| 00:00.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course we could also use better CPUs, like this one: http://ark.intel.com/products/75272/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2660-v2-25M-Cache-2_20-GHz ;-) Alas even higher core count isn't compatible due to TDP of the supermicro frame |
| 00:02.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://ark.intel.com/products/75283/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2697-v2-30M-Cache-2_70-GHz has 130W TDP, ooops our frame can handle up to 135W :-D |
| 00:03.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | so we just need 5200USD for the CPUs and we have a real numbercrunching monster ;-) |
| 00:19.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course we can handle an additional VM on blade-a/b too, but we're short on RAM, and also short on primary storage on both |
| 00:27.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | facilities like OSUOSL run their own 'public' facility-wide RDBMS and ask all their users to not run local databases but rather use the provided one. So ideally we should move the database VM to the new blade-c and then the VM where it been so far gets available for MXR |
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| 00:46.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: xes: wtf is wrong with scratchbox? http://i.imgur.com/DncgLcY.png |
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| 00:56.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: xes: I pasued scratchbox VM on blade-a |
| 00:56.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | paused, even |
| 01:00.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll tentatively restart it in a few minutes, if load on blade-a goes down, assuming this was only a very heavy backup of whole site at once |
| 01:11.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy, BackupPC_dump, should get a decient renice, eh? |
| 01:11.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | restarting scratchbox |
| 01:12.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | the backup pretty much brings down the whole site |
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| 01:19.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still wonder ehat the heck is so special about scratchbox so it gets literally completely unresponsive during BackupPC run |
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| 01:23.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | see in ganglia http://i.imgur.com/IBFDn8H.png how even the CPU dropeed out two times during last hour, before I finally stopped the sb VM @ ~1:57 til ~2:12 |
| 01:24.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ssh also was unresponsive |
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| 01:37.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes mental note to never look at ganglia during sunday 0:00 to 3:00 |
| 01:37.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | CET |
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| 01:52.37 | TheOneLaw | good morning |
| 01:52.51 | TheOneLaw | or evening, as the case may be |
| 01:52.58 | TheOneLaw | Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist. Feel free to contact our staff on irc freenode #maemo channel. |
| 01:54.06 | TheOneLaw | not that anyone lives here anymore except us ghosts in the machines... |
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| 02:06.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | TheOneLaw: are you using Tor? |
| 02:07.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | (MXR) http://maemo.org/community/maemo-community/mxr-maemo-org/ |
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| 02:45.46 | TheOneLaw | DocScrutinizer05: I am using VPN which seemingly works from some locations and not from others. I guess it is the default server from this location, I will try an alternate and see what happens thanks for the link I will go read up. have a nice weekend |
| 02:47.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw :-) a nice weekend to you too |
| 02:47.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, the MXR link wasn't meant to address your problem |
| 02:48.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | it was a followup to some topic we discussed earlier |
| 02:48.32 | TheOneLaw | oops this is weird - I clicked the link you posted http://maemo.org/community/maemo-community/mxr-maemo-org/ and that link works just fine, being simply http://maemo.org/... |
| 02:50.49 | TheOneLaw | The link that fails is to http://talk.maemo.org/ which is broken - this means there is a blockage on TMO and not on maemo.org generally, which is confusing but I guess the block is just for the forum |
| 02:51.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, the filters are different for talk.maemo.org, maemo.org, and wiki/bugs.maemo.org |
| 02:51.27 | TheOneLaw | I suppose the exit node for the VPN may have a bad reputation ? |
| 02:51.51 | TheOneLaw | back in a moment while I reboot my vpn |
| 02:51.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly yes. The filters use publicly known blacklists |
| 02:53.42 | TheOneLaw | new exit server same issue will try yet again... |
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| 02:57.50 | TheOneLaw_ | that works, just had to keep reloading the VPN until I found an exit node not blacklisted - how cool is that ? |
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| 03:19.16 | timeless | DocScrutinizer05: http://hg.mozilla.org/webtools/mxr |
| 03:19.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: many thanks! |
| 03:20.04 | timeless | the branding is um... dunno, probably availabl |
| 03:20.10 | timeless | depends on whether or not mxr.maemo.org is reachable |
| 03:20.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, the branding is not THAT important ;-) |
| 03:20.44 | timeless | yeah, it is reachable |
| 03:20.56 | timeless | add timeless.justdave.net as the hosts for mxr.maemo.org and you can reach it |
| 03:20.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | if by branding you mean the orange skin and stuff |
| 03:21.15 | timeless | you should be able to clone the mxr config from there |
| 03:21.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | great! |
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| 03:21.52 | timeless | hg clone http://mxr.maemo.org/ |
| 03:21.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | would you be (hypothetically) be interested in helping to set MXR up on maemo.org server infra? |
| 03:22.05 | timeless | as long as you are talking to timeless.justdave.net instead of {nxdomain} |
| 03:22.14 | timeless | i could probably yeah |
| 03:22.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-)) |
| 03:22.31 | timeless | anyway, that should get you most of the way |
| 03:22.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 03:22.50 | timeless | in fact, just using a cname should make you fairly happy, afaik the server still works, it's just a missing/bad cname |
| 03:23.09 | timeless | needs to return to the real world |
| 03:23.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the (chan) record: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/ |
| 03:23.44 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb or something :) |
| 03:23.48 | timeless | adds the cname |
| 03:23.51 | timeless | iirc |
| 03:25.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta |
| 03:30.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I had ""66.33.208.86 mxr.maemo.org"" in my etc/hosts ;-) |
| 03:30.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | fixing it |
| 03:32.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://i.imgur.com/dhNcSUS.png :-D |
| 03:35.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: alas http://i.imgur.com/DajbLxF.png |
| 03:36.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, not expecting it's still working. It's however still reachable |
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| 05:13.09 | vahe | how to fight injustice,closed source,JavaScript if you block tor :-/ |
| 05:13.09 | vahe | Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist. |
| 05:13.09 | vahe | Feel free to contact our staff on irc freenode #maemo channel. |
| 05:14.22 | vahe | I use tor because it's not your business who I am and where and what are you reading... |
| 05:14.35 | robbiethe1st | I'm not sure anyone is awake |
| 05:14.59 | robbiethe1st | Chances are tor or that IP was banned due to abuse |
| 05:15.10 | robbiethe1st | So blame whoever abused it |
| 05:15.44 | vahe | abuse of what?)))) |
| 05:15.55 | robbiethe1st | The forum I'm guessing(spam?) |
| 05:16.13 | vahe | I spent a lot of time using tor? ))) |
| 05:16.23 | robbiethe1st | So? |
| 05:16.34 | robbiethe1st | No, someone else used tor and spammed? |
| 05:16.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | all of tor is banned. And we had this discussion like 3 times during last 2 weeks already. It's pretty unfortunate and silly that complete *.maemo.org is blocking those IPs, instead of only blocking the login page |
| 05:16.37 | robbiethe1st | Or something like that |
| 05:17.41 | vahe | why you need spam? )) this is a group of maemo instead of Windows ,Yes? )) |
| 05:18.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
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| 05:18.42 | robbiethe1st | I'm not sure he speaks English very well? |
| 05:18.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Wed 06 January 2016] [23:28:57] <DocScrutinizer05> Neo900 is about security. Tor is about security. Neo900 has a subforum on tmo. I have a hard time explaining to Neo900 customers that to access Neo900 subforum (or any other maemo-org page) they must not use Tor |
| 05:19.48 | vahe | we must fight for the spam,closures, javascript codes,fight! I'm for freedom |
| 05:19.55 | vahe | FREEDOM ! |
| 05:19.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Wed 06 January 2016] [23:24:28] <DocScrutinizer05> no matter what, it's pretty offensive to READ-block all NAT and NAT-like services' IPs to be found on a RBL from *.maemo.org. And not blocked from registering or identifying to maemo, but blocked from mere *reading* |
| 05:21.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggested to limit the IP filtering to only the login page, since non-authenticated visitors can't post |
| 05:22.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas somebody has to *implement* that |
| 05:22.18 | vahe | DocScrutinizer05: thank you for your understanding |
| 05:22.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw :-) I'm annoyed by it as well |
| 05:24.18 | vahe | quick question,will there be future neo900 N900 in addition to other smartphones? |
| 05:24.20 | vahe | :) |
| 05:24.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | vahe: for now you might try https://ixquick.com/do/search |
| 05:25.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | the 'proxy' option there will probably show you each talk.m.o webpage even when you're using Tor |
| 05:25.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | vahe: please rephrase your question |
| 05:26.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/proxy2? |
| 05:26.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ep=445159455551526c54466752466c73425030306657425964523152594c45454a4b3051514a6d6f4259514a53575155355446735a564630414d45304f43554d314c6e6c38666734584b6874374542733655434e32504359585a325a4453516331414438374d447464435674495a52514b4f6c5a466258686161525a494167453751686756465639644d77525446687361453152526668454b506c5a584e5364494c5638664768776f5755385647513943635159494651344c42676f4a6668454b506c5a564e694e49647774625551557357555951466c4d5643416f66 |
| 05:26.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | 5745356444454e4a4b4238544b6874474a5467575a52314b4b42733953455156456851664978734d43523856426b4a5950786c444b3068524f7a3447614568554178676f54466752453177584e41514a43777047556846554c41774f4945774c5a33454150515a4e41786839476e6454534852585a53304942424951543170595052455259456c454d484a48526b684d45776b735341744154514e465a4167654130394a42315666626b6764654249424e544d555a41316245776f3747415a41516851414a7751505745396446555145465367766632746342694134656 |
| 05:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | a39444f546c39476e4a5453585a554a427442423034644141426362455161654552514e5445544f5170645431707547515645536746444d6c704e4130356447466c644b68556163786343596d56424d46304e5246317445414246535152666231684c556b744b566763426130314e6542344159475a444f566b49543178734868734647304644656c3546556b74574f58703166686f4d506873486353634763314d49&epile=4q6n41784r6n41784q5441774r5638314q4335725n586o3q&edata=1d5549d9e643d9c6369c80d7fa315712& |
| 05:26.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ek=62473435643268594o545n32656n4n79563274385n583537595463355748782o5469593256316431&ekdata=1e4f4899e7fe0fd5c1abe577309f2cff |
| 05:26.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohshit, sorry |
| 05:26.57 | vahe | :D |
| 05:27.01 | vahe | OK :D |
| 05:28.59 | vahe | DocScrutinizer05: except the Nokia N900 and neo900 there are other phones with maemo? |
| 05:29.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not |
| 05:29.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...yet |
| 05:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | it might be possible some folks are porting maemo5 to other hardware platforms |
| 05:30.58 | vahe | DocScrutinizer05: I use this search engine https://duckduckgo.com/html/ |
| 05:31.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | does it have a proxy function? |
| 05:32.22 | vahe | thml,no javascript :D |
| 05:33.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I suggested ixquick because it acts as proxy for you, allowing you to access tmo even from Tor |
| 05:33.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can even klick links on tmo within proxy and won't leave the proxy |
| 05:34.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | you however can NOT enter text strings into the proxied webpage |
| 05:34.44 | vahe | I was also and still have the lock |
| 05:34.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | also javascript won't work in the proxied pages |
| 05:36.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure I managed to transport the message |
| 05:36.10 | vahe | thanks for the help ,I will find the answers here :) |
| 05:38.54 | vahe | I am from Armenia and bad know English,I freesoftware,open source activist |
| 05:39.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://ixquick.com/do/search?q=talk.maemo.org go there, then click on the little "Proxy" link right to the talk.maemo.org : http://i.imgur.com/yDhodDq.png |
