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| 07:51.32 | jonwil | hi |
| 07:53.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi |
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| 08:12.50 | fishbulb | hey I'm still using an n900 as my only phone |
| 08:13.14 | fishbulb | are there any blogs or anything like that about apps that still work, or "best apps" so to speak |
| 08:13.28 | KotCzarny | yes, talk.maemo.org |
| 08:13.32 | fishbulb | and it's been a few years, a reflash would be good |
| 08:13.39 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 08:13.39 | infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 08:13.46 | fishbulb | whta about a quick top ten |
| 08:13.52 | fishbulb | of STILL working ones |
| 08:13.55 | fishbulb | top 20 |
| 08:14.57 | KotCzarny | see above |
| 08:15.43 | fishbulb | I don't want to lose contacts, text and call history, and calendar info |
| 08:15.55 | KotCzarny | then flash only, without emmc |
| 08:16.06 | fishbulb | will all the junk be there though |
| 08:16.13 | KotCzarny | or install backupmenu first, do backup etc to be extra safe |
| 08:16.15 | KotCzarny | ~bm |
| 08:16.15 | infobot | from memory, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 08:16.19 | fishbulb | like the old root passwords and any random shit I installed from apt-get |
| 08:17.00 | fishbulb | if I could have a freshly flashed phone and put the contacts/texts/calendar back on |
| 08:17.40 | fishbulb | actually... is there a tool I can run that'll clean things up? I must have altered iptables and shit when I didn't relaly know whta I was doing with that, with apps and all kinds of crap |
| 08:19.36 | fishbulb | I'd like to reinstall linux, and then put my contacts back on |
| 08:20.20 | KotCzarny | see above |
| 08:20.42 | fishbulb | I'm reading it |
| 08:21.42 | fishbulb | does that flash script put power kernel and other stuff which is basically vital now? |
| 08:24.59 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 08:25.16 | KotCzarny | it flashes your device to a femantle 1.3.1 |
| 08:25.27 | KotCzarny | no special stuff |
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| 08:28.59 | capitanocrunch | hello |
| 08:29.23 | fishbulb | is that what I'm running now |
| 08:29.46 | fishbulb | from memory I have the power kernel and it's running cssu |
| 08:29.58 | KotCzarny | ~cssu |
| 08:29.59 | infobot | rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 08:31.28 | capitanocrunch | Navit team is trying to build a navit deb for maemo |
| 08:32.37 | capitanocrunch | but need help with some errors building on scratchbox |
| 08:33.16 | capitanocrunch | can you take a look at https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/62#issuecomment-170118637 |
| 08:34.12 | fishbulb | is there a weather app that actually works |
| 08:34.16 | fishbulb | I'm in australia |
| 08:34.48 | Humpelstilzchen | fishbulb: last time i hcecked omweather did work |
| 08:35.07 | fishbulb | I checked and it didn't |
| 08:35.10 | fishbulb | for this part of the world |
| 08:35.18 | fishbulb | it showed weather from the previous day |
| 08:35.36 | fishbulb | ignoring the local time and date |
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| 08:54.42 | jonwil | The included weather app (forcea) works just fine in Australia FYI |
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| 09:38.21 | capitanocrunch | is this a simple repository issue in scratchbox? |
| 09:38.34 | capitanocrunch | https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/62#issuecomment-170118637 |
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| 10:49.24 | ceene | i think it is |
| 11:36.32 | fishbulb_ | hey |
| 11:37.00 | fishbulb_ | what's the thing called to edit the autocomplete dictionary |
| 11:37.10 | fishbulb_ | I forgot what it's claled and can't find it in the repos anymore |
| 11:44.02 | ceene | autocomp edit |
| 12:07.51 | Sicelo | nice. never knew this one :) |
| 12:08.14 | Sicelo | gave up on the autocomplete when i found it 'suggests' even your entered passwords :( |
| 12:27.22 | fishbulb_ | can you change autocomplete to a different one? |
| 12:27.27 | fishbulb_ | like the "engine" or whatever? |
| 12:29.21 | fishbulb_ | this is still technically a smartphone, but it's the dumbest of them. I basically like that there is some internet access, no fucking apps or facebook notifications or any of that shit |
| 12:30.09 | fishbulb_ | like texts/calls, linux, access TO internet, but no modern apps at all. |
| 12:30.12 | capitanocrunch | bash-3.00$ sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL |
| 12:30.12 | capitanocrunch | bash-3.00$ dpkg -i ../deps/libdevil-dev_1.7.5-5maemo1_armel.deb |
| 12:30.12 | capitanocrunch | dpkg: error processing ../deps/libdevil-dev_1.7.5-5maemo1_armel.deb (--install): package architecture (armel) does not match system (i386) |
| 12:30.15 | capitanocrunch | Errors were encountered while processing: ../deps/libdevil-dev_1.7.5-5maemo1_armel.deb |
| 12:30.31 | KotCzarny | um |
| 12:30.35 | KotCzarny | switch target to armel |
