.32 | fishbulb | secure socket layer |
| 15:38.41 | fishbulb | who needs that |
| 15:43.28 | fishbulb | I need emoticons and whatsapp |
| 15:43.31 | fishbulb | oh it's working again. |
| 15:46.27 | kerio | you're welcome |
| 15:49.26 | fishbulb | for? |
| 15:49.39 | fishbulb | hey is this thing running python on my phone becuase it TEARS through battery |
| 15:49.51 | fishbulb | are you one of the yappari guys? |
| 15:51.05 | kerio | no |
| 15:51.07 | kerio | it was a joke |
| 15:51.17 | kerio | i doubt the python is doing that |
| 15:51.32 | kerio | umts data transfer chews through battery |
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| 18:05.02 | freemangordon | Pali: ping |
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| 18:57.12 | freemangordon | Pali: ping |
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| 19:33.03 | ceene | fishbulb: yappari doesn't use python, it's written on c++ Qt |
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| 19:34.40 | ceene | also, yappari hasn't got any busy waiting, it's event driven, so the battery issue is probably just due to you being 3g connected all the time |
| 19:35.02 | ceene | batteries also end up dying, so maybe yours is simply too old now |
| 19:35.31 | ceene | every patch to solve any issue you're experiencing is always welcome, though :) |
| 19:41.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | guesswork ;-) For CPU load there is htop (among others), for activity monitoring there's zzztop, and for battery there's bq27k-detail2.sh |
| 19:42.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and bq27200.sh |
| 19:43.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3g "connected" isn't the problem. Actually data transfer (incl simple pings) in any direction is, though |
| 19:44.41 | kerio | fwiw the last time i tried yappari it was doing all the right things regarding battery consumption |
| 19:44.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | worst thing to happen: your cellular provider doesn't NAT you to avoid inbound pings and other connection attempts |
| 19:45.17 | kerio | worst thing to happen: cancer |
| 19:45.40 | kerio | not being firewalled at the provider side is also pretty bad tho |
| 19:46.17 | ceene | i use powertop to check what happens on the background and yappari isn't a big offender, nor a small one even |
| 19:46.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 19:46.33 | ceene | although it's true that WA servers send a ping from time to time |
| 19:46.58 | kerio | does yappari still get me banned from the service |
| 19:47.00 | ceene | i mean, having it running is of course gonna use more battery than not having it |
| 19:47.14 | ceene | kerio: only if you create a group |
| 19:51.17 | fishbulb | hello |
| 19:51.48 | fishbulb | it does work, I talk to one person at a time |
| 19:52.00 | fishbulb | but something is HOSING the battery |
| 19:52.07 | Sicelo | powertop |
| 19:52.08 | Sicelo | or |
| 19:52.12 | Sicelo | ~zzztop |
| 19:52.12 | infobot | hmm... zzztop is - the better and even FOSS powertop - http://wiki.maemo.org/Zzztop |
| 19:52.21 | fishbulb | but does that give times? |
| 19:52.37 | ceene | ain't that a music group? :) |
| 19:52.48 | fishbulb | honestly I should look at the battery graph and correlate it to powertop |
| 19:52.58 | fishbulb | like when the screen is on, what the modem is doing |
| 19:53.00 | Sicelo | ceene: ;) |
| 19:53.08 | Sicelo | i think this has one more Z |
| 19:53.09 | fishbulb | zz top |
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| 19:53.35 | fishbulb | is there a good weather app that still works? |
| 19:54.07 | Sicelo | i'd say there are many? foreca works for me |
| 19:54.28 | fishbulb | what are the other ones? |
| 19:54.49 | fishbulb | how do I check my phone for a rootkit too. |
| 19:54.57 | Sicelo | dunno, but why would they not work? omweather? |
| 19:55.23 | fishbulb | I've tried them on and off and they all had problems with the international date line |
| 19:55.33 | fishbulb | I'm in australia |