| 05:40.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | this will work also when you use Tor |
| 05:40.56 | vahe | CAPTCHA ,write the code ,but not included |
| 05:45.58 | vahe | aaa Yes |
| 05:46.29 | vahe | turned out,thank you |
| 05:46.41 | vahe | DocScrutinizer05: THANKS |
| 05:48.03 | vahe | I did not correctly ))) |
| 05:48.06 | vahe | :P |
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| 06:00.35 | Sicelo | Vajb: \m/ |
| 06:03.32 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: pnatd ... needed when N900 for some reason refuses to register to network when you are sure it is there. seems to happen a lot after you've been out of coverage for a long time. when you're back in coverage N900 *may* no longer be 'interested' to connect. It's not a matter of waiting, as even an hour can pass. I explained this in the channel some months ago, and you suggested the pnatd thing (AT+CFUN=0), which has worked from me 100% of |
| 06:04.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) Ahh. |
| 06:04.46 | Luke-Jr | weird thing the other day |
| 06:04.57 | Luke-Jr | I was scheduling an appointment, using my N900 to VNC to my PC |
| 06:05.16 | Luke-Jr | and the appointment desk lady asked me what I was using and wrote down the name O.o |
| 06:05.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 06:05.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | name of N900, or of VNC? |
| 06:06.02 | Luke-Jr | N900 lol |
| 06:06.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | you didn't tell her "Neo900"???? |
| 06:07.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;) |
| 06:07.01 | Sicelo | well, time flies .. it's not even months .. rather, years: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-10-23.log.html#t2014-10-23T22:09:55 |
| 06:07.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | WOW |
| 06:07.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | did I already suspect a bug in cellmo firmware back when? |
| 06:08.13 | Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: well, I tried to explain to her that this was very old and there were newer devices, but she didn't want to write down those names for some reason lol |
| 06:08.14 | Sicelo | we didn't talk much about it .. i gather we were in #neo900. have logs for that chan? |
| 06:08.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's known that radio stack steps down in repetition frequency for network scans until, well, several minutes. But for sure it should search for network at very least once per hour |
| 06:09.59 | Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: how's the Neo900 coming along btw? |
| 06:10.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | still hassle with finances and orga |
| 06:11.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm still suffering a burnout |
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| 06:12.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | but we hope we can come up with a working prototype during the next maybe 3 months |
| 06:13.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...and that this in turn will generate more preorders, so we hit the 'economic feasibility' threshold |
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| 06:14.07 | Luke-Jr | :x |
| 06:15.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | then otoh public interest seems to increase. Dunno if some new snowden files made it to the yellow press or whatever |
| 06:16.38 | Luke-Jr | Pyra will probably be done sooner though; seems like the most direct competition |
| 06:17.09 | Luke-Jr | unless their phone stuff doesn't work - then that might prove to be a boost for Neo |
| 06:17.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, Pyra is a tad too large and not really usable as phone anyway, since it has no earbeace to start with |
| 06:17.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | earpiece even |
| 06:18.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus Pyra has no software for phone usage. Since it doesn't run maemo or at least one of the other tailored-for-phone distros like QtMoko or SHR or |
| 06:18.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ... |
| 06:19.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | so yes, for sure you can initiate calls with Pyra, but I doubt I would want to try and carry Pyra on me to receive inbound calls |
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| 06:19.50 | pigeons | Luke-Jr: i dont know if you heard but paypal is holding neo900 group's money with typical paypal shenanigans. |
| 06:19.57 | Luke-Jr | :/ |
| 06:20.07 | vahe1 | :-D |
| 06:21.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooooh, pyra has no vibrator either ;-) |
| 06:21.34 | Luke-Jr | ouch |
| 06:22.00 | Luke-Jr | that may be a real killer loss :| |
| 06:22.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm not even sure about the power consumption of Pyra in idle with cellmodem enabled and online |
| 06:22.21 | Luke-Jr | I was never impressed by N900 for that |
| 06:22.44 | Luke-Jr | wait.. Pyra really has no vibrator? doesn't every recent game platform have a vibrator? O.o |
| 06:22.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, afaik Pyra has none |
| 06:23.37 | Luke-Jr | bleh |
| 06:23.56 | Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: sure you don't want to do a non-vapourware iControlPad2? :P |
| 06:24.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ??? |
| 06:24.45 | Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: keyboard+case that attaches to any old phone |
| 06:24.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 06:25.05 | Luke-Jr | s/old/new :p |
| 06:25.30 | Luke-Jr | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1703567677/icontrolpad-2-the-open-source-controller |
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| 06:25.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I think just a kbd is not tempting to me, and prolly neither to enough other customers |
| 06:26.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Neo900 is maemo plus kbd plus resistive awsome-screen plus our very unique maximum tamper-safe improvements |
| 06:28.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't want a $random-phone plus iControlPad2, when TLAs are the ones who actually take control over my phone. I wouldn't take it as a gift |
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| 06:29.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 had a relatively decent separation of modem and APE. None of the recent smartphones does |
| 06:30.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | incl Jolla |
| 06:32.52 | Luke-Jr | maybe a Pyra Phone Edition fork then? <.< |
| 06:33.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what STEP2 is meant to be |
| 06:33.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got a pretty long term evolution plan for all this stuff |
| 06:34.22 | Luke-Jr | ah |
| 06:34.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and step one in this plan is to produce a N900 clone and port maemo to it, as a test case |
| 06:34.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | step two is STEP2 |
| 06:35.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is a phone with a OMAP5 and a larger screen |
| 06:35.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | with kbd and r-ts |
| 06:36.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless we find something even smarter (for an idea about that, think laser image of kbd HID) |
| 06:36.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | not that I'd consider those laser projected 'keyboards' really useful for that usecase |
| 06:38.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course STEP2 also comes without OS, we will follow the concept toprovide the hardware and info so community can develop all of the needed software |
| 06:38.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | sort of the exact opposite of Jolla |
| 06:40.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jolla tried to make money from software development, getting the hardware from arbitrary subcontractor. We sell hardware and don't care about software, just make sure that *any* software can get ported to our hardware since it's _open_ hardware (open in documentation) |
| 06:40.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | as well as open in bootloader etc |
| 06:40.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | no ticoization |
| 06:41.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | tivoization even |
| 06:41.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 was reasonably open, alas N9 was already tivoized |
| 06:41.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and so is Jolla |
| 06:41.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically |
| 06:49.50 | Maxdamantus | wonders if he could just get one of those larger backplates and stick a pi zero inside. |
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| 08:16.12 | Vajb | Sicelo: after reading that backlog i realise that ur problem was bit different. I lost whole gsm/3g connectivity not just gprs. But at+cfun fixes it. It must be as deep restart of modem as restar of device is since it was asking also pin. |
| 08:40.53 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: of course pyra has a vibration motor |
| 08:42.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, didn't know |
| 08:44.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I forgot most of the details from proofreading an early schematics of Pyra |
| 08:45.17 | bencoh | tbh the only thing that'd prevent it from being my phone is the form-factor |
| 08:45.42 | bencoh | n900 is "big", pyra is "huge" |
| 08:50.26 | Sicelo | Vajb: i also get that too :) |
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| 09:55.01 | tryagain | good morning or whatever it is in your timezone |
| 09:56.00 | tryagain | i now have a bunch of deb files from my navit compilation, which i've done by ssh'ing into maemo sdk vm |
| 09:56.39 | tryagain | then i have installed them with dpkg under armel target, everything went without errors |
| 09:57.24 | tryagain | then i have clicked at maemo sdk icon on the vm desktop, emulator xephyr screen appeared |
| 09:57.52 | tryagain | but i do not see my application icon anywhere |
| 09:58.50 | tryagain | after a few clicks here and there, app manager began searching for updates, and i was unable to stop it |
| 09:59.03 | tryagain | just closed the xephyr window |
| 09:59.52 | tryagain | now my sb seems to be broken again: fakeroot spt-get install cmake says no package |
| 10:00.01 | tryagain | *apt-get |
| 10:00.34 | tryagain | fakeroot apt-get update downloaded a bunch of package indexes |
| 10:01.26 | tryagain | then fakeroot apt-get install cmake says there are lots of unmet dependencies |
| 10:02.26 | tryagain | i guess i broke it the same way as i done the day before yesterday |
| 10:02.40 | bencoh | maybe |
| 10:03.18 | tryagain | is there some magic way to recover besides starting from fresh vm image? |
| 10:04.01 | bencoh | check your apt config |
| 10:04.49 | tryagain | ha, no /etc/apt/preferences |
| 10:05.32 | bencoh | your sources.list is probably broken as well |
| 10:05.49 | freemangordon | tryagain: afaik ARM emulation is broken with xefyr |
| 10:05.53 | bencoh | missing preferences wouldn't explain the cmake/no package error |
| 10:05.57 | bencoh | freemangordon: ah? |
| 10:06.05 | freemangordon | *xephyr |
| 10:06.18 | freemangordon | you can;t boot arm maemo in SDK, only z86 |
| 10:06.22 | freemangordon | shit! |
| 10:06.24 | bencoh | hmm |
| 10:06.27 | freemangordon | *x86 |
| 10:06.50 | tryagain | and sources.list is the same as it was yesterday before i applied bencoh's suggested sources.list settings |
| 10:06.50 | freemangordon | what works is aemu image qith Qt SDK |
| 10:07.06 | bencoh | tryagain: check apt-cache policy |
| 10:07.06 | freemangordon | needs to finish his coffee first :) |
| 10:07.31 | tryagain | it's not the sb supplied sources.list, it's my modified file restored from somewhere |
| 10:08.44 | tryagain | i guess i'll just reapply the changes |
| 10:09.24 | bencoh | tryagain: try adding your repositories to a file in sources.list.d/ |
| 10:09.34 | freemangordon | tryagain: maybe upload .debs somewhere, so someone who has device to test them |
| 10:09.35 | bencoh | instead of modifying sources.list |
| 10:10.32 | tryagain | ah, sure |
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| 10:15.54 | tryagain | i think i begin understanding sb. When I clicked the SDK icon, it switched my environment to x86. So now my ssh with armel is no more actually related to armel target. |
| 10:16.43 | tryagain | i should have logged out from sb before launching xephyr icon |
| 10:17.41 | tryagain | ha, even command prompt is now changed to x86 |
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| 10:20.25 | bencoh | ah |
| 10:20.56 | tryagain | logging out and in, then selecting armel target seems to have fixed it |
| 10:21.54 | tryagain | yesterday' sources.list and preferences are in place. And cmake successfully installed |
| 10:26.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | a `pwd` gives it away |
| 10:26.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | err well not really since it's a 'chroot' |
| 10:28.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | in sb `>42findme`. In host PC a `find /scratchbox -name 43findme -ls` |
| 10:28.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/43/42/ |
| 10:28.55 | bencoh | errr.... that's ugly :p |
| 10:28.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll be amated about the path |
| 10:29.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh! coffetime |
| 10:29.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | amazed |
| 10:29.26 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: lsof -n on host? :) |
| 10:29.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, well. That could tend to be a few 100 or even 1000 of lines |
| 10:29.59 | bencoh | (if you really want to know about which directory is used) |
| 10:31.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you do in sb `cat >42findme`. In host PC lsof -n | grep 42findme |
| 10:32.30 | bencoh | wait, what? no, you dont need to cat to any file, your shell already holds a fd to current dir |
| 10:32.45 | bencoh | (scratchbox shell, I mean) |
| 10:34.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you think scratchbox shell sees the full pathname of host? interesting and possibly correct approach |
| 10:35.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, no chroot active here to test :-) |
| 10:35.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless a lsof is quite lengthy |
| 10:35.55 | bencoh | dunno |
