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| 04:29.49 | Oksanaa | If I wish to add to maemo's understanding of location, so that it would be able to use not only gps (internal or external), but also IP and cellular-tower-id as sources of info, where should a bit of code be added? |
| 04:32.51 | Oksanaa | Or does Maemo already use cellular tower info, and it's only backwards AU that 'blocks' geographical location of cellular towers from being provided to cellular handset? |
| 04:34.02 | Oksanaa | If it's the case of backwards-cellular-towers, it would have been useful to make a plugin (with offline database) which 'unlocks' lat and long of towers |
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| 06:26.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: basically liblocation is what you want to augment or patch |
| 06:28.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus have a look at http://www.skyhookwireless.com/ |
| 06:33.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Using_Location_API |
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| 07:40.01 | KotCzarny | bencoh, well, if you dont mind carrying something double in size as n900, one could use 2x18650 etc and get ~5000mAh/100mA=50h |
| 07:40.05 | KotCzarny | which isnt that bad |
| 07:40.28 | KotCzarny | but that number would rise if you count wifi/gsm and or using it in some way |
| 07:40.38 | KotCzarny | still, broadcom |
| 07:41.40 | KotCzarny | on a side note, my banana pi m1 uses ~200mA in idle (didnt try to optimize it yet) |
| 07:42.06 | KotCzarny | and thats with wifi chip connected |
| 07:45.02 | Maxdamantus | could probably experiment with one of his Raspberry Pis some time. |
| 07:45.11 | Maxdamantus | thinks his ones might be A+. |
| 07:45.18 | KotCzarny | maxd, why not bananas? |
| 07:45.27 | Maxdamantus | I don't think they existed at the time. |
| 07:45.34 | Maxdamantus | or if they did, I wasn't aware of them. |
| 07:45.40 | Maxdamantus | I bought them around the end of 2013. |
| 07:45.53 | KotCzarny | yeah, bananas were out in 2014 |
| 07:52.17 | Maxdamantus | Ah, no. They're model B. (0x000e) |
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| 09:17.49 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1495209&postcount=482 |
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| 10:16.46 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: :) |
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| 10:28.57 | tryagain_ | Hi! I've got a mail saying navit 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1~6534 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository |
| 10:29.20 | tryagain_ | How much time should it take to load it to extras-devel? |
| 10:29.54 | tryagain_ | doest it require some manual intervention or is it an automatic process? |
| 10:30.07 | tryagain_ | *does |
| 10:31.56 | ceene | it is automatic |
| 10:32.17 | ceene | it takes the autobuilder a couple hours to build the .deb |
| 10:32.42 | ceene | and another two hours or so after that to be available to apt |
| 10:42.32 | tryagain_ | ceene thank you |
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| 12:10.06 | tryagain_ | strange, here i have only two packages http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/navit/0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1~6534/ |
| 12:10.32 | tryagain_ | but here are more reported https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/navit_0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1~6534/ |
| 12:11.37 | ceene | old versions get removed from the archives, i think |
| 12:14.16 | freemangordon | tryagain_: be patient, it takes time, soon or later the packages will appear |
| 12:14.49 | ceene | yeah, don't worry |
| 12:15.08 | ceene | if the build log says it has succeeded, everything is fine |
| 12:15.26 | tryagain_ | okay, i just thought they all should appear nearly at the same time |
| 12:15.37 | freemangordon | Pali: I've finished with worldclock, there is more to be optimized and/or fixed code wise but for now I am fed with it. Feel free to take it from here if you feel so. |
| 12:16.12 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: well, the point was - test it please :) |
| 12:16.55 | freemangordon | I did tons of changes, most probably I introduced some bugs |
| 12:27.43 | bencoh | tryagain_: autotool build? |
| 12:31.05 | Pali | ok |
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| 12:42.21 | merlin1991 | tryagain_: they appear at the same time in the repository, but the data on the website runs on a different schedule |
| 12:42.35 | freemangordon | merlin1991: hi! |
| 12:42.44 | merlin1991 | hey |
| 12:42.50 | freemangordon | merlin1991: when we are going to have cssu meeting? |
| 12:43.06 | freemangordon | merlin1991: there is lots of new stuff |
| 12:43.25 | merlin1991 | starting monday any day is fine for me |
| 12:43.46 | merlin1991 | btw tryagain_ did you contact the original maintainer for navit? |
| 12:44.03 | freemangordon | merlin1991: well, maybe choose a date and send a mail? |
| 12:47.28 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: I gathered that ;) |
| 12:47.34 | freemangordon | ok :) |
| 12:47.43 | freemangordon | just to make sure :p |
| 12:48.08 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: it wishes to pull in a later version of qt on my cssu-stable device is that expected? |
| 12:48.32 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: you can't test that on -stable |
| 12:48.49 | freemangordon | yes, there is newer qt in -testing |
| 12:48.51 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: I have done in the past... |
| 12:49.05 | freemangordon | and I guess it was auto made a dependency |
| 12:49.50 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: pester merlin1991 to issue new update to -stable :) |
| 12:49.55 | sixwheeledbeast | 0.6-1+0cssu3-1 is installed at the moment |
| 12:50.03 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: :) |
| 12:50.44 | Oksanaa | What are the changes to worldclock? :curious: |
| 12:50.57 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: sorry, he stuff in -devel was never meant to be used with enything else but -testing |
| 12:51.03 | Oksanaa | should read the logs... |
| 12:51.24 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: I get that, but Ihave used the odd package before :) |
