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| 02:42.55 | Maxdamantus | now has 160 GB of storage. |
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| 04:35.00 | Maxdamantus | might look into fixing camera-ui. |
| 04:35.38 | Maxdamantus | Can never seem to unmount then remount the SD card and have camera-ui still work. |
| 04:36.04 | Maxdamantus | and stracing it again, I'm reminded that whenever you try to focus it scans a bunch of icon files and stuff in the filesystem. |
| 04:38.40 | Maxdamantus | would also like to get it so the focus can be locked. |
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| 06:45.03 | Sicelo | ceene: looks like yappari days coming to an end? |
| 06:45.07 | Sicelo | :) |
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| 07:05.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | a slightly off topic advice: when you try to copy 200GB from SATA ext4 to USB3 attached ntfs under linux, you're better off to nice and ionice the mount.ntfs [SIC!] process as well as the cp |
| 07:07.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's incredible how a simple cp in a user shell can freeze the complete GUI |
| 07:08.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not too surprised now that copying large amounts of data from eMMC to uSD (or vice versa) on maemo has similar nasty effects |
| 07:10.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/89945088 |
| 07:11.06 | Maxdamantus | DocScrutinizer05: how big are the files? |
| 07:11.19 | Maxdamantus | has noticed ntfs-3g struggles with large files. |
| 07:11.43 | Maxdamantus | struggles as in: uses insane amounts of CPU for some reason. |
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| 07:12.29 | Maxdamantus | though large as in a few tens of GB. |
| 07:14.18 | Maxdamantus | Linux's general write caching behaviour does often seem annoying too, but that's not related to the weird ntfs-3g behaviour. |
| 07:15.17 | Maxdamantus | (that's relevant when copying from a fast source to a slower oneâit quickly exhausts the system's writeback cache so everything else doing writes suffers) |
| 07:16.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you wonder: .flac, .iso, .vob |
| 07:17.27 | Maxdamantus | Mk, probably not that big then. |
| 07:17.39 | Maxdamantus | It'll probably just be the general Linux caching issue. |
| 07:17.53 | KotCzarny | maxd, iso and vob can be tens of gigs big |
| 07:18.09 | Maxdamantus | I sometimes periodically STOP/CONT the copying process. |
| 07:18.16 | KotCzarny | and yes, ntfs is nasty with big files |
| 07:18.23 | Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: unlikely for VOB, since DVDs usually split them into 1 GiB files. |
| 07:18.46 | Maxdamantus | and if they're not from DVDs .. kind of weird to distribute stuff using VOB. |
| 07:21.19 | Maxdamantus | With the STOP/CONT method, you don't lose any efficiency, just as long as you always continue it again before the writeback cache is empty (look for dirty size in /proc/meminfo) |
| 07:21.56 | KotCzarny | maybe its some inherent fallacy with ntfs and big files |
| 07:22.11 | KotCzarny | hard to think ntfs-3g guys overlooked the issue |
| 07:22.25 | KotCzarny | (it's present in all releases i've seen) |
| 07:22.37 | Maxdamantus | I think when I looked into it there might have been some suggestion about lack of proper handling of fragmentation or something. |
| 07:22.59 | Maxdamantus | (but again, that's independent of the other caching issue in Linux) |
| 07:30.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, finished |
| 07:36.28 | Maxdamantus | 19:51 < Maxdamantus> while killall -STOP rsync; do while (($(cat /proc/meminfo | sed '/^Dirty/!d; s/^.*: *//; s/ .*$//') > 2000000)); do sleep 5; done; killall -CONT rsync; sleep 10; done |
| 07:36.40 | Maxdamantus | Something I found in my logs. |
| 08:57.24 | Maxdamantus | Hm. camera-ui seems to have many strange behaviours. |