| 10:36.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | how would you find the interesting lines in that noise? |
| 10:37.04 | bencoh | |grep scratchbox or something like that I guess |
| 10:37.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno was at "and you think..."? It makes sense since lsof uses kernel info |
| 10:37.30 | tryagain | scratchbox bash cwd shows up /scratchbox/users/maemo/home/maemo/navit-cmake/build |
| 10:37.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | /dev is a bindmount into sb chroot iirc |
| 10:38.03 | bencoh | /scratchbox/users might be shared by both targets anyway |
| 10:38.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow |
| 10:38.43 | kerio | scratchbox is a mess |
| 10:38.52 | freemangordon | yeah, raght |
| 10:38.56 | freemangordon | *right |
| 10:39.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, like every chroot and then some on top |
| 10:39.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, it seems to be a chroot in which you run qemu, right? |
| 10:40.11 | bencoh | virtually, yes |
| 10:40.26 | bencoh | just with a lot of hacks on top to play nice with the toolchain |
| 10:40.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that too |
| 10:41.15 | bencoh | (and binfmt_misc to launch qemu on-the-go) |
| 10:41.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yay |
| 10:42.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | headdesks |
| 10:43.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/522490 |
| 10:45.05 | bencoh | everyone needs binfmt to start init, riiight? :p |
| 10:45.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck systemd |
| 10:50.33 | tryagain | damn, cmake just segfaults |
| 10:50.43 | bencoh | oO |
| 10:51.19 | tryagain | and backtrace is #0 0x00178fa0 in ?? () |
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| 10:53.26 | KotCzarny | yeah, sb hacks run deep |
| 10:54.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks like no debug info |
| 10:55.08 | KotCzarny | tryagain: self compiled cmake? |
| 10:56.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I wonder if cmake is a arm binary and what gdb does with a arm binary |
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| 10:57.36 | bencoh | /usr/bin/cmake: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 10:57.39 | bencoh | so yes it is |
| 10:57.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | stripped, mhm |
| 10:58.03 | bencoh | yeah, that too |
| 10:58.24 | bencoh | cmake runs here, but I haven't tried it on navit |
| 10:58.41 | KotCzarny | cmake runs fine in sb, i've compiled few projects with it for arm |
| 10:58.45 | KotCzarny | (n900) |
| 10:58.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | err wut, you think it segfaults because of the source to compile? |
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| 11:00.02 | KotCzarny | maybe that sb-image is broken somehow (i always install sb/sdk with two scripts from sdk) |
| 11:00.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think cmake wouldn't even touch navit |
| 11:00.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | or does it? |
| 11:01.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc about cmake, I only know make |
| 11:02.16 | freemangordon | Pali: what is the correct way to restore CAL from mtd1ro freom here http://46.249.74.23/maemo/mtd1ro ? |
| 11:02.52 | freemangordon | as onenand but finally managed to ruin CAL |
| 11:02.55 | freemangordon | *bug |
| 11:02.56 | Pali | freemangordon: why do you need to rewrite/restore mtd1ro? |
| 11:03.04 | Pali | ah |
| 11:03.20 | Pali | do you have backup of original mtd1ro from that phone? |
| 11:03.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | mtdutils? |
| 11:03.23 | freemangordon | hmm, wait, maybe it has recovered after flashing |
| 11:03.52 | freemangordon | Pali: yes, remember I sent it to you to check it re osso-product-info, it is still on my web server :) |
| 11:04.02 | tryagain | KotCzarny cmake from repos |
| 11:04.15 | Pali | ah, right, I have it too in /tmp (tmpfs) on laptop |
| 11:04.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: try mtd_debug write <device> <offset> <len> <source-filename> |
| 11:04.25 | Pali | correct way is to use nandwrite |
| 11:04.27 | KotCzarny | tryagain, to be sure grab some other cmake based project and try compiuling |
| 11:04.29 | tryagain | i run gdb on core file |
| 11:04.32 | KotCzarny | *compilibg |
| 11:04.35 | KotCzarny | drat |
| 11:04.39 | KotCzarny | too early |
| 11:04.54 | Pali | freemangordon: nandwrite |
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| 11:05.12 | Pali | I can test your mtd1ro dump on laptop in nandsim |
| 11:05.15 | tryagain | KotCzarny do you have some working cmake projects samples handy? |
| 11:05.16 | freemangordon | hmm, it boots after reflash, lets see if there is still MAC addresses |
| 11:05.26 | KotCzarny | tryagain: wildmidi ? |
| 11:05.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | nandwrite has more fancy options |
| 11:05.30 | freemangordon | Pali: besides MACs there is nothing useful in there, right? |
| 11:05.32 | Pali | so I could tell also which params are for nandwrite |
| 11:05.40 | KotCzarny | its small enough, needs some cmakefile.txt fixing but its trivial |
| 11:05.46 | Pali | freemangordon: there are calibration data for WIFI |
| 11:05.54 | freemangordon | ah |
| 11:06.03 | Pali | there is partition table of NAND |
| 11:06.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: there's quite a bit of stuff in CAL |
| 11:06.12 | Pali | used by NOLO and Nokia kernel |
| 11:06.14 | KotCzarny | https://github.com/Mindwerks/wildmidi.git |
| 11:06.23 | KotCzarny | clone this |
| 11:06.41 | Pali | there is phone-info block with IMEI and HW revision (and other unknown number) |
| 11:06.58 | Pali | there are calibration data for BME |
| 11:07.10 | Pali | regulatory data for fmtx |
| 11:07.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a history of all flashed systems |
| 11:07.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 11:07.22 | freemangordon | hmm, settings->about product gives me MACs and IMEI, I guess it has recovered somehow |
| 11:07.39 | Pali | and there is also other bb5 certificates |
| 11:07.52 | freemangordon | correct? |
| 11:07.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it should. You told me cat /dev/mtd1ro worked |
| 11:08.08 | freemangordon | that was a weeek ago |
| 11:08.19 | Pali | freemangordon: create new mtd1ro dump and compare with old version |
| 11:08.29 | KotCzarny | pali: can one flash mtd1ro to different phone (with broken settings), i know its calibration data, but would it work? |
| 11:08.33 | freemangordon | hmm, yes |
| 11:08.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 11:09.01 | Pali | KotCzarny: nobody tested it yet (or at least I do not know...) |
| 11:09.12 | freemangordon | ok, wifi connects too |
| 11:09.17 | freemangordon | I guess I am lucky |
| 11:09.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I tried nanddump and compared to `cat`, there was no difference |
| 11:09.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | so all the fancy parameters are prolly not needed |
| 11:10.15 | freemangordon | nandwrite needs them |
| 11:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, nanddump and nandwrite are siblings |
| 11:11.07 | freemangordon | but nandwrite needs info on what tipe of flash it works, iirc |
| 11:11.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly you need the same parameters in nandwrite which you used to create the dump with nanddump |
| 11:11.11 | freemangordon | *type |
| 11:12.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a raw dump you need nandwrite --oob |
| 11:13.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you used --omitoob and --omitbad on nanddump |
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| 11:14.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | a plain cat /dev/mtd1 >nand.dump always contains bad blocks and oob |
| 11:14.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 11:15.43 | Pali | "cat /dev/mtd1ro > mtd1ro" should be equivalent of "nanddump -i -o -b -f mtd1ro /dev/mtd1ro" |
| 11:15.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 11:16.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | err wut? |
| 11:16.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly nope |
| 11:16.48 | Pali | why? |
| 11:17.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think a cat reads bad blocks and oob |
| 11:17.18 | Pali | no |
| 11:17.18 | KotCzarny | do it and compare |
| 11:17.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm ok |
| 11:19.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, I did no nanddump, I only did a mtd_debug_read_mtd1_0_0x60000.bin |
| 11:19.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that is identical to a dd_if=mtd1ro.bin |
| 11:20.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I should compare both to a nanddump |
| 11:20.31 | Pali | I have that mtd1ro from freemangordon, see this: |
| 11:20.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | since nanddump definitely is supposed to dump bad and oob blocks |
| 11:20.53 | Pali | sudo nandwrite /dev/mtd1 mtd1ro && sudo cat /dev/mtd1ro > mtd1ro.dump && sha256sum mtd1ro mtd1ro.dump |
| 11:20.58 | Pali | 7167e9feb05de056d650be6bccef55bba690ad4d76d8059ac73e06d9d1915ff9 mtd1ro |
| 11:21.03 | Pali | 7167e9feb05de056d650be6bccef55bba690ad4d76d8059ac73e06d9d1915ff9 mtd1ro.dump |
| 11:21.19 | Pali | (done via nandsim on laptop) |
| 11:21.52 | KotCzarny | why is there mtd1 and mtd1ro anyway? |
| 11:22.12 | Pali | on /tmp/ |
| 11:22.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, this doesn't tell much? or I'm in severe need of a coffee |
| 11:23.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | could you do a nanddump -f mtd1ro.dump2; sha256sum mtd1ro.dump mtd1ro.dump2 |
| 11:24.34 | Pali | looks like my nanddump on laptop does not accept -i param |
| 11:24.54 | Pali | so going to look what version we have on n900 and why it has -i |
| 11:24.56 | tryagain | KotCzarny hm, crashing on wildmidi too. I have removed that apple if()..endif() paragraph to get rid of parse error. But it segfauts right after -- Check for working C compiler: /scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc |
| 11:25.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, why do you need -i? |
| 11:25.27 | tryagain | maybe i need a fresh vm again |
| 11:25.44 | tryagain | have to go now, will be afk for a few hours |
| 11:25.44 | Pali | it is ued in 0xFFFF for dumping mtd content and patch some images to FIASCO format |
| 11:25.51 | Pali | -i --ignoreerrors Ignore errors |
| 11:25.56 | Pali | (in maemo version) |
| 11:26.20 | Pali | static boolignoreerrors = false;// ignore errors |
| 11:26.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah --ignoreerrors very good. Yes |
| 11:26.43 | Pali | ignoreerrors = true; |
| 11:26.56 | Pali | funny in whole code is only assignment to that variable |
| 11:27.02 | Pali | no check |
| 11:27.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 11:27.10 | Pali | so it is useless :-) |
| 11:27.32 | Pali | maybe reason why on laptop (where I have new version of nanddump) there is no -i param |
| 11:27.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are no errors to ignore ;-) |
| 11:28.38 | Pali | removing -i from 0xFFFF call as it is useless and non working with new nanddump version |
| 11:28.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | -n --noecc Read without error correction |
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| 11:30.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/dd_if=mtd1ro.bin http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mtd_debug_read_mtd1_0_0x60000.bin |
| 11:30.18 | Pali | $ sudo nanddump -o -b -f mtd1ro.dump2 /dev/mtd1ro --> nanddump: error!: mtd_get_dev_info failed |
| 11:30.23 | Pali | no output :-( |
| 11:30.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | tzzz |
| 11:31.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you should tell it about offset and length |
| 11:31.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and use /dev/mtd |
| 11:32.07 | Pali | 0xFFFF uses snprintf(command, size, "nanddump -o -b -s %d -l %d -f %s /dev/mtd%dro", offset, length, file, mtd) |
| 11:32.17 | Pali | and this I tested more times on N900 and it is working |
| 11:32.27 | Pali | (now without -i :)) |
| 11:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, offset of mtd1? which is always 0 |
| 11:34.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | or offset of mtd1 in mtd? |
| 11:35.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | for dumping mtd1 from /dev/mtd1ro the offset is 0 |
| 11:35.40 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF/blob/master/src/local.c#L253-L292 |
| 11:35.42 | Pali | see |
| 11:35.55 | Pali | it is offset where other images starts |
| 11:36.32 | Pali | e.g. kernel does not start on offset 0x0 on /dev/mtd3 but at offset 0x800 |
| 11:36.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm yes |
| 11:36.46 | Pali | because before kernel image is NOLO header |
| 11:37.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for mtd1 aka CAL the offset is always 0 |
| 11:37.16 | Pali | yes, CAL is without NOLO header |
| 11:37.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously ;-) |
| 11:39.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, anyway if you say a `cat /dev/mtd1ro` does NOT dump oob and bad blocks, so where from would nanddump get those oob and bad blocks when dumping /dev/mtd1ro? |
| 11:40.27 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: nanddump does not use read() syscall |
| 11:40.35 | Pali | but rather some ioctl() |
| 11:40.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | is there some weird magic in nanddump which determines offset of mtd1 partition in mtd and then uses /dev/mtd? |
| 11:41.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, ok |
| 11:41.19 | Pali | no, nanddump uses /dev/mtd1 (not /dev/mtd) |
| 11:41.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks a lot :-) |
| 11:41.35 | Pali | this is reason why I used nanddump in 0xFFFF instead implementing that ioctl magic |
| 11:41.41 | Pali | it is safer |
| 11:41.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | *nod* |
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| 11:43.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, so you're most likely right that a cat does not read bad blocks and oob |
| 11:54.40 | KotCzarny | tryagain: then something is up with your sb install |
| 11:57.29 | kerio | cats don't read at all |
| 11:57.30 | kerio | huehue |
| 11:58.52 | KotCzarny | kerio: http://i.imgur.com/HYwCj.jpg |