| 12:51.33 | freemangordon | Oksanaa: https://github.com/community-ssu/clock-ui/commits/master |
| 12:51.50 | freemangordon | for the last ~10 months |
| 12:52.03 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: you have been lucky :) |
| 12:52.14 | bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: if you want to try the stuff in -devel, clone the git and build in sb :) |
| 12:52.22 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 12:52.38 | freemangordon | but, won;t fly this time |
| 12:52.40 | bencoh | (unless you want to try recent hildon stuff) |
| 12:53.15 | freemangordon | because there is also an updated maemo-launcher in -devel, with support for qt as well |
| 12:53.33 | bencoh | freemangordon: oh, you pushed that thing? |
| 12:53.38 | freemangordon | yes |
| 12:53.59 | bencoh | hmm, original world-clock was in gtk right? |
| 12:54.17 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: installed on -testing device |
| 12:54.30 | freemangordon | https://github.com/community-ssu/maemo-launcher/commit/3692cb9656c1a979f31fa077e527a9cfb14c9bd0 |
| 12:54.32 | freemangordon | bencoh: yes |
| 12:54.36 | Oksanaa | would have liked if everything stayed in gtk+hildon. All the qt is entirely alien... |
| 12:54.48 | freemangordon | Oksanaa: well, not really |
| 12:54.59 | freemangordon | it just starts a little bit slower |
| 12:55.28 | freemangordon | but with booster-qt and good programming, it is <1s difference |
| 12:55.47 | Oksanaa | Well, it looks different? |
| 12:55.54 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: it seems to ignore default fonts and the clock is a bit further up the window but appears to work |
| 12:55.55 | freemangordon | developing in qt is waaay more easy then with gkt |
| 12:56.18 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: "ignore default fonts"? |
| 12:56.40 | Oksanaa | Well, is it difference between Objective-C and C-something? |
| 12:57.07 | freemangordon | Oksanaa: can;t parse |
| 12:57.07 | bencoh | it doesnt look too different |
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| 12:57.16 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: sorry, my mistake I changed the theme on my testing device recently :facepalm: |
| 12:57.59 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: hmm, yes, you're right, clock is not vertically centered |
| 12:58.33 | Oksanaa | I mean, the difference in coding between gtk and qt, is it because coding is in different programming languages, or is it because gtk widgets are inherently more difficult? |
| 12:58.37 | sixwheeledbeast | i have ubuntu fonts on the other theme |
| 12:59.08 | sixwheeledbeast | qt is c and more people can code c? |
| 12:59.24 | freemangordon | well, qt is c++, gtk is c |
| 12:59.31 | sixwheeledbeast | ah |
| 12:59.34 | freemangordon | the problem is that gtk tries to mimic c++ |
| 13:00.15 | Oksanaa | And C++ people stumble over coding in gtk+c? |
| 13:01.24 | bencoh | they usually stumble on every non-object language anyway, but that's not the point :* |
| 13:01.31 | freemangordon | no, it is simply that C is not meant for that purpose. At least to me it is like "you can't see the forest because of the woods" |
| 13:01.51 | freemangordon | I prefer C usually ;) |
| 13:02.00 | bencoh | :) |
| 13:02.13 | Oksanaa | Okay... But Nokia did code it all in gtk+c, hence, it's possible |
| 13:02.21 | freemangordon | sure it is |
| 13:02.55 | freemangordon | it is simply that it is harder, at least for me. To code UI in gtk than on Qt that is |
| 13:02.57 | bencoh | I think that's more of a personal taste, I still prefer writing gtk stuff over qt (but I'm not good at writing GUIs anyway) |
| 13:03.07 | Oksanaa | It's like, if you like qt, feel free to code an all-qt version of maemo, but mixing gtk and qt in the same app can only be seen as cruel |
| 13:03.22 | bencoh | Oksanaa: it's not in the same app :) |
| 13:03.30 | Oksanaa | yes ;-) |
| 13:03.34 | Oksanaa | yet* |
| 13:03.56 | Oksanaa | :-D ^ |
| 13:04.55 | freemangordon | how am I supposed to open an issue on github?!? |
| 13:05.14 | bencoh | no idea, I think you need an account |
| 13:05.30 | freemangordon | I *hav* one |
| 13:05.32 | freemangordon | *have |
| 13:05.35 | bencoh | ah :) |
| 13:05.39 | Oksanaa | too |
| 13:06.20 | Oksanaa | dives to github |
| 13:06.20 | freemangordon | I want to open an issue on clock-ui, to not forget what sixwheeledbeast said |
| 13:07.25 | Oksanaa | Code Issues Pull requests Pulse Graphs |
| 13:07.44 | freemangordon | I see no issues tab :D |
| 13:08.06 | freemangordon | oh, those are disabled |
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| 13:08.39 | Oksanaa | Why?.. |
| 13:08.54 | freemangordon | NFC, anyway I enabled them |
| 13:09.02 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: have an account on github? |
| 13:09.34 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: I was looking, I have used it for flopswap I think... |
| 13:09.55 | freemangordon | anyway, I'll open the issue for the vertical positioning |
| 13:11.01 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: I have found it, are you going to open issue? |
| 13:11.15 | freemangordon | https://github.com/community-ssu/clock-ui/issues/1 |
| 13:11.28 | sixwheeledbeast | 19 seconds ago.... |
| 13:11.35 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: feel free to create new issues if you found a need |
| 13:11.42 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: :nod: :) |
| 13:11.43 | freemangordon | *find |
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| 13:49.53 | Pali | Luke-Jr: ping |
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| 14:20.03 | tryagain_ | bencoh it's cmake build |
| 14:21.27 | tryagain_ | merlin1991 yep, woglinde said he had added me as admin, but i see me at navit-packaging rather than at navit itself. Have to figure out what it means. |
| 14:27.46 | Sicelo | tryagain_: side question: what would i do with navit? |
| 14:38.26 | sixwheeledbeast | https://github.com/community-ssu/clock-ui/issues/2 |
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| 14:44.12 | tryagain_ | Sicelo it's an offline navigation program, with routing, highly configurable. Maps are based on OSM data. |
| 14:44.49 | Sicelo | i once installed it, but couldn't get it to work .. maybe i was just being dumb. |
| 14:44.54 | tryagain_ | Though some additional steps are required to use it, at least map should be downloaded manually |