| 08:57.31 | Maxdamantus | Well, strange implementation behaviours. |
| 08:57.40 | Maxdamantus | wonders how similar they are to the original version. |
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| 11:09.21 | ceene | Sicelo: it may be |
| 11:09.33 | ceene | i've woken up to it |
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| 11:28.37 | ceene | let's try and see what i can do |
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| 11:57.16 | ceene | Sicelo: i've upgraded version numbers and that's been enough |
| 11:57.22 | ceene | i'm uploading this version right now |
| 11:57.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | moin |
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| 15:01.27 | Vajb | Sicelo: yeah i got "connection closed by server" in yappari. Guess im banned then |
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| 15:10.46 | ceene | Vajb: you aren't |
| 15:10.51 | ceene | just need to upgrade to latest version |
| 15:11.00 | ceene | that is currently on its way to reach the repos |
| 15:11.09 | ceene | but which is already linked on the TMO post :) |
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| 15:22.22 | Vajb | app manager shows upgrade and im installing it |
| 15:22.31 | ceene | it should be 2.0.23 |
| 15:22.37 | Vajb | ok |
| 15:22.41 | ceene | let me know if you have any problem with it |
| 15:22.48 | Vajb | yeah it is |
| 15:23.10 | Vajb | just waiting install to finnish |
| 15:29.12 | Vajb | ceene: it's alive, thx :) |
| 15:29.53 | ceene | great! :) |
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| 22:18.16 | fishbulb | hey |
| 22:18.20 | fishbulb | are the yappari guys here? |
| 22:18.33 | fishbulb | connection keeps being closed by server. it was working all night, now no go |
| 22:19.00 | fishbulb | if this thing is done, I think so is my n900 |
| 22:21.19 | ceene | fishbulb: when yappari stops working you should always go look at the TMO thread |
| 22:21.34 | fishbulb | the what thread |
| 22:21.58 | fishbulb | I don't really look at any of them, this thing barely works as a phone these days |
| 22:22.45 | fishbulb | it's literally the keyboard and lack of money or giving a crap that prevents me from switching to an android device |
| 22:22.55 | ceene | if you don't read the forums at talk.maemo.org you definitely miss the lot of things that are happening with this "not a phone" of yours :) |
| 22:23.10 | fishbulb | I'm sure I do |
| 22:23.13 | ceene | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94465 |
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| 22:24.20 | fishbulb | aw man. |
| 22:24.22 | fishbulb | so that's the end |
| 22:24.32 | fishbulb | it's up to random strangers to github it |
| 22:24.49 | fishbulb | what's an n900 worth these days? |
| 22:24.50 | ceene | why do you say that? |
| 22:25.01 | fishbulb | that page says development has stopped |
| 22:25.13 | ceene | man |
| 22:25.19 | fishbulb | and so far, it's been constant problems and bans |
| 22:25.22 | ceene | you really need some reading comprehesion skills |
| 22:25.43 | ceene | i've been maintainig yappari for a year now |
| 22:25.49 | ceene | and latest release is available as of today |
| 22:26.08 | ceene | latest version: 2.0.23 is in big bold letters |
| 22:26.28 | fishbulb | oh |
| 22:26.33 | fishbulb | I apt get it? |
| 22:26.42 | fishbulb | I don't think extras repo is even enabled |
| 22:26.53 | fishbulb | I mean extras testing |
| 22:27.01 | ceene | you read the whole post and try to comprehend it, and if you don't have repos you use some of the links on that very same post :) |
| 22:27.19 | ceene | maybe it's a bit verbose, i won't deny that |
| 22:27.21 | fishbulb | been up a couple of days and my brain isnt' working that well. |
| 22:27.42 | fishbulb | I have to stay up another 12 hours |
| 22:27.56 | ceene | that's not healthy |
| 22:28.03 | fishbulb | it's not. |