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| 12:00.56 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: For the love of dogma? |
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| 12:05.47 | fishbulb | hey, I attempted to change the repos using the link in that thing that was supposed to automatically install them |
| 12:05.55 | fishbulb | the repos didnt' install, from the wiki |
| 12:05.58 | fishbulb | and now mms has fucked up |
| 12:06.03 | fishbulb | when it worked perfectly before |
| 12:06.27 | fishbulb | fMMS |
| 12:06.41 | fishbulb | it was working with no flaws now it can't send or recieve messages |
| 12:06.43 | KotCzarny | which autoinstall link? |
| 12:07.08 | fishbulb | there are two links for the mirrors |
| 12:07.21 | fishbulb | that you click on and it's supposed to automatically install the repos |
| 12:07.25 | fishbulb | in the wiki |
| 12:07.31 | fishbulb | after that, fMMS doesn't work |
| 12:08.25 | KotCzarny | you know that by clicking random things without knowing what you need to do you can end up with bad config? |
| 12:08.27 | fishbulb | also none of the repos work, I don't know how to diagnose why |
| 12:08.35 | fishbulb | it's in the WIKI |
| 12:08.43 | KotCzarny | yes, but did you read descriptions? |
| 12:08.46 | fishbulb | it's in the maemo wiki |
| 12:08.50 | KotCzarny | These two are an alternative mirror, the same as the two above: |
| 12:08.57 | fishbulb | yes it said click on this to autoinstall |
| 12:09.13 | fishbulb | whatever, why would those repos cause fMMS to stop working? |
| 12:10.17 | KotCzarny | i guess you have conflicting repositories and you did upgrade without checking what is going to be done and something got even more broken |
| 12:10.58 | fishbulb | ok what "something" though |
| 12:11.22 | fishbulb | yes I probably have conflicting repositories, those don't have anything to do with fMMS |
| 12:11.30 | fishbulb | it uses pxt settings |
| 12:11.43 | freemangordon | fishbulb: could it be that eMMC got corrupted? |
| 12:12.00 | fishbulb | what? |
| 12:12.06 | fishbulb | how |
| 12:12.18 | freemangordon | could you start fmms from the terminal, to see what error it spits |
| 12:12.27 | fishbulb | ok wait |
| 12:13.14 | fishbulb | what is it called? |
| 12:13.21 | freemangordon | fmms? |
| 12:13.27 | fishbulb | no |
| 12:13.36 | freemangordon | well, something in /opt |
| 12:13.37 | fishbulb | apparently not |
| 12:13.42 | freemangordon | lemme check |
| 12:13.48 | fishbulb | oh fucking hell |
| 12:14.10 | fishbulb | I really really need this right now! |
| 12:14.30 | fishbulb | I wouldn't have thought clicking a link on the maemo wiki was unsafe |
| 12:14.41 | KotCzarny | clicking is not unsafe |
| 12:14.47 | bencoh | which link and why would it be unsafe? |
| 12:14.56 | fishbulb | the link to install the repo mirrors |
| 12:14.56 | KotCzarny | doing system upgrades with messed sources list is |
| 12:15.08 | fishbulb | who said I upgraded anything |
| 12:15.36 | freemangordon | fishbulb: try /opt/fmms/fmms_gui.pyc |
| 12:15.55 | bencoh | fishbulb: they're just mirrors, and they justwork(tm), nobody reported anything about it (?) |
| 12:16.15 | fishbulb | why are you blaming me? those mirrors were on the fucking wiki |
| 12:16.23 | KotCzarny | fishbulb, because clicking the link would start package manager, and it might have offered you to upgrade system |
| 12:16.24 | bencoh | I'm not blaming you |
| 12:16.38 | freemangordon | fishbulb: fishbulb: try /opt/fmms/fmms_gui.py , without 'c' at the end |
| 12:16.40 | KotCzarny | fishbulb, but what else is in your sources? |
| 12:17.01 | fishbulb | no idea |
| 12:17.18 | fishbulb | yeah fmms starts up fine, but now it can't download the mms I was just sent |
| 12:17.26 | fishbulb | and it didn't send the 3 I sent before |
| 12:17.42 | fishbulb | I'm not sure why, the vodafone settings are still in there |
| 12:18.00 | fishbulb | it says "downloading mms" then "operation failed" |
| 12:18.09 | freemangordon | when was the last time you've send mms'? |
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| 12:18.37 | fishbulb | last night |
| 12:18.40 | fishbulb | actually |
| 12:18.44 | freemangordon | weird |
| 12:19.01 | freemangordon | did you try a reboot? as fmmsd sometimes got stuck |
| 12:19.25 | fishbulb | I recieved some perfectly after that repo thing didn't work |
| 12:19.48 | freemangordon | fishbulb: ^^^ |
| 12:19.57 | fishbulb | yeah I just reset it a couple of times |
| 12:20.01 | fishbulb | hey the terminal spat some shit out |
| 12:20.13 | freemangordon | pastebin it |
| 12:20.49 | fishbulb | what? how |
| 12:20.53 | fishbulb | I'm on my computer not my phone |
| 12:21.05 | fishbulb | I don't know how to get this crap off my phone |
| 12:21.24 | fishbulb | shitshit |
| 12:21.25 | freemangordon | fishbulb: do you have openssh installed? |
| 12:21.29 | fishbulb | this is costing me |
| 12:21.39 | fishbulb | I think so I'm not sure |
| 12:21.51 | fishbulb | can't I use the usb link somehow? |
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| 12:22.12 | fishbulb | man this is also my only camera so I can't take photo of the screen |
| 12:22.27 | KotCzarny | 2 mirrors |
| 12:22.47 | fishbulb | +STOPIFACE=/sbin/ifconfig gprs0 down |
| 12:23.04 | fishbulb | + /sbin/ifconfig gprs0 down |
| 12:23.11 | fishbulb | + exit 0 |
| 12:23.22 | fishbulb | ^^ that seems relevant |
| 12:23.40 | freemangordon | do you have some kind of "autodisconnect" shit? |
| 12:24.02 | fishbulb | then mavodi-0-89-40-3-22b-0-0-2-22b-4269c4 |
| 12:24.23 | fishbulb | then some stuff about the attachment |
| 12:24.32 | fishbulb | no there's no autodisconnect stuff |
| 12:24.40 | fishbulb | fMMS is set to "havoc" and that has worked |
| 12:24.50 | freemangordon | yeah, should work |
| 12:25.00 | fishbulb | I know, it should |
| 12:25.06 | fishbulb | but it's not? |
| 12:25.46 | freemangordon | try "/opt/fmms/fmms_gui.py fmms.log 2>&1" |
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| 12:26.03 | fishbulb | I'm resetting the phone |
| 12:26.04 | freemangordon | watit |
| 12:26.18 | freemangordon | the command is "/opt/fmms/fmms_gui.py > fmms.log 2>&1" |
| 12:26.28 | fishbulb | that's ok it's still rebooting |
| 12:26.39 | freemangordon | that should redirect all messages to fmms.log file |
| 12:27.38 | freemangordon | if you execute that command from a dir somewhere in /home/user/MyDocs you should be able to get that file when connected via usb mass storage |
| 12:27.52 | freemangordon | just make sure you don;t have usb cable connected when executing it |
| 12:28.01 | freemangordon | as it will unmount MyDocs |
| 12:28.52 | fishbulb | syntax error |
| 12:28.56 | fishbulb | bad fd number |
| 12:28.59 | bencoh | you could also ssh over usb, by the way |
| 12:29.09 | freemangordon | bencoh: it is harder |
| 12:29.16 | fishbulb | is that a 1 or l |
| 12:29.21 | fishbulb | oh 1 |
| 12:29.27 | freemangordon | it is "one" |
| 12:29.55 | fishbulb | so every problem will be logged |
| 12:30.17 | freemangordon | every output from what you execute |
| 12:30.19 | fishbulb | ok I got the mms, it tried to download, and I'll just give you that error |
| 12:31.04 | freemangordon | ok |
| 12:32.15 | fishbulb | ok I tried to send a few, and it said "message sent" but the person never got them |
| 12:32.19 | fishbulb | I'll give you the log now? |
| 12:32.28 | fishbulb | please be discrete if it contains phone numbers |
| 12:32.42 | freemangordon | sure |
| 12:32.49 | fishbulb | uh, will it? |
| 12:32.57 | freemangordon | no idea |
| 12:33.21 | fishbulb | I think I better look at the log |
| 12:33.26 | fishbulb | where is it? |
| 12:33.31 | freemangordon | never looked at what fmms gui spits. I am using mms once every 3 years :D |
| 12:33.42 | freemangordon | in the directory you've executed the command in |
| 12:33.49 | fishbulb | this is my main phone, I use it all the time |
| 12:33.57 | fishbulb | it's the only way this thing will send photos |
| 12:34.03 | freemangordon | my n900 too, I just don;t use mms |
| 12:34.18 | freemangordon | fishbulb: comeon. you can send mails |
| 12:34.28 | fishbulb | dude, normal people use mms |
| 12:34.44 | fishbulb | it's easiest for them to use that |
| 12:34.53 | freemangordon | dude, no idea about normal people, I use mails when I have to send a picture |
| 12:35.02 | fishbulb | MOST PEOPLE |
| 12:35.05 | freemangordon | mss does resizing |
| 12:35.08 | fishbulb | with a phone |
| 12:35.12 | freemangordon | *mms |
| 12:35.12 | fishbulb | yeah probably |
| 12:35.23 | freemangordon | not probably |
| 12:35.29 | freemangordon | 100% sure |
| 12:35.30 | fishbulb | this is a shitty hack, I'm frustrated at the phone, not you |
| 12:35.31 | fishbulb | hang on |
| 12:35.39 | fishbulb | I noticed that it does in the settings |
| 12:36.20 | bencoh | last (and first) time I tried to use fmms (because the other person needed to send me some mms (or whatsapp ...)), it just didnt work |
| 12:36.25 | fishbulb | um yeah man the log file isn't there |
| 12:36.34 | freemangordon | bencoh: it works |
| 12:36.39 | freemangordon | fishbulb: WHERE? |
| 12:36.57 | fishbulb | ./opt/fmms/ |
| 12:37.08 | freemangordon | bencoh: it is tricky to be setup and doesn't like some MNOs, but most of the time it works |
| 12:37.25 | bencoh | freemangordon: I'm sure it does, it was probably serviceprovider-related |
| 12:37.36 | bencoh | (and/or I didnt set everything properly) |
| 12:37.42 | bencoh | (and/or both) |
| 12:37.44 | freemangordon | fishbulb: in which directory you were when you executed the command? |
| 12:37.52 | fishbulb | oh. shit. no idea? |
| 12:38.05 | freemangordon | you just started the terminal and executed it? |
| 12:38.11 | fishbulb | yes |
| 12:38.15 | fishbulb | why wouldn't I do that |
| 12:38.20 | freemangordon | it is in /home/user then |
| 12:38.43 | fishbulb | yupo |
| 12:38.47 | fishbulb | what do I open it with |
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| 12:38.58 | freemangordon | fishbulb: text editor |
| 12:39.15 | freemangordon | or do cat fmms.log | more |
| 12:40.25 | fishbulb | oh what the fucking hell |
| 12:40.41 | fishbulb | it can't resolve pxt-get.vodafone.net.au |
| 12:41.40 | fishbulb | there are TONS of things it can't do apparently |
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| 12:41.42 | fishbulb | how do I copy this |
| 12:42.07 | fishbulb | can't resolve pxt.vodafone.net.au |
| 12:42.09 | bencoh | does it use the rigt APN? |
| 12:42.15 | freemangordon | copy to where? PC? |
| 12:42.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | does it use ANY APN? |
| 12:42.26 | freemangordon | fishbulb: ^^^ |
| 12:42.28 | fishbulb | is this anything to do with those fucking repos |
| 12:42.36 | freemangordon | hardly |
| 12:42.36 | fishbulb | what do you mean any apn |
| 12:42.44 | fishbulb | why is this doing this now |
| 12:42.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean can you browse the internet |
| 12:43.07 | freemangordon | when connected to GPRS that is |
| 12:43.13 | fishbulb | wait |
| 12:43.23 | bencoh | http://support.vodafone.com.au/articles/FAQ/PXT-MMS-settings doesnt say anyting about pxt-get, btw. strange |
| 12:44.11 | fishbulb | yes it browses the internet still fine |
| 12:44.26 | bencoh | and no, unless you (re)installed/upgraded something that would play with your phone/data settings, this has nothing to do with the repos |
| 12:44.44 | fishbulb | ok, then no, I didn't do that |
| 12:44.58 | fishbulb | unless the application manager did some weird shit when I started it |
| 12:45.04 | fishbulb | I NEVER use application manager |
| 12:45.11 | fishbulb | I use fapman |
| 12:45.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | OH MY!# |
| 12:45.20 | bencoh | ~speedyham |
| 12:45.21 | infobot | i guess speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb |
| 12:45.23 | freemangordon | ~fapman |
| 12:45.23 | infobot | hmm... fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam |
| 12:45.57 | KotCzarny | regarding speedyham it should be noted that it requires cssu |
| 12:46.04 | fishbulb | yeah well, fapman has zero repos in it now |
| 12:46.12 | fishbulb | and whatever the hell application manager has |
| 12:46.14 | fishbulb | doesn't work |
| 12:46.25 | fishbulb | which doesn't matter, I don't need to install anything, I need to send and recieve photos |
| 12:46.37 | fishbulb | how do I get this log to someone who can use it? |
| 12:46.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need to contact a DNS server |
| 12:46.53 | fishbulb | what? I'm browsing the web fine |
| 12:47.00 | fishbulb | with the device, through gprs |
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| 12:47.19 | freemangordon | fishbulb: mms uses different connection |
| 12:47.28 | fishbulb | ok yeah it does |
| 12:47.32 | freemangordon | fishbulb: double-check your mms settings in fmms |
| 12:47.41 | fishbulb | why would they have changed |
| 12:47.45 | fishbulb | and how could they possibly have changed? |
| 12:47.55 | KotCzarny | curl --upload-file fmms.log https://transfer.sh/fmms.log.txt |
| 12:47.55 | fishbulb | that bullshit I clicked on in the wiki? |
| 12:47.56 | freemangordon | vodafone could have changed them |
| 12:48.16 | fishbulb | no vodafone didn't randomly change the same settings that have always worked, as far as I know |
| 12:48.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | fishbulb: it's a pain to try and help you. every second word is bitching about stuff that we all *know* is unrelated |
| 12:48.37 | freemangordon | and just coincided with you clicking on that wiki link |
| 12:48.42 | KotCzarny | fishbulb: clicking the link started application manager, which in turn reset sources list to its own config and probably thats why fapman comes out empty |
| 12:48.43 | bencoh | KotCzarny: uploading sensible/private info to a public server? no way |
| 12:49.14 | freemangordon | fishbulb: move that file to /home/user/Mydocs |
| 12:49.18 | fishbulb | I don't know that it's unrelated |
| 12:49.21 | freemangordon | then connect via USB |
| 12:49.34 | freemangordon | then copy the file on your PC |
| 12:49.42 | fishbulb | I removed the repos from fapman becuase they were old and came up with nothing |
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| 12:49.46 | freemangordon | it is up to you how to move it further |
| 12:50.03 | freemangordon | it is /home/user/MyDocs |
| 12:50.14 | freemangordon | case is important |
| 12:50.21 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: :nod: |
| 12:52.06 | fishbulb | cannot preserve ownership of _____BLAHBLAH____ operation not permitted |
| 12:52.22 | fishbulb | what's rename |
| 12:52.25 | fishbulb | in terminal |
| 12:52.28 | bencoh | mv |
| 12:53.06 | freemangordon | you can ignore that ownership error |
| 12:53.26 | KotCzarny | fmg, why isnt vfat mounted with quiet by default? |