| 14:45.20 | tryagain_ | also, there's no osd items configured by now |
| 14:45.39 | tryagain_ | so manual editing of xml file is needed |
| 14:45.44 | ceene | which is the kernel format that 0xffff sends to the n900? zImage? zImage+device tree? |
| 14:45.51 | ceene | i guess it's the latter? |
| 14:45.55 | Sicelo | zImage |
| 14:46.03 | ceene | no device tree? |
| 14:46.15 | Sicelo | i don't know about that .. ask Pali :) |
| 14:46.22 | Sicelo | but zImage alone should suffice |
| 14:46.39 | ceene | ok, i'll try that later |
| 14:46.42 | ceene | thanks |
| 14:47.26 | bencoh | ceene: fmg/pali were working on DT |
| 14:47.29 | Sicelo | flasher-3.5 needs just zImage .. so that should be ok with 0xFFFF too. there was no DT in those days (or at least it wasn't the standard) |
| 14:47.40 | Pali | 0xFFFF sends any bootable image |
| 14:47.53 | bencoh | it should be compiled in if enabled (?) |
| 14:48.06 | Pali | and if you are using DT based boot, you must append DTS after zImage |
| 14:48.11 | bencoh | ah |
| 14:48.18 | tryagain_ | Sicelo At the moment, i'm attempting just to make it build and get feedback from our existing users (we had for a few years a separate build maintained in private repo) |
| 14:48.19 | bencoh | nevermind what I just said then |
| 14:48.32 | Pali | http://elinux.org/N900#DT_Kernel_Compilation |
| 14:48.33 | ceene | i see |
| 14:48.37 | Pali | see: Create combined kernel image by appending the DTB file: |
| 14:49.16 | ceene | all right |
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| 14:57.27 | freemangordon | LOL github automatically closed an issue based on the commit message. Nice :) |
| 14:57.54 | bencoh | :) |
| 14:58.28 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: so, you think text should be clickable as well? |
| 14:59.20 | freemangordon | I can make text besides icons clickable, but using a list there seems like a terrible idea |
| 14:59.41 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: :nod: that's how it was. I actually thought it was broken until I started tapping the screen all over. |
| 14:59.45 | freemangordon | Ideally, there should be a background image |
| 14:59.54 | freemangordon | yes, I know how it was |
| 15:00.18 | sixwheeledbeast | ok |
| 15:01.05 | freemangordon | but - the correct was is to have a background image, similar to that in portrait mode. Imagine what mess will happen if we overlay tree view over a background |
| 15:01.15 | freemangordon | s/was/way |
| 15:01.36 | freemangordon | s/portrait/landscape |
| 15:02.18 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: though, making text clickable makes sense, WIll do it |
| 15:02.21 | sixwheeledbeast | In OMP there is no background image in portrait |
| 15:02.32 | sixwheeledbeast | it's also a list view |
| 15:02.52 | sixwheeledbeast | I guess they where designed to look/feel similar |
| 15:02.57 | Luke-Jr | Pali: pong |
| 15:02.59 | freemangordon | and OMP is where most of the code in adeclock was steal from ;) |
| 15:03.41 | freemangordon | hmm, no "stealed" word in english? I thought steal is a regular verb. |
| 15:03.57 | sixwheeledbeast | ah makes sense |
| 15:03.57 | freemangordon | oh, no |
| 15:04.04 | sixwheeledbeast | stolen in english ;) |
| 15:04.09 | freemangordon | yeah :) |
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| 15:04.52 | Pali | Luke-Jr: I'm going to push your patches for kdepim noakonadi, ok? or is there something wrong with them? |
| 15:05.18 | sixwheeledbeast | however stolen would indicate it's not FOSS so maybe borrowed is appropriate |
| 15:05.25 | sixwheeledbeast | :D |
| 15:06.11 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: introducing tree view for portrait makes UI inconsistent, we either use tree for both or for none, IMO |
| 15:06.32 | freemangordon | yeah, borrowed :D |
| 15:07.07 | freemangordon | however, I'll make text clickable too, as in stock it is |
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| 15:08.37 | sixwheeledbeast | Oh I see your point. I would think the idea was to have the landscape UI imitate stock, so the landscape background image lines up. |
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| 15:12.47 | sixwheeledbeast | I suppose if the text is clickable that would be fine. |
| 15:13.24 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 15:15.28 | sixwheeledbeast | Oh another thing I noticed was the "highlighted fade" isn't used on the date and time button. Not an issue but may look nicer with the fade on? |
| 15:16.00 | freemangordon | I guess I can implement another type of button, more wide, so when the text is clicked (in portrait) to be highlighted |
| 15:16.26 | sixwheeledbeast | sounds good |
| 15:16.37 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: hmm? that depends on the theme |
| 15:16.59 | sixwheeledbeast | does it? |
| 15:17.05 | freemangordon | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.13 | freemangordon | sorry, /etc/hildon/theme/images/320IconHighlight.png |
| 15:17.32 | freemangordon | this is what stock uses |
| 15:17.42 | sixwheeledbeast | ah I didn't know that |
| 15:17.53 | freemangordon | you're too used to adeclock :p |
| 15:18.11 | freemangordon | but I have a freshly flashed device in front of me to compare with |
| 15:18.45 | sixwheeledbeast | Yes, and my broken theme. Made by another broken package "theme-customizer" :shiver: |
| 15:19.09 | sixwheeledbeast | I'll shut up now :) |
| 15:19.16 | freemangordon | hmm, why? |
| 15:19.25 | freemangordon | your feedback is very useful |
| 15:19.35 | sixwheeledbeast | :) |
| 15:19.42 | freemangordon | no, really |
| 15:22.40 | sixwheeledbeast | that actually makes sense now looking at the old adeclock. I wondered why the time and date had separate buttons one with fade and one without. |
| 15:22.52 | sixwheeledbeast | how silly. |
| 15:23.18 | sixwheeledbeast | I am happy to help where I can, but I am no coder. |
| 15:23.39 | freemangordon | I need testers, not coders, as I am |
| 15:27.21 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: BTW, I don;t know if it is clear, but alarms are ordered in the list :) |
| 15:27.50 | freemangordon | enabled on top, ordered by alarm time |
| 15:27.53 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: ordered how? I have no alarms on -testing device |
| 15:28.22 | freemangordon | yes |