| 12:30.52 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 12:31.09 | KotCzarny | apparently your install is broken |
| 12:31.17 | fishbulb_ | there's no autocomp edit in the repos |
| 12:31.20 | KotCzarny | have you tried the vm inmage? |
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| 12:32.59 | fishbulb_ | where is the repo list? |
| 12:33.04 | fishbulb_ | of current repos? |
| 12:33.13 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 12:33.13 | infobot | maemo-repos is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 12:34.25 | fishbulb_ | which ones do I use? |
| 12:34.28 | fishbulb_ | I'm using cssu |
| 12:35.40 | fishbulb_ | I think the repos on my device are outdated |
| 12:36.18 | Sicelo | indeed they are. i'm installing that editor right now |
| 12:36.39 | fishbulb_ | using which repos? |
| 12:36.54 | Sicelo | maemo-repos |
| 12:37.04 | Sicelo | but really any of the mirrors are good |
| 12:37.23 | Sicelo | muarf seems to be the most popular |
| 12:37.38 | fishbulb_ | so I click on that link and it'll install all the repos |
| 12:38.11 | Sicelo | no. you will see a list of documented mirrors |
| 12:38.44 | KotCzarny | im starting to think fishbulb should learn debian/linux basics |
| 12:38.57 | Sicelo | i think he knows :/ |
| 12:39.16 | fishbulb_ | yes |
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| 12:40.41 | fishbulb_ | yes, where does one learn these things |
| 12:40.46 | fishbulb_ | where's "the manual" |
| 12:42.30 | KotCzarny | you may start with debian general manual (applies partially to maemo): https://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
| 12:42.38 | Sicelo | i've even forgotten how to use the autocomplete, especially with vkbd. how do i 'accpet' a suggested word? |
| 12:42.51 | KotCzarny | sicelo, space maybe? |
| 12:43.14 | Sicelo | at least in vkbd that doesn't have desired effect |
| 12:43.35 | Sicelo | hwkbd you use right arrow |
| 12:43.59 | Sicelo | i remember now .. you swipe on the suggested word in vkbd |
| 12:44.20 | KotCzarny | fishbulb: then google 'linux basics' and learn it for a day or two |
| 12:44.30 | Sicelo | tricky though, as you must swipe 'from' the highlighted point |
| 12:45.17 | kerio | fishbulb_: if this was openbsd we'd have the man pages that actually explain stuff |
| 12:45.26 | kerio | well written, updated, exhaustive |
| 12:46.23 | fishbulb_ | so I just google "linux" |
| 12:46.33 | fishbulb_ | I'm asking shit that's specific to this phone |
| 12:46.51 | fishbulb_ | repos: I need them |
| 12:46.58 | Sicelo009N | hehe |
| 12:47.14 | fishbulb_ | the phone needs software, where are the working repos please |
| 12:47.33 | KotCzarny | kerio: nokia decided to purge any documentation on maemo |
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| 12:48.02 | fishbulb_ | and nobody in the world has it? |
| 12:48.05 | kerio | KotCzarny: linux distros in general have disappointing man pages |
| 12:48.08 | fishbulb_ | how are there developers FOR maemo? |
| 12:48.25 | fishbulb_ | I don't believe that. |
| 12:48.36 | fishbulb_ | there is documentation somewhere |
| 12:49.00 | fishbulb_ | people involved in this neo-900 project are INCREDIBLY precious about it |
| 12:49.16 | fishbulb_ | probably because it involves money. |
| 12:49.40 | KotCzarny | basically its just a linux system, debianish |
| 12:49.51 | KotCzarny | anything that applies to linux or debian, also applies to maemo |
| 12:50.01 | kerio | fishbulb_: there's docs |
| 12:50.08 | kerio | they're just not installed on the n900 because of space concerns |
| 12:50.23 | kerio | nokia tried pretty hard to pretend it's a phone |
| 12:52.01 | fishbulb_ | it is |
| 12:52.04 | fishbulb_ | it makes calls |
| 12:52.09 | fishbulb_ | it does text messages |
| 12:52.26 | fishbulb_ | it's primary function is a phone. it runs linux |
| 12:52.50 | fishbulb_ | it defaults to a phone, I suppose technically what.. it's a tablet? it's a "device" that has 3g capabilities? |
| 12:53.02 | fishbulb_ | a miniature tablet |
| 12:53.14 | fishbulb_ | with a keyboard and can make calls, texts and the rest |
| 12:54.32 | kerio | it runs what's basically a vaguely finger-friendly linux desktop system |
| 12:54.40 | kerio | of circa 2008 |
| 12:54.46 | fishbulb_ | that too |
| 12:55.01 | kerio | and includes a well-supported phone module that can do calls and texts |
| 12:55.04 | fishbulb_ | 2008? I thought 2009 |
| 12:55.14 | KotCzarny | supported? |
| 12:55.23 | kerio | KotCzarny: well, it works |
| 12:55.28 | kerio | which means that there's drivers :> |
| 12:55.47 | fishbulb_ | yes it works, I use it every day |
| 12:55.52 | KotCzarny | only with legacy kernel |
| 12:56.08 | KotCzarny | i wouldnt call it supported |
| 12:56.12 | KotCzarny | only 'working' |
| 12:58.59 | kerio | well ok |
| 13:01.28 | Pali | freemangordon: with last mce on 4.4 kernel I'm getting this: |
| 13:01.28 | Pali | Jan 9 13:59:44 Nokia-N900 kernel: [ 4400.524963] keyboard: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 152 |
| 13:01.28 | Pali | Jan 9 13:59:44 Nokia-N900 mce[2484]: Cannot close `/sys/devices/platform/gpio_keys/disabled_keys'; Invalid argument |
| 13:06.53 | fishbulb_ | legacy kernel? |