| 12:53.30 | freemangordon | fishbulb: "mv fmms.log /home/user/MyDocs/" |
| 12:53.46 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: in cssu? |
| 12:53.51 | fishbulb | is there likely to be anything sensitive in this log file |
| 12:53.56 | fishbulb | I couldn't really see anything |
| 12:54.02 | KotCzarny | fmg, apparently in stock (didnt check cssu) |
| 12:54.09 | freemangordon | fishbulb: you have it, just open it and check |
| 12:54.22 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: no idea, you should ask Nokia about that :p |
| 12:54.26 | fishbulb | I don't think there's anything |
| 12:55.49 | fishbulb | um |
| 12:55.53 | fishbulb | where is it? |
| 12:56.01 | fishbulb | I'm using debian |
| 12:56.04 | fishbulb | I can't find mydocs |
| 12:56.14 | KotCzarny | there wont be |
| 12:56.19 | freemangordon | it is the root dir of mass storage device |
| 12:56.23 | KotCzarny | whole mydocs is mounted |
| 12:56.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's called MyDocs |
| 12:56.39 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: when connected in mass-storage mode |
| 12:56.46 | fishbulb | yeah the file isn't in there |
| 12:56.58 | freemangordon | the you did something wrong |
| 12:57.01 | freemangordon | *then |
| 12:57.05 | KotCzarny | is it mounted on pc at all? |
| 12:57.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, mydocs |
| 12:57.15 | fishbulb | it's mounted |
| 12:57.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's called MyDocs |
| 12:57.21 | freemangordon | checks |
| 12:57.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | not mydocs |
| 12:57.52 | bencoh | freemangordon: we have the same warning in cssu(stable) iirc |
| 12:58.13 | fishbulb | it's only mounting the card |
| 12:58.16 | fishbulb | not the n900 |
| 12:58.17 | freemangordon | bencoh: ask Pali, he tweaked mount options |
| 12:58.25 | freemangordon | fishbulb: exit the terminal |
| 12:58.31 | freemangordon | and reconnect usb cable |
| 12:58.47 | fishbulb | yeah I'm doing that. duh. it was open and looking at the stuff |
| 12:58.55 | KotCzarny | bencoh: what is mount |grep /home/user/MyDocs output? |
| 12:59.06 | freemangordon | your terminal is holding MyDocs opened, so it cannot be unmounted from the device's OS |
| 12:59.10 | KotCzarny | (does it have quiet or not) |
| 12:59.35 | fishbulb | ok how do I get this to someone who can make sense of it? |
| 12:59.39 | fishbulb | I'm using freenode webchat |
| 12:59.57 | bencoh | KotCzarny: I dont see quiet |
| 13:00.12 | freemangordon | fishbulb: if you think thereis no provate info in that file, just copy the content to pastebin.com, for example |
| 13:00.21 | freemangordon | *private |
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| 13:00.29 | fishbulb | I am hoping there isn't |
| 13:00.32 | KotCzarny | i wonder if quiet was omitted for compatibility with remote possibility of having mydocs as extX partition |
| 13:00.36 | fishbulb | just don't be dicks about it if there is please |
| 13:01.01 | freemangordon | fishbulb: if you use pastebin.com, make sure it is not public visible |
| 13:01.43 | bencoh | oh and, chan is logged and logs are public |
| 13:02.02 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 13:02.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | expires in: 24h |
| 13:02.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | 6h if available |
| 13:02.37 | freemangordon | 10 minutes is available |
| 13:02.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 13:03.10 | fishbulb | http://pastebin.com/Tws43ufd |
| 13:03.18 | bencoh | 15:01 < pabs3> http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/130784.html |
| 13:03.20 | bencoh | Sicelo: ^ |
| 13:03.22 | fishbulb | it expires in an hour |
| 13:03.43 | KotCzarny | ping: unknown host pxt.vodafone.net.au |
| 13:03.53 | KotCzarny | i bet on bad settings in apn |
| 13:03.57 | KotCzarny | or fmms |
| 13:03.57 | fishbulb | what's the deal with that, of course it's known |
| 13:04.08 | bencoh | freemangordon: you might want to read pabs3 link as well :) |
| 13:04.13 | fishbulb | it's always worked before |
| 13:04.16 | fishbulb | in fact it worked last night |
| 13:04.17 | KotCzarny | unless it resolves ONLY when on vodafone network |
| 13:04.23 | KotCzarny | can it be you are on wifi? |
| 13:04.29 | bencoh | KotCzarny: it most probably does |
| 13:04.38 | fishbulb | that's turned off |
| 13:04.41 | fishbulb | back in a while |
| 13:04.54 | freemangordon | bencoh: yeah :) |
| 13:05.00 | fishbulb | KotCzarny: you'd know that it uses it's own connection |
| 13:05.08 | fishbulb | it doesn't connect to "the internet" it connects to "mms" |
| 13:05.14 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 13:05.20 | KotCzarny | fishbulb: your device cant resolve those vodafone names, are you sure you are on vodafone network? |
| 13:05.25 | KotCzarny | roaming maybe? |
| 13:05.29 | fishbulb | what? |
| 13:05.46 | bencoh | freemangordon: did you ask him to do some tests, or is he just following git activity ? L( |
| 13:05.49 | bencoh | :) |
| 13:05.50 | fishbulb | no, I'm in the same place I uusally am |
| 13:05.58 | fishbulb | I would have told you if I was in another country |
| 13:06.02 | freemangordon | bencoh: I asked him nothing |
| 13:06.02 | fishbulb | than usual |
| 13:06.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> Maybe voice format is not 4kHz, 16bit, stereo after all? << ROTFL |
| 13:06.14 | KotCzarny | fishbulb: there could be also interoperator roaming |
| 13:06.26 | fishbulb | back in a few minutes I have to put something on the oven, no they are not roaming |
| 13:06.31 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: :)) |
| 13:06.33 | fishbulb | they are local |
| 13:06.55 | freemangordon | fishbulb: what are your fmms settings? |
| 13:06.58 | fishbulb | I'[d have given you any important info like this |
| 13:07.08 | fishbulb | wait one moment please something is about to explode and burn |
| 13:07.14 | freemangordon | ok :) |
| 13:07.58 | freemangordon | hmm, "DNSIP=10.143.147.0" |
| 13:08.16 | freemangordon | is zero allowed here? |
| 13:08.26 | KotCzarny | not really |
| 13:08.35 | KotCzarny | who knows what they have on their network tho |
| 13:08.41 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 13:09.01 | KotCzarny | its peer2peer, so they might do magic anyway for packets |
| 13:09.24 | KotCzarny | also: + /usr/bin/nslookup pxt.vodafone.net.au 10.143.147.147 |
| 13:10.26 | fishbulb | big vat of packets |
| 13:10.33 | fishbulb | I mean beans |
| 13:10.43 | fishbulb | um. so it could be their phone? |
| 13:10.47 | freemangordon | fishbulb: double check http://support.vodafone.com.au/articles/FAQ/PXT-MMS-settings against your fmms settings |
| 13:11.06 | fishbulb | dude these are exactly the same settings as have worked for several years now |
| 13:11.22 | freemangordon | fishbulb: no, your device simply cannot connect to the server to get mms |
| 13:11.50 | freemangordon | fishbulb: so, you think vodafone changed nothing for the last several years? |
| 13:12.00 | fishbulb | well this is a new development and I did not change the settings |
| 13:12.02 | freemangordon | just check those settings, dammit |
| 13:12.15 | KotCzarny | they might have kept some old settings for compatibility and just dropped them this year |
| 13:12.20 | freemangordon | exactly |
| 13:12.28 | fishbulb | yeah but they're all the same settings |
| 13:12.33 | fishbulb | they also would have told their customers |
| 13:12.43 | KotCzarny | MMSC http://pxt.vodafone.net.au/pxtsend |
| 13:13.56 | bencoh | .0 addresses are legit |
| 13:14.01 | KotCzarny | http://support.vodafone.com.au/articles/FAQ/APN-Settings |
| 13:14.01 | fishbulb | as I said they'er all the same |
| 13:14.05 | fishbulb | all thje settings are the same |
| 13:14.11 | bencoh | (although a lot of netadmin dont know about it and block it) |
| 13:14.23 | bencoh | (I wouldn't call them "netadmins |
| 13:14.37 | KotCzarny | bencoh, its 'old' broadcast address |
| 13:14.45 | fishbulb | ok there are "advanced settings" in fMMS and there are no ip or dns addresses |
| 13:14.47 | bencoh | KotCzarny: no |
| 13:14.49 | fishbulb | though do there have to be? |
| 13:14.51 | KotCzarny | if you have really old stuff on your network things might get weird |
| 13:15.05 | bencoh | KotCzarny: it would be "net address" in a /24 subnet |
| 13:15.18 | KotCzarny | ah, right |
| 13:15.28 | freemangordon | fishbulb: yes, your setting must be the same as told by your MNO in order fmms to work |
| 13:15.41 | KotCzarny | forgot that it applies to class c mostly |
| 13:15.57 | fishbulb | ok weird, in the advanced settings, there are no ip or dns settings there anymore |
| 13:15.59 | fishbulb | fields are blank |
| 13:16.04 | fishbulb | I didn't do that. |
| 13:16.18 | freemangordon | well, fill them :) |
| 13:16.31 | fishbulb | um. with? |
| 13:16.36 | KotCzarny | http://support.vodafone.com.au/articles/FAQ/APN-Settings |
| 13:16.41 | freemangordon | http://support.vodafone.com.au/articles/FAQ/PXT-MMS-settings |
| 13:16.44 | KotCzarny | see mms part |
| 13:17.23 | fishbulb | KotCzarny: ALL of those settings are in there |
| 13:17.25 | fishbulb | like I said |
| 13:17.32 | fishbulb | but there's "advanced settings" in fMMS |
| 13:17.48 | fishbulb | that has fields for IP address, DNS and secondary dns |
| 13:18.09 | freemangordon | you don;t need those iirc |
| 13:18.21 | fishbulb | yeah, there never has been any settings |
| 13:18.21 | KotCzarny | you need proxy setting |
| 13:18.28 | bencoh | "there are no ip or dns settings there anymore" |
| 13:18.29 | fishbulb | why? I don't use a proxy |
| 13:18.32 | KotCzarny | if you miss it it tries to do dns resolve |
| 13:18.37 | freemangordon | but mms uses it |
| 13:18.43 | fishbulb | I don't know if there ever was settings in there |
| 13:18.46 | bencoh | ah |
| 13:19.13 | freemangordon | fishbulb: did you compare your setting with what is in http://support.vodafone.com.au/articles/FAQ/PXT-MMS-settings? do they match? |
| 13:19.34 | fishbulb | match precisely |
| 13:19.43 | fishbulb | there's no place to put that 505 though |
| 13:19.45 | bencoh | what about pxt-get then? |
| 13:19.47 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 13:20.01 | bencoh | (in your first log) |
| 13:20.04 | fishbulb | what about pxt-get ? |
| 13:20.11 | fishbulb | it said it didn't work |
| 13:20.16 | bencoh | 14:40 < fishbulb> it can't resolve pxt-get.vodafone.net.au |
| 13:20.20 | fishbulb | the recipient got none of the messages that said "message sent" |
| 13:20.22 | freemangordon | bencoh: that comes from the mms itself afaik |
| 13:20.31 | fishbulb | just read the log file instead of whatever I said |
| 13:20.35 | bencoh | freemangordon: ah |
| 13:20.44 | fishbulb | I was reading random parts of the log file out "loud" |
| 13:21.18 | fishbulb | I was typing shit from the screen, into this |
| 13:21.25 | KotCzarny | + exec sudo /opt/fmms/fmms_magic START gprs0 10.88.75.87 pxt.vodafone.net.au pxt-get.vodafone.net.au 10.143.147.147 10.202.2.60 |
| 13:21.26 | fishbulb | you know |
| 13:21.45 | fishbulb | then it doesnt' start for some reason |
| 13:22.02 | freemangordon | fishbulb: you could try to delete all mms you have so far and then try to send another one. It is possible there is some bad mms. Or, vodafone has changed something that made fmms incompatible |
| 13:22.15 | fishbulb | nah they haven't changed a thing |
| 13:22.31 | fishbulb | only thing might be their mms shit is down, but usually if ANYTHING goes down they send a text saying so |
| 13:22.38 | bencoh | or fapman autoremoved some file you need (?) |
| 13:22.50 | fishbulb | and I got a few pictures of a radiator and some tubes like... last night |
| 13:23.01 | fishbulb | no, I think application manager could have only done that |
| 13:23.06 | fishbulb | I really hope not |
| 13:23.31 | fishbulb | fapman is inert, I removed the repos, it was only coming up with extras devel |
| 13:23.34 | fishbulb | the main ones weren't working |
| 13:23.40 | fishbulb | so I clicked the link on the WIKI |
| 13:24.02 | fishbulb | it opened up appman for the first time in months and months, hung for a while, I don't know what it did. |
| 13:24.24 | fishbulb | added the mirrors I'm guessing, but I couldn't find any of the normal apps anyway |
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| 13:24.26 | freemangordon | it checks for updates |
| 13:24.47 | KotCzarny | also, for testing you dont need another person, you can send mms to yourself |
| 13:24.50 | fishbulb | well, the version of fmms is still the same and so are the settings that I can manually enter through the GUI |
| 13:25.00 | fishbulb | the problem IS that I can't get these pictures |
| 13:25.09 | fishbulb | and just a few hours ago, I actually did recieve some from another person |
| 13:25.10 | freemangordon | there is newer fmms in extras-devel |
| 13:25.23 | fishbulb | of a radiator and hoses and shit that I fixed but wasn't sure |
| 13:25.31 | freemangordon | no idea if it would help though |
| 13:25.49 | fishbulb | from the log, how broken is this exactly? |
| 13:25.56 | fishbulb | could it be vodafone has a problem at the moment? |
| 13:26.05 | freemangordon | yes |
| 13:26.09 | KotCzarny | sunday is a fine day for dropping deprecated settings for an operator |
| 13:26.10 | fishbulb | they don't even have a human help line here |
| 13:26.50 | fishbulb | KotCzarny: can you assume they don't change their settings because 24 million or so people would be calling in saying their phones don't work |
| 13:26.59 | freemangordon | what log says it that their DNS has no clue about pxt.vodafone.net.au |
| 13:27.09 | fishbulb | their dns? |
| 13:27.13 | freemangordon | yes |
| 13:27.16 | fishbulb | so it's their fault probably |
| 13:27.23 | freemangordon | could be |
| 13:27.28 | fishbulb | man how do I even get through to a person |
| 13:27.32 | fishbulb | I recieved an mms |
| 13:27.34 | KotCzarny | fishbulb, if they announced it few years ago, and just kept deprecated ones for compatibility, they could, most people change phones every 1-2 years |
| 13:27.35 | freemangordon | can't be 1005 sure |
| 13:27.40 | fishbulb | it came to the phone, but I can't download the picture |
| 13:27.53 | freemangordon | 100% that is |
| 13:28.39 | fishbulb | they could but it's unlikely |
| 13:28.50 | fishbulb | this city alone has 6m people |
| 13:28.54 | KotCzarny | http://www.vodafone.com.au/help/devices/ota-settings hehe, they dont have n900 there |
| 13:28.54 | fishbulb | it'd create havoc |
| 13:29.04 | fishbulb | they never did. |
| 13:29.08 | fishbulb | n900 never came with mms remember |
| 13:29.10 | bencoh | what if you try manually connecting to their mms APN and do nslookup from there? |
| 13:29.12 | fishbulb | this is a hack |
| 13:29.22 | fishbulb | from where |