| 22:28.35 | ceene | i think after 48 hours of nonseep hallucinations begin to occur |
| 22:28.48 | ceene | you could die of that |
| 22:29.09 | fishbulb | I've heard it's possible |
| 22:29.52 | fishbulb | I don't mean two full 24 hour days, more like 30something, and if I don't want to mess this job up on monday I have to stay awake long enough so that I wake up in the morning |
| 22:31.04 | fishbulb | because having an apartment and power and stuff like that is a priveledge. |
| 22:31.16 | ceene | it would seem sometimes, yeah |
| 22:31.58 | fishbulb | well what's the alternative |
| 22:32.34 | ceene | citizen and workforce union i guess |
| 22:32.52 | fishbulb | erm. what? |
| 22:32.56 | ceene | lol |
| 22:33.01 | ceene | have you found the link for yappari? |
| 22:33.10 | fishbulb | it would help if I was a citizen of this country I suppose. |
| 22:33.30 | fishbulb | I can probably do without it. |
| 22:33.41 | ceene | right below 2.0.23 |
| 22:33.53 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.54 | fishbulb | if I don't mess things up |
| 22:35.36 | fishbulb | I'll just leave it until I'm a bit more focussed. |
| 22:36.09 | ceene | you should try and get some sleep |
| 22:36.27 | ceene | if you try to do some useful work in a sleep deprivation state you will more surely fuck it up |
| 22:36.30 | fishbulb | if I do I'll wake up in the middle of the night and screw up this job stuff tomorrow |
| 22:36.56 | fishbulb | well that's why I'm watching stuff, eating stuff, and playing the dumbest game I can think of |
| 22:36.59 | fishbulb | fallout 4 :/ |
| 22:37.26 | fishbulb | this honestly is a pretty brainless piece of crap. in a way it's close to sleeping |
| 22:37.40 | fishbulb | I mean meditation would be better, but I'd fall asleep |
| 22:38.07 | ceene | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/y/yappari/yappari_2.0.23_armel.deb |
| 22:38.10 | fishbulb | so the new version is out in the last few hours? is that why it was working until a couple of hours ago? |
| 22:38.23 | fishbulb | yeah I'm on a computer not my phone |
| 22:38.30 | ceene | it's been working fine for months, really |
| 22:38.33 | ceene | but as of yesterday |
| 22:38.43 | ceene | whatsapp stopped allowing old clients to connect |
| 22:38.48 | fishbulb | yeah I was geting some dropped messages |
| 22:39.02 | fishbulb | oh. so it really worked longer than it should have? |
| 22:39.18 | ceene | well, i think it's not always the same for everyone |
| 22:39.37 | ceene | they must have several servers and depending on where you are the changes sometimes don't affect everyone at the same time |
| 22:39.57 | fishbulb | yup. well good to know it's very recent |
| 22:40.08 | ceene | 12 hours ago or so i fixed it and pushed it to the repos |
| 22:40.16 | ceene | but they sometimes take a few hours to appear there |
| 22:40.17 | fishbulb | oh cool. |
| 22:40.44 | fishbulb | I don't have those enabled |
| 22:40.51 | fishbulb | the devel one in particular |
| 22:41.17 | ceene | you should enable testing |
| 22:41.33 | fishbulb | I feel like I've been using this phone for all this time and not known most of the shortcuts or whatever |
| 22:41.40 | ceene | nowadays stable is pretty much stalled because nobody cares to vote for new packages to make ti to the stable section |
| 22:41.54 | fishbulb | how many users would you guess there still are? |
| 22:42.07 | ceene | a few hundred i guess |
| 22:42.15 | fishbulb | worldwide? |
| 22:42.17 | ceene | yep |
| 22:42.30 | ceene | well, here in the irc there are right now 185 people |
| 22:42.42 | ceene | few of us talk, however |
| 22:42.44 | fishbulb | a few double ups but yeah |
| 22:42.53 | ceene | but i guess at least a few read us |
| 22:43.11 | ceene | i just bought last week another n900 |
| 22:43.16 | ceene | to have one to tinker with |
| 22:43.34 | fishbulb | I had 3, I dropped mine in the toilet, and had to change the screen |
| 22:44.00 | ceene | do you use it only because of the keyboard? |