| 13:07.04 | KotCzarny | the nokia's one |
| 13:07.12 | fishbulb_ | they made this thing |
| 13:07.18 | fishbulb_ | it's a phone. |
| 13:07.32 | fishbulb_ | it defaults to a phone. if you pull it out of the box it's a phone |
| 13:07.43 | fishbulb_ | you pull the sim out it defaults to an emergency call only phone |
| 13:08.08 | fishbulb_ | linux poeple CAN mess with it endlessly, but it's a "smartphone" from 2009 |
| 13:08.56 | kerio | fishbulb_: you can literally just grab a random linux desktop program |
| 13:08.58 | kerio | compile it |
| 13:09.00 | kerio | and it will work |
| 13:09.08 | fishbulb_ | compile it for arm |
| 13:09.16 | fishbulb_ | you can run busybox in android |
| 13:09.47 | fishbulb_ | now how do I get the repos on my phone please? |
| 13:09.48 | KotCzarny | but not graphical ones |
| 13:09.53 | kerio | which is why i said desktop program |
| 13:10.00 | kerio | ie one that uses gtk or qt |
| 13:10.03 | fishbulb_ | terminal software |
| 13:10.10 | kerio | with typically alsa or pulseaudio |
| 13:10.13 | kerio | for sound |
| 13:10.48 | fishbulb_ | how do I get repos on this thing? |
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| 13:17.08 | fishbulb_ | I clicked on the install thing for the mirrors |
| 13:17.10 | fishbulb_ | no dice |
| 13:17.26 | fishbulb_ | how long should that take? it looks like my device is frozen |
| 13:19.02 | KotCzarny | what 'install thing' |
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| 13:19.16 | Sicelo | as long as it takes your network and device to process everything :) |
| 13:20.55 | fishbulb_ | autocomp edit isn't in there |
| 13:21.00 | fishbulb_ | something went wrong |
| 13:21.08 | fishbulb_ | I think I installed both mirrors |
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| 13:26.16 | fishbulb_ | turn off then on again didn't work |
| 13:26.27 | fishbulb_ | I'm out of ideas. |
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| 14:48.04 | capitanocrunch | hi again |
| 14:49.35 | capitanocrunch | navit team trying to build navit for maemo but needs help with scratchbox |
| 14:50.36 | capitanocrunch | there is a issue installing debs from repos |
| 14:51.15 | capitanocrunch | can somebody look at this? https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/62#issuecomment-170240617 |
| 15:22.37 | freemangordon | Pali: "[PATCH] input: gpio_keys: Fix check for disabling unsupported key" is the fix for the second message. It needs board dts fix as well, I'll send a patch for it(most probably tomorrow). I saw the other message as well, but have no idea what it is. |
| 15:23.04 | Pali | freemangordon: ok |
| 15:23.14 | Pali | I have hal/ke-recv semi-working |
| 15:23.22 | Pali | will commit patches to github |
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| 15:23.42 | Pali | there is problem in musb, see lkml email (cced) |
| 15:25.18 | freemangordon | yep, just came home, still reading through the emails |
| 15:28.55 | freemangordon | Pali: does "echo peripheral ..." make missing cable.button to appear? |
| 15:29.06 | Pali | no |
| 15:29.09 | Pali | hal patch is needed |
| 15:29.10 | freemangordon | :( |
| 15:29.15 | freemangordon | hal patch? |
| 15:29.24 | freemangordon | looks on github |
| 15:29.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | moin nerds |
| 15:29.48 | Pali | echo peripheral is needed because musb does not export gadget to PC |
| 15:29.55 | Pali | I did not pushed patches to github yet |
| 15:29.56 | freemangordon | nerds? where do you see them? :) |
| 15:30.00 | freemangordon | ah, ok |
| 15:30.10 | Pali | still fixing ke-recv... |
| 15:30.25 | freemangordon | Pali: can;t we just grab newer hal? or it doesn;t make sense |
| 15:30.35 | Pali | no it does not make sense |
| 15:30.38 | Pali | as this is Nokia hal |
| 15:30.51 | freemangordon | Nokia hal? |
| 15:30.53 | Pali | there is no new version of Nokia hal |
| 15:31.00 | Pali | hal patches by Nokia |
| 15:31.01 | freemangordon | ok |
| 15:34.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | could you add a usleep of at least 200ms after detecting USB VBUS before testing D+/- short? |
| 15:35.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | or will this break ENUM? |
| 15:35.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't |
| 15:38.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway there's this annoying race condition when you plug in the USB charger slowly and GND/VBUS is already making contact while the shorter D+/- don't yet. So the device never (until mate-cycling) detects the fastcharger |
| 15:38.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | this even happens during UNplugging to me every once in a while now |
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| 15:52.23 | Pali | freemangordon, done, packages are now in cssu-devel and code on github |
| 15:52.41 | freemangordon | ok |
| 15:53.20 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: problem looks like that musb enters into host mode by default |
| 15:53.38 | Pali | and kernel show b_idle mode, not peripheral |