| 13:29.26 | freemangordon | yes, what bencoh said |
| 13:29.28 | KotCzarny | enter that mms proxy setting |
| 13:29.34 | bencoh | from a terminal, once you're connected |
| 13:29.38 | fishbulb | enter the proxy setting where? |
| 13:29.42 | KotCzarny | if they have it there should be NO dns resolves |
| 13:29.53 | KotCzarny | fishbulb: in fmms settings |
| 13:30.02 | fishbulb | where? |
| 13:30.07 | freemangordon | "Connection settings" |
| 13:30.08 | bencoh | KotCzarny: ah, right, it might be resolved by their proxy .... |
| 13:30.15 | freemangordon | "HTTP proxy" |
| 13:30.22 | fishbulb | you mean the same proxy that I told you is the same as the site |
| 13:30.28 | fishbulb | no settings are different |
| 13:31.00 | freemangordon | fishbulb: please, do a screenshot of your fmms settings and upload them somewhere |
| 13:31.07 | fishbulb | no |
| 13:31.11 | fishbulb | they're identical to that |
| 13:31.16 | fishbulb | trust me I can read numbers |
| 13:31.25 | freemangordon | ok |
| 13:31.38 | freemangordon | then I am out of ideas |
| 13:31.39 | fishbulb | plus this is my ONLY phone |
| 13:32.00 | KotCzarny | Problem: "Name or service unknown"/"No route to host"/"Connection refused" or similar when sending |
| 13:32.02 | KotCzarny | Solution: Make sure you are connected to the MMS APN - if you still get the error, try pinging the mmsc host from the terminal. If it still fails, double check your connection settings. If your provider list a "MMS Proxy" or "MMS Gateway", input this in the HTTP Proxy settings for the connection |
| 13:32.15 | KotCzarny | source: https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=459426&postcount=1 |
| 13:32.32 | fishbulb | I don't get what could have messed this up |
| 13:32.47 | fishbulb | if only I had a backup from a couple of days ago |
| 13:33.09 | fishbulb | right, person is asleep, I'll try tomorrow |
| 13:33.30 | fishbulb | hope they don't mind not working tomorrow. |
| 13:36.39 | fishbulb | it sends to myself alright? |
| 13:36.47 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 13:36.57 | KotCzarny | but as i said, your settings are wrong |
| 13:37.00 | fishbulb | I just sent another picture to myself and it worked |
| 13:37.08 | fishbulb | WHICH |
| 13:37.10 | fishbulb | SETTTINGS |
| 13:37.14 | KotCzarny | mms proxy |
| 13:37.27 | KotCzarny | bencoh: + /sbin/route add -net 10.143.147.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gprs0 |
| 13:37.30 | fishbulb | how |
| 13:37.42 | fishbulb | how is that wrong now |
| 13:37.43 | KotCzarny | apparenytly on this network .0 shouldnt be allowed as an ip |
| 13:37.56 | fishbulb | how did that even change |
| 13:38.09 | fishbulb | it never changed |
| 13:38.23 | fishbulb | I am sending myself pictures |
| 13:39.01 | bencoh | KotCzarny: gprs interfaces behave as point-to-point anyway, so... |
| 13:39.52 | KotCzarny | bencoh, yeah, still, there is an ip of .0 which it tries to use later: + MMSCIP1=.0 |
| 13:40.42 | KotCzarny | see the log he pasted, lots of wtf |
| 13:41.10 | KotCzarny | does fmms store settings as a txt file? |
| 13:41.21 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: gconf iirc |
| 13:42.34 | fishbulb | it's a bunch of python |
| 13:42.36 | fishbulb | it's from 2010 |
| 13:42.39 | fishbulb | and has worked since then |
| 13:43.02 | fishbulb | mostly worked. actually. across some networks and inbetween some countries, it doesn't |
| 13:43.08 | fishbulb | but this number it's always worked with |
| 13:43.32 | KotCzarny | fishbulb, things change, even at operator level |
| 13:43.40 | fishbulb | no they don't |
| 13:43.45 | KotCzarny | nvm |
| 13:44.09 | fishbulb | not when literally millions of phones are at stake and half of australia is too dumb or young to manually input any of these settings |
| 13:44.38 | bencoh | unless "modern" phones just update their conf OTA |
| 13:44.54 | fishbulb | I wouldn't know, I don't own a modern phone |
| 13:44.58 | KotCzarny | fishbulb: most operators send settings when you put sim in the phone and connect first time |
| 13:44.58 | bencoh | which means their dumb owners wouldnt need to change it manually |
| 13:45.13 | KotCzarny | (probably keep # of phone and simcard in db) |
| 13:45.25 | fishbulb | usually that's what would happen |
| 13:45.39 | fishbulb | since this is a hack job and mms was never supported on the n900 |
| 13:45.47 | fishbulb | thanks for the help I |
| 13:45.58 | fishbulb | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.00 | KotCzarny | fishbulb: still, they send the settings via regular sms then |
| 13:46.12 | bencoh | KotCzarny: hmm, not really |
| 13:46.25 | fishbulb | that's what I remember from TEN years ago |
| 13:46.48 | fishbulb | when phones had buttons |
| 13:48.16 | fishbulb | even IF I had the money for some slimline android piece of retardedness with a quadcore processor and battery as thick as a credit card, that dies in 4 hours |
| 13:48.27 | fishbulb | I wouldn't buy one |
| 13:48.48 | KotCzarny | you should put that proxy setting into fmms |
| 13:49.40 | fishbulb | are you looking at screenshots or anything |
| 13:49.51 | fishbulb | there isnt' a place for proxy settings |
| 13:50.01 | KotCzarny | fmms author suggests otherwise |
| 13:50.12 | fishbulb | where are they? |
| 13:51.11 | freemangordon | in settings, "HTTP Proxy" |
| 13:51.33 | fishbulb | I'm done |
| 13:51.40 | fishbulb | 6 images went out into the ether |
| 13:51.45 | fishbulb | one came into my phone and I can't open it |
| 13:51.55 | fishbulb | it's 1am and I have to go, thanks for the help |
| 13:52.13 | fishbulb | 5 images came through fine just hours ago |
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| 13:54.18 | KotCzarny | doh |
| 13:54.24 | KotCzarny | i've just installed fmms |
| 13:54.34 | KotCzarny | settings->connection->http proxy |
| 13:54.51 | KotCzarny | either your fmms is broken or i dont know |
| 13:55.31 | KotCzarny | amazingly, mms settings are already done, could be that fmms has a db of operator settings |
| 13:55.50 | KotCzarny | (i've never used mms on this phone before) |
| 13:55.58 | freemangordon | or, you have that installed before :) |
| 13:56.02 | bencoh | freemangordon: https://gitlab.com/libcmtspeechdata/libcmtspeechdata/commits/master |
| 13:56.04 | KotCzarny | fmg: nope |
| 13:56.26 | bencoh | not sure what he's doing / why he needs that, but ... |
| 13:56.37 | KotCzarny | anyway, http proxy setting field is there, dont know how he could overlook it |
| 13:56.45 | freemangordon | bencoh: me neither |
| 13:57.00 | freemangordon | but I guess he tries ofono |
| 13:57.12 | bencoh | looks like it, yeah |
| 13:57.23 | bencoh | ofono+pa+cmtspeech from what I gathered |
| 13:57.28 | freemangordon | pa? |
| 13:57.44 | bencoh | I guess it stands for pulseaudio |
| 13:57.50 | freemangordon | which one? |
| 13:58.13 | bencoh | " Switch from very ugly pipes hack to pa_simple. Audio plays, not sure " for instance |
| 13:58.20 | bencoh | yeah it's pulse |
| 13:58.34 | bencoh | which means he has a working pulseaudio/cmtspeech setup |
| 13:58.42 | freemangordon | weird |
| 13:59.19 | bencoh | quite interesting, too :) |
| 13:59.30 | bencoh | it's a shame he doesn't hang around here |
| 13:59.43 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 13:59.51 | freemangordon | is afk for a while |
| 13:59.54 | bencoh | (same with sre, but...) |
| 14:00.23 | KotCzarny | fmg, i think fmms just added new connection setting |
| 14:00.34 | KotCzarny | so it has operators db for sure |
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| 14:08.18 | didaka | hrllo |
| 14:08.33 | KotCzarny | that was quick |
| 14:15.59 | KotCzarny | http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/130043.html |
| 14:16.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 14:17.41 | KotCzarny | did he get n900 recently? because he writes like a n00b |
| 14:21.32 | KotCzarny | and to everyone snorting on 'on device devel' he apparently does it too |
| 14:23.02 | KotCzarny | pali: you can probably invite him to #maemo (or some other n900 related channel) |
| 14:36.25 | Pali | KotCzarny: pavelm is not on irc right now, so cannot invite him |
| 14:36.29 | Pali | ~seen pavelm |
| 14:36.29 | infobot | pavelm <~pavel@217-112-171-13.adsl.avonet.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 438d 5h 1m 34s ago, saying: 'Hello!'. |
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| 14:51.33 | KotCzarny | pali: invite as in writing private email what it is and if he would like to come there :) |
| 14:52.05 | Pali | I think he has no time for idling on irc... |
| 14:52.20 | Pali | but if you need something, write him email and wait for answer :-) |
| 14:52.28 | Pali | be is active on kernel MLs |
| 14:52.33 | Pali | *he |
| 14:52.35 | KotCzarny | he seems to struggle with basic n900's things ;) |
| 14:52.49 | bencoh | KotCzarny: I doubt he's "struggling" you know :) |
| 14:53.19 | Pali | he try to use debian with upstream kernel on n900... |
| 14:53.32 | bencoh | yeah :) |
| 14:53.49 | kerio | i want mainline kernel ;< |
| 14:53.58 | bencoh | kerio: soon(tm) |
| 14:54.03 | kerio | yay |
| 14:54.09 | KotCzarny | i'm happy some core kernel dev got n900 and liked it |
| 14:55.13 | KotCzarny | bencoh, he tried to rsync /dev/mtd ;) |
| 14:55.33 | Pali | kerio: compile it :-) |
| 14:55.50 | kerio | Pali: yeah but stuff will stop working :( |
| 14:55.58 | Pali | yes :-) |
| 14:56.12 | Pali | because *you* did not fixed it yet! |
| 14:56.16 | kerio | Pali: where's the linux 4 bootimg |
| 14:56.32 | Pali | github --> linux-n900 tree |
| 14:56.33 | kerio | would hildon desktop even start |
| 14:56.36 | Pali | yes |
| 14:57.31 | sslayer | how much work needs to be done? |
| 14:57.53 | Pali | sslayer: see elinux.org/N900 |
| 14:57.56 | sslayer | i've seen that you and freemangordon have been working pretty hard these days |
| 14:58.30 | Pali | camera subsystem is broken, bluetooth driver is broken |
| 14:58.39 | Pali | IR diode is broken |
| 14:58.47 | Pali | DSP driver is broken |
| 14:58.55 | KotCzarny | pali, main thing is phone imo |
| 14:59.15 | Pali | audio alsa controls are different/incompatible with mainline kernel |
| 14:59.37 | Pali | modem as kernel part should work |
| 15:00.04 | Pali | and power management is also missing |
| 15:00.35 | sslayer | that's quite a few things |
| 15:00.40 | KotCzarny | uhum, gsm-voice and pm then for priorities |
| 15:00.45 | KotCzarny | everything else can wait |
| 15:00.58 | Pali | and there are also problems, that sometimes something randomly is not working... |
| 15:01.25 | Pali | KotCzarny: gsm voice is in userspace, closed pulseaudio blob |
| 15:01.34 | Pali | kernel part should work |
| 15:01.57 | KotCzarny | pali, no escape from pa then? :/ |
| 15:02.00 | Pali | somebody should check if Maemo pulseaudio blob is working for gsm voice calls or not :-) |
| 15:02.28 | Pali | KotCzarny: jonwil & freemangordon doing RE research for that pulseaudio blob |
| 15:03.18 | Pali | https://github.com/community-ssu/pulseaudio-nokia |
| 15:03.59 | Pali | KotCzarny: so after PA code wil be finished & working, somebody could take it and rewrite it to alsa... |
| 15:04.31 | Pali | btw, pulseaudio uses this lib for communicating with kernel gsm voice: https://github.com/community-ssu/cmtspeech |
| 15:05.26 | Pali | so maybe different approach from other side could work: write alsa driver for cmtspeech |
| 15:06.19 | KotCzarny | i wouldnt mind userspace support, makes it easier to port to different audio archs then |
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| 15:07.11 | bencoh | what's wrong/incompatible with alsa? |
| 15:08.22 | Pali | kerio: https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1493038#post1493038 |
| 15:08.42 | Pali | bencoh: different alsa controls |
| 15:08.44 | KotCzarny | bencoh, its more about opening it for choices, what if your distro of choice use pa? |
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| 15:37.42 | freemangordon | kerio: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1493038&postcount=158 |
| 15:38.09 | kerio | freemangordon: yes... |
| 15:38.15 | kerio | that's exactly what Pali posted :> |
| 15:38.24 | KotCzarny | white-on-black? argh |
| 15:38.39 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: default settings :) |
| 15:39.08 | freemangordon | that device suffers a reflash about 3 times a day :D |
| 15:39.15 | Pali | nope, retro green color :D |
| 15:41.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:41.30 | KotCzarny | i love what you did there tho |
| 15:42.25 | freemangordon | BTW, we should define "phone", as GPRS data works with upstream kernel |
| 15:43.43 | KotCzarny | gsm-phone vs sip-phone |
| 15:43.51 | freemangordon | Pali: BTW, any clue what "Jan 10 17:42:58 Nokia-N900 wlancond[1523]: Error in netlink message length" is? |
| 15:43.59 | freemangordon | this is with phonet up |
| 15:44.30 | Pali | no idea |
| 15:44.55 | KotCzarny | struct size changed somewhere? |
| 15:45.25 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: it has no problems with wlan |
| 15:46.18 | Pali | freemangordon: wlancond uses wext, not nl80211 stack |
| 15:46.42 | Pali | so make sure that full legacy wext stack is compiled in linux kernel |
| 15:47.10 | freemangordon | I should ask the guy who maintain rx51_defconfig :p |
| 15:47.27 | Pali | that error message comes from this socket: socket(PF_NETLINK, SOCK_RAW, NETLINK_ROUTE) |
| 15:47.58 | freemangordon | if ((len - (int)sizeof(*hdr) < 0) || len > res) |
| 15:48.07 | Pali | so I think that wlancond does not check properly for message type |
| 15:48.18 | freemangordon | struct nlmsghdr *hdr |
| 15:48.21 | Pali | and in upstream kernel was added another message type with other lenght |
| 15:48.50 | Pali | and wlacond try to parse that message (unknown for wlancond) and fails because of wrong length |
| 15:52.23 | freemangordon | Pali: maybe we should create some "upstream-support" package, fixing all those little issues (sgx, etx) |
| 15:52.52 | Pali | sgx is not touched |
| 15:53.11 | Pali | just that hal device for rtcom-call-ui |
| 15:54.34 | freemangordon | Pali: hmm, I am adding || true in /etc/event.d/sgx |
| 15:54.51 | freemangordon | for the fb- stuff. at least that was needed back then |
| 15:55.21 | Pali | where? |
| 15:55.40 | Pali | all sysfs entries used in /etc/event.d/sgx exists |
| 15:55.53 | Pali | no need to modify that file |
| 15:56.06 | freemangordon | yes, but some echoes return 1 |
| 15:56.15 | freemangordon | at least used to |
| 15:57.11 | freemangordon | I'll try without them |
| 16:03.20 | fishbulb | hi |
| 16:03.50 | fishbulb | I might as well try every option to get fMMS (re_+ |
| 16:03.54 | fishbulb | reworking |
| 16:04.11 | KotCzarny | fishbulb: you lied, there is http proxy option in settings in fmms |
| 16:04.29 | fishbulb | I wasn't lying, if it's there it's not obvious |