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| 19:55.58 | fishbulb | so unless someone did more work between like a year ago and now |
| 19:57.10 | Sicelo | hmm, international date line? |
| 19:57.29 | fishbulb | yeah it always shows yesterday |
| 19:57.36 | fishbulb | or the wrong day. |
| 19:57.51 | fishbulb | I'm from the future. ok ther's qtweather 0.0.4 |
| 19:58.07 | fishbulb | I mean qtweather+ zero.zero.4 |
| 19:58.20 | fishbulb | um. is that a stable release |
| 20:05.45 | fishbulb | omweather shows tomorrow actually |
| 20:06.05 | fishbulb | that's literlaly the future, it's having more than trouble with the date line |
| 20:06.13 | fishbulb | nobody is in that time zone. |
| 20:06.45 | Sicelo | australia? let me look |
| 20:07.04 | fishbulb | try sydney or melbourne |
| 20:07.04 | Sicelo | fishbulb: what about the related website? what does it show? |
| 20:07.16 | fishbulb | um. on the phone? |
| 20:09.08 | fishbulb | where is this related website |
| 20:09.18 | fishbulb | also omweather is from 2006 |
| 20:10.09 | fishbulb | if I can't find the related website by clicking all the buttons I'll uninstall this again |
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| 20:16.52 | Sicelo | foreca.com for example (in the case of Foreca Weather) |
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| 20:30.19 | fishbulb | foreca shows the right one |
| 20:30.33 | fishbulb | man. this phone is slow. a cheap tablet is faster |
| 20:30.47 | fishbulb | this is like an abusive relationship |
| 20:31.13 | fishbulb | why can't I let this thing go? |
| 20:33.44 | freemangordon | Pali: ping |
| 20:34.10 | fishbulb | what is the smallest computer with a keyboard |
| 20:34.30 | fishbulb | I remember when netbooks were cool sony had one that was tiny |
| 20:34.36 | KotCzarny | depends what you consider keyboard |
| 20:34.39 | fishbulb | I sitll have all my netbooks. they're useful. |
| 20:34.51 | KotCzarny | n5510 had a keyboard |
| 20:34.55 | fishbulb | everyone here obviously considers this thing a keyboard. it's tiny but it works |
| 20:35.05 | fishbulb | I mean x86 or something |
| 20:35.21 | fishbulb | maybe not that but something that's chunkier than this phone. and faster. |
| 20:35.34 | fishbulb | this thing doesn't fit in my pocket anyway. |
| 20:37.09 | KotCzarny | there are computers that fit in the keyboard |
| 20:38.16 | KotCzarny | im in love with my banana |
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| 20:53.00 | brolin_empey | fishbulb: Have you considered the BlackBerry Priv? Reportedly, the end user of the Priv cannot have superuser access, which is probably a deal breaker for me. |
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| 20:53.32 | fishbulb | I'm looking at some blackberry that runs android |
| 20:53.47 | fishbulb | I don't MIND android. cyanogenmod is good |
| 20:54.13 | fishbulb | you have to have root acces but I have to consider this as a dumb phone |
| 20:54.36 | fishbulb | tiny resistive screen, there's whatsapp texts and calls. and nothing else |
| 20:55.04 | brolin_empey | I prefer the integrated hardware keyboard of the Nokia C6-00 over the integrated hardware keyboard of the Nokia N900. |
| 20:55.04 | fishbulb | most stupid apps are just mobile wrappers and there is a browser but sometimes I notice that my life is ending before my eyes while I wait for something to load |
| 20:56.03 | fishbulb | symbian? did nokia go insane |
| 20:56.16 | fishbulb | that was a cool os back in the early 2000's |
| 20:56.24 | fishbulb | but for a 2010 phone |
| 20:56.50 | fishbulb | ok so the answer is still "nothing better than n900" |
| 21:01.55 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: The model of 30-GB Kingston mSATA card I use cost 45 CAD from Synnex in Canada in year 2015. The model of KingSpec 32-GB 2.5-inch PATA SSD I use costs around 40 USD including shipping to Canada from an eBay seller in one of the two Chinas. Which model of PATAâmSATA converter do you use and what is the price of it? |
| 21:03.21 | brolin_empey | fishbulb: Will you consider using the BlackBerry 10 OS? Then you can have an integrated hardware keyboard. |