| 15:55.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, those are symptoms. the cause is the D+- contacts in plug are shorter than gnd and vbus |
| 15:59.54 | Pali | freemangordon: have you tested Dmitry's patch for gpio_keys? |
| 16:00.09 | freemangordon | Pali: no, planned it for tomorrow |
| 16:00.13 | Pali | ok |
| 16:01.16 | Pali | about musb, looks like kernel configured DevCtl musb register incorrectly after boot |
| 16:01.32 | Pali | and that "echo peripheral > mode" fixes it |
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| 17:34.53 | stryngs | Does anyone know, what the J looking piece of metal, on the inside of the back cover does? |
| 17:34.57 | stryngs | It popped off mine |
| 17:41.26 | KotCzarny | cover sensor |
| 17:41.41 | KotCzarny | ie. sd sensor etc |
| 17:42.24 | KotCzarny | and i think camera sensor |
| 17:42.50 | stryngs | Hmm |
| 17:42.53 | stryngs | So important then |
| 17:43.13 | KotCzarny | hmm, inside is only lens cover tho |
| 17:43.42 | KotCzarny | if your sd works, rhen just lens sensor |
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| 19:21.05 | Pali | hello, any idea where is hosted ipt_TRIGGER.ko netfilter module? |
| 19:21.34 | Pali | I found source code in on more untrusted "forums" on internet... |
| 19:21.40 | Pali | but no relevant project |
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| 19:27.49 | KotCzarny | hmm, kernel source? |
| 19:36.18 | bencoh | or patch-o-matic maybe... but that's deprecated (obsolete actually) |
| 19:36.45 | bencoh | (patchomatic is) |
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| 19:39.36 | Pali | bencoh: I looked into xtables-addons |
| 19:39.42 | Pali | but module is not there :-( |
| 19:42.03 | bencoh | google says svn.dd-wrt.com |
| 19:42.11 | Pali | ipt_TRIGGER can be used as "reverse" recent module... if you create connection to address X and after that you receive packets from X (but different port) you can match this connection with ipt_TRIGGER |
| 19:42.40 | Pali | in combination with masquerade, you can create dynamic port forwarding |
| 19:42.52 | Pali | based on source (local) address |
| 19:43.07 | bencoh | hmm I see |
| 19:43.14 | Pali | bencoh: I saw also sources on some dd-wrt linux subproject |
| 19:43.54 | Pali | but... I trust more project like this "http://xtables-addons.sourceforge.net/" as some source code on some forum... |
| 19:44.21 | bencoh | does it mark it as related in conntrack? |
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| 19:48.01 | Pali | bencoh: looks like not |
| 19:49.12 | Pali | everything is marked executed with TRIGGER target |
| 19:49.34 | bencoh | it keeps an internal table :/ |
| 19:49.58 | bencoh | doesnt look "pretty" |
| 19:50.15 | bencoh | no wonder it has never been upstreamed |
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| 19:53.04 | bencoh | Pali: you might be able to do the same with CT |
| 19:53.15 | bencoh | (the netfilter target) |
| 19:53.19 | Pali | bencoh: how? |
| 19:53.26 | Pali | I was thinking about it |
| 19:53.33 | Pali | but no idea |
| 19:54.05 | Pali | CT is conntrack, right |
| 19:55.18 | stryngs | Pali: Do you have knowledge on the J piece of metal on the inside cover of the back plate ? |
| 19:55.27 | stryngs | Pali: It popped off, trying to figure out it's exact purpose |
| 19:55.43 | bencoh | or maybe you'd need a netfilter conntrack helper ... dunno |
| 19:55.44 | Defiant | stryngs: is it magnet? |
| 19:55.59 | Pali | stryngs: do not know |
| 19:56.02 | Defiant | magnetic |
| 19:56.12 | bencoh | a helper would probably be *much* cleaner than this TRIGGER module anyway |
| 19:56.34 | Pali | bencoh: yes, but helper needs to be kernel module |
| 19:56.49 | Pali | TRIGGER is generic |
| 19:57.09 | Pali | conntrack modules are specific for one option |
| 19:57.11 | bencoh | ? |
| 19:57.23 | bencoh | .ko ? ;p |
| 19:57.30 | stryngs | Defiant: Yes, it is ferrous |
| 19:57.44 | Defiant | stryngs: probably for a reed switch |
| 19:57.45 | stryngs | It is a J shaped piece of metal |
| 19:59.32 | Defiant | stryngs: any idea where it was? I don't see one on my backcover |
| 20:01.06 | stryngs | Defiant: Every n900 has one |
| 20:01.09 | stryngs | If you pull the lid off |
| 20:01.17 | stryngs | have the blue piece on the left hand side |
| 20:01.26 | stryngs | From right to left |
| 20:01.30 | stryngs | it's the first piece of metal |
| 20:01.33 | stryngs | It's molded into it |
| 20:01.54 | Defiant | [82684.320587] mmc0: cover is closed, card is now accessible |
| 20:01.57 | Defiant | aah thats what it is for |
| 20:02.40 | Defiant | it detects if cover is present |
| 20:03.44 | stryngs | Ok |
| 20:03.49 | stryngs | Do I need to care? |
| 20:04.19 | Defiant | stryngs: do you need the mmc? |
| 20:04.28 | stryngs | SD card? |
| 20:04.31 | Defiant | yes |
| 20:04.36 | stryngs | I'd like to |
| 20:04.59 | Defiant | then you probably need to care, unless you mount it manually |
| 20:05.42 | Sicelo | won't mount manually. you'd need to hack the driver |
| 20:06.44 | stryngs | hmm |
| 20:06.48 | Sicelo | and i probably don't know what 'j' looks like because i see nothing that looks like 'j' on either of my N900 |