| 16:04.54 | fishbulb | oh wait. yes there is, it's in the main settings you put in there |
| 16:04.57 | KotCzarny | its obvious, you go to settings and its named.. 'http proxy' |
| 16:05.25 | fishbulb | but I already said all those settings are as the vodafone site says they should be |
| 16:05.41 | KotCzarny | what is entered in 'http proxy' field? |
| 16:05.50 | fishbulb | proxy 10.202.2.60 port 8080 |
| 16:06.29 | freemangordon | Pali: hmm it one can neither reboot nor poweroff with upstream. Any hint how to capture a trace? |
| 16:06.41 | fishbulb | I've double checked all of that :/ |
| 16:06.58 | Pali | freemangordon: I tried to debug this problem... but nothing... |
| 16:07.05 | Pali | ask Tony |
| 16:07.41 | freemangordon | I'll try to catch him on IRC later on, to see if I can convince him to boot maemo on his device with upstream |
| 16:08.15 | Pali | ok, in past I send email to LKML what is needed for patch and install for upstream kernel + Maemo |
| 16:08.31 | freemangordon | I hope all our fixes are compatible with his version of n900 |
| 16:08.40 | fishbulb | his version? |
| 16:08.50 | KotCzarny | fishbulb: and what is in mmsc field? |
| 16:08.51 | freemangordon | yes, he has development board |
| 16:08.51 | Pali | he has development board |
| 16:08.55 | fishbulb | lasers and shit attached? |
| 16:09.04 | freemangordon | dunno, never seen it |
| 16:09.07 | KotCzarny | and please stop swearing |
| 16:09.25 | fishbulb | "shit" is acceptable for TV |
| 16:09.34 | Pali | I bet it is RX-71 board |
| 16:09.44 | fishbulb | but since I don't have one |
| 16:09.54 | freemangordon | Pali: yes, you're right, 4.4 doesn;t need sgx tweaked |
| 16:10.12 | Pali | freemangordon: there are still that division by zero :-) |
| 16:10.27 | Pali | and that sgx script invoke it |
| 16:10.43 | fishbulb | does whatsapp or whatever it's called, work? |
| 16:10.50 | fishbulb | that's the only other way of sending pictures |
| 16:10.55 | freemangordon | I know, but because of that onenand breakage, I can;t keep my device in working condition long enough to check what's going on |
| 16:11.28 | fishbulb | hey I have a couple of spare devices, one has the usb traces pulled off the actual board |
| 16:12.14 | freemangordon | Pali: i need to do other stuff for about an hour or so, will continue later |
| 16:12.25 | fishbulb | one of those traces came off when soldering, and the fix for that isn't worth it |
| 16:12.48 | fishbulb | what's it good for? it can't charge normally or connect via usb anymore |
| 16:13.14 | fishbulb | the linux kernel has inbuilt support for n900 as a cell modem |
| 16:14.46 | fishbulb | which is cool, if the usb port isn't broken. I saw pinouts for the gpio pins on the back.. but I don't have tiny components to make a hacked on usb |
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| 16:28.39 | fishbulb | does anyone happen to know if that hardware hack even works? |
| 16:30.03 | fishbulb | what are these things worth now? |
| 16:30.10 | fishbulb | there's a slight resurgence in them |
| 16:30.15 | KotCzarny | 10-30usd |
| 16:30.37 | bencoh | ? |
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| 17:59.08 | freemangordon | Pali: I wonder if we should discuss upsteram kernel stuff on #linux-omap or #armlinux instead of #maemo |
| 17:59.42 | freemangordon | there are guys who know lots of stuff and are friendly (tmlind, nishant, javier,...) |
| 17:59.56 | freemangordon | we might get some help there, hopefully |
| 18:00.32 | freemangordon | after all, it is not maemo to blame for a kernel oops, device hanging on reboot, etc |
| 18:01.29 | KotCzarny | why not both? |
| 18:01.40 | freemangordon | both? |
| 18:01.50 | KotCzarny | #armlinux and #linux-omap |
| 18:02.24 | freemangordon | writing to 2 irc channels simultaneously? |
| 18:02.29 | freemangordon | sorry, don;t get it |
| 18:02.48 | KotCzarny | ie. ask the same question in both of them and see where it takes off? |
| 18:03.04 | freemangordon | it was not about asking questions |
| 18:03.51 | freemangordon | but rather allowing guys who know that stuff to read our discussions and eventually joining the conversation |
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| 18:34.16 | sslayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.25 | sslayer | this is on scratchbox as X86 |
| 18:34.33 | sslayer | is there something i'm missing to install? |
| 18:34.58 | sslayer | it has compiled succesfully on scratchbox |
| 18:35.03 | sslayer | so i guess the -dev files are there |
| 18:35.07 | sslayer | but not the .so itself? |
| 18:35.15 | KotCzarny | i think you are trying to use c++ mixed with c code |
| 18:35.28 | sslayer | but ldd doesn't show any not found library |
| 18:35.32 | KotCzarny | and c++ symbols are mangled by default |
| 18:35.49 | sslayer | well |
| 18:35.59 | sslayer | i don't know what i'm doing :) |
| 18:36.06 | sslayer | this getmewheels i didn't write |
| 18:36.11 | sslayer | but it works fine on the n900 |
| 18:36.27 | KotCzarny | there is a fix for it dont remember, let me google |
| 18:37.01 | KotCzarny | http://www.geeksforgeeks.org/extern-c-in-c/ |
| 18:37.13 | KotCzarny | erm, no |
| 18:37.17 | sslayer | ah, wait |
| 18:37.30 | sslayer | i think this .deb file was not well done |
| 18:37.33 | sslayer | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libqtm-12-dev libqjson-dev libqoauth-dev libqca2-dev libcurl3-dev |
| 18:37.39 | sslayer | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: /tmp/N900/getmewheels] > apt-get install libqtm-12-dev |
| 18:37.39 | sslayer | Reading package lists... Done |
| 18:37.39 | sslayer | Building dependency tree |
| 18:37.39 | sslayer | Reading state information... Done |
| 18:37.40 | sslayer | E: Couldn't find package libqtm-12-dev |
| 18:38.53 | sslayer | so... where's that package? |
| 18:39.29 | KotCzarny | re symbol name mangling: it's done because same function name can be defined multiple times for different args, and they are resolved later |
| 18:39.53 | sslayer | i think my problem is that i'm missing libqtm-12-dev |
| 18:40.01 | sslayer | that isn't on my sb for x86 but it is for armel |
| 18:40.23 | KotCzarny | compile for arm and test on device |
| 18:40.42 | sslayer | i think that'll work |
| 18:40.50 | sslayer | but i want to test it on sb |
| 18:41.00 | sslayer | where i'm about to do some changes to libqt-network |
| 18:41.03 | KotCzarny | export DISPLAY=ip:0.0 ? |
| 18:41.09 | sslayer | if i do that on the n900 i may break it |
| 18:41.12 | sslayer | and i don't want to :) |
| 18:41.31 | KotCzarny | though i dont remember if n900 allows remote x connections |
| 18:41.56 | KotCzarny | you can try sshfs mounting sb directory on n900 and run via ./ |
| 18:44.22 | sslayer | uhm |
| 18:44.32 | sslayer | it seems libqtm-12-dev is in some repo i was missing |
| 18:44.35 | sslayer | or something |
| 18:44.51 | sslayer | i think sometime in the past i screwed up my sb installation for x86 |
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| 18:54.37 | xorly | Pali: hi, have you tried any recent version of u-boot? I'm getting errors about unconfigured pullups on i2c, but they are turned on... |
| 18:55.35 | Pali | xorly: no, have not tested yet |
| 18:55.44 | Pali | please send email to u-boot ML about this problem |
| 18:55.57 | Pali | and CC to me and omap + arm maintainers |
| 18:56.47 | Pali | there should not be regressions, and if yes --> then bisect and force man who broke it to immediately fix it :-) |
| 18:58.28 | bencoh | sslayer: c++filt to unmangle c++ symbols, by the way |
| 18:59.10 | sslayer | bencoh: thanks |
| 18:59.24 | xorly | Pali: uhhh, I'm not such hardcore developer. I never wrote to any ML. IKD how to find that problem. |
| 18:59.49 | Pali | xorly: just write error which you see... and what does not work |
| 19:05.26 | KotCzarny | bencoh: what does it do? |
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| 19:05.47 | KotCzarny | doesnt that break things? |
| 19:05.50 | bencoh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.05 | freemangordon | Pali: there is something fishy about ti,twl4030-power-n900 |
| 19:06.16 | freemangordon | I can't find any reference to it, but in the dts |
| 19:06.32 | Pali | freemangordon: I know I sent email about this problem |
| 19:06.42 | freemangordon | I bet that is one of the reasons why reset/poweroff does not work |
| 19:06.56 | freemangordon | yep, I read that mail |
| 19:07.07 | Pali | "Nokia N900: twl4030-power different data in DTS and board code" |
| 19:07.37 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 19:07.56 | Pali | ha!! now it reminds it that reboot and poweroff is broken since 3.x kernels (for some x >= 0) |
| 19:08.04 | KotCzarny | bencoh, but its only for debugging, not actually fixing anything |
| 19:08.39 | bencoh | KotCzarny: I never said anything else :) |
| 19:08.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:09.08 | KotCzarny | i thought it was miracle cure to let one use c++ compiled libs with c code ;) |
| 19:09.20 | freemangordon | Pali: I will try to hack twl4030-power to use twl scripts from KP |
| 19:09.28 | Pali | ok |
| 19:09.40 | bencoh | there is no miracle cure for that (the cure would be getting rid of c++). you need to go through pain and tears |
| 19:09.58 | Pali | freemangordon: also note that there could be kernel crash whehn doing shutdown |
| 19:10.09 | bencoh | wrap every C++ call |
| 19:10.11 | KotCzarny | bencoh: yeah, usually just adding few glue funcs i need |
| 19:10.20 | KotCzarny | not everything, just those i actually need |
| 19:10.22 | Pali | so tony with his uber board could test it via serial console :P |
| 19:11.19 | bencoh | freemangordon: do you have serial on your n900? |
| 19:11.23 | freemangordon | no |
| 19:11.26 | bencoh | ah |
| 19:11.31 | freemangordon | Pali: :nod: |
| 19:12.01 | Pali | freemangordon: same problem is in qemu |
| 19:12.06 | Pali | and there is no crash |
| 19:12.10 | Pali | no output! |
| 19:12.18 | Pali | just kernel do nothing... |
| 19:12.25 | freemangordon | weird |
| 19:12.40 | Pali | so this could be easier for you to debug in qemu... |
| 19:12.44 | freemangordon | do you see twl4030_power_off called? |
| 19:13.00 | Pali | I have not played with it a lot, do not know |
| 19:13.18 | freemangordon | also, how to poweroff in qemu? with your rootfs? |
| 19:13.36 | Wizzup_ | init 0 |
| 19:13.37 | Wizzup_ | ? |
| 19:13.58 | KotCzarny | more like 'kernel didnt finish loading' |
| 19:14.19 | Pali | freemangordon: poweroff -f |
| 19:14.27 | freemangordon | thanks |
| 19:14.29 | bencoh | I guess there is no acpi-shutdown equivalent, so you cant use system_powerdown in qemu monitor :] |
| 19:14.35 | Pali | same as on any linux machine :-) |
| 19:14.44 | KotCzarny | ctrl-alt-del ? ;) |
| 19:14.59 | freemangordon | I used to use init 0 |
| 19:15.19 | Pali | there are no runlevels |
| 19:16.01 | Pali | so you need to call what last init.d script for shutdown doing... |
| 19:17.19 | freemangordon | ooh, "147.016448] omap_i2c 48070000.i2c: Too much work in one IRQ" |
| 19:17.32 | freemangordon | thousands of those |
| 19:18.24 | bencoh | when shutting down? |
| 19:18.40 | freemangordon | yes |
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| 21:05.41 | fishbulb | is anyone here from before when I my fMMS stopped working? |
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| 21:06.22 | fishbulb | magically stopped working after I clicked the repo mirror list from the maemo wiki |
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| 21:11.55 | fishbulb | if I reflash how do I keep my texts, MMS and calendar settings? |
| 21:12.02 | fishbulb | and calls |
| 21:13.22 | fishbulb | whatever went wrong definitely went wrong after I clicked the maemo wiki link for installing the repos |
| 21:13.57 | freemangordon | fishbulb: make a backup |
| 21:14.12 | fishbulb | I really wish I did that |
| 21:14.23 | fishbulb | but I trusted the wiki wouldn't break anything |
| 21:16.47 | jonwil | fishbulb: What exactly is broken? |
| 21:16.57 | fishbulb | I have no idea |
| 21:17.00 | fishbulb | the repos are for one |
| 21:17.17 | jonwil | so the symptoms you have are? |
| 21:18.07 | fishbulb | I got a log of the stuff fMMS spat out |
| 21:18.17 | fishbulb | mms was working perfectly |
| 21:18.18 | fishbulb | now it isn't |
| 21:18.35 | fishbulb | after I uesd those mirror repos |
| 21:18.54 | fishbulb | maybe it's possible that fMMS was upgraded from a devel repo? |
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| 21:22.30 | jonwil | what does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like (and the files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d) |
| 21:22.40 | freemangordon | dammit, rootfs got corrupted again :( |
| 21:22.59 | freemangordon | it seems it always happens after some oops |
| 21:23.08 | fishbulb | how do I get that into here without manually typing it |
| 21:23.38 | jonwil | do you have ssh activated on the phone? You can pull the file down via sftp if you do |
| 21:24.44 | fishbulb | I think so |
| 21:25.07 | fishbulb | is sources.list a directory? |
| 21:26.06 | fishbulb | wait, leafpad isn't installed |
| 21:26.06 | ceene | nope, but sources.list.d is |
| 21:26.10 | fishbulb | and I can't install it |
| 21:26.54 | jonwil | You should be able to use sftp to pull down the file from your phone |
| 21:26.58 | fishbulb | what about logs from app manager, because the links on the wiki |
| 21:27.16 | jonwil | app manager doesn't matter, its whats in your sources.list stuff that matters |
| 21:27.23 | fishbulb | the "install repos" links broke something |
| 21:27.48 | fishbulb | it was after I clicked the auto install mirror repos thing that this happened |
| 21:27.57 | jonwil | those links change things in your sources.list |
| 21:28.02 | jonwil | or sources.list.d |
| 21:28.05 | fishbulb | ok |
| 21:28.07 | jonwil | which is why I am asking about those |
| 21:29.40 | fishbulb | hildon-application-manager.list |
| 21:30.13 | jonwil | yeah that file |
| 21:30.16 | fishbulb | how can I list what's in there |
| 21:30.32 | fishbulb | vim and leafpad aren't installed, I was pretty sure they were |
| 21:30.38 | jonwil | pull it off the phone with sftp and open it in a text editor |
| 21:30.46 | jonwil | or do you not have sftp setup? |
| 21:30.52 | fishbulb | I don't have that set up |
| 21:30.55 | jonwil | ok |
| 21:31.00 | jonwil | you could try cat |
| 21:31.04 | jonwil | that can display the contents of files |
| 21:31.16 | fishbulb | cat hildon-application-manager.list |
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| 21:31.59 | jonwil | yeah |
| 21:32.59 | fishbulb | repository.maemo.org |
| 21:33.00 | fishbulb | is one |
| 21:33.05 | fishbulb | and linenoise mirrors are the other ones |