| 22:44.15 | fishbulb | basically yeah. and I hate a hundred stupid apps bleeping at me |
| 22:44.47 | ceene | well, the apps usually are only there if you install them |
| 22:44.49 | fishbulb | it calls, it texts, it tells me sort of where I'm going with gps. nothing else bleeps, bongs, dings and annoys me when I'm away from an actual computer |
| 22:45.07 | ceene | but yeah, they keyboard is a killer feature for me too |
| 22:45.34 | fishbulb | even on a nexus tablet I cannot stand trying to type with zero tactile feedback |
| 22:45.58 | fishbulb | and a whole giant company devoted to correcting the mistakes of that stupid smudgy piece of onscreen shit |
| 22:46.28 | fishbulb | if I could reliably graft this keyboard onto another phone... I'd have something else. |
| 22:46.52 | ceene | there are bluetooth keyboards |
| 22:47.02 | fishbulb | I have a couple and they're not good |
| 22:47.12 | fishbulb | this really is the best tiny keyboard I've ever used. |
| 22:48.56 | ceene | i had once an android phone with very much the same form factor as the n900 |
| 22:49.03 | ceene | sadly its flash memory died |
| 22:49.26 | fishbulb | I did wonder about that one, it was back when android was in 2.something |
| 22:49.46 | fishbulb | I have a nexus 7 and even typing on that is horrific |
| 22:49.46 | ceene | yes, this one was a geeksphone |
| 22:50.31 | fishbulb | well thanks for compiling the new whatsapp |
| 22:51.03 | ceene | oh, you're wellcome |
| 22:51.07 | ceene | i hope it lasts a long time |
| 22:51.10 | fishbulb | I'll deal with that in a while, it's refusing to connect so the australian whatsapp must have changed over to... new stuff. sunday would be the day for it. and it's sunday |
| 22:51.27 | fishbulb | sunday morning when most poeple are hungover or asleep |
| 22:52.16 | ceene | well, you're hours ahead of me, yet it has worked more hours for you |
| 22:52.33 | fishbulb | yeah I used it at about 5am |
| 22:52.48 | fishbulb | this is australia. |
| 22:52.56 | ceene | i found it broke for me 24 hours ago |
| 22:53.07 | ceene | here in Spain it's almost 00:00 now |
| 22:53.08 | fishbulb | I was getting some errors for sure. missed messages |
| 22:53.11 | fishbulb | maybe it was just hanging on |
| 22:53.26 | ceene | what version do you use? |
| 22:53.44 | ceene | you may be using an older version that lost messages that were being sent with encryption on |
| 22:53.54 | ceene | with the latest version you shouldn't lose anything |
| 22:54.05 | fishbulb | 2.0.22 |
| 22:56.00 | fishbulb | so I'll keep my messages? |
| 22:56.48 | fishbulb | there's some important ones from a girl I just broke up with, I'd rather not lose the last few days |
| 22:57.01 | ceene | they should be there |
| 22:57.05 | ceene | you can always backup them |
| 22:57.17 | fishbulb | I didn't think to see how it worked |
| 22:57.28 | fishbulb | I'll do it in a day or if |
| 22:57.40 | ceene | /home/user/.yappari/logs/ |
| 22:57.45 | fishbulb | ah |
| 22:58.04 | ceene | there's a log for each chat, personal or group |
| 22:58.05 | fishbulb | can I use usb to browse through directories |
| 22:58.09 | ceene | they are sqlite3 files |
| 22:58.14 | fishbulb | I'm on arch here |
| 22:58.25 | fishbulb | someone said don't use group chats |
| 22:58.34 | ceene | you must not create a group |
| 22:58.37 | ceene | or you will get banned |
| 22:58.44 | ceene | but if someone else creates it you can use it |
| 22:58.47 | fishbulb | I have no need to do that |
| 22:58.58 | fishbulb | it's the only way I can send photos to people |
| 22:59.19 | fishbulb | and it's less annoying than texting |
| 22:59.59 | fishbulb | they have to start whatsapp and read the messages so it doesn't disturb them |
| 23:00.05 | fishbulb | (I assume) |
| 23:00.23 | ceene | well, it still bips and alerts them |
| 23:02.06 | fishbulb | I wouldn't know, I don't have any other type of phone |