| 20:06.57 | stryngs | Pull the back plate off |
| 20:07.08 | stryngs | Maybe it looks like an L |
| 20:07.17 | stryngs | Has two indentations where it mounts to the plastic |
| 20:07.22 | stryngs | You can't miss it =) |
| 20:07.35 | Defiant | there really is somethong magnetic in the backcover, I just can't see it. |
| 20:07.44 | Defiant | I shouldn't have painted all black :( |
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| 20:09.51 | Sicelo | i'm too dumb. i don't see any metallic pieces on back cover, except the spring for the camera shutter |
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| 20:11.17 | Sicelo | stryngs ... pic please? |
| 20:11.56 | Sicelo | medium to low res though ... on metered connection |
| 20:12.49 | Humpelstilzchen | .o0(I should remember to dust the inside once in a while) |
| 20:14.28 | stryngs | Sicelo: k |
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| 20:16.11 | Humpelstilzchen | aah found it |
| 20:16.23 | Humpelstilzchen | Sicelo: do you have the backcover in the hand? |
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| 20:17.26 | Humpelstilzchen | not what I would call an L.. |
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| 20:18.00 | stryngs | http://www.picpaste.com/20000101_001-3bfLl6mb.jpg |
| 20:18.08 | Sicelo | i have two covers |
| 20:18.09 | stryngs | The pen points to where it mounts |
| 20:18.45 | KotCzarny | defiant: magnetic part is on the outside |
| 20:19.09 | KotCzarny | stryngs: replacement backcover is cheap |
| 20:19.21 | stryngs | KotCzarny: I don't need a replacement, I want to know what its for =) |
| 20:19.31 | stryngs | KotCzarny: Superglue would fix it |
| 20:19.39 | stryngs | KotCzarny: I'm interested in it's point |
| 20:19.58 | KotCzarny | ahm, this part |
| 20:20.02 | Sicelo | that thing does nothing |
| 20:20.12 | Sicelo | it just helps the movement of the 'stand' |
| 20:20.30 | stryngs | Sicelo: Hmm |
| 20:20.32 | Sicelo | to make it sort of snap into place. |
| 20:21.01 | stryngs | Sicelo: So OS wise (Detection and stuff), pointless |
| 20:21.40 | KotCzarny | stryngs, if your card doesnt umount while backcover is in place then no |
| 20:21.42 | Sicelo | that is if you mean the one sitting on white patch? does nothing for OS |
| 20:22.23 | KotCzarny | offtopic, how come it got broken? did you drop the n900? |
| 20:22.27 | Sicelo | actually, on both my covers it is no longer there :) |
| 20:22.32 | stryngs | Word |
| 20:22.40 | stryngs | Sicelo: And on your SD card, no effect? |
| 20:23.48 | Humpelstilzchen | stryngs: that not the one for the SD |
| 20:24.25 | stryngs | And that's what I care about |
| 20:24.35 | Humpelstilzchen | that part is not even magnetic on mine |
| 20:24.42 | stryngs | It is on mine |
| 20:24.44 | stryngs | very |
| 20:24.51 | stryngs | It iself is not magnetic, but it is ferrous |
| 20:24.57 | stryngs | i.e. A magnet will attract it |
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| 20:25.26 | Humpelstilzchen | stryngs: don't you usually need a strong magnet for that? |
| 20:25.28 | Sicelo009N | crappy connection :( yes, that has zero realtion to sd card. yes, my sd card & camera work just fine with that thing missing. |
| 20:25.46 | stryngs | Humpelstilzchen: My refridgerator magnet picks it up |
| 20:25.48 | Sicelo009N | as i told you, it just causes the stand to 'snap' |
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| 20:26.42 | Sicelo009N | the sd card magnet is hidden close to the black 'patch' on camera door whern it is closed |
| 20:26.44 | stryngs | Sicelo: Word. Just wanted to make sure. Performing a new release for the hackpack today |
| 20:26.50 | stryngs | Sicelo: Can't have issues... |
| 20:27.08 | Sicelo009N | the white & black patch are for the camera on/off |
| 20:27.32 | Sicelo009N | everything else is for ... decor :) |
| 20:32.08 | Sicelo009N | anyway, this exercise has made me realize that 'back cover out' event is not detected on my 2nd N900 :( |
| 20:32.29 | Sicelo009N | problem is with N900, as the cover works fine on my other N900. |
| 20:32.30 | KotCzarny | maybe its permanently out |
| 20:33.08 | Sicelo009N | what? |
| 20:34.26 | Sicelo009N | i think the sensor in N900 is fried .. this device had very nice treament as far as i can tell, but when USB came off, whoever owned it got a bad repair guy. |
| 20:35.31 | Sicelo009N | will reflash sometime soon to confirm if i don't just have bad software. earphone also doesn't work (but nokia headset works). phone unlocks UI on camera cover opening, etc. weird behavior. |
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| 20:54.40 | Sicelo009N | ah, no internet :( so can't download flasher. will have to wait for tomorrow |
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| 21:24.57 | tryagain | Hi! My build depends on a few packages from fremantle extra/freemantle extra devel repos. What's proper way to satisfy these build time dependencies? Directly adding these repos to /etc/apt/sources.list seems to break scratchbox dpkg dependency tree. |
| 21:25.11 | tryagain | I attempt to build navit, another discussion is here: https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/62 |