| 21:34.16 | fishbulb | community extras and extras testing for the http://repository.maemo.org |
| 21:34.26 | jonwil | what do you get when you do dpkg -l fmms? |
| 21:36.11 | fishbulb | desired=unknown/install/remove/purge/hold |
| 21:36.30 | jonwil | what version does it list? |
| 21:36.56 | fishbulb | | status=not/inst/cfg-files/unpacked/failed-cfg/half-installed |
| 21:37.01 | fishbulb | there's more crap |
| 21:37.10 | fishbulb | 1.3.6-1 |
| 21:37.51 | fishbulb | what's all that half installed warning stuff? |
| 21:39.18 | jonwil | The fmms line starts with ii, correct? |
| 21:39.28 | jonwil | so it says ii fmms 1.3.6-1, right |
| 21:39.30 | jonwil | ? |
| 21:39.37 | fishbulb | yes |
| 21:39.43 | jonwil | ok |
| 21:39.46 | fishbulb | then the short description |
| 21:40.07 | jonwil | ok, so hildon-application-manager.list, I need to see the exact contents... |
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| 21:40.45 | fishbulb | I need to somehow paste the contents here |
| 21:40.55 | fishbulb | I can't type out all the repos exactly |
| 21:41.20 | fishbulb | but why would sources.list.d affect mms sending and receiving like it has for AGES? |
| 21:41.31 | jonwil | somehow you got a version installed that doesn't make sense |
| 21:41.42 | jonwil | and seeing the repos will tell me where it might have come from |
| 21:41.44 | fishbulb | which version is this? |
| 21:41.55 | jonwil | not sure, thats why I need to see the repos list :) |
| 21:41.58 | fishbulb | is it some broken devel version? |
| 21:42.07 | jonwil | possibly |
| 21:42.08 | jonwil | I dont know yet |
| 21:42.11 | fishbulb | I hvae the maemo repos and the linenoise ones |
| 21:42.25 | fishbulb | I haven't manually edited it, the link from the wiki |
| 21:42.37 | fishbulb | the one that installs the repo mirrors automatically |
| 21:42.49 | jonwil | type out the entire line for repository.maemo.org |
| 21:42.52 | fishbulb | I have the linenoise ones installed |
| 21:44.00 | fishbulb | deb http://repository.maemo.org/community/ fremantle free non-free |
| 21:44.20 | jonwil | do you have cssu installed? |
| 21:44.24 | fishbulb | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free |
| 21:44.28 | fishbulb | yes |
| 21:46.04 | jonwil | ok if you type apt-get install fmms what do you get as output? |
| 21:46.12 | jonwil | does it display anything about version numbers? |
| 21:47.07 | jonwil | or does it just say "fmms is already the newest version"? |
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| 21:47.35 | fishbulb | done, yes, it says that |
| 21:48.16 | fishbulb | there's extras testing |
| 21:48.43 | fishbulb | doesn't seem to be extras-devel in there |
| 21:52.14 | jonwil | ok, so somehow you ended up with fmms 1.3.6-1 which is the version in extras-devel |
| 21:52.22 | jonwil | extras testing has fmms 1.3.5-3 |
| 21:52.27 | jonwil | and extras has fmms 1.3.3 |
| 21:52.42 | fishbulb | the linenoise repos are in there |
| 21:52.44 | fishbulb | wait |
| 21:52.54 | fishbulb | is there any comment on which version works? |
| 21:53.11 | jonwil | no idea |
| 21:53.27 | fishbulb | ssu/apps/ ./ |
| 21:53.39 | fishbulb | ssu/apps/mr0/ ./ |
| 21:53.51 | fishbulb | are the last parts of the linenoise repos in sources.list.d |
| 21:56.12 | fishbulb | the last two repos, which I assume are going to be the more unstable ones |
| 21:56.45 | jonwil | what are the urls for the linenoise repos? |
| 21:56.49 | jonwil | the http:// part |
| 21:57.00 | jonwil | or the full lines for that matter |
| 21:58.18 | fishbulb | deb httpL |
| 21:59.02 | fishbulb | deb http://maemo.linenoise.info/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ |
| 21:59.30 | fishbulb | deb http://maemo.linenoise.info/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ |
| 22:01.04 | jonwil | ok so you only have 4 lines in your hildon-application-manager.list? |
| 22:01.13 | jonwil | the 2 linenoise ones and the 2 extras ones? |
| 22:01.21 | jonwil | I mean maemo.org ones |
| 22:01.50 | fishbulb | I don't know if they're all listed twice |
| 22:02.52 | fishbulb | now I do, yeah, there are 5 |
| 22:03.09 | jonwil | so the 5 you have are the 2 linenoise ones? |
| 22:03.19 | jonwil | and then 3 for repository.maemo.org? |
| 22:03.37 | fishbulb | community extras extras-testing <-- for maemo.org |
| 22:03.40 | fishbulb | and the two linenoise ones |
| 22:03.47 | fishbulb | it doesn't make sense |
| 22:03.55 | jonwil | ok, you want to remove the one that says extras-testing |
| 22:04.07 | fishbulb | wait there could be some in fapman |
| 22:04.30 | jonwil | anyhow, having extras-testing enabled is why your getting the wrong version of fmms |
| 22:04.32 | fishbulb | nope I depeted all the repos |
| 22:05.01 | jonwil | ok so delete the extras-testing from sources.list.d and then reinstall fmms |
| 22:05.12 | fishbulb | I'll just disable it in app manager |
| 22:05.38 | jonwil | yeah do that |
| 22:06.20 | jonwil | then reinstall fmms and see if that fixes your problem |
| 22:06.30 | fishbulb | I will do so immediately |
| 22:07.18 | fishbulb | app manager is really slow |
| 22:07.35 | fishbulb | although for a "phone" that would have been in school for 2 years now it's not too bad |
| 22:07.39 | fishbulb | if it was a child. |
| 22:08.07 | fishbulb | hey should I apt-get update |
| 22:08.12 | jonwil | no |
| 22:08.17 | jonwil | I would rather keep my N900 that use a Galaxy S6 or an iPhone 6S |
| 22:08.44 | fishbulb | I would rather use this, because I can keep it to texts calls and gps |
| 22:08.58 | fishbulb | there's no facebook alerts, or other bullshit, constant dinging crap |
| 22:10.42 | fishbulb | SHIT |
| 22:10.45 | fishbulb | it failed again |
| 22:11.14 | fishbulb | it tried to download an mms that failed |
| 22:11.46 | jonwil | you deleted and reinstalled fmms? |
| 22:11.53 | fishbulb | yeah |
| 22:11.59 | jonwil | what version does it say its running now? |
| 22:12.00 | fishbulb | and it came up with the contents still |
| 22:12.25 | fishbulb | 1.3.3 |
| 22:12.41 | jonwil | which is the right version for extras (non-testing/non-devel) |
| 22:12.57 | jonwil | well I am out of ideas but at least you dont have any bogus repos there now |
| 22:13.01 | fishbulb | yeah. I'm thinking this should work. maybe the ones that were sent to the broken one won't open |
| 22:13.04 | jonwil | i.e. anything you shouldn't have |
| 22:13.19 | fishbulb | yeah thanks for the help |
| 22:13.42 | jonwil | never used fmms myself (never ever sent or received an MMS actually) |
| 22:13.46 | fishbulb | I'm pretty sure I did apt-get upgrade with the testing repo in there |
| 22:13.58 | fishbulb | I have to because everyone else with a phone does that all the time |
| 22:14.11 | jonwil | well you have the correct fmms version anyhway |
| 22:14.14 | jonwil | anyway |
| 22:14.15 | fishbulb | like I use this phone to communicate with non tech people |
| 22:14.25 | fishbulb | I can send a picture to myself |
| 22:14.54 | jonwil | yeah if other people use mms then yes you need to :) |
| 22:15.45 | fishbulb | I'm not about to buy a wafer thin quadcore thing that goes flat in 4 hours |
| 22:16.11 | jonwil | the physical keyboard on the N900 is the best I have used on any mobile device |
| 22:16.26 | fishbulb | I think it's the only one I've used? |
| 22:16.42 | jonwil | and much easier to type with than the crappy virtual keyboard on iPhones and etc |
| 22:17.08 | fishbulb | seriously even a mouse is easier to type with |
| 22:17.15 | fishbulb | smudgy bullshit |
| 22:17.33 | fishbulb | that needs serious processing power to predict all the failures that always happen |
| 22:17.42 | jonwil | I will keep using my N900 until one of 3 things happens:1.I somehow manage to get myself a Neo900 2.My N900 dies and cant be fixed or 3.I am unable to use my N900 anymore because of changes made by my cellular carrier or something |
| 22:18.06 | fishbulb | why would it stop working? |
| 22:18.23 | jonwil | the carrier might switch frequency bands |
| 22:18.40 | jonwil | or I may need to switch carriers for some reason |
| 22:19.24 | fishbulb | well I think only japan has abandoned gsm |
| 22:19.39 | fishbulb | 3g won't disappear for another decade or two |
| 22:19.43 | fishbulb | maybe? |
| 22:20.06 | jonwil | yeah but some carriers use (or might use) 3G frequency bands that the N900 cant do |
| 22:20.09 | jonwil | i.e. 850MHz UMTS |
| 22:20.15 | jonwil | One carrier uses it exclusively |
| 22:20.23 | fishbulb | oh |
| 22:20.24 | jonwil | and other carriers are potentially going to use it |
| 22:20.56 | jonwil | and yes the carriers in Australia are looking at getting rid of GSM so they can have even more bandwidth for high-capacity LTE |
| 22:20.58 | jonwil | or whatever |
| 22:21.14 | fishbulb | well gsm is the obvious one to go |
| 22:21.27 | fishbulb | that's only half of this phone though |
| 22:21.47 | jonwil | yeah but like I said, it may be that I end up forced onto UMTS 850 |
| 22:21.50 | jonwil | for some reason |
| 22:21.58 | jonwil | which is when I would need to stop using my N900 |
| 22:22.08 | jonwil | but hey, until that (unlikely) event happens, I can keep using it :) |
| 22:22.18 | fishbulb | are you in australia? |
| 22:22.21 | jonwil | yes I am |
| 22:22.31 | fishbulb | yeah same |
| 22:22.42 | jonwil | which carrier are you with? |
| 22:23.04 | fishbulb | vodafone |
| 22:23.22 | jonwil | I am with TPG (who use the Vodafone network) |
| 22:23.37 | jonwil | TPG used to use the Optus network but then they did a deal with Vodafone |
| 22:26.48 | kerio | jonwil: i think i'll stop using the n900 soonish :\ |
| 22:26.56 | jonwil | why? |
| 22:27.16 | kerio | neo900 costs almost more than a car |
| 22:27.26 | kerio | and n900 has awful specs to do anything except IRC |
| 22:27.39 | fishbulb | I can absolutely buy a working car for the price of the neo900 |
| 22:27.50 | Wizzup_ | Maybe go to #cars instead |
| 22:27.54 | fishbulb | a working road legal car that would get me across the country |
| 22:28.19 | bencoh | ke:( |
| 22:28.21 | bencoh | kerio: * |
| 22:28.38 | kerio | do note that it's not in any way a criticism of the neo900 |
| 22:28.48 | kerio | i understand where the price is coming from |
| 22:28.51 | kerio | it's just too much for me :( |
| 22:29.53 | fishbulb | why would it matter if it was a criticism? |
| 22:30.27 | fishbulb | it's more expensive than most other phones that exist |
| 22:30.49 | kerio | so what |
| 22:31.17 | kerio | that's like complaining that a concept car costs more than a house |
| 22:31.36 | fishbulb | I've built a touring car that "should" have cost as much as a house |
| 22:31.48 | fishbulb | and cost me less than the worst new car you can find |
| 22:32.03 | fishbulb | not worst, I mean cheapest |
| 22:33.27 | jonwil | My 2 main wishes for the N900 right now are to improve the security of the N900 (which I am doing my best to help with) and a better browser that can visit more modern websites (e.g. www.trello.com) |
| 22:33.44 | jonwil | but that last part isn't vital since I can still visit 99% of the sites I actually want to visit when I am out and about |
| 22:33.57 | fishbulb | I never bother visiting sites |
| 22:34.10 | fishbulb | the screen is tiny and awful, the sites mostly have to be mobile ones |
| 22:34.38 | fishbulb | if I want to internet, I use an android tablet and a shitty wep or open hotspot on this phone |
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| 22:37.09 | fishbulb | though what else from 7 years ago is still alright? |
| 22:37.59 | fishbulb | obviously everyone here keeps the thing for some reason. |
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| 22:53.44 | bencoh | no real alternative? ;) |
| 23:02.02 | fishbulb | I tried apt-get update |
| 23:02.18 | fishbulb | and the keyring for the two linenoise repos is... |
| 23:02.23 | fishbulb | not working for some reason |
| 23:02.50 | fishbulb | fMMS isnt' working anymore either. |
| 23:06.59 | fishbulb | I mean still isn't working |
| 23:15.37 | fishbulb | this is really frustrating |
| 23:15.48 | fishbulb | I deleted the linenoise repos becuase they didn't seem to work |
| 23:16.02 | jonwil | no ideas |
| 23:16.27 | ceene | O_o |
| 23:16.34 | ceene | i've managed somehow to make qt4 use tlsv1.2 |
| 23:16.50 | ceene | not that it's a solution right now |
| 23:16.57 | ceene | because i deleted things that need to be there |
| 23:17.07 | kerio | lol |
| 23:17.27 | ceene | but a little thingy i wanted to use that connected to a tlsv1.2 only https site now works with these changes i've made |
| 23:17.41 | kerio | qt4 being tls1.0 only is an endless cause of frustration |
| 23:17.54 | ceene | yes it is |
| 23:18.01 | ceene | i have a piece of software that didn't work |
| 23:18.03 | ceene | (getmewheels) |
| 23:18.10 | bencoh | it's plain stupid, too |
| 23:18.11 | ceene | but now it connects to the server and everything seems fine |
| 23:18.20 | ceene | the changes are pretty small |
| 23:18.32 | ceene | i have to restore back some things i deleted and debug it |
| 23:18.45 | kerio | mumble/murmur :| |
| 23:18.49 | ceene | but i think we can have a .deb soon |
| 23:19.01 | kerio | i have to tweak the port's makefile to make it use qt5 |
| 23:19.09 | bencoh | I dont really get one thing though... why are there any change needed ? |
| 23:19.24 | bencoh | +s |
| 23:20.02 | bencoh | ceene: I guess you've built qt against openssl-1.x? |
| 23:20.30 | ceene | because it has code such as this |
| 23:20.31 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.31 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.34 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.39 | ceene | yes, i got openssl-1 on the n900 |
| 23:21.14 | bencoh | ceene: yeah but that's for sslv2 vs sslv3 vs tlsv1 |
| 23:21.29 | bencoh | what about tlsv1.0 vs 1.x? |
| 23:21.35 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.35 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.38 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.56 | bencoh | what does q_TLSv1_client_method use? |
| 23:21.57 | ceene | but if you want to use v1.2 you need to use q_TLSv1_2_client_method() |
| 23:22.02 | bencoh | meh |
| 23:22.09 | bencoh | that's silly |
| 23:22.29 | kerio | openssl is pretty silly, yes |
| 23:22.44 | bencoh | krkr |
| 23:23.30 | ceene | yes |
| 23:23.42 | bencoh | fishbulb: the gpg key used in mirrors is the same as the original ones (ie; the nokia ssu gpg key); it expired years ago |
| 23:24.06 | bencoh | it doesn't mean mirrors dont work |
| 23:25.09 | ceene | well |
| 23:25.12 | ceene | i gotta go to sleep now |
| 23:25.16 | ceene | i'm quite happy with this! |
| 23:25.17 | ceene | :) |
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| 23:28.59 | bencoh | :-) |
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| 23:52.13 | fishbulb | hey if I reflash |
| 23:52.38 | fishbulb | how do I backup texts calls calendar |