| 21:03.57 | fishbulb | that blackberry priv looks alright |
| 21:04.11 | fishbulb | a new phone is not in the budget |
| 21:04.16 | fishbulb | the budget for living |
| 21:05.09 | brolin_empey | fishbulb: The BlackBerry Priv runs the Android OS, not any version of the BlackBerry OS (including BlackBerry 10). |
| 21:05.47 | fishbulb | it's 600+ dollars |
| 21:05.54 | brolin_empey | fishbulb: BlackBerry 10 is based on QNX, which uses a microkernel as opposed to a monolithic kernel such as Linux. |
| 21:05.57 | fishbulb | I have 2 n900's left |
| 21:06.50 | brolin_empey | QNX is also a real-time OS, unlike Linux. |
| 21:19.39 | fishbulb | linux isn't realtime? |
| 21:19.51 | fishbulb | what are you talking about |
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| 21:24.08 | ceene | linux isn't a real time OS, although there are patches and things |
| 21:26.57 | fishbulb | I don't really understand |
| 21:27.20 | fishbulb | for example the difference between arduino |
| 21:28.37 | fishbulb | and pressing enter, and raspi, is the "real time operating system" which is linux |
| 21:28.49 | fishbulb | instead of running just one set of commands over and over and over |
| 21:29.23 | ceene | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real-time_computing |
| 21:29.48 | ceene | again, linux is not a real time os |
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| 21:33.27 | fishbulb | is windows then |
| 21:33.47 | fishbulb | maybe this is a level above the most common useage of the two things |
| 21:33.51 | fishbulb | like, a game cartridge |
| 21:34.02 | fishbulb | or a computer that can do things. |
| 21:34.25 | ceene | i don't understand what you're saying |
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| 21:36.32 | Sicelo | maybe he will understand if you illustrate with N900 .. has it ever happened that phone rings (N900) and it's not possible to answer the call as N900 is busy roating the screen or displaying the buttons? Likely it has. That behaviour is not acceptable on an RTOS |
| 21:36.45 | fishbulb | ok right. |
| 21:36.50 | fishbulb | hahaha. |
| 21:37.48 | fishbulb | I feel like that was explained with bananas. so raspberry pi vs arduino? rpi is supposed to be a realtime os |
| 21:38.19 | Sicelo | hardware :) |
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| 21:39.35 | ceene | rpi is hardware, arduino is hardware, the software that runs on both of them can either be RT or not |
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| 22:05.14 | Maxdamantus | The screen rotation thing has happened to me multiple times. |
| 22:05.42 | Maxdamantus | Though that's a CSSU thing that I disabled after it happened a few times. |
| 22:07.38 | fishbulb | ok I put mypaint into fullscreen and it won't go out of fullscreen |
| 22:08.06 | fishbulb | wouldn't it be great to know 100% of the functions of all the things you own |
| 22:08.41 | fishbulb | is there a keyboard shortcut for getting stuff out of fullscreen |
| 22:12.53 | ceene | ctrl-backspace |
| 22:13.24 | fishbulb | that brings it into the open windows |
| 22:13.34 | fishbulb | mypaint is still fullscreen with no menu functions |
| 22:14.56 | fishbulb | f11 |
| 22:14.59 | fishbulb | where is this |
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| 22:18.55 | brolin_empey | fishbulb: BlackBerry 10 can run Android OS applications. What do you think of the new BlackBerry Classic AKA the BlackBerry Q20 (the successor to the BlackBerry Q10)? |
| 22:19.20 | fishbulb | I don't know because I don't look at new phones |
| 22:19.33 | fishbulb | that would require 700 spare dollars |
| 22:20.35 | brolin_empey | fishbulb: The price of the BlackBerry Classic is (much) lower than the price of the BlackBerry Priv. |
| 22:23.46 | brolin_empey | fishbulb: You can also consider the Nokia N950 if you can acquire one. |
| 22:24.20 | fishbulb | a faster and better n900? |
| 22:26.46 | fishbulb | shift+F |
| 22:26.51 | fishbulb | this isn't really working |
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