| 21:26.51 | Sicelo009N | i wish someone would help ^^ (he's been asking for a long time) :) |
| 21:27.21 | Sicelo009N | and i believe there are lots of people out there interested in navit on N900 |
| 21:27.21 | bencoh | where does ../deps/libdevil comes from? |
| 21:28.00 | tryagain | from fremantle extra repo |
| 21:28.19 | tryagain | downloaded by hand |
| 21:28.35 | bencoh | you shouldn't need to download it by hang |
| 21:28.49 | tryagain | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/d/devil/libdevil-dev_1.7.5-5maemo1_armel.deb |
| 21:29.07 | tryagain | ah, it's actually from extras-devel |
| 21:29.27 | bencoh | yeah, devil is in extras-devel only |
| 21:29.56 | bencoh | anyway, are you sure you configured your FREMANTLE_ARMEL target properly? |
| 21:31.10 | tryagain | i use a preconfigured vm image. Yesterday i was incorrectly logging into scratchbox with '/scratchbox/login bash' |
| 21:31.45 | bencoh | Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z <-- this one I guess? |
| 21:32.29 | tryagain | http://maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z |
| 21:32.30 | bencoh | if you think your sb env is messed up I'd start again with a fresh one |
| 21:33.55 | tryagain | actually, i've started today with a clean copy. |
| 21:34.33 | bencoh | ah. |
| 21:35.07 | bencoh | well... then try adding extras* repositories to your sources.list |
| 21:35.46 | tryagain | adding extras breaks dependency tree after apt-get update |
| 21:35.47 | bencoh | (and use apt pin-priority to install extras/extras-testing instead of -devel when available) |
| 21:36.29 | bencoh | add -testing and -devel as wel... but it shouldn't |
| 21:37.03 | bencoh | " package architecture (armel) does not match system (i386)" that's strange |
| 21:37.07 | tryagain | can you quote the proper strings to include to sources.list? |
| 21:37.40 | tryagain | package architecture is actually resolved after using proper login procedure... |
| 21:37.44 | bencoh | ah |
| 21:38.27 | bencoh | http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=d13d71bea this is what I use |
| 21:38.31 | tryagain | so currently i have lots of unmeet dependencies after i add needed repos |
| 21:38.49 | bencoh | drop the "community" lines as it shouldn't be in sb |
| 21:39.34 | bencoh | (I followed http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Manual_Installation to install sb, btw. I dont use the pre-packaged vm image) |
| 21:41.19 | bencoh | (the vm should still work though) |
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| 21:49.58 | tryagain | after patching sources.list and preferences i have a few warnings reported by apt-get update: http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=f35e52151 |
| 21:50.43 | tryagain | these are very like to what i after manually adding repositories before |
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| 21:53.05 | tryagain | and build fails: http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=f7c15052b |
| 21:53.51 | tryagain | i do not yet mind libfreetype6-navit-dev, but i expect others to be available |
| 21:56.26 | bencoh | what if you install those? |
| 21:56.37 | bencoh | (dpkg-buildpackage wont install it for you) |
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| 21:57.37 | tryagain | wait, it looks like now i have system in better condition. It seems to be just a bit broken because of forced libdevil-dev installation |
| 22:01.32 | tryagain | yeah, now i can apt-get these packages. I guess there was something wrong with my sources.list or missing /etc/apt/properties. |
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| 22:19.23 | tryagain | i'm a bit confused how to follow https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1025907 by editing sources.list. Which deb line sould i add to the file to connect to http://bokomoko.de/~rd/maemo/ "unstable" repository |
| 22:23.53 | freemangordon | tryagain: adding stuff to sources.list shouldn't break anything in SB |
| 22:24.14 | freemangordon | just don;t do apt-get upgrade, but install only those packages you need instead |
| 22:25.18 | freemangordon | oh, you've fixed it |
| 22:26.26 | tryagain | yeah, now i have advanced a few steps, now all dependencies are met (with packages from http://bokomoko.de/~rd/maemo/ downloaded manually) |
| 22:26.41 | tryagain | and the build goes on |
| 22:26.47 | freemangordon | great |
| 22:28.54 | freemangordon | otherwise, the line in sources.list should look like "deb http://bokomoko.de/~rd/maemo/ fremantle/sdk unstable" IMO |
| 22:29.12 | freemangordon | though not sure |
| 22:29.18 | freemangordon | oops |
| 22:29.27 | freemangordon | not fremantle/sdk ofc |
| 22:29.47 | freemangordon | that one: "deb http://bokomoko.de/~rd/maemo/ unstable" |
| 22:30.34 | tryagain | apt-get complains on wrong syntax... |
| 22:31.15 | freemangordon | oh, wait, maybe it should be "deb http://bokomoko.de/~rd maemo unstable" |
| 22:32.45 | tryagain | i think i have tried that too. But it's not of big concern to download two packages manually. |