| 15:29.04 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: add a couple of alarms and you'll see |
| 15:29.09 | sixwheeledbeast | ok, I'll have a play now |
| 15:35.01 | sixwheeledbeast | oh I see, I think the old one was last active. |
| 15:36.24 | sixwheeledbeast | That would confuse me a little I think. If you use the alarm on one date for example. |
| 15:36.54 | sixwheeledbeast | you may reactivate it not realising the date has past |
| 15:38.08 | freemangordon | lemme try |
| 15:38.34 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: BTW, can you? |
| 15:38.56 | freemangordon | (activate an alarm with a date in the past)? |
| 15:39.40 | sixwheeledbeast | Ah |
| 15:40.23 | freemangordon | hmm? |
| 15:41.06 | freemangordon | hmm, crashed :) |
| 15:41.18 | sixwheeledbeast | I can't set one in the past, so let me try set one now and reactivate it in a sec |
| 15:41.46 | sixwheeledbeast | yep crash |
| 15:41.48 | freemangordon | resulted in a crash here |
| 15:42.00 | freemangordon | ok, I guess that should be fixed |
| 15:42.04 | sixwheeledbeast | :) |
| 15:42.09 | freemangordon | BTW, how was that in the old adeclock? |
| 15:42.15 | sixwheeledbeast | I'll try |
| 15:42.44 | freemangordon | I guess the correct behaviour is to open the edit dialog |
| 15:44.59 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: it won't let you check it, in adeclock |
| 15:45.41 | sixwheeledbeast | that behaviour maybe ok, you have to select the alarm and edit it |
| 15:46.12 | freemangordon | I'd rather open edit dialog, instead |
| 15:46.41 | sixwheeledbeast | also in adeclock new alarms are defaulted to the current time not 00:00 this was handy |
| 15:46.57 | freemangordon | in stock they default to 10:00 |
| 15:47.09 | freemangordon | or not? |
| 15:47.16 | freemangordon | ok, that's easy to be done |
| 15:47.33 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: are you going to open issues for those? |
| 15:47.47 | sixwheeledbeast | No idea for stock but I recall asking ade for this. |
| 15:47.49 | sixwheeledbeast | will do |
| 15:47.54 | freemangordon | ok, thanks |
| 16:00.05 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: when adding a new alarm, what date it is set to? in old adeclock that is |
| 16:00.45 | sixwheeledbeast | tomorrow at this time in adeclock |
| 16:01.18 | freemangordon | ok, keeping the same behaviour |
| 16:01.56 | sixwheeledbeast | I have to flick back a day, so i would say no? |
| 16:02.27 | freemangordon | ok, but we cannot set an alarm today at this time |
| 16:02.32 | freemangordon | as it already has passed |
| 16:02.55 | freemangordon | hmm, "as it has passed already"? |
| 16:03.00 | sixwheeledbeast | I suppose it's personal pref really. Maybe one minute ahead? |
| 16:04.07 | freemangordon | yep, makes sense |
| 16:04.32 | sixwheeledbeast | Does it matter that it has past? you are in the alarm dialog anyway you can't set it? |
| 16:05.31 | freemangordon | yes, but if I understand your idea correctly, you want to have an alarm to be immediately settable |
| 16:05.54 | freemangordon | if it is in the past, you can;t set it |
| 16:06.05 | freemangordon | so 1 minute ahead sounds sane to me |
| 16:06.15 | sixwheeledbeast | also spotted something else, adding to github now. in adeclock if you set an alarm in future it puts date instead of Never |
| 16:07.46 | sixwheeledbeast | i don't think it matters about the 1 minute ahead TBH, what if it takes you a minute to set the alarm, it's invalid anyway? |
| 16:08.35 | freemangordon | ok, will set it to "now" |
| 16:08.53 | sixwheeledbeast | I am looking from a POV of I park the car and have 1 hour to park, open clock-ui swipe 1 hour as quick a possible, done. |
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| 16:09.55 | freemangordon | yep, makes sense |
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| 16:13.21 | sixwheeledbeast | cool, I am wondering about the best way to sort alarms. Was there a reason for using time? |
| 16:13.38 | bencoh | .64 |
| 16:13.40 | bencoh | woops |
| 16:15.41 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: I think so, as you time is always the most important thing. At least for me :) |
| 16:15.51 | freemangordon | *as time |
| 16:17.58 | sixwheeledbeast | Ok. I would say time to alarm myself, then maybe alphabetical if alarm name set? |
| 16:18.46 | freemangordon | do you really set alarm titles? |
| 16:19.27 | freemangordon | time to alarm? could be, but imagine: |
| 16:19.51 | sixwheeledbeast | for some persistent ones yes, "Work" they can sit at the bottom. |
| 16:19.52 | freemangordon | you've disabled all your alarms (friday or holiday) |
| 16:20.17 | freemangordon | now you want to enable your "get up for work" alarms. |
| 16:20.57 | freemangordon | me, personally look for the time - it is the left column, and is the shortest one |
| 16:21.08 | sixwheeledbeast | I see what you mean. |
| 16:21.16 | sixwheeledbeast | oh.. |
| 16:21.20 | freemangordon | and I *know* when am I supposed to get up :) |
| 16:21.38 | sixwheeledbeast | issue but NFC how to reproduce... |
| 16:22.08 | sixwheeledbeast | I am trapped at the Alarm settings dialog and can't get rid |
| 16:22.21 | freemangordon | what did you do? |
| 16:22.26 | sixwheeledbeast | no idea |
| 16:22.29 | freemangordon | :D |
| 16:22.44 | sixwheeledbeast | I think i hit task switcher while loading |
| 16:22.48 | sixwheeledbeast | dialog |
| 16:23.10 | freemangordon | BTW I touched "alarm settings" just a little bit, mos of the code is the original adeclock's code |
| 16:23.33 | freemangordon | there are still very, very ugly hacks there |
| 16:23.35 | sixwheeledbeast | It's ok, I am glad it's getting some love. |
| 16:24.45 | sixwheeledbeast | So i can hit task switcher to close dialog but the dialog pops up and cannot be closed if I switch back to clock-ui |
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| 16:25.19 | freemangordon | which dialog is that? |
| 16:25.28 | sixwheeledbeast | alarm settings |
| 16:25.30 | freemangordon | could you make a screenshot? |
| 16:27.29 | sixwheeledbeast | not now I just killed it before you asked. i will try to reproduce if I can. It was like the alarm settings dialog was not attached to mainwindow any more, if that makes sense. |
| 16:27.39 | freemangordon | yes, it makes |
| 16:28.05 | freemangordon | I was just able to open "new alarm" dialog on top of "alarm settings" dialog |
| 16:28.21 | sixwheeledbeast | oh nice |