| 23:02.19 | fishbulb | they can turn data off I assume? |
| 23:02.39 | fishbulb | I haven't used a modern phone for longer than a few minutes |
| 23:02.54 | fishbulb | this thing is 7 years old. |
| 23:03.09 | fishbulb | anyway cheers, later |
| 23:03.16 | ceene | cya, good luck |
| 23:04.10 | ceene | Pali: ping |
| 23:04.20 | Pali | ceene: pong |
| 23:04.23 | ceene | hi! |
| 23:04.34 | jon_y | fishbulb: evidence for the police? :) |
| 23:04.43 | ceene | i've compiled your kernel and loaded a small root filesystem |
| 23:04.53 | fishbulb | what police |
| 23:04.55 | ceene | but after something like 5 seconds or so, it reboots itself |
| 23:05.08 | jon_y | your whatsapp messages :) |
| 23:05.08 | ceene | is there some watchdog or something like that? |
| 23:05.19 | fishbulb | hah no they're just personal. |
| 23:05.29 | Pali | yes, on n900 there are two watchdogs |
| 23:05.40 | ceene | he probably wants to read them once in a while to remember not to go back to her :P |
| 23:05.41 | jon_y | ok~ |
| 23:05.48 | Pali | you can disable them by R&D flags in NOLO |
| 23:06.31 | ceene | oh, i could live with them enabled... but how do i reset them? |
| 23:07.16 | jon_y | same way as you set them? |
| 23:07.43 | ceene | jon_y: i'm not the one that sets them :) they're hardware watchdogs that must be notified that the operating system is still alive |
| 23:08.24 | Pali | ceene: via userspace, open /dev/watchdog<N> devices and periodically call needed IOCTL |
| 23:08.29 | jon_y | oh you mean watchdog ticks |
| 23:08.39 | jon_y | I thought you mean R&D flags |
| 23:08.45 | jon_y | yeah /dev/watchdog |
| 23:09.04 | jon_y | \0 to tickle it |
| 23:09.04 | Pali | via R&D flag you can tell NOLO to disable them before booting kernel |
| 23:09.06 | ceene | is there any exiting code for that or should i create them myself? |
| 23:09.16 | jon_y | I think 'v' to close it |
| 23:09.27 | jon_y | yeah you can do this through scripts |
| 23:09.35 | jon_y | but the proper interface is via ioctl |
| 23:09.35 | Pali | in bootmenu package is my "watchdogs" binary daemon for it |
| 23:09.49 | Pali | you can reuse it |
| 23:09.53 | ceene | ok, thanks |
| 23:10.07 | ceene | i'll see if there's something on buildroot, as that'll be easier for me right now |
| 23:10.19 | ceene | but it's good to know where's a working reference |
| 23:10.51 | Pali | ceene: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=bootmenu;a=blob;f=src/watchdogs.c |
| 23:11.16 | Pali | ioctl WDIOC_KEEPALIVE |
| 23:11.49 | ceene | great, thanks! |
| 23:11.52 | Pali | there is also ioctl for disabling watchdog (if driver supports it) |
| 23:12.01 | Pali | and our drivers and HW support it! |
| 23:12.11 | ceene | cool :) |
| 23:12.45 | ceene | i see libcal is used for that |
| 23:12.59 | Pali | on N8x0 devices watchdogs cannot be disabled once started |
| 23:13.12 | Pali | libcal is used only to check if R&D mode is enabled |
| 23:13.25 | jon_y | kernel docs in Documentation/watchdog.txt also mentions it |
| 23:13.40 | Pali | and just it skip watchdog device if special R&D flag is set |
| 23:14.03 | ceene | i see busybox has its own wathdog support http://code.metager.de/source/xref/busybox/miscutils/watchdog.c |
| 23:21.23 | fishbulb | how difficult would it be to "phreak" the n900 |
| 23:21.55 | fishbulb | it's really a little linux computer which is kind of easier to "hack" than some modern smartphones |
| 23:22.50 | fishbulb | considering this thing remains linux while modern phones have massive teams putting out updates every time an exploit is found |
| 23:22.59 | fishbulb | so they say. |
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| 23:36.45 | Maxdamantus | fishbulb: you can build a mainline kernel and boot a standard armel Debian installation on it. |
| 23:36.52 | ceene | well, gotta go to sleep now |
| 23:36.58 | ceene | i'll be testing all this tomorrow |
| 23:37.00 | ceene | cya! |
| 23:37.03 | Maxdamantus | with Xorg working etc |