| 22:42.02 | tryagain | ok, looks like the build now goes its way. I guess it would take quite a while under double emulation. Thank you bencoh and freemangordon. |
| 22:43.08 | bencoh | compilation isnt emulated :) |
| 22:43.57 | bencoh | it's a cross fcc |
| 22:43.59 | bencoh | gcc* |
| 22:44.13 | tryagain | ah, that's really great! Anyway, i do not expect it to finish very soon |
| 22:45.11 | tryagain | we use rsvg to convert lots of svgs to png, and i guess rsvg would be run under emulation. |
| 22:45.25 | freemangordon | try parallel=N in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS could speed it up, Also, make sure there is no "thumb" in that env var |
| 22:45.25 | bencoh | why do you need freetype from http://bokomoko.de/~rd/maemo/ ? |
| 22:46.43 | tryagain | it was said that freetype on maemo is broken (not includes upstream fix) and it causes navit to crash. |
| 22:47.11 | bencoh | are headers broken as well? |
| 22:47.29 | tryagain | i guess not. |
| 22:47.32 | freemangordon | maybe that one :) https://github.com/community-ssu/freetype/commit/6eb34943b87309a095cfe805c2a65768a35cca22 |
| 22:47.42 | bencoh | :-) |
| 22:48.28 | tryagain | ;) |
| 22:49.04 | freemangordon | tryagain: just make it depend on mp-fremantle-community-pr and you're good to go :) |
| 22:49.36 | tryagain | mp-what? :) |
| 22:49.49 | freemangordon | ~cssu |
| 22:49.49 | infobot | rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 22:50.06 | freemangordon | this is CSSU metapackage |
| 22:51.26 | freemangordon | tryagain: BTW I am missing the background on why you're trying to build navit in SB. Could you elaborate? As if you're going to put it in some repo, please consider building it also for cssu-thumb |
| 22:51.41 | tryagain | so if it's installed, i can expect that freetype is fixed? |
| 22:51.46 | freemangordon | yes |
| 22:52.32 | freemangordon | tryagain: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog , search for freetype |
| 22:52.49 | freemangordon | "21.2011.38-1Tmaemo2 (20.03.2012) " |
| 22:52.54 | bencoh | freemangordon: hmm.... mp-fremantle-community-pr doesn't exist on non-cssu devices |
| 22:52.58 | bencoh | so... what's the point? |
| 22:53.01 | freemangordon | I know |
| 22:53.07 | freemangordon | install CSSU :P |
| 22:53.15 | bencoh | -_- :] |
| 22:53.38 | bencoh | apt-get users will see a missing dep, but what about ham users? |
| 22:53.40 | freemangordon | anyway there are tons of other fixes |
| 22:53.57 | freemangordon | there will be "probles" page |
| 22:54.05 | freemangordon | *"Problems" |
| 22:54.05 | tryagain | mm... cssu-thumb? I'm completely new to maemo, do not have such a device. Just trying to keep navit available for maemo after we kill autotools support in favor of cmake. |
| 22:54.21 | freemangordon | ~cssu-thumb |
| 22:54.21 | infobot | cssu-thumb is probably <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb |
| 22:54.50 | freemangordon | tryagain: in short - gcc 4.7.2 and stable thumb2 |
| 22:54.51 | bencoh | tryagain: oh and... if possible, please upload navit to extras :) |
| 22:54.57 | bencoh | (as a source package) |
| 22:56.10 | freemangordon | hmm, wait, iirc there *is* cmake in maemo |
| 22:56.16 | bencoh | there is, yeah |
| 22:56.32 | bencoh | might need some adaptation though, because it's quite old |
| 22:56.45 | Vajb | Sicelo: today that pnatd trick for missing network worked. It was like i doubt. I did it wrong somehow at first. |
| 22:57.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | Humpelstilzchen: stryngs: the J-shaped steel is a spring helping to define end positions of stand |
| 22:57.03 | bencoh | didn't work with the project I wanted to build, last time I tried |
| 22:57.09 | tryagain | but currently debian recipe used to build navit is based on autotools |
| 22:57.26 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: bit the stand, but the camera cover |
| 22:57.30 | freemangordon | *not |
| 22:57.37 | tryagain | *navit for maemo |
| 22:57.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 22:57.46 | bencoh | tryagain: did you manage to build it with cmake (on your fremantle_x86 sb)? |
| 22:57.51 | freemangordon | checks again |
| 22:58.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | touch the J with finger, feel how it comes up and goes fown again when you move stand |
| 22:58.20 | tryagain | i'm now at the stage to reproduce it's build with autotools |
| 22:58.28 | bencoh | ah, ok |
| 22:58.33 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yep, my bad |
| 22:59.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's this spring that makes stand stay "open" |
| 22:59.12 | freemangordon | yeah, yeah |
| 22:59.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 23:01.38 | Pali | mxr.maemo.org is down? |
| 23:04.46 | freemangordon | Pali: since ling ago iirc |
| 23:04.50 | freemangordon | *long |
| 23:05.05 | Pali | we do not have backup? |
| 23:05.25 | freemangordon | no idea, but I guess no |
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| 23:05.36 | freemangordon | why do you need that? |
| 23:05.51 | Pali | just found links to that site |
| 23:05.55 | freemangordon | was there anything else but the kernel? |