| 16:28.55 | freemangordon | if you click "alarm settings" from the menu and immediately click on "new alarm" |
| 16:29.13 | freemangordon | I guess it is qt acting here :) |
| 16:30.37 | sixwheeledbeast | yep I can reproduce that one, it's similar but I can't reproduce it yet. The issue was you couldn't close the dialog with save |
| 16:32.42 | freemangordon | веиÑд |
| 16:32.44 | freemangordon | oops |
| 16:32.46 | freemangordon | weird |
| 16:34.38 | sixwheeledbeast | pretty sure it was hitting the taskswitcher while the dialog was loading but I can't reproduce it now. Grr |
| 16:41.31 | sixwheeledbeast | Did you change the hildon banner to days and hours? |
| 16:44.54 | freemangordon | I implemented what is in the stock |
| 16:45.08 | freemangordon | it depends on the time remaining |
| 16:45.20 | freemangordon | it might be time, days to, day, or date |
| 16:45.32 | freemangordon | day == weekday |
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| 16:48.48 | capitanocrunch | hi |
| 16:49.33 | sixwheeledbeast | ok, thats fine. adeclock rounds this up but doesn't matter. The only reason I can see for this is so it fits on one line. |
| 16:49.47 | Sicelo | i almost never use the stock backup application. when backup is finished, do i need to click "Stop"? or does that mean it is still processing? |
| 16:49.57 | Sicelo | ah.. just heard a beep now :) |
| 16:52.55 | capitanocrunch | i was playing with xterm on the N900...i want to start tzconfig but it says not found...why...i actually have it in /usr/bin/tzselect |
| 16:53.32 | capitanocrunch | i mean *tzselect not tzconfig |
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| 17:00.10 | ceene | which should be the right procedure to install backupmenu+uboot? |
| 17:00.32 | ceene | i've only managed to brick it :) |
| 17:01.34 | Sicelo009N | :) |
| 17:02.26 | Sicelo009N | standard way. remember u-boot installs as 'stock' kernel.. so you need to make sure the stock kernel modules are available in your system |
| 17:02.59 | Sicelo009N | if you're using .item files, make sure syntax is correct, and run u-boot-update-bootmenu |
| 17:03.14 | ceene | in which order should i install this? |
| 17:03.18 | ceene | first u-boot, then backupmenu? |
| 17:03.28 | ceene | or viceversa? |
| 17:04.27 | Sicelo009N | doesn't really matter |
| 17:04.37 | Sicelo009N | uboot first, i'll suggest |
| 17:05.00 | ceene | i installed first backupmenu, after that i installed u-boot and after rebooting i could only get as far as uboot |
| 17:05.13 | ceene | i didn't want to type anything at uboot console so i just reflashed :P |
| 17:05.36 | Sicelo009N | doesn't know how to operate that too :D |
| 17:05.59 | Sicelo009N | i make sure i've got everything fine inside maemo, to avoid dealing with that console |
| 17:07.06 | ceene | i need to read somewhere about n900's boot process |
| 17:07.15 | ceene | ~boot |
| 17:07.15 | infobot | it has been said that boot is what you get when you act like a DalNet user, or #debian-boot |
| 17:07.20 | ceene | uhm |
| 17:07.36 | ceene | not so useful in this context, infobot |
| 17:08.06 | bencoh | ~bootprocess |
| 17:08.11 | Sicelo009N | basically uboot presents itself to the bootloader as a kernel ... then it starts loading your other specified kernels, etc. |
| 17:08.53 | ceene | and backupmenu what is exactly? |
| 17:08.57 | ceene | just a shell script? |
| 17:08.58 | Sicelo009N | so doesn't really matter too much what the bootloader itself does (and they are closed anyway.. NOLO/XLoader afaik) |
| 17:10.22 | Sicelo009N | yes, backupmenu is a script that kernel loads 'thinking' it's loading normal system :) |
| 17:10.28 | Sicelo009N | something like that, haha |
| 17:10.46 | ceene | so on install it probably does something somewhere |
| 17:10.56 | ceene | to tell the kernel that init is not /sbin/init but /whatever/backupmenu |
| 17:11.26 | Sicelo009N | i don't know. check the postinst maybe |
| 17:11.33 | ceene | right now i don't think i want backupmenu anymore |
| 17:11.39 | Sicelo009N | reason? |
| 17:11.44 | ceene | i can always tar / by myself, can't i? |
| 17:12.07 | ceene | that's basically what it does |
| 17:12.13 | Sicelo009N | of course you can. backupmenu is convenient though .. seen all the features it has? |
| 17:12.31 | ceene | well, when it doesn't enter in conflict with a just installed uboot seems cool |
| 17:12.53 | ceene | when it doesn't play well along the others i don't like it that much |
| 17:13.24 | Sicelo009N | hmm, something's weird there. i've used bm for years, uboot too. never got issues |
| 17:14.09 | ceene | probably i did something wrong |
| 17:14.11 | Sicelo009N | even yesterday i semi_bricked my system with uboot.. but very easy/straightforward recovery. |
| 17:14.13 | ceene | or a wrong install order |
| 17:14.15 | ceene | or whatever |
| 17:14.18 | Sicelo009N | maybe |
| 17:14.22 | ceene | but i just don't want to lose time with that |
| 17:14.31 | ceene | i want to be able to load kernels at will |
| 17:14.38 | ceene | and not having to lose much time when my fs gets corrupt |
| 17:15.02 | Sicelo009N | i'd say take the time to fix it. once it works well, it will allow you to do what you want very conveniently :) |
| 17:15.18 | Sicelo009N | no need to carry cables & flashers around thereafter |
| 17:15.41 | ceene | that's true |
| 17:15.43 | ceene | well |
| 17:15.47 | ceene | i gotta go cooking now! :P |
| 17:16.02 | capitanocrunch | so i have /usr/bin/tzselect but if i type tzselect it doesnt start but says not found...strange |
| 17:16.11 | ceene | some arroz con leche |
| 17:16.17 | ceene | capitanocrunch: what if you type /usr/bin/tzselect ? |
| 17:16.32 | capitanocrunch | same error not found |
| 17:16.37 | Sicelo | root? |
| 17:16.38 | ceene | ls -al /usr/bin/tzselect ? |
| 17:16.43 | capitanocrunch | pinoy food? |
| 17:16.44 | Sicelo | what do we use that for in maemo btw? |
| 17:16.58 | ceene | spanish desert |
| 17:17.10 | Sicelo009N | ah, mine works |
| 17:17.13 | ceene | gotta go, cya! |
| 17:17.31 | capitanocrunch | it has all x permission |
| 17:17.43 | Sicelo009N | i wonder if that would do the 'right' thing .. capitanocrunch why don't you just use GUI? |
| 17:17.50 | Sicelo009N | regional settings or clock? |
| 17:18.13 | capitanocrunch | ls -al /usr/bin/tzselect |
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| 17:18.40 | Sicelo009N | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6894 Feb 28 2015 /usr/bin/tzselect |
| 17:18.56 | Sicelo009N | that's mine (which also works in xterminal as root) |
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| 17:19.05 | capitanocrunch | same for me |
| 17:19.08 | Sicelo009N | but why aren't you using the UI? |
| 17:19.28 | capitanocrunch | just playing with xterm |
| 17:19.31 | Sicelo009N | maybe something's up with your path |
| 17:19.47 | capitanocrunch | like? |
| 17:20.23 | Sicelo009N | dunno :) |
| 17:20.28 | Sicelo009N | echo $PATH |
| 17:20.42 | Sicelo009N | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 17:22.43 | Sicelo | or your install is fuckt. you may want to reinstall |
| 17:23.17 | capitanocrunch | probably |
| 17:23.22 | Sicelo | haha, it's part of libc6 .. hmm, but you can reinstall that |
| 17:23.38 | capitanocrunch | hum |
| 17:24.05 | capitanocrunch | the strange thing is last modified 2010 |
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| 17:27.21 | capitanocrunch | are you shure? to reinstall coreutils? |
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| 17:28.06 | Sicelo | no. i'm not sure. (also going afk now) |
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| 17:28.46 | Sicelo | but i don't see anything wrong with reinstalling libc6 .. maybe just me though |
| 17:29.24 | capitanocrunch | ~libc6 |
| 17:29.24 | infobot | well, libc6 is the GNU C library version 2, which Debian uses since 2.0 . |
| 17:30.17 | capitanocrunch | ~tzselect |
| 17:30.34 | Sicelo | if you've got doubt, maybe leave this alone and play with other xterminal stuff ;) |
| 17:30.43 | KotCzarny | apt-cache search tzselect ? |
| 17:30.56 | capitanocrunch | not a package |
| 17:31.07 | Sicelo | dpkg -S $(which tzselect) |
| 17:31.09 | Sicelo | libc6: /usr/bin/tzselect |
| 17:31.09 | KotCzarny | it searches in descriptions too |
| 17:32.50 | capitanocrunch | exactly the bin i have but doesnt start |
| 17:33.39 | Luke-Jr | Pali: IIRC you said you didn't like one that replaced . in filenames or smth |
| 17:34.14 | Pali | Luke-Jr: yes, that one is fixed (backported another upstream patch :)) |
| 17:34.30 | Luke-Jr | ah, cool |
| 17:34.46 | Pali | anyaway, code is now pushed to my git repo |
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| 18:21.27 | ceene | should we try and distribute a flashable CSSU/CSSU-thumb image? |
| 18:21.38 | KotCzarny | +1 |
| 18:21.48 | ceene | i'm finding myself reflashing and reinstalling cssu again in two days |
| 18:22.07 | ceene | and it's very probable that i end up doing it again soon... |
| 18:22.23 | ceene | only a rootfs is needed? |
| 18:22.31 | KotCzarny | ceene, when i suggested the same i was just told to use backupmenu |
| 18:22.34 | ceene | also kernel |
| 18:22.44 | ceene | i don't like that option |
| 18:22.48 | KotCzarny | same |
| 18:22.59 | ceene | that requires setting up extras repos |
| 18:23.00 | ceene | installing things |
| 18:23.05 | ceene | keeping your own copy... |
| 18:23.18 | ceene | it's quite cumbersome I think |
| 18:23.30 | KotCzarny | i think you can manage backup/restore using rescueos and dd |
| 18:23.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:23.35 | ceene | cssu flashable image seems like a must to me |
| 18:23.49 | ceene | nobody installs debian potato and upgrades all the way |
| 18:24.32 | KotCzarny | i think main argument against flashable image for cssu is that cssU is updates only, not releases |
| 18:24.53 | KotCzarny | and some lawylawy talk |
| 18:25.15 | ceene | yeah, doesn't seem like more than an excuse |
| 18:25.37 | ceene | i can understand the "i won't do it, you can do it yourself", because each one has their interests |
| 18:25.52 | ceene | but a refusal is a different thing |
| 18:27.17 | ceene | ok |
| 18:27.18 | ceene | so |
| 18:27.21 | ceene | if i want to do that myself |
| 18:27.23 | ceene | where do i begin? :) |
| 18:27.38 | ceene | should i create an image with uboot preinstalled too? |
| 18:27.39 | KotCzarny | fiasco |
| 18:28.08 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 18:28.14 | ceene | by the way, does fiasco mean anything in english? |
| 18:28.23 | KotCzarny | i plan to drop whole ubi and multi partition for rootfs |
| 18:28.24 | freemangordon | ceene: you'll do a great job if you create a flashable image |
| 18:28.24 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 18:28.31 | ceene | because in spanish it's the equivalent as 'great failure' |
| 18:28.40 | KotCzarny | yes, in english the same |
| 18:28.40 | ceene | so i always feel like something is gonna go horribly wrong |
| 18:28.48 | KotCzarny | ~fiasco |
| 18:28.48 | infobot | L4-compatible real-time microkernel capable of running Linux in usermode. URL: http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/fiasco/ |
| 18:28.53 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 18:28.59 | ceene | ok, someone should think about their naming scheme |
| 18:29.22 | KotCzarny | ~fiasco-gen |
| 18:29.26 | KotCzarny | ~fiascogen |
| 18:29.35 | ceene | ~ FIASCO aka *COMBINED*, also referred to as "rootfs" though this file and flashing process also consists of / affects NOLO bootloader (the several stages), the kernel, and usually the GSM modem firmware, in addition to the root filesystem which is basically the content of your 240 MB NAND flash storage and implements the Linux operating system. |
| 18:29.35 | infobot | ceene: what are you talking about? |
| 18:29.43 | ceene | that says on the wiki |
| 18:29.57 | ceene | we care only about modifying rootfs |
| 18:30.02 | ceene | kernel and bootloader |
| 18:30.52 | ceene | 0xFFFF -i -M RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin outputs a whole lot of things |
| 18:31.14 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.14 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.14 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.14 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.15 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.17 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.28 | ceene | and the rest I don't know what are |
| 18:31.41 | KotCzarny | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7972 |
| 18:31.43 | povbot | 04Bug 7972: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is nowhere to be found |
| 18:31.48 | KotCzarny | fiasco-gen is here |
| 18:32.12 | KotCzarny | Fiasco-gen was published in PR1.1.1 SDK, now in non-free in SDK. Proposing to |