| 23:06.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: ((pnatd trick) please you - or any other user who knows details - elaborate on the nature of the problem |
| 23:07.04 | freemangordon | wonders why there is not a single reply to an oops mail after 3 days |
| 23:07.04 | Pali | there were indexed all source packages from repository.maemo.org and maybe also from garage and maemo.gitorious.org |
| 23:07.13 | freemangordon | ah |
| 23:07.48 | freemangordon | well, better ask on admin channel, xes or warfare could have a clue |
| 23:08.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | mxr-maemo.org is a massive loss. Was extremely useful. Alas it been run by a "community member", not by Nokia |
| 23:08.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | so asking techstaff won't help |
| 23:09.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* it was either timeless or crashanddie who ran it |
| 23:12.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | not only the DNS A record vanished, I clearly recall the website/service itself been broken before that |
| 23:13.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | techstaff could create a new mxr on maemo infra, if we had the special flavor lxr 'scripts' to implement it |
| 23:14.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | mxr was somewhat patched version of lxr |
| 23:15.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | in a certain sense it been a community-driven service supported by Nokia just like internettablettalk/t.m.o |
| 23:15.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus it had a maemo.org subdomain |
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| 23:16.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I dunno if more than just kernel was indexed on mxr |
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| 23:17.00 | Pali | was, I remember |
| 23:17.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe kernel and the core fremantle apps which are not blobs. I don't think it indexed comlete garage/extras/whatever |
| 23:18.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then, maybe I simply never checked for such stuff on mxr |
| 23:18.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | without mxr, the H-E-N would prolly never have happened ;-) |
| 23:18.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | mad useful thing |
| 23:19.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: MXR was your project? |
| 23:20.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: if so, would you happen to still have the patched LXR sources needed to build it? |
| 23:21.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather, the maemo specific patches on top of http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxr/ |
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| 23:23.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: maybe there's a MXR garage project? |
| 23:23.14 | Pali | do not know |
| 23:23.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly best to wait until original MXR owner pops up here |
| 23:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd like to see MXR resurrected finally |
| 23:25.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | it already been flawed/broken before the big migration, and after that even the DNS got killed by Nokia |
| 23:25.16 | bencoh | there was definitely more than kernel references |
| 23:25.26 | bencoh | I remember reading hildon stuff there |
| 23:25.29 | bencoh | among other things |
| 23:25.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | all the better |
| 23:26.02 | bencoh | being able to run it on maemo.org infra would be cool |
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| 23:26.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm absolutely sure techstaff would be willing to provide a VM to set up MXR on it |
| 23:26.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | but we need a volunteer taking care about the actual implementation |
| 23:27.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe this would even be the reason to finally populate blade-C with CPU, RAM, and HDD |
| 23:28.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | would 'only' need a few 1000 Euros from the HF-treasures |
| 23:29.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pity to have two non-functional blades on this supermicro |
| 23:32.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Infrastructure#Operational_Platform |
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| 23:33.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007H29ECE?*Version*=1&*entries*=0 513USD |
| 23:34.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus some RAM plus (2?) HDD |
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| 23:52.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm sorry we need two CPUs per blade |
| 23:52.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.supermicro.nl/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9DRT-HF.cfm |
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