| 18:32.12 | KotCzarny | close bug |
| 18:32.23 | ceene | ok, so it should be on scratchbox |
| 18:32.25 | KotCzarny | and also in sdk repo apparently |
| 18:32.45 | ceene | sdk-fiasco-gen - Utility for generating FIASCO images |
| 18:33.39 | ceene | http://pastebin.com/vX3DXs4D |
| 18:34.22 | KotCzarny | https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74121 |
| 18:35.44 | ceene | ok |
| 18:35.49 | ceene | i've unpacked everything with 0xffff |
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| 18:36.15 | ceene | there's still a lot of files that i don't know what purpose serve but that could be left the same |
| 18:36.23 | ceene | and just replace kernel and rootfs |
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| 19:05.22 | ceene | uhm |
| 19:05.28 | ceene | i'm thinking now that i repartitioned my flash |
| 19:05.33 | ceene | i think that's why u-boot got lost |
| 19:08.25 | ceene | ok, so here we go again reflashing this n900 for the third time in two days :) |
| 19:08.42 | ceene | there are so many things i want to do |
| 19:08.46 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:08.58 | KotCzarny | in love with n900 again? |
| 19:09.11 | ceene | we need a crazy millionaire who funds all of us to work on this |
| 19:09.26 | ceene | KotCzarny: i bought this n900 yesterday :) |
| 19:09.42 | ceene | i now have two |
| 19:10.01 | KotCzarny | yeah, having one stable, everyday unit and second/third for the battlefield hacking is a must |
| 19:10.09 | ceene | yep, that's why i bought this |
| 19:10.11 | KotCzarny | luckily they are quite cheap |
| 19:10.13 | ceene | and to have spares, of course |
| 19:10.17 | ceene | this costed me 30 euro |
| 19:10.27 | KotCzarny | past tense from cost is cost |
| 19:10.33 | ceene | that's true |
| 19:10.33 | ceene | thanks |
| 19:10.43 | ceene | my first one cost me 100 euros two years ago |
| 19:10.46 | ceene | or is it three no? |
| 19:10.58 | ceene | s/no/now/ |
| 19:11.24 | KotCzarny | if you can do little smd soldering you can have some next to cheap |
| 19:11.32 | ceene | march 2014 |
| 19:11.35 | ceene | is my first one |
| 19:11.51 | ceene | i only found a few in working condition |
| 19:11.57 | ceene | this was the cheapest and is perfectly fine |
| 19:12.25 | ceene | the guy who sold it to me was very happy to discover that there's a community of people still using and developing it |
| 19:12.45 | ceene | i was afraid he was gonna want to keep it for himself after hearing all the things we do! |
| 19:13.57 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 19:14.12 | ceene | car2go has recently launched its services on madrid |
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| 19:14.19 | ceene | and it happens that there's a car2go application for maemo |
| 19:14.37 | ceene | he was astonished :) |
| 19:14.50 | KotCzarny | that's the open source for you |
| 19:19.32 | ceene | installing cssu-thumb (again) |
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| 20:01.58 | ceene | i'm missing something... |
| 20:02.05 | ceene | it thought i had flashed emmc too |
| 20:02.13 | ceene | but it still has the modified partition table |
| 20:03.16 | ceene | maybe I didn't? |
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| 20:13.21 | ceene | okay... |
| 20:13.25 | ceene | it's now flashed |
| 20:13.29 | ceene | cssu again :( |
| 20:21.31 | KotCzarny | ceene: what are you hacking? |
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| 20:29.20 | ceene | right now... nothing! |
| 20:29.29 | KotCzarny | liar :P |
| 20:29.36 | ceene | i just want a cssu thumb with uboot |
| 20:29.38 | ceene | that's all |
| 20:29.50 | ceene | but i broke something yesterday that i didn't seem to realize |
| 20:29.52 | KotCzarny | see? that's not nothing |
| 20:29.56 | ceene | and u-boot doesn't... well, doesn't boot |
| 20:29.58 | ceene | no-boot |
| 20:30.02 | KotCzarny | ~uboot |
| 20:30.03 | infobot | N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 |
| 20:30.08 | ceene | that's like basic steps |
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| 20:31.00 | ceene | after that |
| 20:31.04 | ceene | i'd like to create a flashable image of this |
| 20:31.13 | ceene | cssu-thumb+kernelpower+uboot |
| 20:31.44 | ceene | so i can fuck it up as much as i want without this endless chain of trial and error that's been the whole day |
| 20:32.21 | KotCzarny | why dont you just unfuck it with rescueos etc? |
| 20:32.50 | ceene | because it's also a matter of principle |
| 20:32.54 | ceene | i want a flashable image |
| 20:33.16 | ceene | nobody installs debian potato just to boot on rescue mode and upgrade it to stable |
| 20:33.22 | KotCzarny | remember that you can try doing own installer/flasher |
| 20:33.44 | KotCzarny | especially if you play with the partitioning |
| 20:34.01 | ceene | what do you mean? |
| 20:34.43 | KotCzarny | installer kernel+initrd that will initialize/check device, then pull bits of img from the network and flash/write them |
| 20:34.59 | KotCzarny | it could even use mke2fs+rsync |
| 20:35.28 | KotCzarny | fiasco is nice, but not the only way |
| 20:35.28 | ceene | i guess that could work too |
| 20:35.33 | ceene | yeah, but... |
| 20:35.35 | ceene | dunno |
| 20:35.39 | ceene | seems like the easiest |
| 20:35.50 | ceene | maybe not the easiest to perform, but the best end result |
| 20:36.17 | KotCzarny | in my case i cant use fiasco i think, i plan to use nand only for /boot things and emmc for rootfs |
| 20:36.49 | ceene | why not? |
| 20:37.13 | KotCzarny | because i have to modify what goes where? |
| 20:37.21 | KotCzarny | and repartition emmc? |
| 20:37.32 | ceene | oh |
| 20:37.47 | KotCzarny | anyway, thats just me |
| 20:37.59 | KotCzarny | if you stick to compatibility mode, fiasco is nice |
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| 20:38.31 | KotCzarny | (compatibility with current weird design of having bits of rootfs everywhere) |
| 20:38.48 | KotCzarny | anyway, nite nite |
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| 21:44.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ceene: ((to tell the kernel that init is not /sbin/init but /whatever/backupmenu)) less /sbin/preinit : >> if [ x"$SLIDE_STATE" = "xopen" ] ; then echo_g "slide open, attempting to use bootmenu" [ -f /bootmenu.sh ] && . /bootmenu.sh << |
| 21:46.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ceene: bootmenu and uboot are completely segregate worlds |
| 21:46.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | uBoot is before loading kernel, bootmenu is *after* loading kernel, in userland |
| 21:48.46 | ceene | i see |
| 21:48.57 | ceene | so if i screw up my uboot install, backupmenu won't be able to do shit |
| 21:49.05 | ceene | by the way, i got my n900 to calibrate its new battery |
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| 21:49.42 | Sicelo009N | backupmen != bootmenu :) |
| 21:50.01 | Sicelo009N | *backupmenu |
| 21:51.03 | ceene | DocScrutinizer05: your script didn't manage to keep the backlight on |
| 21:51.16 | ceene | so I turned on the flash leds and left them on all the time |
| 21:51.37 | ceene | also, since I use bme replacement I had to manually modprobe -r some modules, as stop bme doesn't do that itself |
| 21:51.46 | ceene | i don't know if that's needed, but I did it anyway |
| 21:51.49 | Sicelo009N | :) |
| 21:51.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo009N: nope, backupmenu actually *is* part of exactly this bootmenu |
| 21:52.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ceene: damn! |
| 21:52.05 | Sicelo009N | ah |
| 21:53.54 | Sicelo009N | i don't see how you would screw up uboot though ... and in any case, you'd still be able to load your kernel via flasher/0xFFFF |
| 21:54.09 | ceene | Sicelo009N: i had a custom formatted emmc |
| 21:54.16 | ceene | and installing u-boot didn't result in booting |
| 21:54.18 | Sicelo009N | or if you need 'serious' recovery, there's RescueOS |
| 21:54.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, screwing uBoot is not that easy |
| 21:54.31 | ceene | i mean, it's not like it was totally bricked |
| 21:54.41 | ceene | but definitely didn't work |
| 21:55.06 | ceene | only after reflashing eMMC too, did it work as intended |
| 21:55.14 | ceene | i guess i screwed up something that is hardcoded somewhere |
| 21:55.21 | ceene | not that it's magic |
| 21:55.36 | ceene | some partition number or whatever |
| 21:55.36 | Sicelo009N | sounds like bootmenu then |
| 21:56.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ceene: are you sure you told uboot the correct location of your kernel? also take care about filesystem where uboot is supposed to fetch kernel from, uboot only knows a very limited number of filesystems |
| 21:56.33 | ceene | i didn't do much, to be honest |
| 21:56.35 | ceene | just apt-get installed it |
| 21:56.42 | ceene | i thought i had everything in place |
| 21:56.45 | ceene | but it clearly wasn't |
| 21:58.54 | Sicelo009N | it should still have booted attached kernel. you've got 'stock' kernel modules in your system? |
| 21:59.12 | ceene | yep |
| 21:59.15 | ceene | but it didn't either |
| 21:59.19 | ceene | although that could be |
| 21:59.21 | ceene | because i had thumb |
| 21:59.28 | ceene | and as far as i know, stock kernel doesn't run thumb |
| 21:59.38 | ceene | well, gotta go now, some family time! |
| 21:59.40 | ceene | cya! |
| 22:00.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | thumb doesn't work with uBoot stock kernel |
| 22:01.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | thumb is introducing quite a number of rough edges into the complete handling of system |
| 22:03.23 | Sicelo009N | unless i'm making mistake... but yesterday i did boot a non-kp 2.6.28 .. bme-replacement didn't work for example. yes, i'm on thumb myself |
| 22:03.44 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is it really a rough edge |
| 22:03.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: couldn't thumb install a binary that checks for thumb-enabled kernel very early in boot, and pop up a fatal warning when it's missing? |
| 22:03.54 | kerio | if it's been working completely fine for multiple years for multiple people |
| 22:03.57 | Sicelo009N | or that 2.6.28 has the thumb errata patches? |
| 22:05.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: please reread what I wrote |
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| 22:05.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | handling can't "work" since it's an action user does |
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| 22:06.39 | kerio | it's about as rough as having an ext4 /home |
| 22:06.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 22:07.01 | kerio | benefits are obvious, problems are minimal to none, the only thing is that you can't boot the nokia omap1 kernel |
| 22:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly same level |
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| 22:10.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | installing uboot on a thumb system is quite non-trivial since uboot won't boot the system unless you added all the uboot prerequisites like thumb kernel in right location and uboot config to use that thumb kernel, *prior* to installing uBoot |
| 22:13.07 | Sicelo009N | but uboot doesn force a restart ... you can still fix your .item files after |
| 22:14.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you use flasher to RAM-load the thumb kernel so you could run all the uBoot config after installing uBoot. There's only one single chance where you could try to config uBoot to work with thumb, without using such things like rescueOS or flasher-booting thumb kernel in RAM: after installing uBoot while you're still running the thumb kernel based system that booted without uBoot |
| 22:16.59 | kerio | i don't even have a kernel bundled with uboot |
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| 22:32.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't help but starting to muse about initfs unused NAND partition every time the uBoot topic comes up |
| 22:35.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | would be really interesting if NOLO checks initfs partition for code to execute, or maybe we even could patch NOLO to chainload uBoot from initfs instead of kernel space after NOLO |
| 22:36.35 | kerio | what's the point? |
| 22:37.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | the point is it's freeing up some space so maybe the powerkernel could go after NOLO |
| 22:38.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus there would be a kernel that's not subject to damage during reflashing rootfs |
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